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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited October 2022

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    Is their claim true that Welsh people generally call the country by its Welsh name? I assume that only Welsh-speaking Welsh people call it by its Welsh name, which is rather a different thing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    Nah, time for a simpering wet like Priti to come back
  • novanova Posts: 692

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Given that so many of the sources are apparently MPs, I wonder if it's infighting, or if it's Sunak's side, knowing she'd go for the email stuff eventually, looking for a reason to sack her without u-turning?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited October 2022
    Rishi seems to have very poor judgement.

    No doubt he is very smart, slick, hard working, clean living and so on.

    But he seems to pick dud after dud:

    Brexit, Johnson, the Great Barrington Declaration, tax rises on workers, freeports, Braverman.

    Is his wife still a non-dom?

    Plus, a man whose only cultural reference point is “Star Wars” has no business being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    You think Shappsie is a "current and former senior govt source" who had unlimited access to the relevant papers during his week as HS?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited October 2022
    nova said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Given that so many of the sources are apparently MPs, I wonder if it's infighting, or if it's Sunak's side, knowing she'd go for the email stuff eventually, looking for a reason to sack her without u-turning?
    It’s either Sunak or friends of Liz.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited October 2022
    For those of you (see below) who go on about precedence I'd love to know what period in a Government's term has compared to this since 1945?

    The answer is not only, nothing compares. It would be like putting a single grain of sand alongside the Saharan desert.

    This has been, by a thousand fold, the single most unprecedented period of office of our lifetimes. Short of a nuke attack, you name it we've had it. From sleaze to a pandemic, from austerity to lockdown, from war in Europe to the death of the Queen, from a clownery budget to the trashing of the economy, from Brexit woes to corrupt PM's ... it goes on and on and on.

    And we'll be heading into the next election in an economic and fiscal crisis.

    The only question left now is the size of Labour's outright majority and whether the Conservatives can retain any MPs in Parliament, and if they do, how many. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in an alternate universe I'm afraid.
  • novanova Posts: 692

    Rishi seems to have very poor judgement.

    No doubt he is very smart, slick, hard working, clean living and so on.

    But he seems to pick dud after dud:

    Brexit, Johnson, the Great Barrington Declaration, tax rises on workers, freeports, Braverman.

    Is his wife still a non-dom?

    Plus, a man whose only cultural reference point is “Star Wars” has no business being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Not just Star Wars - a fan of all things Coca-Cola too (or a coke addict in his words)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_fXajyzek
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    Is their claim true that Welsh people generally call the country by its Welsh name? I assume that only Welsh-speaking Welsh people call it by its Welsh name, which is rather a different thing.
    Aren't they always saying Cymru am byth? in internationals?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    nova said:

    Rishi seems to have very poor judgement.

    No doubt he is very smart, slick, hard working, clean living and so on.

    But he seems to pick dud after dud:

    Brexit, Johnson, the Great Barrington Declaration, tax rises on workers, freeports, Braverman.

    Is his wife still a non-dom?

    Plus, a man whose only cultural reference point is “Star Wars” has no business being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Not just Star Wars - a fan of all things Coca-Cola too (or a coke addict in his words)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_fXajyzek
    It’s depressing.
    He has the hinterland of a teenage boy.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Rishi seems to have very poor judgement.

    No doubt he is very smart, slick, hard working, clean living and so on.

    But he seems to pick dud after dud:

    Brexit, Johnson, the Great Barrington Declaration, tax rises on workers, freeports, Braverman.

    Is his wife still a non-dom?

    Plus, a man whose only cultural reference point is “Star Wars” has no business being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    No, they folded on the non dommery.

    What's the Star Wars point?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Rishi seems to have very poor judgement.

    No doubt he is very smart, slick, hard working, clean living and so on.

    But he seems to pick dud after dud:

    Brexit, Johnson, the Great Barrington Declaration, tax rises on workers, freeports, Braverman.

    Is his wife still a non-dom?

    Plus, a man whose only cultural reference point is “Star Wars” has no business being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    No, they folded on the non dommery.

    What's the Star Wars point?
    It’s gash.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Heathener said:

    So I see that the dirty sleazy tory stories are bubbling up again. Sunak's honeymoon didn't last long, did it? This is like 1992-97 multipled 1000x with a crippling economy.

    You just watch his personal ratings slide over the next 12 months. This was peak Rishi.

    It will be a shellacking next election.

    Woah. You are too presumptuous a found out and busted flush Sunak leads them into that election.

    Anything more like his green card and financeial affairs, and he’ll be gone and Penny Mordant leads the Tories into the election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/rishi-sunaks-hopes-of-becoming-prime-minister-are-over-say-top-tories
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Good deal for Brittania Hotels isn't it ?

