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  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,173


    Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    If the Tories weren’t concerned by the weekend polls, they really ought to start worrying now.

    The Oaf seems to have permanently broken the brand. Many, many people did try to warn them.
    I am perfectly content with Rishi and anyone thinking he would turn things round in a week and before the Autumn statement is wholly unrealistic

    I have been consistent is saying that next Spring will be the time to properly assess progress of the conservative party
    But are all Tories as patient as you? Recent history suggests not.
    I'd say that inflation level in the spring is the one to watch.
  • 🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    Daily express story of the likes of JRM and Jake Berry upset at being thrown onto the backbenches but without any evidence

    The evidence is that seemingly the whole of Whitehall is throwing political rocks at Rishi's pick for Home Secretary. Not off the record moans, demonstrable illegal actions and breaches of the ministerial code.

    You may have faith in Rishi but he appears to have spectacularly torpedoed himself here. I expect she will be gone by the weekend, he will recover as the new cycle moves on, but the sense of grotesque chaos at the heart of government just deepens.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    It is beginning to look like a trussterfuck all over again.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    edited October 2022

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    Oddly enough, Turks call turkeys 'Hindi' (or something like that), because they came from India...

    The origins of the Yanks eating them is something to do with the Pilgrim Fathers eating plump American fowl, which they named 'Turkey' as they looked similar to a type of guinea fowl they knew. When the birds were imported from Turkey, they became known as 'Turkey Fowl', and hence 'turkeys'. So they're not an American species, and in fact due to breeding the turkeys we eat now are probably fairly different to either the original American or Indian fowls...

    I think. It's complicated...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/why-americans-call-turkey-turkey/383225/
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I disagree

    I have cooked excellent Christmas turkeys, both fresh and frozen, and of course the demand is always largest at Christmas when it is seen as the traditional way of celebrating Christmas

    I do agree though it needs to be properly prepared and cooked
    It's an American import – goose is the traditional Christmas bird
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    Daily express story of the likes of JRM and Jake Berry upset at being thrown onto the backbenches but without any evidence

    The biggest risk for Sunak is that nonsense like this gets traction.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Traditional Blue Plaques in England are being replaced by brown ones and the politicians who caused this obscenity are being named and shamed!

    https://twitter.com/iblogtoglasgow/status/1587070366710730754?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    I don't really get why a Labour majority is so hard to envisage. The Conservatives will have been in power for over a decade at the next election. Their position in 2019 was flattered by the special circumstances of Brexit and Corbyn. Sunak is a much weaker candidate that 2019-era Johnson. The economic backdrop is very poor. Public services are in a bad state. Brexit - the Tories' sole "achievement" - is unpopular. And Labour has a solid and reassuring (if somewhat uninspiring) front bench team. These seem like the kind of circumstances that could produce a big enough swing for Labour to get a majority.
    I'm not saying it's nailed on, but surely it's not hard to see it happening?

    History suggests it is very difficult to make a net gain of at least 123 seats.

    Corbyn's toxic legacy really has screwed Labour.


    Surely the 1945 result could not have come as a shock to anyone? During campaign they must have picked up on it’s a disaster out there. To have a result that size many voters must have shifted long in advance, and that couldn’t have gone unnoticed either?
    You'd be amazed how many GE results are unexpected: 1992, 2010, 2015, 2017 frinstance which should ve gone lab, con, nom, con lansdslide.. Also, other things on their mind than polling in 1945. I believe that certainly Churchill was pretty flabberghasted.
    Yes, his ghast was well flabbered.

    So was my Dad's.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Better to have such a bird than no bird at all. Needs must and all that.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    Yawn... there'll always be a few discontents.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    We have often had duck for Christmas dinner. A good size when there are only two people eating.

