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She's a bedblocker. Out.numbertwelve said:
Coffey will stay IMHO. Element of continuity and didn’t seem to do such a terrible job at DWP. Needs to be moved from Health. Put her in local government or something not too high profile.IanB2 said:
Making a chocolate teapot the chief whip was never going to end wellPulpstar said:Morton gone.
Come on, Coffey out next.....3 -
She adds some ballast to the cabinet, but not much else.numbertwelve said:
Coffey will stay IMHO. Element of continuity and didn’t seem to do such a terrible job at DWP. Needs to be moved from Health. Put her in local government or something not too high profile.IanB2 said:
Making a chocolate teapot the chief whip was never going to end wellPulpstar said:Morton gone.
Come on, Coffey out next.....1 -
I think the fact that it would 'annoy' people is irrelevant – it's more that an incompetent moron will be back in the cabinet.Andy_JS said:
That would annoy a lot of people.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/15848820182400573442 -
Will there be a deputy position or first secretary, perhaps as a sop appointment. Eg Penny doesnt getva top job but gets deputy.0
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Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
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A Cabinet without CoffeyPeter_the_Punter said:
She's a bedblocker. Out.numbertwelve said:
Coffey will stay IMHO. Element of continuity and didn’t seem to do such a terrible job at DWP. Needs to be moved from Health. Put her in local government or something not too high profile.IanB2 said:
Making a chocolate teapot the chief whip was never going to end wellPulpstar said:Morton gone.
Come on, Coffey out next.....1 -
I don't see what she does for him. Out.FrankBooth said:
That really is depressing. More of a prisoner of the loons than we might think. Hopefully it's not a very big one.Pulpstar said:Braverman might get a job - it was probably her (Along with Badenoch) lack of support that did for Johnson's chances.
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I think given the need to establish party unity he does need to keep the right on side. However making Cruella Home Secretary is not the right way to go about it. They need to be in positions that give them a sense of importance but don’t cause too many problems.FrankBooth said:
That really is depressing. More of a prisoner of the loons than we might think. Hopefully it's not a very big one.Pulpstar said:Braverman might get a job - it was probably her (Along with Badenoch) lack of support that did for Johnson's chances.
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But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB3 -
I agree with the post above though, there’s a massive landing zone for a very weak minority Labour administration after 2024 (a majority is too big a leap in one go, the LibDems will be allergic to a coalition, and the SNP still in force). In those circumstances I reckon Boris has a chance of both being picked, and of doing well in his own terms.TheValiant said:
But by trying now, he's damaged a chance for later however.biggles said:
I agree. But I suspect he entertains the fantasy there’s a chance. And this was the wrong moment for his fantasy to play out has he would wish.Leon said:biggles said:
He’s not a pantomime villain. He’s not pure evil. All people are complex. He probably realised he’d only get to lead a leasable party AND honestly felt that would be bad for the country as well as him AND calculated his best chance of a second go is from opposition by acclamation.Stark_Dawning said:If Boris had the 100 votes I can't believe that the reason he didn't stand was for any of that unity-of-the-party crap. More likely a delegation of Tory grandees approached him and it went like this: 'Boris, you know all those lucrative executive positions you'll be offered when you leave parliament? Well, if you try to become PM again we'll make sure they never happen.'
Boris’ political time has surely come and gone, now
His job was
1 win the Brexit referendum
2 defeat Corbyn soundly
3 do Brexit
He did all that - and did pretty well on Ukraine and very well on vaccines
Now he will soak up the money. He will not get a Churchillian Restoration
But I don't see a route back for him now this decade.
2024 - Sunak win - that'll close off Boris for another five years.
2024 - Starmer win - that'll also close him off till 2029, and Boris won't do opposition I think.
And 2029 itself? He'll be 66. A young whippersnapper in US terms but in this country we do like our PMs to be between 40 and 60 when taking office usually.0 -
Quid pro quo for backing him and not BoZo this weekendPeter_the_Punter said:
I don't see what she does for him. Out.FrankBooth said:
That really is depressing. More of a prisoner of the loons than we might think. Hopefully it's not a very big one.Pulpstar said:Braverman might get a job - it was probably her (Along with Badenoch) lack of support that did for Johnson's chances.
It would be delicious if he now shafted her0 -
Braverman resigned less than a week ago, having admitted to a security breach.
This, rather than her ludicrous views, make her utterly unsuitable for a Cabinet place.
I don't give a monkeys if she finished off Boris.