    Tenancy & taxpayer payment enforced by the whole collection of vested interests.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Heathener said:

    So I see that the dirty sleazy tory stories are bubbling up again. Sunak's honeymoon didn't last long, did it? This is like 1992-97 multipled 1000x with a crippling economy.

    You just watch his personal ratings slide over the next 12 months. This was peak Rishi.

    It will be a shellacking next election.

    Woah. You are too presumptuous a found out and busted flush Sunak leads them into that election.

    Anything more like his green card and financeial affairs, and he’ll be gone and Penny Mordant leads the Tories into the election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/rishi-sunaks-hopes-of-becoming-prime-minister-are-over-say-top-tories
    Pity my tortoise died some years back. He could have doubled the number of Tory PMs he'd eaten lettuce under.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Heathener said:

    For those of you (see below) who go on about precedence I'd love to know what period in a Government's term has compared to this since 1945?

    The answer is not only, nothing compares. It would be like putting a single grain of sand alongside the Saharan desert.

    This has been, by a thousand fold, the single most unprecedented period of office of our lifetimes. Short of a nuke attack, you name it we've had it. From sleaze to a pandemic, from austerity to lockdown, from war in Europe to the death of the Queen, from a clownery budget to the trashing of the economy, from Brexit woes to corrupt PM's ... it goes on and on and on.

    And we'll be heading into the next election in an economic and fiscal crisis.

    The only question left now is the size of Labour's outright majority and whether the Conservatives can retain any MPs in Parliament, and if they do, how many. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in an alternate universe I'm afraid.

    Precedent. Precedence is whether the archb of C or the Lord Chancellor gets to break wind first in the presence of HMK.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    I'm not buying the idea that Braverman was cynically chosen to act as a lightning rod.

    Much more likely that it was just a bad choice. Even if the lightning rod theory were true it's a massive own goal; above all else Sunak needs to project competence and stability; immediately embroiling in what looks like an avoidable problem - alongside the leaks, which should still be resignation-worthy - could well dampen or arrest any polling bounce (I still think there'll be a bounce though).

    Seems nonsense. whereas her being the price of ERG support seems entirely possible.
    Yeah, it is totally feasible. Still stupid though. The ERG will never be happy, ever. Reminds me of Jessica Mitford on her father, a prototypical ERGer:

    "Lord Redesdale wouldn't receive any 'outsiders' such as 'Huns', 'Frogs', Americans, Africans and any other 'foreigners', which included other people's children, most friends of the girls and almost all young men. An exception was made for some (but by no means all) relatives and some choice red-faced and tweed-clad neighbours."
    Hmm, haven't read the novel, but was Redesdale, erm, seated in Redesdale? It's a pretty isolated place, unless you are a forester, squaddy or Roman archaeologist, or just passing over Carter Bar.
    Lived in the Cotswolds, I think.
    Thank you! I was wondering if there was any significance.
    The Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex and the Earl of Leicester lives in Norfolk.

    Go figure.
    The Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire.

    I wonder how these various gentry would like to be repatriated?

    I reckon the Earl would put up the biggest fight!!
    Careful. He is a man of great ability in the tradition of Ben Wallace and IDS as a former Jock Guard.
    Short, bald and thick, with ... leadership... qualities ?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Pulpstar said:

    Good deal for Brittania Hotels isn't it ?

    Tenancy & taxpayer payment enforced by the whole collection of vested interests.

    So that’s where Britannia Hotels pitch their offer.

    Figures.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No - it has to be #BringBackPriti
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Carnyx said:

    Heathener said:

    So I see that the dirty sleazy tory stories are bubbling up again. Sunak's honeymoon didn't last long, did it? This is like 1992-97 multipled 1000x with a crippling economy.

    You just watch his personal ratings slide over the next 12 months. This was peak Rishi.

    It will be a shellacking next election.

    Woah. You are too presumptuous a found out and busted flush Sunak leads them into that election.

    Anything more like his green card and financeial affairs, and he’ll be gone and Penny Mordant leads the Tories into the election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/rishi-sunaks-hopes-of-becoming-prime-minister-are-over-say-top-tories
    Pity my tortoise died some years back. He could have doubled the number of Tory PMs he'd eaten lettuce under.
    I am off to Galapagos early 2024. Thinking of picking up a young tortoise to see if it is true that they live to 150.
  • nova said:

    Rishi seems to have very poor judgement.

    No doubt he is very smart, slick, hard working, clean living and so on.

    But he seems to pick dud after dud:

    Brexit, Johnson, the Great Barrington Declaration, tax rises on workers, freeports, Braverman.

    Is his wife still a non-dom?

    Plus, a man whose only cultural reference point is “Star Wars” has no business being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Not just Star Wars - a fan of all things Coca-Cola too (or a coke addict in his words)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_fXajyzek
    It’s depressing.
    He has the hinterland of a teenage boy.
    In political terms, he is a teenage boy. Bright, and with potential.