    This year I guess I'll be restricted to salmon unless I break my own rules for a day.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    EXCL: Rishi Sunak planning to scrap target to cut 91,000 civil service jobs and resume 'fast stream' recruitment stream - by @rowenamason et al
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/31/ministers-scrap-target-cutting-91000-civil-service-jobs?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    Do you not have a weekly turkey twizzler night? I thought all right-thinking folk did!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I wish my family were big red meat lovers, but only Dad and me are so we always end up Turkeyed.
    I'm staying at his and doing partridges (bird flu allowing) and game chips xmas eve and a fillet of beef for boxing day with extra fattening homemade dauphinoise.
    That's a great couple of menus right there – sounds delicious.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    Used to be goose for those who could afford it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Ishmael_Z said:

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    It is beginning to look like a trussterfuck all over again.
    He's got 12 months unless these rebels can muster well over 100 letters. No way is Brady allowing another leadership election so soon unless he has no choice.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Yesterday's topic was defections. I wasn't expecting that one! Understandable nonetheless.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Russians fired at civilian tugboats transporting a barge with grain near Ochakiv, the Operational Command “South” reported. Two crew members were killed, and one with injuries was rescued. The fate of another one is not yet known.

    https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1587116305789984771
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I wish my family were big red meat lovers, but only Dad and me are so we always end up Turkeyed.
    I'm staying at his and doing partridges (bird flu allowing) and game chips xmas eve and a fillet of beef for boxing day with extra fattening homemade dauphinoise.
    That's a great couple of menus right there – sounds delicious.
    I like to cook, my mums influence
  • Has Sunak gone in having received a confidential security briefing sent to him in error from leakysue@gmail.com?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Ishmael_Z said:

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    It is beginning to look like a trussterfuck all over again.
    He's got 12 months unless these rebels can muster well over 100 letters. No way is Brady allowing another leadership election so soon unless he has no choice.
    If Sunak goes who on earth can Brady turn to?

  • Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I disagree

    I have cooked excellent Christmas turkeys, both fresh and frozen, and of course the demand is always largest at Christmas when it is seen as the traditional way of celebrating Christmas

    I do agree though it needs to be properly prepared and cooked
    It's an American import – goose is the traditional Christmas bird
    Americans do NOT as a rule insist on turkey for Christmas dinner, though it's an option.

    Instead, turkey is quintessentially a Thanksgiving thing. One reason why it's NOT on the menu in many US households for Christmas.

    My initial surmise, is that Brits have tendency to cook turkey the way they make (or at least used to) coffee - badly.

  • Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    If the Tories weren’t concerned by the weekend polls, they really ought to start worrying now.

    The Oaf seems to have permanently broken the brand. Many, many people did try to warn them.
    I am perfectly content with Rishi and anyone thinking he would turn things round in a week and before the Autumn statement is wholly unrealistic

    I have been consistent is saying that next Spring will be the time to properly assess progress of the conservative party
    But are all Tories as patient as you? Recent history suggests not.
    I do not think they have any choice and Rishi is their best chance to mitigate the defeat in 24 if indeed he can conjure a small majority
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    eek said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    It is beginning to look like a trussterfuck all over again.
    He's got 12 months unless these rebels can muster well over 100 letters. No way is Brady allowing another leadership election so soon unless he has no choice.
    If Sunak goes who on earth can Brady turn to?

    The story doesn't even deserve engaging with hypothetically - a few unreconcilables mouthing off anonymously to, of all places, the Daily Express? Come on.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Driver said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I wish my family were big red meat lovers, but only Dad and me are so we always end up Turkeyed.
    I'm staying at his and doing partridges (bird flu allowing) and game chips xmas eve and a fillet of beef for boxing day with extra fattening homemade dauphinoise.
    I really don't understand turkey, other than it being the done thing.

    If you want fowl, have chicken. Or goose. Both are far superior meats.
    I cooked a herb-fed 'rooster' last year (effectively a large organic chicken). Highly recommended. It was a 10lb bird and could feed the five thousand, was far superior to turkey and much more fun to cook.

    As you say, why anyone persists with a poor meat that isn't even traditional is beyond me.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I disagree

    I have cooked excellent Christmas turkeys, both fresh and frozen, and of course the demand is always largest at Christmas when it is seen as the traditional way of celebrating Christmas

    I do agree though it needs to be properly prepared and cooked
    It's an American import – goose is the traditional Christmas bird
    Americans do NOT as a rule insist on turkey for Christmas dinner, though it's an option.

    Instead, turkey is quintessentially a Thanksgiving thing. One reason why it's NOT on the menu in many US households for Christmas.

    My initial surmise, is that Brits have tendency to cook turkey the way they make (or at least used to) coffee - badly.
    No, instant turkey is not yet a thing.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    Nobody in our house particularly likes the traditional Christmas meal so we have a full-on Sri Lankan rice and curry feast on Christmas Day instead.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Govt calls reporter liar:

    EXCL: Further delay to long-promised conversion therapy ban, as Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch insists on reviewing work of her predecessor.

