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Pulpstar said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

Those calm waters lasted about 5 minutes.

Nigel_Foremain said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

Desperate stuff

Mexicanpete said:

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HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.

Unless Starmer wins in 2024

The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.

I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1584889949991497729

kle4 said:

Old TV or films from childhood that deeply left a mark? Watership Down, without question

One of these posters is more accurate about the tone.

ydoethur said:

MarqueeMark said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

He's such a heel, knew he'd never last....

That's the sole reason he backed Johnson and Truss.

Leon said:

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numbertwelve said:

Scott_xP said:

Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.

One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344

Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.

If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.

Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy People

She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB

But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?

The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.

There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.

I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted me

The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".

Quatermass and The Pit. It was already old TV in the 70s but it still freaked me out as a boy. The weird locust-like aliens. The terrible SFX. Hob’s End!

Great TV. Brilliant idea. Remake due

I agree - I'd like to see a modern take on Pit (with all the usual trepidation that they'd miss the point, but hey!)
(Slightly) more recently, Ghostwatch was also terrific.

Googling away I see there are two “Pits”. A BBC TV job in the 50s and a Hammer movie in the 60s. I can’t remember which one I watched. I do recall the delicious shiver of fear. The idea of ancient buried hideous insectoid aliens, interred beneath some spooky Tube station with a history of hauntings…

Genius

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

barrykenna said:

I wonder what would happen were a Minister being sacked by the PM to literally turn round and tell him - or her - to 'Go and F... themselves.' Not aware that has actually happened, though when Lord Soames was fired by Thatcher in 1981 he gave her a good bollocking and could be heard shouting at her by officials outside her office.
My mind also goes back to Lamont being removed from the Treasury by Major in 1993. He was offered another job - the Environment Dept - but turned it down. He was very bitter and the normal exchange of letters did not occur - and they never spoke for 20 years or so. It occurs to me that had Lamont known about Major's affair with Edwina , he could have simply stormed off threatening to tell the press everything he knew. That could well have brought Major down.

StillWaters said:

Heathener said:

StillWaters said:

ydoethur said:

StillWaters said:

ping said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FPT

ping said:

Listening to Faisal Islam on the BBC’s newscast - he had this fascinating and (I think) disturbing nugget;

“By all accounts (Sunak at the treasury during the pandemic) it was, not quite minority report, but like, big screens of all the policy options and all the other countries policy options… Germany had done this on their version of the furlough scheme, or France had done that, and he would want to make sure that he could say we’ve done the most in Europe … so you just had to look at what the G7 record was and then you could say, well, he’s going to go to 80%, because it’s higher than 77%”

~20mins in;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0d98v2t

That’s absurd policy making

That's called benchmarking.

It’s bullshit benchmarking. We handed him the grandkids credit card and he maxed out the credit limit to keep up with the Joneses?

That’s our bloody national debt that he’s ramped up, just so he can gain some stupid imaginary brexit points.

And now the country must pay for his idiocy, with higher mortgage rates, tax increases, and spending cuts?

I don’t buy the fiscally dry, sound money persona he’s trying to portray. It was him spaffing cash up the wall that is the primary reason we’re now in one hell of a fiscal mess.

Why should we suffer for his sins?

I’m amazed that the otherwise sensible, sound money PB tories are falling for his guff.

Politicians were ever thus.

Not everyone is as continent as Goderich (I think) who famously left more in the Treasury when he left than was there when he arrived..

That was the Earl of Bath with the 47-hour ‘short lived’ ministry:


‘He ran the wisest and most honest of administrations, having never transacted one rash thing: and what is more marvellous, having left as much money in the Treasury as he found in it.’

Rishi certainly has experience of short-living

This isn't a pop at you personally because a lot of people do this but is there any chance we could stop making comments about his height? It doesn't matter how short or tall he is.

It matters whether he's a competent Prime Minister.

Life without humour must be very dull

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

DavidL said:

Just one of the greatest speeches ever written:

This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;

And he is right, it is indeed 25th October and the 607th anniversary of Agincourt.