This kind of appointment on the basis of favours done, rather than ability and integrity isn't a good sign at all, and is, unfortunately, all of a continuity Boris/Truss piece.8 -
Yes, decaffeinated.Anabobazina said:
A Cabinet without CoffeyPeter_the_Punter said:
She's a bedblocker. Out.numbertwelve said:
Coffey will stay IMHO. Element of continuity and didn’t seem to do such a terrible job at DWP. Needs to be moved from Health. Put her in local government or something not too high profile.IanB2 said:
Making a chocolate teapot the chief whip was never going to end wellPulpstar said:Morton gone.
Come on, Coffey out next.....3 -
Whatever the rights or wrongs of her policy choices, Braverman is a loose cannon. If Sunak is to have any hope of recovering in the polls, he needs a Starmer-like zero tolerance approach to loose cannons.4
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Not exactly in the 2019 manifesto, was it?Leon said:And Lo
“You have power, Rishi Sunak. Use it. Rejoin the single market and customs union”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/25/rishi-sunak-rejoin-single-market-customs-union-brexit-lies
Sunak won’t do this. Starmer might
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She does however come across as a mean spirited loon.Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Kemi is the natural choice for HS if you were giving it to the right IMHO. Also for Sunak has the advantage of giving her a chance to mess up, and undermine her leadership ambitions.
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Yes, but a week ago she was fired for self-admitted gross incompetence. That's the gift in question.Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB2 -
Bringing back uncontrolled immigration from the EU is madness.CarlottaVance said:
Not exactly in the 2019 manifesto, was it?Leon said:And Lo
“You have power, Rishi Sunak. Use it. Rejoin the single market and customs union”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/25/rishi-sunak-rejoin-single-market-customs-union-brexit-lies
Sunak won’t do this. Starmer might0 -
Not if the Privileges Committee does the right thing and buries his career for good. Helped along by the good people of Uxbridge, if needs be.biggles said:
I agree with the post above though, there’s a massive landing zone for a very weak minority Labour administration after 2024 (a majority is too big a leap in one go, the LibDems will be allergic to a coalition, and the SNP still in force). In those circumstances I reckon Boris has a chance of both being picked, and of doing well in his own terms.TheValiant said:
But by trying now, he's damaged a chance for later however.biggles said:
I agree. But I suspect he entertains the fantasy there’s a chance. And this was the wrong moment for his fantasy to play out has he would wish.Leon said:biggles said:
He’s not a pantomime villain. He’s not pure evil. All people are complex. He probably realised he’d only get to lead a leasable party AND honestly felt that would be bad for the country as well as him AND calculated his best chance of a second go is from opposition by acclamation.Stark_Dawning said:If Boris had the 100 votes I can't believe that the reason he didn't stand was for any of that unity-of-the-party crap. More likely a delegation of Tory grandees approached him and it went like this: 'Boris, you know all those lucrative executive positions you'll be offered when you leave parliament? Well, if you try to become PM again we'll make sure they never happen.'
Boris’ political time has surely come and gone, now
His job was
1 win the Brexit referendum
2 defeat Corbyn soundly
3 do Brexit
He did all that - and did pretty well on Ukraine and very well on vaccines
Now he will soak up the money. He will not get a Churchillian Restoration
But I don't see a route back for him now this decade.
2024 - Sunak win - that'll close off Boris for another five years.
2024 - Starmer win - that'll also close him off till 2029, and Boris won't do opposition I think.
And 2029 itself? He'll be 66. A young whippersnapper in US terms but in this country we do like our PMs to be between 40 and 60 when taking office usually.0 -
Cute horse.Nigelb said:
Nice carpet.CarlottaVance said:NEW: Rishi Sunak becomes Prime Minister.
pictures just released show him meeting the King. Sunak becomes Charles’ second prime minister, of a reign itself not even two months old.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1584856028255920128
Having grown up in farmhouse, wonder what it’s like living in BIG rooms?
“What are you doing?”
“I’m going over to the writing table. Just waiting for the chauffeur driven car.”1 -
You can be tough as a HS without looking like you take delight in the misery of others .
Bravermans despicable comments at the Tory conference should never be forgotten !0 -
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB3 -
Some good news
“City of London workers have returned to their desks in the greatest numbers since the pandemic as employers push staff to spend more time in the office amid turbulent markets.