    I understand plan had been for a Joint Committee of MPs and Lords to expedite a ban. Now that's up in the air.


    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1587077362075721728

    This reporting is untrue. No policy decisions or requests were made as we waited for the new ministerial team to be announced, which only concluded at the weekend.

    When decisions are made, they will be announced on http://gov.uk.


    https://twitter.com/GEOgovuk/status/1587097743750844427

    The issue AIUI is that a blanket "conversion ban" would stop discussion with patients presenting with claimed gender dysphoria exploring other underlying conditions that may be the root cause. As the interim Cass review pointed out, and the new NHS England proposed guidelines suggest.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    I have the opposite problem to OGH. I am struggling to see how Labour will NOT have a majority. The present isn't a guide to the future but on present numbers Starmer's majority would be whopping. Add in likely tactical voting that will benefit Labour a lot more than the Lib Dems and the majority becomes even whoppier.

    So we look at ways that Sunak might turn things round. Steady the ship = Yes - that should help narrow the gap to end-of-Johnson numbers without eliminating Starmer's majority. Can Sunak do a fourth re-launch of the Tory Party to say, we are no longer the party of Cameron, May, Johnson or Truss? That's a lot of people for Sunak not to be like, when he has Johnson's people, Truss' ideology and Cameron's slickness.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    If they were that little he could just stomp on them. The problem is they are the size of the Honey Monster, but not remotely cuddly.
    It's Francois of course, so perhaps a bit tall.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    I would like to know how all the "Elon Musk is a genius" people feel now? I mean, not only is his personal genius in question based on his posting, but it is clear to all and sundry that Twitter is going to be an albatross across his neck - that he cannot run it as a business and also keep to the ideals he claims to believe in that got him his online groupies. Reports like this alone make it clear that he doesn't have a handle on this - as a political actor or a business man:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-takeover-sparked-n-word-use-jump-2022-10?r=US&IR=T
  • Penddu2 said:

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    And the BBC reporters will struggle calling it Simroo or Kumruh....while expertly pronouncing some Bosnian village with 17 syllables...
    Courtesy of the Welsh diaspora there's a metro station in Philadelphia by the name of Cynwyd. The locals pronounce it Sinood.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Hunt to be PM by Christmas?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    edited October 2022

    Driver said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_dinner#:~:text=The turkey appeared on Christmas,served at English Christmas dinners.

    Before that, mostly goose, I believe.
    Get back to goose guys. *Much* better-tasting.

    I’m on ma tod this Christmas, so for like the first time ever, I can eat what the hell I like. It’ll definitely not be American turkey, not Swedish ham. Maybe steak pie? Lamb? Duck? I’ll have to have a wee think.
    Steak and kidney pie with puff pastry, perhaps. Thouhg a pie for one is a bit pastry heavy, and there is always the next day question if you don't eat it all. Lamb - you can have stovies and beetroot with cold lamb on the 26th and curry on the 27th

    Edit: almopst forgotten this. But will it ever be as good as Mum's? Best try one ahead of time.

    [google shopping for clootie dumpling]
  • Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I disagree

    I have cooked excellent Christmas turkeys, both fresh and frozen, and of course the demand is always largest at Christmas when it is seen as the traditional way of celebrating Christmas

    I do agree though it needs to be properly prepared and cooked
    It's an American import – goose is the traditional Christmas bird
    It is traditional and raised in the UK by British farmers

    Goose is very greasy and not to everyone taste but as in all things the choice is yours
  • Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Rishi Sunak planning to scrap target to cut 91,000 civil service jobs and resume 'fast stream' recruitment stream - by @rowenamason et al
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/31/ministers-scrap-target-cutting-91000-civil-service-jobs?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    again the easy option for now - not solving anything- Sunak so afraid of his own shadow
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Nigelb said:

    🇷🇺 MoD just released this picture of Oleksandr Volodymyrovyč Ševčenko, commander of the 35th Marine Infantry Brigade who organised the attack on the Black Sea Fleet on the 29th October.

    https://twitter.com/BaghdadLavrov/status/1586773097922936832

    Brilliant
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    FF43 said:

    So we look at ways that Sunak might turn things round.