    But in the biggest chair far too young.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Pulpstar said:

    Good deal for Brittania Hotels isn't it ?

    Tenancy & taxpayer payment enforced by the whole collection of vested interests.

    *rings a bell*

    Yes, more expensive than a Premier Inn, and Which not at all impressed about the guest experience (admittedly without Home Office sponsorship).

    https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/best-hotels-in-uk-a5wfF4u4Utnk

    Though it's possibly unfair to go back two years to see the germ warfare type trials there

    https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/britannia-rated-uks-worst-hotel-chain-for-eighth-year-running-alRs48q45Vkw

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Heathener said:

    For those of you (see below) who go on about precedence I'd love to know what period in a Government's term has compared to this since 1945?

    The answer is not only, nothing compares. It would be like putting a single grain of sand alongside the Saharan desert.

    This has been, by a thousand fold, the single most unprecedented period of office of our lifetimes. Short of a nuke attack, you name it we've had it. From sleaze to a pandemic, from austerity to lockdown, from war in Europe to the death of the Queen, from a clownery budget to the trashing of the economy, from Brexit woes to corrupt PM's ... it goes on and on and on.

    And we'll be heading into the next election in an economic and fiscal crisis.

    The only question left now is the size of Labour's outright majority and whether the Conservatives can retain any MPs in Parliament, and if they do, how many. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in an alternate universe I'm afraid.

    There are definitely more than a thousand grains of sand in the Sahara. Definitely.
  • novanova Posts: 692

    Heathener said:

    So I see that the dirty sleazy tory stories are bubbling up again. Sunak's honeymoon didn't last long, did it? This is like 1992-97 multipled 1000x with a crippling economy.

    You just watch his personal ratings slide over the next 12 months. This was peak Rishi.

    It will be a shellacking next election.

    Woah. You are too presumptuous a found out and busted flush Sunak leads them into that election.

    Anything more like his green card and financeial affairs, and he’ll be gone and Penny Mordant leads the Tories into the election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/rishi-sunaks-hopes-of-becoming-prime-minister-are-over-say-top-tories
    At some point I'd think even Tory MPs would decide it's better to fight and lose an election rather than roll the dice again.

    Rolling the dice is more likely to leave them in exactly the same position in 2024, but with even more long term damage to the reputation of the party.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No-one cares about migrants being housed in hotels.

    To the extent it's an issue it's that too many are, not too few.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    QTWTIAIYBOALY
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    Carnyx said:

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    Hardly surprising. Wales is English for Furriner Slaves, or maybe Slave-grade Furriners.

    if the UK was called Pays des Rosbifs you'd want to change that to something in English (with Welsh, Gaelic and Irish variants).
    You sure it's not slave-grade forrins?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    edited October 2022

    Carnyx said:

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    Hardly surprising. Wales is English for Furriner Slaves, or maybe Slave-grade Furriners.

    if the UK was called Pays des Rosbifs you'd want to change that to something in English (with Welsh, Gaelic and Irish variants).
    You sure it's not slave-grade forrins?
    You come from down there - you tell me. But tbf rather before your time, I hasten to add.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    rcs1000 said:

    QTWTIAIYBOALY

    Is the "L" here for the roman numeral?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/2/

    Scottish Social Attitudes Siurvey now out. Have to go and do sorting out, but it may be of interest to some of us.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited October 2022
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    I'm not buying the idea that Braverman was cynically chosen to act as a lightning rod.

    Much more likely that it was just a bad choice. Even if the lightning rod theory were true it's a massive own goal; above all else Sunak needs to project competence and stability; immediately embroiling in what looks like an avoidable problem - alongside the leaks, which should still be resignation-worthy - could well dampen or arrest any polling bounce (I still think there'll be a bounce though).

    Seems nonsense. whereas her being the price of ERG support seems entirely possible.
    Yeah, it is totally feasible. Still stupid though. The ERG will never be happy, ever. Reminds me of Jessica Mitford on her father, a prototypical ERGer:

    "Lord Redesdale wouldn't receive any 'outsiders' such as 'Huns', 'Frogs', Americans, Africans and any other 'foreigners', which included other people's children, most friends of the girls and almost all young men. An exception was made for some (but by no means all) relatives and some choice red-faced and tweed-clad neighbours."
    Hmm, haven't read the novel, but was Redesdale, erm, seated in Redesdale? It's a pretty isolated place, unless you are a forester, squaddy or Roman archaeologist, or just passing over Carter Bar.
    Lived in the Cotswolds, I think.
    Thank you! I was wondering if there was any significance.
    The Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex and the Earl of Leicester lives in Norfolk.

    Go figure.
    The Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire.

    I wonder how these various gentry would like to be repatriated?