More than three in four workers in the financial district were back at their workplace on Oct. 13, according to data compiled by Google, which tracks the movement of some of its users.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/market-turmoil-sends-city-of-london-workers-back-to-the-office0 -
Morton - how many people get to resign from the same job twice in a week?2
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Braverman might be floated to make rewarding Raab with HS seem less of an issue.0
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I haven't seen a great deal of Kemi but she doesn't strike me as a loon.numbertwelve said:
She does however come across as a mean spirited loon.Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Kemi is the natural choice for HS if you were giving it to the right IMHO. Also for Sunak has the advantage of giving her a chance to mess up, and undermine her leadership ambitions.0 -
Why is Gove being so quiet?0
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There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB1 -
Overdid it at the party last night?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
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If Sunak wants even a slender chance of winning in 24, he has to unite the Tory party. He needs right wingers in his Cabinet with serious power. Getting to grips with immigration - esp the Channel - would be an enormous Winkle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB0 -
"Jacob Rees-Mogg: Why I no longer believe Rishi Sunak is a socialist
The Business Secretary said he would now be willing to serve in the new prime minister's cabinet in the name of Tory unity" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/jacob-rees-mogg-rishi-sunak-socialist-cabinet/0 -
I don't know why people keep wittering on about Brexit/the EU. Nothing at all will happen on this until after the next GE, or more likely the one after. Starmer won't touch it with a bargepole. The most he'll say is "we want closer cooperation with our EU neighbours". That's it.0
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in that case, it's even more important that he keeps idiots like Braverman away from it.Leon said:
If Sunak wants even a slender chance of winning in 24, he has to unite the Tory party. He needs right wingers in his Cabinet with serious power. Getting to grips with immigration - esp the Channel - would be an enormous Winkle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB1 -
IIRC, Pratchett denied even he was geeky enough to write a joke in base 13.Flatlander said:
That's only true if we work in base 13. Rishi Sunak is 33.MarqueeMark said:
42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything.Scott_xP said:Meet Rishi Sunak, Britain's new PM who is only 42, meaning he'll probably serve well into his 42-and-a-halves https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1584878439944921088/video/1
Just saying.....0 -
Maybe the fantastic Elizabeth Line has something to do with this.Leon said:Some good news
“City of London workers have returned to their desks in the greatest numbers since the pandemic as employers push staff to spend more time in the office amid turbulent markets.
More than three in four workers in the financial district were back at their workplace on Oct. 13, according to data compiled by Google, which tracks the movement of some of its users.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/market-turmoil-sends-city-of-london-workers-back-to-the-office2 -
We are already almost entirely aligned. Drop the bullshit pretence about us forging our own path, agree with the EU that we are aligned. So:FrankBooth said:
What do you think can be done without rejoining the customs union or single market? If it's align on everything we might as well just rejoin the whole thing.RochdalePioneers said:
Park remain as an option, drop "remoaner". What we have done has cost us billions. If Sunak wants to cut services less he can get those billions back into the economy by removing our self-imposed trading barriers. Not rejoin. Not even EEA yet. Just ending the petulant war and accepting we need them.Leon said:
I’m merely observing a big shift in sentiment: in that poll. And noting that it gives Starmer a window of opportunity to get closer to the EU (and solve the NI issue)Heathener said:
Hello.Leon said:
60/40 is enough for Starmer to push for SM membership, especially at a time when business will be screaming for assistanceOnlyLivingBoy said:
It will become an issue but I see no prospect of Labour touching this in its first term. I also don't think 60:40 is good enough for the EU to risk having us back or for Labour to risk going near this. I think 70:30 is the kind of level where it would happen. Maybe in 10 years. It will happen though because Brexit was simply, objectively, the wrong decision and eventually enough people will see that for it to be overturned. And what a sad waste of everyone's time and energy it will have been.Leon said:Decent speech by Sunak. But he is highly unlikely to win in ‘24. Starmer will take over… and do what?
I’ve always thought - and said on here - that the EU would become an issue if the polls reached 60/40 in favour of Rejoin. No government can ignore that
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That’s do-able for Labour. And Starmer is a staunch Remainer who wanted a 2nd vote
It solves the NI problem. The EU will likely agree. FoM is the thorny bit. But in dark times I can see Starmer selling it successfully
But ... hang on.
Is this a change of mind? You come across today as in favour of this but only a matter of weeks ago you were pouring invective on "remoaners" and wokerati for their evil plotting that would see us rejoin the EU.
I don't have a problem if you've changed your standpoint but have you?
I detest the idea of Rejoining. I also think it is unlikely
I am maybe persuadable on the SM. I was always a soft Leaver. I wanted us to go to EEA/EFTA as a holding position with minimal damage, then plot our course further out, over time
Mutually drop standards checks.