    He has appointed too many Truss cabinet retreads to be offering a fresh start
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    edited October 2022
    I'm probably late to this, but I've only just got round to reading Braverman's letter to the Home Affairs Select Committee:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/letter-to-hasc-from-home-secretary
    It's well worth a read. Why, you ask? Well, because it's the biggest load of self-serving, semi-literate piffle that I've read in some time. Evasions or lies seep out of nearly every sentence. And, even if you accept her account, it shows she's not fit for office.

    Any Civil Servant acting like this in my days would have been out on their ear by now for gross misconduct. Is it different for Ministers? Have standards slipped since BJ was PM, perchance?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    LATEST A gloomy Tory MP - who is a member of the ERG and good friend of the Home secretary - says No 10 has hung out Suella Braverman to dry over 'emailgate'.
    He tells me: "We have been f***ed. No 10 wanted to say 'we have put our arm around her but can't save her'."

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1587122675864027136
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I disagree

    I have cooked excellent Christmas turkeys, both fresh and frozen, and of course the demand is always largest at Christmas when it is seen as the traditional way of celebrating Christmas

    I do agree though it needs to be properly prepared and cooked
    It's an American import – goose is the traditional Christmas bird
    It is traditional and raised in the UK by British farmers

    Goose is very greasy and not to everyone taste but as in all things the choice is yours
    The meat is not greasy at all. The bird kicks out lots of fat when being cooked but that's a different thing. And as any fule kno the fat is great for roasting potatoes, so a beneficial byproduct.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_dinner#:~:text=The turkey appeared on Christmas,served at English Christmas dinners.

    Before that, mostly goose, I believe.
    Get back to goose guys. *Much* better-tasting.

    I’m on ma tod this Christmas, so for like the first time ever, I can eat what the hell I like. It’ll definitely not be American turkey, not Swedish ham. Maybe steak pie? Lamb? Duck? I’ll have to have a wee think.
    Steak and kidney pie with puff pastry, perhaps. Thouhg a pie for one is a bit pastry heavy, and there is always the next day question if you don't eat it all. Lamb - you can have stovies and beetroot with cold lamb on the 26th and curry on the 27th

    Edit: almopst forgotten this. But will it ever be as good as Mum's? Best try one ahead of time.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=clootie+dumpling&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiojLGz9Ir7AhUQiVwKHbNvAMsQ_AUoAnoECAIQBA&biw=1452&bih=824&dpr=1.09
    Steak and kidney pudding, hearty and retains that traditional Christmas long steaming. Either with a full pudding case or topped with a suet dumpling 'bung' and steamed. Yum.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    The weird thing is not just that people went out of their way to invent a story about Pelosi's husband having a gay lover, but why they would think it's relevant - if it had been true - to an attempted assassination of the Speaker of the House.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Has Sunak gone in having received a confidential security briefing sent to him in error from leakysue@gmail.com?

    He's being offered Home Secretary.

    "Go on then, you do the job, Mr Gobby!"
  • 🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    Daily express story of the likes of JRM and Jake Berry upset at being thrown onto the backbenches but without any evidence

    The evidence is that seemingly the whole of Whitehall is throwing political rocks at Rishi's pick for Home Secretary. Not off the record moans, demonstrable illegal actions and breaches of the ministerial code.

    You may have faith in Rishi but he appears to have spectacularly torpedoed himself here. I expect she will be gone by the weekend, he will recover as the new cycle moves on, but the sense of grotesque chaos at the heart of government just deepens.
    I doubt she will last and she is simply not fit for purpose

    Her position in the cabinet ensured Johnson was gone and for me that is the only plus
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    ....
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383

    Hunt to be PM by Christmas?

    No. Boxing Day Hunt. More apt.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    ....
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST A gloomy Tory MP - who is a member of the ERG and good friend of the Home secretary - says No 10 has hung out Suella Braverman to dry over 'emailgate'.
    He tells me: "We have been f***ed. No 10 wanted to say 'we have put our arm around her but can't save her'."

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1587122675864027136

    Shes done the damage herself. what a wally
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/2/

    Scottish Social Attitudes Siurvey now out. Have to go and do sorting out, but it may be of interest to some of us.