    I reckon the Earl would put up the biggest fight!!
    Careful. He is a man of great ability in the tradition of Ben Wallace and IDS as a former Jock Guard.

    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No - it has to be #BringBackPriti
    Why?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749


    Two obvious questions:
    1 Is Braverman so stupid that she doesn't understand this, or so arrogant that she doesn't care?

    In that question, delete "Braverman" and insert "Sunak". Delete "she" and insert "he" (twice).

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.
  • rcs1000 said:

    QTWTIAIYBOALY

    Question to which the answer is yes but only a...

    little yacht? Is this a low-cost ruse to keep the Telegraph on board?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Carnyx said:

    Heathener said:

    So I see that the dirty sleazy tory stories are bubbling up again. Sunak's honeymoon didn't last long, did it? This is like 1992-97 multipled 1000x with a crippling economy.

    You just watch his personal ratings slide over the next 12 months. This was peak Rishi.

    It will be a shellacking next election.

    Woah. You are too presumptuous a found out and busted flush Sunak leads them into that election.

    Anything more like his green card and financeial affairs, and he’ll be gone and Penny Mordant leads the Tories into the election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/rishi-sunaks-hopes-of-becoming-prime-minister-are-over-say-top-tories
    Pity my tortoise died some years back. He could have doubled the number of Tory PMs he'd eaten lettuce under.
    I am off to Galapagos early 2024. Thinking of picking up a young tortoise to see if it is true that they live to 150.
    If you have an ouija board, you could ask C. Darwin FRS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_(tortoise)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
    I think that will kapp it nicely.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
    I think that will kapp it nicely.
    And if they dont like it, they can Suomi
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    I'm not buying the idea that Braverman was cynically chosen to act as a lightning rod.

    Much more likely that it was just a bad choice. Even if the lightning rod theory were true it's a massive own goal; above all else Sunak needs to project competence and stability; immediately embroiling in what looks like an avoidable problem - alongside the leaks, which should still be resignation-worthy - could well dampen or arrest any polling bounce (I still think there'll be a bounce though).

    Seems nonsense. whereas her being the price of ERG support seems entirely possible.
    Yeah, it is totally feasible. Still stupid though. The ERG will never be happy, ever. Reminds me of Jessica Mitford on her father, a prototypical ERGer:

    "Lord Redesdale wouldn't receive any 'outsiders' such as 'Huns', 'Frogs', Americans, Africans and any other 'foreigners', which included other people's children, most friends of the girls and almost all young men. An exception was made for some (but by no means all) relatives and some choice red-faced and tweed-clad neighbours."
    Hmm, haven't read the novel, but was Redesdale, erm, seated in Redesdale? It's a pretty isolated place, unless you are a forester, squaddy or Roman archaeologist, or just passing over Carter Bar.
    Lived in the Cotswolds, I think.
    Thank you! I was wondering if there was any significance.
    The Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex and the Earl of Leicester lives in Norfolk.

    Go figure.
    The Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire.

    I wonder how these various gentry would like to be repatriated?

    I reckon the Earl would put up the biggest fight!!
    Careful. He is a man of great ability in the tradition of Ben Wallace and IDS as a former Jock Guard.

    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No - it has to be #BringBackPriti
    Why?
    He needs to have an authoritarian as Home Sec to keep the base happy.

    Priti is the obvious choice. Others have suggested Hard Man Baker - so maybe it will be him.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
    I will telemark your words. Though I fear we're fanning the Flåms of conflict here.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

    And I have broken in to lots of houses in my time, all belonging either to me or to people I know.
  • Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    PBers who have been peddling this bilge ought to be ashamed of themselves.

    But certainly NOT first time they've swallowed such red herrings from rightwing blogo-spew, then regurgitated 'em on PB.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    PBers who have been peddling this bilge ought to be ashamed of themselves.

    But certainly NOT first time they've swallowed such red herrings from rightwing blogo-spew, then regurgitated 'em on PB.
    William “Bullshit” G.
    Leon “Down the Rabbithole” Thomas.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Ghedebrav said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
    I will telemark your words. Though I fear we're fanning the Flåms of conflict here.
    We must Scan di thread for any puns we have missed.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No-one cares about migrants being housed in hotels.

    To the extent it's an issue it's that too many are, not too few.
    The stupidity of Leaky Sue not booking hotels is that its dumb politics. The mentality is that we should not waste our money housing these horrible people, so don't. Which just creates massive, expensive and illegal pressure on places like Manston. Which will cost them a lot more, especially politically.

    What is funniest of all is that Patel, Braverman and the rest of the sociopath end of the Tory party foam on about the EHCR. Yet she has broken English law here, nothing to do with Yerp.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Did our resident nuke expert(s) know this ?