Mutually drop all the carnet bullshit which has crippled various industries including bands and events
Agree the lightest of light touch customs regimes. Our standards are their standards so no need to check
Add us back into the various European schemes we demanded to be excluded from - not having to be fingerprinted next time I travel to the EU after their new ID scheme comes into being as an example.
There are stacks of things we can ask to be removed. Almost all of which are only there because we demanded to be tret as a third country.0 -
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB1 -
The Curious Incident of the Gove in the Night-Time.FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
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Waiting to see what the new administrations policies on drugs are?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
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How generous of him.Andy_JS said:"Jacob Rees-Mogg: Why I no longer believe Rishi Sunak is a socialist
The Business Secretary said he would now be willing to serve in the new prime minister's cabinet in the name of Tory unity" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/jacob-rees-mogg-rishi-sunak-socialist-cabinet/0 -
Experts say important evidence has been overlooked during scrutiny of the GRR Bill, and warn against removing medical oversight as this will "certainly" harm kids. Hard to see how MSPs can support these plans on Thu given such acute concerns about scrutiny and central provisions.
https://twitter.com/jmgillies/status/1584825622747959296
“Overlooked” is very diplomatic, “ignored”, “rejected out of hand” “dismissed as not valid” would be nearer the mark.1 -
The reference was to Suella, but appreciate it wasn’t particularly clear from the post!FrankBooth said:numbertwelve said:
She does however come across as a mean spirited loon.Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Kemi is the natural choice for HS if you were giving it to the right IMHO. Also for Sunak has the advantage of giving her a chance to mess up, and undermine her leadership ambitions.
I haven't seen a great deal of Kemi but she doesn't strike me as a loon.0 -
Braverman's politics are totally irrelevant. She resigned a week ago because she broke the Ministerial Code, by her own admission. If she wants another post, she'll have to wait at least a year.
Sunak would be making a big mistake to give her a job now, as it would call into doubt the 'integrity' he has promised.4 -
I could do them a balanced piece in reply:mwadams said:
How generous of him.Andy_JS said:"Jacob Rees-Mogg: Why I no longer believe Rishi Sunak is a socialist
The Business Secretary said he would now be willing to serve in the new prime minister's cabinet in the name of Tory unity" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/jacob-rees-mogg-rishi-sunak-socialist-cabinet/
'Why do I still believe Jacob Rees-Mogg is a twat?'
article consists of one sentence:
'He is one.'3 -
I do find it mildly amusing that the Tories are going to be punished for something they didn’t do, while people are ignoring the reason why they should be punished (inability to manage a budget)Benpointer said:
Uh, no. Not in anyway comparable imho.BartholomewRoberts said:
"Look at the share not the lead"Benpointer said:
We can but hope. But @StillWaters has a point. In many ways the current polling swing is very different from and much more dramatic than 1992-7:Heathener said:
Black Wednesday. 1992-7. It happens. Fast, violent, visceral, palpable, real, and long-lasting.StillWaters said:
The polling move was so fast and violent that it strikes me as shallow.Heathener said:
But you are a right-wing tory and, forgive me for saying, unable therefore to be objective.StillWaters said:
If I had bet on a Labour government I’d take profit at this point. It’s unlikely to get b tree for themalgarkirk said:Agree. But there is a fascinating question, only to be guessed about at this moment.
In 1992 the Tories lost their reputation and nothing from 1992-1997 stopped them being thrown out in a landslide, despite having a fairly decent team trying to repair things.
Do things happen faster now? It it thinkable that in two years the Tories do the impossible and prevent a Labour victory. The 1990s feel like a vanished age now.
Rishi could, and should, construct a team, centrist and moderate, that appears more capable than Labour's. In particular the shadow CoE is not formidable in the sense that Brown or Darling were. This is a weakness.
Results other than a Labour led government next time could become thinkable. Bet accordingly.
No party comes back from this polling debacle. Never has. Never will. Period.
They blew it. Lost the confidence of the British people.
If you want to bet on a Conservative Party victory of any sort you need to wait 15 years.
The tories are in for a shellacking next time and will then be out of power for at least a decade.
Looking at Tory share, 2019 look much more comparable.
Not saying there'll be a recovery for the Tories like that, I doubt there will be personally, but it's absolutely possible and has happened before.
Parliament was deadlocked, Leavers and Remainers were sick and tired of Brexit jamming everything. Nothing comparable about today's situation. In that sense 1992 (Tory economic incompetence) is much more similar.