    Following on from yesterday's discussion of Scottish education:

    Public priorities for government action also differed by party identity, views on how Scotland should be governed, and attitudes towards Britain's relationship with the EU. Conservative supporters (36%) were more likely than SNP supporters (16%) and Scottish Green party supporters (5%) to prioritise improving the standard of education in Scotland.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/5/

    The first step in solving a problem is recognising you have one.
    We know our problems well, Tories and Westminster. Bring out the tumbrils.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
    Met Office 3 month forecast slightly greater than normal chance for a cold winter.
    Marvellous.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Driver said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_dinner#:~:text=The turkey appeared on Christmas,served at English Christmas dinners.

    Before that, mostly goose, I believe.
    Get back to goose guys. *Much* better-tasting.

    I’m on ma tod this Christmas, so for like the first time ever, I can eat what the hell I like. It’ll definitely not be American turkey, not Swedish ham. Maybe steak pie? Lamb? Duck? I’ll have to have a wee think.
    Come on Stuart, Steak pie is Ne'erday
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited October 2022
    148grss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    I would like to know how all the "Elon Musk is a genius" people feel now? I mean, not only is his personal genius in question based on his posting, but it is clear to all and sundry that Twitter is going to be an albatross across his neck - that he cannot run it as a business and also keep to the ideals he claims to believe in that got him his online groupies. Reports like this alone make it clear that he doesn't have a handle on this - as a political actor or a business man:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-takeover-sparked-n-word-use-jump-2022-10?r=US&IR=T
    Elon Musk has repeatedly affirmed my long standing assessment of him being a complete arsehole. But to be fair to him, he is a genius at what he does, which is to combine superb delivery of complex projects with lashings of hype.

    A sort of Napoleon of Business
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    malcolmg said:

    Come on Stuart, Steak pie is Ne'erday

    Only in Scotland.

    Not in Sweden apparently...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    Each to their own , whilst a rib of beef is splendid so is Turkey.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    malcolmg said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    Each to their own , whilst a rib of beef is splendid so is Turkey.
    Each to their own?

    How very woke of you.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The @EHRC recommended a pause on a legislative ban on trans conversion therapy because consultation proposals didn’t define what it is & because of fears it could negatively impact the healthcare of children with gender dysphoria by having a chilling impact on explorative therapy..

    So it’s really disappointing to see this from
    @UKLabour. The healthcare of children with gender dysphoria continues to be a political football with some politicians placing scoring points with campaigners over evidence & expert input.


    https://twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1587121480164413442
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Met Office 3 month forecast slightly greater than normal chance for a cold winter.
    Marvellous.

    See also chocolate teapots for sale. I'm amazed the Met even bother with these.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Holy fuck. Ukraine War Video report on Reddit is a tough watch today even if you've got a brass ringpiece. Don't visit the sub while eating.
  • Met Office 3 month forecast slightly greater than normal chance for a cold winter.
    Marvellous.

    No-one ever complains when it turns out better than expected.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Labour leads by 23%.

    Westminster Voting Intention (30 October):

    Labour 50% (-5)
    Conservative 27% (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (–)
    Green 5% (–)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Reform UK 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 25-26 October

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-30-october-2022 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1587127269138477058/photo/1
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
    Redfield moves generally into line with the others
    Labour leads by 23%.

    Westminster Voting Intention (30 October):

    Labour 50% (-5)
    Conservative 27% (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (–)
    Green 5% (–)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Reform UK 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 25-26 October

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    A really top quality turkey can be nice. But most are foul. Ha!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 23%.

    Westminster Voting Intention (30 October):

    Labour 50% (-5)
    Conservative 27% (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (–)
    Green 5% (–)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Reform UK 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 25-26 October

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-30-october-2022 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1587127269138477058/photo/1

    Labour sliding into oblivion.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Sunak 41 37 Starmer on best PM
    Sunsk plus 10, Starmer plus 8 approvals
  • Interesting from Redfield Wilton poll

    Rishi Sunak (41%, +2) leads Keir Starmer (37%, -1) by four points on who would be the better Prime Minister at this moment.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    EXC Suella Braverman facing further questions about her judgement - her officials demanded a 120-year-old magazine for solicitors remove a comment piece because they did not like what it said.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-law-gazette-opinion-b2214481.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Interesting from Redfield Wilton poll

    Rishi Sunak (41%, +2) leads Keir Starmer (37%, -1) by four points on who would be the better Prime Minister at this moment.