    This is wild: the Cleo I device, the first really compact nuclear weapon, was delivered to Nevada Test Site for the Teapot Tesla test (7 kilotons), 1955, in two large suitcases. The guy carrying them — and eating lunch on one of them — is known only as "summer intern Tommy."..
    https://twitter.com/wellerstein/status/1587091706025058306
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Maybe Sunak should invite Starmer to be Home Secretary, to see what he can do about the current problems.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    PBers who have been peddling this bilge ought to be ashamed of themselves.

    But certainly NOT first time they've swallowed such red herrings from rightwing blogo-spew, then regurgitated 'em on PB.
    William “Bullshit” G.
    Leon “Down the Rabbithole” Thomas.
    Good afternoon

    I haven't been posting much recently but I really am concerned at stories like this and fear Musk is going to unleash Trump on us

    The thought of Trump returning to power dismays me and really does show the US in a terrible light

    We have our own problems but they are nothing like the US
    Sadly, we are not completely removed from these US problems.

    For example, Putin’s strategy? Wait.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995

    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No-one cares about migrants being housed in hotels.

    To the extent it's an issue it's that too many are, not too few.
    The stupidity of Leaky Sue not booking hotels is that its dumb politics. The mentality is that we should not waste our money housing these horrible people, so don't. Which just creates massive, expensive and illegal pressure on places like Manston. Which will cost them a lot more, especially politically.

    What is funniest of all is that Patel, Braverman and the rest of the sociopath end of the Tory party foam on about the EHCR. Yet she has broken English law here, nothing to do with Yerp.
    Starmer PMQs gags write themselves this week.

    "The home secretary can't stop leaking sensitive information
    Yet she has done nothing to fix our leaky borders
    And the water companies keep leaking raw sewage into the sea
    Is there no leak this government is capable of fixing?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    “The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away”… https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1587108552484732930
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    TimS said:


    Dura_Ace said:

    ** NEW: It was Suella Braverman who made the decision to stop booking hotels for Manston migrants, according to six current and former senior govt sources **

    ** This led to unlawful detentions and was a ministerial code breach, two senior sources said **


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/uk-officials-accuse-braverman-of-unlawful-decision-on-migrants

    Leaky Sue is fucked. We're going to have Shappsie back.
    No-one cares about migrants being housed in hotels.

    To the extent it's an issue it's that too many are, not too few.
    The stupidity of Leaky Sue not booking hotels is that its dumb politics. The mentality is that we should not waste our money housing these horrible people, so don't. Which just creates massive, expensive and illegal pressure on places like Manston. Which will cost them a lot more, especially politically.

    What is funniest of all is that Patel, Braverman and the rest of the sociopath end of the Tory party foam on about the EHCR. Yet she has broken English law here, nothing to do with Yerp.
    Starmer PMQs gags write themselves this week.

    "The home secretary can't stop leaking sensitive information
    Yet she has done nothing to fix our leaky borders
    And the water companies keep leaking raw sewage into the sea
    Is there no leak this government is capable of fixing?
    SKS says we dont need a comedian in number 10, so i doubt he'll go heavy on the gags.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    "Braverman said she apologised to Rishi Sunak when he reappointed her as home secretary, and repeated her apology in her letter to Johnson.

    But the PM has distanced himself from her claims, as No 10 says the PM did not discuss the circumstances relating to her resignation when he reappointed her, they only discussed getting her old job back."

    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/31/braverman-admits-personal-email-work-six-times-apology-secret
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    Ghedebrav said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
    I will telemark your words. Though I fear we're fanning the Flåms of conflict here.
    We must Scan di thread for any puns we have missed.
    All these Nordic puns, but no sign of any Trolls!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Ghedebrav said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ok in the absence of Leon, ill step up.
    Norway putting its military on hightened alert starting tomorrow.
    BRACE

    Sweden massing troops at the border?
    Ready to Finnish what they started
    Bit of an overlapp there.
    Im not sure we can afjord to let this foolishness drag on
    I will telemark your words. Though I fear we're fanning the Flåms of conflict here.
    We must Scan di thread for any puns we have missed.
    All these Nordic puns, but no sign of any Trolls!
    Neither sight Norse sound of one
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    algarkirk said:

    Why is Lab Maj so long when they have a stonking poll lead?

    NOM 2.3
    Lab Maj 2.42
    Con Maj 5.7

    Because before looking ahead 2 years you might look back 2 years and see that 2 years ago the Tories had quite decent poll figures. So the present moment is an unreliable guide to the future.
    @RodCrosby : gone, but not forgotten.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Heathener said:

    For those of you (see below) who go on about precedence I'd love to know what period in a Government's term has compared to this since 1945?

    The answer is not only, nothing compares. It would be like putting a single grain of sand alongside the Saharan desert.