Never underestimate the way that the electorate will punish perceived economic mismanagement. Each of 1970, 1974, 1979, 1997 and 2010 is an example of that.0 -
Have you looked at polling on immigration recently?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
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The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB1 -
Gerard Glaister was an under-appreciated geniusmwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB1 -
...
The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.HYUFD said:
Unless Starmer wins in 2024Stark_Dawning said:So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.
I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.0 -
Klinger and Yossarian tried the same. There was a catch 22 to the tactic.mwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
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I agree somewhat with the principle of this. I can tell there is a lot of enthusiasm here for Sunak to clear out the cabinet and start again (a wish that for the most part, I share), but the goal of today isn’t to antagonise any faction of the party. It’s to appear statesmanlike and consensual. It’s not to make Truss’ mistake and make the cabinet overly factional. To that end, whilst I am delighted to see the back of characters like JRM, a balance will need to be struck.Leon said:
If Sunak wants even a slender chance of winning in 24, he has to unite the Tory party. He needs right wingers in his Cabinet with serious power. Getting to grips with immigration - esp the Channel - would be an enormous Winkle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB0 -
At least you'll be rich, from your winnings.Mexicanpete said:...
The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.HYUFD said:
Unless Starmer wins in 2024Stark_Dawning said:So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.
I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.2 -
Quatermass and The Pit. It was already old TV in the 70s but it still freaked me out as a boy. The weird locust-like aliens. The terrible SFX. Hob’s End!mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Great TV. Brilliant idea. Remake due2 -
Tripods and Tales of the Unexpected were most unsettling. Shame on my parents for letting me watch them.mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB2 -
Chloe Shit is sacked after her 5 minutes running DWP-1
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I don't see the main problem as factionalism. It's that a whole load of third rate people have come to feel entitled to ministerial office.0
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Look, just sack the entire Truss ministerial team and start with a blank sheet of paper. Would be easier and give more reassurance to people.3
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Mexicanpete said:
...
The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.HYUFD said:
Unless Starmer wins in 2024Stark_Dawning said:So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.
I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.
I don’t think your tactic of descending into madness to escape PB is going to work 🙂5 -
Interestingly, the real-life Colditz escape on which it was based was successful (and repeated).MoonRabbit said:
Klinger and Yossarian tried the same. There was a catch 22 to the tactic.mwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
The fascinating thing about this story is the impact it had on those who were with him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Ferguson0 -
Bloody hell, I thought I was a miserable pessimist, but I've got nothing on you.Mexicanpete said:...
The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.HYUFD said:
Unless Starmer wins in 2024Stark_Dawning said:So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.
I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.3 -
Wholly agree.IanB2 said:
Gerard Glaister was an under-appreciated geniusmwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB0 -
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
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Italia 90 semi final and the '92 election for memwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB1 -
Did none of you watch Johnny Go Home, made by YTV in 1975?ozymandias said:
Tripods and Tales of the Unexpected were most unsettling. Shame on my parents for letting me watch them.mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB0 -
I actually agree, he needs someone of that type. But why her?Leon said:
If Sunak wants even a slender chance of winning in 24, he has to unite the Tory party. He needs right wingers in his Cabinet with serious power. Getting to grips with immigration - esp the Channel - would be an enormous Winkle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB0 -
She can spend the time now trying to save her seat.RochdalePioneers said:Chloe Shit is sacked after her 5 minutes running DWP
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Talking of Tripods I’ve got three episodes into War of the Worlds on Disney and it’s very bleak and brutal. It’s an Anglo-French series with Gabriel Byrne, the Countess from Downton amongst others but very well made and filmed split between London, Paris, Alps near Grenoble so far.ozymandias said:mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army'Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
called "Radishes with Butter".
Tripods and Tales of the Unexpected were
most unsettling. Shame on my parents for letting me watch them.
I had to stop watching last night as I feared for some babies in a hospital in it as they don’t hold back with the brutality (not graphic but cold) whether adult or child.
Had a feel of 28 days later too with the empty cityscapes.