He's still a twat though.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Jonathan said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

Desperate stuff

Would you tolerate Starmer having business interests in Russia?

If it was his wife and she was of Indian extraction that had a huge family business interest, I think criticising it would be pretty desperate. I certainly would not be asking "SKS fans please explain?"

RochdalePioneers said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Sack the lot and start again. Hunt can stay. Shapps can stay. The rest lose the whip.

RochdalePioneers said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Sack the lot and start again. Hunt can stay. Shapps can stay. The rest lose the whip.

DavidL said:

Just one of the greatest speeches ever written:

This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;

And he is right, it is indeed 25th October and the 607th anniversary of Agincourt.

He's still a twat though.

nico679 said:

Hilarious to see these cabinet ministers all pretending they resigned rather than got sacked !

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

Don't you think you would be being a little bit of a heel?

No. I'll tell him off while I've got a tongue.

I am sure you won't be the sole person to want to do that

I've already used that. Use your eye, let's get this in order.

barrykenna said:

Would any departing Ministers at least derive some emotional satisfaction by sending in a letter to Graham Brady as an act of pure spite and revenge?!

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

Don't you think you would be being a little bit of a heel?

No. I'll tell him off while I've got a tongue.

I am sure you won't be the sole person to want to do that

I've already used that. Use your eye, let's get this in order.

Sorry, sometimes my posts lack a certain amount of polish

RochdalePioneers said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Sack the lot and start again. Hunt can stay. Shapps can stay. The rest lose the whip.

ThePoliticalParty said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Average IQ of the cabinet is rising...

biggles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Sack the lot and start again. Hunt can stay. Shapps can stay. The rest lose the whip.

Lose the whip? There are around 100 ministers So get rid of the majority and go down to 250 seats?

williamglenn said:

barrykenna said:

Would any departing Ministers at least derive some emotional satisfaction by sending in a letter to Graham Brady as an act of pure spite and revenge?!

They haven't changed the rules so Sunak is safe for a year, and then it will be too close to the next election.

barrykenna said:

williamglenn said:

barrykenna said:

Would any departing Ministers at least derive some emotional satisfaction by sending in a letter to Graham Brady as an act of pure spite and revenge?!

They haven't changed the rules so Sunak is safe for a year, and then it will be too close to the next election.

That rule did not save Truss /Johnson/May.

Pulpstar said:

biggles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Sack the lot and start again. Hunt can stay. Shapps can stay. The rest lose the whip.

Lose the whip? There are around 100 ministers So get rid of the majority and go down to 250 seats?

Have we always had that many ministers ?
Do we honestly need a hundred ?

Andy_JS said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1584889949991497729

You get the impression writing "St Crispin's Day" on the letter was the most important aspect of it for Mogg.

Pulpstar said:

biggles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

14.12: Jake Berry out as Party Chairman
14.12: Robert Buckland out as Welsh Secretary
14.06: Kit Malthouse out as Education Secretary

Sack the lot and start again. Hunt can stay. Shapps can stay. The rest lose the whip.

Lose the whip? There are around 100 ministers So get rid of the majority and go down to 250 seats?

Have we always had that many ministers ?
Do we honestly need a hundred ?

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

Don't you think you would be being a little bit of a heel?

No. I'll tell him off while I've got a tongue.

I am sure you won't be the sole person to want to do that

I've already used that. Use your eye, let's get this in order.

Sorry, sometimes my posts lack a certain amount of polish

We're trying to have a serious discussion about shoes, but how can we if it's laced with remarks like that?

biggles said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

Don't you think you would be being a little bit of a heel?

No. I'll tell him off while I've got a tongue.

I am sure you won't be the sole person to want to do that

I've already used that. Use your eye, let's get this in order.

Sorry, sometimes my posts lack a certain amount of polish

We're trying to have a serious discussion about shoes, but how can we if it's laced with remarks like that?

Eyelet it pass.

GIN1138 said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

And so the drip. drip, drip of financial revelations begins...

ydoethur said:

biggles said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

Don't you think you would be being a little bit of a heel?