    This has been, by a thousand fold, the single most unprecedented period of office of our lifetimes. Short of a nuke attack, you name it we've had it. From sleaze to a pandemic, from austerity to lockdown, from war in Europe to the death of the Queen, from a clownery budget to the trashing of the economy, from Brexit woes to corrupt PM's ... it goes on and on and on.

    And we'll be heading into the next election in an economic and fiscal crisis.

    The only question left now is the size of Labour's outright majority and whether the Conservatives can retain any MPs in Parliament, and if they do, how many. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in an alternate universe I'm afraid.

    You're right that it's totally unprecedented.

    Which makes attempting to draw conclusions based on precedent a fool's errand!
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Sunak should invite Starmer to be Home Secretary, to see what he can do about the current problems.

    Easy way to do that would be call an election.
  • Scott_xP said:

    “The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away”… https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1587108552484732930

    Wow. For a manchild who thought "This Is Not a Flamethrower" was a good idea, I can imagine how this is going to play out.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited October 2022
    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited October 2022
    I'd like to ask Stuart about his view on the Danish election tomorrow.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/2/

    Scottish Social Attitudes Siurvey now out. Have to go and do sorting out, but it may be of interest to some of us.

    Following on from yesterday's discussion of Scottish education:

    Public priorities for government action also differed by party identity, views on how Scotland should be governed, and attitudes towards Britain's relationship with the EU. Conservative supporters (36%) were more likely than SNP supporters (16%) and Scottish Green party supporters (5%) to prioritise improving the standard of education in Scotland.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/5/

    The first step in solving a problem is recognising you have one.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    rcs1000 said:

    QTWTIAIYBOALY

    Question to which the answer is yes but only a...

    little yacht? Is this a low-cost ruse to keep the Telegraph on board?
    But what's the extra I doing?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Sunak should invite Starmer to be Home Secretary, to see what he can do about the current problems.

    Surely "Lord" Farage is your boy in a Government of all the talents. He was banging on about some old b******* on R4 WATO.

    Starmer would be madder than he looks if he got involved with this shower of ****!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited October 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    Hardly surprising. Wales is English for Furriner Slaves, or maybe Slave-grade Furriners.

    if the UK was called Pays des Rosbifs you'd want to change that to something in English (with Welsh, Gaelic and Irish variants).
    …
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    On the basis of his previous record of loyalty Frosty will be calling on Braverman to go within a week: https://twitter.com/davidghfrost/status/1587106309748531202
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724

    Scott_xP said:

    “The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away”… https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1587108552484732930

    Wow. For a manchild who thought "This Is Not a Flamethrower" was a good idea, I can imagine how this is going to play out.
    He's going to have a nightmare running Twitter. It is highly politicised and will attract endless attention from various agencies and senate committees etc etc.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
  • Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    Related to this is the heartbreaking story on the BBC today about UK terrorism survivors being trolled and harassed by conspiracy nuts. Astonishingly, a survey suggests that 14% of people believe the 2017 Manchester Arena attack probably involved "crisis actors" who pretended to be injured.

    The combination of pervasive and lightly regulated social media, idiotic gullibility and cynical exploitation is making many people's lives a misery.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63412651
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/2/

    Scottish Social Attitudes Siurvey now out. Have to go and do sorting out, but it may be of interest to some of us.

    Following on from yesterday's discussion of Scottish education:

    Public priorities for government action also differed by party identity, views on how Scotland should be governed, and attitudes towards Britain's relationship with the EU. Conservative supporters (36%) were more likely than SNP supporters (16%) and Scottish Green party supporters (5%) to prioritise improving the standard of education in Scotland.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/5/

    The first step in solving a problem is recognising you have one.
    Because those other party supporters prefer to reduce inequality as their #1 priority, which almost zero Conservative supporters agreed with.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    Not particularly bouncy and fairly recent fieldwork.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/2/

    Scottish Social Attitudes Siurvey now out. Have to go and do sorting out, but it may be of interest to some of us.

    Following on from yesterday's discussion of Scottish education:

    Public priorities for government action also differed by party identity, views on how Scotland should be governed, and attitudes towards Britain's relationship with the EU. Conservative supporters (36%) were more likely than SNP supporters (16%) and Scottish Green party supporters (5%) to prioritise improving the standard of education in Scotland.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/5/

    The first step in solving a problem is recognising you have one.
    Because those other party supporters prefer to reduce inequality as their #1 priority, which almost zero Conservative supporters agreed with.
    Surely one of the best ways to reduce inequality is to improve the quality of education?

    What practical steps would you suggest to "reduce inequality"?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Yeah my butcher is only offering rolled stuffed breast he is freezing now and defrosting to stuff and roll for xmas eve collection after his supplier had the whole flock culled. We are setting one aside as a stand by but relying on Marks to provide......
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    If the Tories weren’t concerned by the weekend polls, they really ought to start worrying now.