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JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/15848899499914977290 -
Remember the Norwich North by-election in 2009? She was the youngest MP.MarqueeMark said:
She can spend the time now trying to save her seat.RochdalePioneers said:Chloe Shit is sacked after her 5 minutes running DWP
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I agree - I'd like to see a modern take on Pit (with all the usual trepidation that they'd miss the point, but hey!)Leon said:
Quatermass and The Pit. It was already old TV in the 70s but it still freaked me out as a boy. The weird locust-like aliens. The terrible SFX. Hob’s End!mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Great TV. Brilliant idea. Remake due
(Slightly) more recently, Ghostwatch was also terrific.1 -
Please can the following NOT be in the cabinet:MarqueeMark said:
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
Patel
Williamson
Braverman
Gove
Hancock
Zahawi
Kwarteng
McVey
Rees-Mogg
Javid
anyone who idolises Ayn Rand
anyone who was ever fired for lying4 -
Gavin Williamson has been spotted walking around the corridors of power.DJ41 said:
Please can the following NOT be in the cabinet:MarqueeMark said:
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
Patel
Williamson
Braverman
Gove
Hancock0 -
ManCock was totally blanked by Rishi yesterday, so hopefully that will continue.DJ41 said:
Please can the following NOT be in the cabinet:MarqueeMark said:
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
Patel
Williamson
Braverman
Gove
Hancock
Zahawi
Kwarteng
McVey1 -
So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.AlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.
If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'
Edit: here is the speech.
'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'
But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.
Like the French...1 -
Old TV or films from childhood that deeply left a mark? Watership Down, without question
One of these posters is more accurate about the tone.
3 -
Not sure putting Braverman who technically broke the ministerial code returning into a high profile position like HS is a good look for alleged integrity under Sunak .
I understand he might feel he needs to give her a job but he surely could have said with justification that she can’t have HS.0 -
Was it the start of your descent into lunacy and paranoia that ultimately resulted in you supporting Boris Johnson and being one of the few intelligent people that genuinely believe that there are "benefits of Brexit"?Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB2 -
I agree on all of these.DJ41 said:
Please can the following NOT be in the cabinet:MarqueeMark said:
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
Patel
Williamson
Braverman
Gove
Hancock
Gove and Hancock especially. Lockdown fans both apparently.... The other three were just a bit rubbish AFAICS0 -
Was Johnson Captain of School? I’ve never heard it mentioned before. He was definitely in Pop and a Tug, but don’t think he was that distinguishedSelebian said:
I was Deputy Head Boy at my local comp. Makes me about the same as Sunak, then?OnlyLivingBoy said:DJ41 said:Background for journalists about Rishi Sunak and Winchester College (part 2/2)
5. All of the boys attend classes in the same classrooms, but it's where they "live" that counts.
The 70 "scholars" sleep, dine, and study in the original 14th century buildings. These include "Hall", a room that would make many people think of the dining hall in the Harry Potter films. They also include the chapel, where scholars attend "Preces" (prayers) every evening.
The 600 "commoners", on the other hand, sleep, dine, and study in 19th and 20th century buildings. The idea that life in the "houses" has anything to do with William of Wykeham, the famous pimp, bishop, Chancellor of England, and Chaplain of the Order of the Garter, is rubbish. The notion is as fake as the Cambridge college where "dons" speak of "combining" in the "Old Library" and you find out it was built in the 1970s.
6. In both parts of the school, favoured boys are appointed as "prefects".
In the houses, these are divided into "house prefects" who have authority over the boys in their house (of around 60 boys) and "school prefects" (Co Praes) who have authority over all commoners. The top commoner prefect is called the Sen Co Prae. No commoner prefect has any authority over a boy who is in College.
College has its own prefects, the top one being called the Aulae Prae, or "Prefect of Hall". It's the Aulae Prae who does things like reading the address when a distinguished guest is welcomed ceremonially through the school gates (gates which of course lead into College, not into a house). It's the Aulae Prae who is basically the head boy of Winchester College, although technically he is joint head boy with the Sen Co Prae.
Rishi Sunak was the Sen Co Prae.
7. Boris Johnson was in the Eton equivalent of "College", having been a "King's Scholar". He was also "Captain of School". The Captain of School is the Eton equivalent of the Aulae Prae and is always in "College". In short: Johnson really was the head boy at Eton, whereas Sunak was only head commoner at Winchester, the top authority among the boys who belonged to the less academic part of the school, the 19th century part.
All sounds very relatable.
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Oh, now I know who that unhinged comment was about.Andy_JS said:
Remember the Norwich North by-election in 2009? She was the youngest MP.MarqueeMark said:
She can spend the time now trying to save her seat.RochdalePioneers said:Chloe Shit is sacked after her 5 minutes running DWP
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What are you complaining about? We have had a non-Conservative government since 2019.Mexicanpete said:...
The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.HYUFD said:
Unless Starmer wins in 2024Stark_Dawning said:So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.