No. I'll tell him off while I've got a tongue.

I am sure you won't be the sole person to want to do that

I've already used that. Use your eye, let's get this in order.

Sorry, sometimes my posts lack a certain amount of polish

We're trying to have a serious discussion about shoes, but how can we if it's laced with remarks like that?

Eyelet it pass.

I've already used that too. Honestly, you and Nigel are a pair.

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

Just one of the greatest speeches ever written:

This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;

And he is right, it is indeed 25th October and the 607th anniversary of Agincourt.

He's still a twat though.

Yesterday was the 59th anniversary of Dylan recording The Times They are a-Changin'.

kle4 said:

TheValiant said:

kle4 said:

Old TV or films from childhood that deeply left a mark? Watership Down, without question

One of these posters is more accurate about the tone.

It was NEVER a U!!!! I don't believe that.
Should be 15 at least........

I suppose back then it was a simple 'Cartoon? Don't need to watch it. Must be a U.... NEXT' from the BBFC.

The animated film was classified U in 1978 and features the vocal talents of a wide range of popular British actors such as John Hurt, Richard Briers, Ralph Richardson, Roy Kinnear and Hannah Gordon. The film was recognised as having enormous appeal to young audiences, many of whom were familiar with the book at the time. In the Examiner report available here, you can read about how the examiners came to their decision to classify the film at U.

The video was also classified U in 1987.

While the film has a happy ending and contains many positive messages for young audiences about bravery, friendship and the environment, younger or more sensitive viewers have found some scenes upsetting or worrying and over the years the BBFC has received numerous complaints about the suitability of Watership Down at U.

Watrship Down was most recently classified U on video in 2013, with the BBFCinsight: “Contains very mild language, mild violence and threat”.

I've seen many a film or TV show knocked down for mild violence and 'threat', that is not the description I'd choose for the mass death fever dream scene at the initial warren, the brutal bloody fights, the dog tearing into the Efrafans, the bleakness and despair at times.

https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/watership-down

I'd put it as PG, in case your child is a scaredy cat - but it is meant to be a bit rough!

Malmesbury said:

LostPassword said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Jonathan said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

Desperate stuff

Would you tolerate Starmer having business interests in Russia?

If it was his wife and she was of Indian extraction that had a huge family business interest, I think criticising it would be pretty desperate. I certainly would not be asking "SKS fans please explain?"

I'm reassured by the posts from other PBers that Infosys is no longer operating in Russia - disappointed in the Kyiv Independent for making that mistake - but if they were it would be a direct conflict of interest that would have to be resolved.

Like many news outlets, they recycle stories from elsewhere and don’t always pick up on updates.

I’ve always thought that stories, in the internet age, could be wiki like. That is, ongoing, updated articles. Rather than just a snapshot.

ydoethur said:

Australia should win this, but they're making heavy weather of it even if SL are shelling chances.

Remember, they need to win big, because their NRR is abysmal.

ydoethur said:

GIN1138 said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

And so the drip. drip, drip of financial revelations begins...

The first of money?

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

mwadams said:

ydoethur said:

AlistairM said:

JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.

So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.

The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.

If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'

Edit: here is the speech.

'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'

But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.

Like the French...

St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.

I'll leave it at that.

I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.

Don't you think you would be being a little bit of a heel?

No. I'll tell him off while I've got a tongue.

I am sure you won't be the sole person to want to do that

I've already used that. Use your eye, let's get this in order.

Sorry, sometimes my posts lack a certain amount of polish

We're trying to have a serious discussion about shoes, but how can we if it's laced with remarks like that?

I am running out of shoe puns, so I will have to put a sock in it.

ydoethur said:

GIN1138 said:

LostPassword said:

Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584889895453347841

And so the drip. drip, drip of financial revelations begins...

The first of money?

Morris_Dancer said:

Age ratings are an interesting thing. I remember being baffled that the cartoon violence of God of War (2 or 3, I forget) was an 18, whereas Metal Gear Solid 3 (featuring torture scene with electrocution and loss of an eye) was only a 15.