    This probably means the Tories will be in the 30s in most opinion polls pretty soon.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160

    rcs1000 said:

    QTWTIAIYBOALY

    Question to which the answer is yes but only a...

    little yacht? Is this a low-cost ruse to keep the Telegraph on board?
    Little yes.

    As in, it's a low probability event.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I wish my family were big red meat lovers, but only Dad and me are so we always end up Turkeyed.
    I'm staying at his and doing partridges (bird flu allowing) and game chips xmas eve and a fillet of beef for boxing day with extra fattening homemade dauphinoise.
    That's a great couple of menus right there – sounds delicious.
    Has to be Turkey for me , prawn cocktail for starter and trifle for dessert, cannot be anything else. Ne'erday is steak pie made the proper way with steak and sausages.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

  • novanova Posts: 692
    FF43 said:

    I have the opposite problem to OGH. I am struggling to see how Labour will NOT have a majority. The present isn't a guide to the future but on present numbers Starmer's majority would be whopping. Add in likely tactical voting that will benefit Labour a lot more than the Lib Dems and the majority becomes even whoppier.

    So we look at ways that Sunak might turn things round. Steady the ship = Yes - that should help narrow the gap to end-of-Johnson numbers without eliminating Starmer's majority. Can Sunak do a fourth re-launch of the Tory Party to say, we are no longer the party of Cameron, May, Johnson or Truss? That's a lot of people for Sunak not to be like, when he has Johnson's people, Truss' ideology and Cameron's slickness.

    If polling returns to "end of Johnson" numbers, and that's quite likely to be a few % out on the day, then we get single figures Labour over Tory. At the next election Labour may need close to double figures for a majority, so it's tricky.

    Bear in mind that even the big landslides we've had, haven't been huge leads. Blair was 13% ahead even with huge poll leads for years before the election.

    One factor may be that Starmer is friendly to a lot of Lib Dem voters so we may see a lot more tactical voting, but current polling doesn't guarantee a Labour majority.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited October 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting from Redfield Wilton poll

    Rishi Sunak (41%, +2) leads Keir Starmer (37%, -1) by four points on who would be the better Prime Minister at this moment.

    This probably means the Tories will be in the 30s in most opinion polls pretty soon.
    The Autumn statement will be the key

    However, those suggesting Rishi is in decline are not in line with the polling which shows steady positive progress
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    HOW MUCH IS A GALLON OF MILK!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Truss effect unwind......
    The Government’s net competency rating stands at -34% this week, up 30 points from last Sunday. Altogether, 15% find the Government competent (+7), and 49% find the Government incompetent (-23).
    Still dire but Boris dire not Liz dire
  • Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Welcome back
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Welcome back
    Did I ever really go away….?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Sunak 41 37 Starmer on best PM
    Sunsk plus 10, Starmer plus 8 approvals

    Are there gross figures or just net?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,792

    Driver said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_dinner#:~:text=The turkey appeared on Christmas,served at English Christmas dinners.

    Before that, mostly goose, I believe.
    Get back to goose guys. *Much* better-tasting.

    I’m on ma tod this Christmas, so for like the first time ever, I can eat what the hell I like. It’ll definitely not be American turkey, not Swedish ham. Maybe steak pie? Lamb? Duck? I’ll have to have a wee think.
    Extra-luxurious (read - fatty, possibly even minced lamb) lasagne is calling me this Xmas. Nice the day after hot or cold too - or easy to freeze if you're still in a coma from the night before.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2022
    Sunak and the tories heading in the right direction.

    Still, a very long way to go before depriving labour of a majority.

    We’ll see how the dust settles after the Autumn statement.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
    Well that’s where you’re wrong
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
    It's up to them to judge who they consider an asset to their site, is it not?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Driver said:

    Sunak 41 37 Starmer on best PM
    Sunsk plus 10, Starmer plus 8 approvals

    Are there gross figures or just net?

    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak receives a net approval rating of +10%, up 8 points from our poll last Thursday. Yesterday’s poll finds 29% approving of his overall job performance (+2), against 19% disapproving (-6). 