I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.
I am pleased and relieved that the Conservatives are back in charge.0 -
Sunak should offer Boris the chance to show he really has changed into a man that could run the country by offering him the local government post.0
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#Chloe4Leader dumped out of cabinet.
Gutted.0 -
St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.ydoethur said:
So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.AlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.
If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'
Edit: here is the speech.
'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'
But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.
Like the French...
I'll leave it at that.2 -
This Braverman thing sounds like self promotion from “friends” to me. I guess Williamson might be chief whip…1
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Gove on all accounts is a very good minister - I have zero problem with himMortimer said:
I agree on all of these.DJ41 said:
Please can the following NOT be in the cabinet:MarqueeMark said:
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
Patel
Williamson
Braverman
Gove
Hancock
Gove and Hancock especially. Lockdown fans both apparently.... The other three were just a bit rubbish AFAICS
Shapps and Coffey should however be fired onto the sun0 -
Googling away I see there are two “Pits”. A BBC TV job in the 50s and a Hammer movie in the 60s. I can’t remember which one I watched. I do recall the delicious shiver of fear. The idea of ancient buried hideous insectoid aliens, interred beneath some spooky Tube station with a history of hauntings…mwadams said:
I agree - I'd like to see a modern take on Pit (with all the usual trepidation that they'd miss the point, but hey!)Leon said:
Quatermass and The Pit. It was already old TV in the 70s but it still freaked me out as a boy. The weird locust-like aliens. The terrible SFX. Hob’s End!mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Great TV. Brilliant idea. Remake due
(Slightly) more recently, Ghostwatch was also terrific.
Genius0 -
I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.mwadams said:
St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.ydoethur said:
So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.AlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.
If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'
Edit: here is the speech.
'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'
But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.
Like the French...
I'll leave it at that.2 -
Eugh what horrendous handwriting. You'd have thought going to Eton he might have been taught how to write properly.AlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/15848899499914977290 -
Johnson's brand of social democracy didn't really dovetail with mine I'm afraid.Nigel_Foremain said:
What are you complaining about? We have had a non-Conservative government since 2019.Mexicanpete said:...
The Conservatives are going to win 2024 quite comfortably, despite my protestations that the economy would kill them. Sunak/ Hunt will push the cuts and tax rises until after the next election, and the markets will be comfortable with that, and we can borrow more for infrastructure investment. Sunak has been very careful to promote the narrative that everything was hunky-dory until Truss/Kwarteng.HYUFD said:
Unless Starmer wins in 2024Stark_Dawning said:So in the end Dom won hands down. Boris gone. Crackers lady gone in record time. His protegee Rishi now master of all he surveys. Job done.
I realise I will never see a non- Conservative Government in my lifetime. It is a somewhat rather depressing thought.
I am pleased and relieved that the Conservatives are back in charge.1 -
Good riddance to a talentless twatAlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/15848899499914977291 -
He's such a heel, knew he'd never last....ydoethur said:
I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.mwadams said:
St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.ydoethur said:
So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.AlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.
If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'
Edit: here is the speech.
'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'
But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.
Like the French...
I'll leave it at that.0 -
Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?
The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/15848898954533478411 -
I don't think the TV job was recorded, although I could be wrong. I think it was one of those live plays the BBC experimented with in the days before film was feasible for TV.Leon said:
Googling away I see there are two “Pits”. A BBC TV job in the 50s and a Hammer movie in the 60s. I can’t remember which one I watched. I do recall the delicious shiver of fear. The idea of ancient buried hideous insectoid aliens, interred beneath some spooky Tube station with a history of hauntings…mwadams said:
I agree - I'd like to see a modern take on Pit (with all the usual trepidation that they'd miss the point, but hey!)Leon said:
Quatermass and The Pit. It was already old TV in the 70s but it still freaked me out as a boy. The weird locust-like aliens. The terrible SFX. Hob’s End!mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Great TV. Brilliant idea. Remake due
(Slightly) more recently, Ghostwatch was also terrific.