    The Oaf seems to have permanently broken the brand. Many, many people did try to warn them.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    Nigelb said:

    Shame Leon isn't around to apologise for peddling the smears about Pelosi.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1586799992978776065
    According to @NBCNews’ @anblanx : Police say on the record that Paul Pelosi and his suspected attacker did not know each other prior to the attack. It was a break-in.

    This directly contradicts conspiracy theories pushed by (and since deleted by) Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    Related to this is the heartbreaking story on the BBC today about UK terrorism survivors being trolled and harassed by conspiracy nuts. Astonishingly, a survey suggests that 14% of people believe the 2017 Manchester Arena attack probably involved "crisis actors" who pretended to be injured.

    The combination of pervasive and lightly regulated social media, idiotic gullibility and cynical exploitation is making many people's lives a misery.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63412651
    Surely the #1 blame should be on the individuals expressing these beliefs, who would clearly know better if it were affecting their lives in some way, instead of being a costless signal of superiority over "the sheep".
  • Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I disagree

    I have cooked excellent Christmas turkeys, both fresh and frozen, and of course the demand is always largest at Christmas when it is seen as the traditional way of celebrating Christmas

    I do agree though it needs to be properly prepared and cooked
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/2/

    Scottish Social Attitudes Siurvey now out. Have to go and do sorting out, but it may be of interest to some of us.

    Following on from yesterday's discussion of Scottish education:

    Public priorities for government action also differed by party identity, views on how Scotland should be governed, and attitudes towards Britain's relationship with the EU. Conservative supporters (36%) were more likely than SNP supporters (16%) and Scottish Green party supporters (5%) to prioritise improving the standard of education in Scotland.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-social-attitudes-2021-22/pages/5/

    The first step in solving a problem is recognising you have one.
    Because those other party supporters prefer to reduce inequality as their #1 priority, which almost zero Conservative supporters agreed with.
    Surely one of the best ways to reduce inequality is to improve the quality of education?

    What practical steps would you suggest to "reduce inequality"?
    Try asking a left-wing Scot instead, but I think they'd say that reducing inequality would improve the quality of education.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The Ukrainian-Turkish-UN convoy of 14 grain ships continues to sail south after breaking through Russia’s naval blockade of Ukraine this morning.

    The Russian Navy is nowhere to be seen.

    Looks like Erdogan rules the waves in the Black Sea!

    🇺🇦🇹🇷


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1587090567191830531
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited October 2022

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I wish my family were big red meat lovers, but only Dad and me are so we always end up Turkeyed.
    I'm staying at his and doing partridges (bird flu allowing) and game chips xmas eve and a fillet of beef for boxing day with extra fattening homemade dauphinoise.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    Scott_xP said:

    “The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away”… https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1587108552484732930

    He'll replace them with members of his family. Boards of his companies often get somewhat incestuous...

    Which is part of the reason he gets away with some of the stuff he does.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Ishmael_Z said:

    I don't really get why a Labour majority is so hard to envisage. The Conservatives will have been in power for over a decade at the next election. Their position in 2019 was flattered by the special circumstances of Brexit and Corbyn. Sunak is a much weaker candidate that 2019-era Johnson. The economic backdrop is very poor. Public services are in a bad state. Brexit - the Tories' sole "achievement" - is unpopular. And Labour has a solid and reassuring (if somewhat uninspiring) front bench team. These seem like the kind of circumstances that could produce a big enough swing for Labour to get a majority.
    I'm not saying it's nailed on, but surely it's not hard to see it happening?

    History suggests it is very difficult to make a net gain of at least 123 seats.

    Corbyn's toxic legacy really has screwed Labour.


    History suggested that it was bloody impossible to shit the political bed as thoroughly as Johnson did, or to be PM for only 45 days without dying on day 45, until those things happened. I don't see why your crude quantitative point overrides those two equally obvious and objective facts.

    Happy with my lab maj position.
    Things are impossible until they happen. Yes there is a huge swing needed but this is the fag end of a government that even itself is admitting has failed. (The latest wheeze is to pretend that the current iteration has just taken power). So I think the betting has not caught up with the polling yet.

  • Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    If the Tories weren’t concerned by the weekend polls, they really ought to start worrying now.

    The Oaf seems to have permanently broken the brand. Many, many people did try to warn them.
    I am perfectly content with Rishi and anyone thinking he would turn things round in a week and before the Autumn statement is wholly unrealistic

    I have been consistent is saying that next Spring will be the time to properly assess progress of the conservative party
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_dinner#:~:text=The turkey appeared on Christmas,served at English Christmas dinners.

    Before that, mostly goose, I believe.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146


    Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    If the Tories weren’t concerned by the weekend polls, they really ought to start worrying now.