    Among 2019 Conservative voters, 44% (+2) approve of Rishi Sunak’s job performance as Prime Minister. Only 10% (-5) disapprove. His net approval rating with 2019 Conservative voters stands at +34%, up seven points since Thursday’s poll.

    Labour leader Keir Starmer’s net approval rating stands at +8%, down five points from Thursday last week. 35% approve of Starmer’s job performance (-3), while 27% disapprove (+2).

  • I'll be leaving the site again until Leon is banned. Goodbye.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    Scott_xP said:

    EXC Suella Braverman facing further questions about her judgement - her officials demanded a 120-year-old magazine for solicitors remove a comment piece because they did not like what it said.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-law-gazette-opinion-b2214481.html

    She wanted a comment published in 1902 to be removed?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Driver said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
    It's up to them to judge who they consider an asset to their site, is it not?
    I'm not denying that. I'm asking for an explanation as to their rationale.
  • ping said:

    Sunak and the tories heading in the right direction.

    Still, a very long way to go before depriving labour of a majority.

    There is a long way to go but Rishi has made a positive start and is anyone really confident Starmer has sealed the deal with the public
  • SeanT said:

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Welcome back
    Did I ever really go away….?
    You responded to a Leon post as Sean T. Now reply as the others - Eadric, LadyG etc - and we will find out...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    SeanT said:

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Welcome back
    Did I ever really go away….?
    Whoops!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    I'll be leaving the site again until Leon is banned. Goodbye.

    Your antipathy genuinely mystifies me - tho I confess it does not distress me - because I am consistently quite pleasant to you. Apart from one occasion when I might have teased you with an AI photo of what I claimed you looked like. It was a joke

    And this despite you hurling out fairly continuous abuse to disparate commenters, often for no reason at all, as far as I can see

    So why not hang around, and I will continue to be consistently quite emollient to you
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Cruella on her feet in the House

    Big show of support from Tory MPs and cabinet members
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    They’re BACK


    “EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11373603/New-classified-report-congress-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-properly-explained.html

    Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
    Well that’s where you’re wrong
    Ah well. The pics you crib off other people's IG accounts are nice though.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    I'll be leaving the site again until Leon is banned. Goodbye.

    You could just ignore him. Plenty other posters posting good stuff.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293

    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    HOW MUCH IS A GALLON OF MILK!
    Chris Chope probably sent his letter in the minute Rishi was shaking hands with the King at Buckingham Palace.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    I'll be leaving the site again until Leon is banned. Goodbye.

    You could just ignore him. Plenty other posters posting good stuff.
    I for one promise to make an utter arse of myself regularly to keep spirits up
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    Leon said:

    I'll be leaving the site again until Leon is banned. Goodbye.

    Your antipathy genuinely mystifies me - tho I confess it does not distress me - because I am consistently quite pleasant to you. Apart from one occasion when I might have teased you with an AI photo of what I claimed you looked like. It was a joke

    And this despite you hurling out fairly continuous abuse to disparate commenters, often for no reason at all, as far as I can see

    So why not hang around, and I will continue to be consistently quite emollient to you
    Regardless, I'm sure you're as mystified as I am that anybody posting on here gives a flying fuck what you think of them or their views. Weird.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Driver said:

    Sunak 41 37 Starmer on best PM
    Sunsk plus 10, Starmer plus 8 approvals

    Are there gross figures or just net?

    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak receives a net approval rating of +10%, up 8 points from our poll last Thursday. Yesterday’s poll finds 29% approving of his overall job performance (+2), against 19% disapproving (-6). 

    Among 2019 Conservative voters, 44% (+2) approve of Rishi Sunak’s job performance as Prime Minister. Only 10% (-5) disapprove. His net approval rating with 2019 Conservative voters stands at +34%, up seven points since Thursday’s poll.

    Labour leader Keir Starmer’s net approval rating stands at +8%, down five points from Thursday last week. 35% approve of Starmer’s job performance (-3), while 27% disapprove (+2).

    Still only a minority with an opinion on Sunak, then.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 23%.

    Westminster Voting Intention (30 October):

    Labour 50% (-5)
    Conservative 27% (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (–)
    Green 5% (–)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Reform UK 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 25-26 October

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-30-october-2022 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1587127269138477058/photo/1

    Labour sliding into oblivion.
    Give it two years.....
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