Genius0 -
They are both excellent - the Hammer Movie is a rare case of a successful remake that isn't spoiled by the transition to Colour and 90 minutes.Leon said:
Googling away I see there are two “Pits”. A BBC TV job in the 50s and a Hammer movie in the 60s. I can’t remember which one I watched. I do recall the delicious shiver of fear. The idea of ancient buried hideous insectoid aliens, interred beneath some spooky Tube station with a history of hauntings…mwadams said:
I agree - I'd like to see a modern take on Pit (with all the usual trepidation that they'd miss the point, but hey!)Leon said:
Quatermass and The Pit. It was already old TV in the 70s but it still freaked me out as a boy. The weird locust-like aliens. The terrible SFX. Hob’s End!mwadams said:
The TV that most affected me in childhood are that, and the episode of 'Secret Army' called "Radishes with Butter".Leon said:
I saw that episode in my childhood. It has always haunted memwadams said:
There's an episode of (excellent 70s drama) Colditz called "Tweedledum" about a chap who pretends to be mad to try to get repatriated. In the end, they do not know whether he is still pretending, or has really descended into madness. The Escape Committee bans anyone from trying it again.IanB2 said:
The Tories need someone who is able to pretend to be anti-immigration and pays attention to the headlines, whilst actually managing the issue much more deftly and flexibly. That's the usual brief for the job - the trouble with Braverman (among other things) is that she seems actually to believe when she's only supposed to be pretending.kle4 said:
But cannot someone be found who is anti immigration and didn't just resign for incompetence?Leon said:
Why? Braverman wants lower immigration and she wants to get tough on the Dinghy Peoplemwadams said:
If this is true, it is a gift to the opposition.numbertwelve said:
Urgh, I sure hope not. I can see the logic (LBJ’s maxim as John Major so eloquently put it) but if she does have to be back round the table can she not get something where she won’t do too much damage, like Commons leader or something.Scott_xP said:Hearing that Suella Braverman is making a return to cabinet less than a week after being sacked over a security breach.
One govt source even suggests she might be back as home sec, perhaps in return for endorsing Sunak. Bold move, if true.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1584882018240057344
She probably has the support of 70% of UK voters. PB is not GB
Great TV. Brilliant idea. Remake due
(Slightly) more recently, Ghostwatch was also terrific.
Genius0 -
Oi! Not mine! That invalidates your sentence immediately...eek said:
Gove on all accounts is a very good minister - I have zero problem with himMortimer said:
I agree on all of these.DJ41 said:
Please can the following NOT be in the cabinet:MarqueeMark said:
Sunak believes "Gove will tear us apart. Again...."?FrankBooth said:Why is Gove being so quiet?
Patel
Williamson
Braverman
Gove
Hancock
Gove and Hancock especially. Lockdown fans both apparently.... The other three were just a bit rubbish AFAICS0 -
Some of us remember the days when the PB Bumpkins assured us London was dead forever and professionals would spend the rest of their days working out of farmhouses in North Yorkshire. In fact, town seems as busy as ever. I went in on Sunday – Sunday! – and the place was buzzing.Leon said:Some good news
“City of London workers have returned to their desks in the greatest numbers since the pandemic as employers push staff to spend more time in the office amid turbulent markets.
More than three in four workers in the financial district were back at their workplace on Oct. 13, according to data compiled by Google, which tracks the movement of some of its users.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/market-turmoil-sends-city-of-london-workers-back-to-the-office
Funny old world.0 -
Those calm waters lasted about 5 minutes.LostPassword said:Is it credible for the Prime Minister's wife to own a stake in a company that is operating in Russia during a time of war?
The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
However, Sunak has come under fire because his wife owns a stake in Insofys - an Indian IT company that has operations in Moscow and reportedly has links to a major Russian bank. He denied accusations that his family is profiting from Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's regime.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/15848898954533478410 -
That's the sole reason he backed Johnson and Truss.MarqueeMark said:
He's such a heel, knew he'd never last....ydoethur said:
I'm always happy to say 'Shoo! Shoo!' to Moggster if he ever comes within audio range.mwadams said:
St Crispin is the patron saint of Cobblers.ydoethur said:
So he's not completely stupid, despite his poor academic record. He knew he wasn't going to be reappointed.AlistairM said:JRM doesn't write the date. He writes the Saint's Day (St. Crispin's Day, apparently). Despite it also having a Twitter and Website listed, his stationary still manages to look like it is from the 19th Century.
Jacob Rees-Mogg's resignation letter. He has told friends it was his decision to go, and would have resigned to Liz Truss last night if he didn't have to take Business Questions this morning.
The only use I can think of of 'St Crispin's Day' is in Shakespeare's Henry V in his speech before Agincourt.
If he really wanted to rub French noses in it, he should have picked 'Agincourt Day.'
Edit: here is the speech.
'This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St Crispian's day.'
But he couldn't even fight. He'd lost. Through his own incompetence.
Like the French...
I'll leave it at that.1