    The Oaf seems to have permanently broken the brand. Many, many people did try to warn them.
    I am perfectly content with Rishi and anyone thinking he would turn things round in a week and before the Autumn statement is wholly unrealistic

    I have been consistent is saying that next Spring will be the time to properly assess progress of the conservative party
    But are all Tories as patient as you? Recent history suggests not.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    Think your time spans are a bit out....

    Turkeys were first brought to Britain in the 1520s (from Mexico, via Levantine traders, hence the name ‘turkey’), and first listed as goods for sale in 1521.

    “The earliest written record of turkeys is attributed to Archbishop Thomas Cramner in 1541,” food historian Sam Bilton tells i. “He wanted to curb gluttony in the higher clergy by only allowing one bird to be served per dish (due to their size these ‘greater fowls’ were able to provide more meat therefore negating the need to have more than one)”.

    Before then, for the rich, a boar’s head might have featured. Or a pheasant. Maybe even a swan or peacock. For a king? All of them, probably.

    The popular belief is that King Henry VIII was the first to sit down and tuck into turkey on Christmas Day. By 1573, farmer Thomas Tusser noted that the birds had started being dished up as Yuletide fare across the land, though goose and capon (a castrated rooster) were still the primary choice.

    Food historian Angela Clutton tells me: “Turkeys may have been part of the festive feasting for Tudor royals and the wealthy at that time, most likely in one of the meat-tastic pies. But turkey would not have commonly been the centrepiece roast in the way we think of it now.”


    https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/christmas/history-turkey-eat-christmas-day-106736
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    Turkeys were first bought into England in 1526;, before which for Christmas meals, people used to eat geese, boars’ heads, and sometimes peacocks. Henry VIII was the first person in England to eat Turkey on Christmas day but goose remained the more popular option until the 1950s when it was finally displaced for reasons of cost and rationing.

    Ironically, the first turkeys eaten by the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock they had brought with them from England, from whence they had been introduced previously from Virginia.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    I wish my family were big red meat lovers, but only Dad and me are so we always end up Turkeyed.
    I'm staying at his and doing partridges (bird flu allowing) and game chips xmas eve and a fillet of beef for boxing day with extra fattening homemade dauphinoise.
    I really don't understand turkey, other than it being the done thing.

    If you want fowl, have chicken. Or goose. Both are far superior meats.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Driver said:

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_dinner#:~:text=The turkey appeared on Christmas,served at English Christmas dinners.

    Before that, mostly goose, I believe.
    Get back to goose guys. *Much* better-tasting.

    I’m on ma tod this Christmas, so for like the first time ever, I can eat what the hell I like. It’ll definitely not be American turkey, not Swedish ham. Maybe steak pie? Lamb? Duck? I’ll have to have a wee think.
  • 🚨| BREAKING: Rishi Sunak in a major crisis as ‘Deeply unhappy’ Tory MPs are ALREADY drafting letters of no confidence in him.

    https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1587051559011160064?s=46&t=cCAoGMtV-HrWMD0Uh-dCiQ

    And so it begins.

    Daily express story of the likes of JRM and Jake Berry upset at being thrown onto the backbenches but without any evidence

  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689

    Even the Welsh are embarrassed about being Welsh.

    Wales want to stop being called Wales after the World Cup

    The Football Association of Wales is understood to have already had informal discussions with Uefa over its name change


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/31/wales-want-stop-called-wales-world-cup/

    And the BBC reporters will struggle calling it Simroo or Kumruh....while expertly pronouncing some Bosnian village with 17 syllables...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Scott_xP said:

    New Westminster Voting Intention from @DeltapollUK has Labour’s lead at 25%, stable with polling Pre-Sunak.

    🌹LAB: 51% (=)
    🌳CON: 26% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 28-31/10 https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1587112560951791618/photo/1

    Not particularly bouncy and fairly recent fieldwork.
    Yeah thats a poor poll, suggests maybe some very severe holing below the waterline. Cant seem to boost beyond mid 20s. Still, lets see what the rest bring
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    Sky have just announced that from the 7th November all poultry have to be kept indoors in England due to Avian flu which looks very serious

    I listened to a report on this a couple of days ago that said the Ministry of Agriculture has approved the early slaughter of turkeys and to be frozen and then thawed to sell as fresh at Christmas

    I expect this will have an effect on the availability of Christmas turkeys and I would be very annoyed if I bought a fresh one for it to have been frozen previously

    https://news.sky.com/story/all-poultry-and-captive-birds-in-england-ordered-to-be-kept-indoors-as-bird-flu-measures-stepped-up-12735094

    Turkey is a shit meat anyway, were it any good we'd eat it year round. We don't. It's rubbish. Have rib of beef instead.
    When did the English start eating an American species at Christmas? Christmas has been celebrated in England for almost 2000 years. I’m assuming that for the first 1700 years or so they ate something else at feasts.
    Nothing more British than turkey and roast potatoes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
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