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  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited October 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it really only 6 years since Cameron was PM?

    Yes (well, six years five months).

    He promised us stability and strong government.

    Bloody good job we didn't choose chaos with Ed Miliband...
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    Don't some Hindu monks wear them?
  • rkrkrk
    rkrkrk Posts: 8,746
    YBarddCwsc said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak botched Covid response when chancellor, says health expert Devi Sridhar

    A leading public health expert has accused the multimillionaire Rishi Sunak of being out of touch with the challenges of daily life and plotting to “let Covid rip” during the pandemic. Devi Sridhar, professor of global public health at Edinburgh University, said the incoming prime minister “handled Covid badly” from a public health perspective when he was chancellor. The academic, a member of Nicola Sturgeon’s Covid-19 advisory group, said Sunak lives “in a bubble of extreme wealth” making it “hard to relate the challenges of daily life including access to healthcare”." (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-botched-covid-response-when-chancellor-says-health-expert-devi-sridhar-wzbkpbfbv

    I think actually Sunak's instincts were right about covid.
    The point about his wealth is irrelevant. But disagree - Sunak botched several things on COVID.

    He got it utterly wrong on eat out to help out (subsidizing COVID spread just before we had to go back into lockdown), he argued against the 2nd lockdown in September - mistakenly thinking it would harm the economy when of course the later longer lockdown was even worse, and (incredibly) he was apparently slow to give the budget for COVID vaccines: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/dame-kate-bingham-rishi-sunak-didnt-even-know-what-vaccine-taskforce/
    That is true -- did not Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford get things wrong about COVID too ?

    But, at least the Tories and the SNP are allowing a public inquiry into their actions.

    There is one country that is not getting a public inquiry into its Government's actions .... shamefully Llafur.
    Agreed both Scotland & Wales got things wrong. I cut them more slack in general, perhaps partially because I am biased, but also because I think they have less power vs. politicians in Westminster. Wales holding their own inquiry makes sense to me and I personally think less of Drakeford for saying "the world has moved on".
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Where the audience is taking place:

    https://www.houseandgarden.co.uk/article/inside-the-most-important-room-in-buckingham-palace
  • DecrepiterJohnL
    DecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,766
    Sky has now settled on the new PM. Betfair has not.
  • mwadams
    mwadams Posts: 3,776
    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    CIII has decided it is easier to delegate to deceased relatives? Do you get to choose which?
  • Anabobazina
    Anabobazina Posts: 23,795
    ....
  • Beibheirli_C
    Beibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited October 2022
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    On a brighter note, WhatsApp is down. That will slow the Tory feuding :smiley:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63383957

    All the cool kids and Tories use Signal.
    Is that the Trumpian one?

    It is hard to keep track of them all, especially since I find them both poisonous and boring. My Twitter account got used for about a day. These days I just stick to email or, occasionally FB if I can be bothered logging in to it.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited October 2022
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    Don't some Hindu monks wear them?
    AIUI they are worn as protective headgear by Hindus in some parts of India eg Rajasthan, but not for religious reasons.

    Could be wrong. My knowledge of Hinduism isn't all it might be and it's a complex subject.
  • Selebian
    Selebian Posts: 9,544
    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    She's reincarnated?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    Ouija board out....
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    CarlottaVance said:

    Where the audience is taking place:

    https://www.houseandgarden.co.uk/article/inside-the-most-important-room-in-buckingham-palace

    They're meeting in the toilet?
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    Selebian said:

    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    She's reincarnated?
    Given Hindu belief, I did look twice at the remark by Ms Rigby - but assume it's just habit. It's certainly not the only instance in recent days, tbf.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Sky has now settled on the new PM. Betfair has not.

    Ladbrokes yet to settle on Truss exit dates
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    Of course Sunak needs a different lectern.

    It needs to be much shorter...
  • YBarddCwsc
    YBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    rkrkrk said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak botched Covid response when chancellor, says health expert Devi Sridhar

    A leading public health expert has accused the multimillionaire Rishi Sunak of being out of touch with the challenges of daily life and plotting to “let Covid rip” during the pandemic. Devi Sridhar, professor of global public health at Edinburgh University, said the incoming prime minister “handled Covid badly” from a public health perspective when he was chancellor. The academic, a member of Nicola Sturgeon’s Covid-19 advisory group, said Sunak lives “in a bubble of extreme wealth” making it “hard to relate the challenges of daily life including access to healthcare”." (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-botched-covid-response-when-chancellor-says-health-expert-devi-sridhar-wzbkpbfbv

    I think actually Sunak's instincts were right about covid.
    The point about his wealth is irrelevant. But disagree - Sunak botched several things on COVID.

    He got it utterly wrong on eat out to help out (subsidizing COVID spread just before we had to go back into lockdown), he argued against the 2nd lockdown in September - mistakenly thinking it would harm the economy when of course the later longer lockdown was even worse, and (incredibly) he was apparently slow to give the budget for COVID vaccines: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/dame-kate-bingham-rishi-sunak-didnt-even-know-what-vaccine-taskforce/
    That is true -- did not Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford get things wrong about COVID too ?

    But, at least the Tories and the SNP are allowing a public inquiry into their actions.

    There is one country that is not getting a public inquiry into its Government's actions .... shamefully Llafur.
    Agreed both Scotland & Wales got things wrong. I cut them more slack in general, perhaps partially because I am biased, but also because I think they have less power vs. politicians in Westminster. Wales holding their own inquiry makes sense to me and I personally think less of Drakeford for saying "the world has moved on".
    I largely agree ...

    The Drake is losing his touch.

    He has just got into a pointless public argument with a staunchly Labour-supporting Valleys family about ambulance waiting times.
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    numbertwelve said:

    LostPassword said:

    StuartDickson said:

    It'll make for strange archival viewing of the Queen's funeral to see Liz Truss there as PM, future humans will be left wondering 'who's that?'

    https://twitter.com/robdunsmore/status/1584843157128331266?s=46&t=Pwf5jPCZ4PXhN84gkKI1WA

    Might assume that she was brought in specially for the purpose?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_mourning
    In 500 years time there will be a curious custom during a change in the British monarch whereby a “Lord High Truss” is appointed to oversee the funeral and accession, who then leaves office seven weeks later. No-one is certain of the origins of this peculiar tradition, it having been lost to time.
    ”British”? Post apocalypse, England will be lucky if she reachieves the unity of the Heptarchy by 2522.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    Mel Stride has emailed MPs to tell them there will not be a throng of MPs and advisers to clap Rishi Sunak in this morning. No10 wants to keep a solemn mood that reflects the economic situation.

    Side note: This very much suggests Stride is the Chief Whip.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/rishi-sunak-latest-news-speech-king-charles-prime-minister/
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    Scott_xP said:

    Of course Sunak needs a different lectern.

    It needs to be much shorter...

    Not if he stands on the prostrate Raab.
  • Beibheirli_C
    Beibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Apologies for Ian Dunt's language.

    https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1584662176140173312

    Called it last night - Raab went big for Rishi early on, and has deputised for Boris, it's a no brainer to give him a big office.

    Edit: A no brainer politically that is, not on the basis he'd be good for it.
    The phrases "no brainer" and "Raab" are perfectly matched IMNSHO
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    Jenga lectern gone
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    Perhaps the whole Truss era was just a nightmare?
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    edited October 2022
    The new podoum is here. All hail the podium
    Edit - lectern. Sigh.
  • mwadams
    mwadams Posts: 3,776
    Scott_xP said:

    Mel Stride has emailed MPs to tell them there will not be a throng of MPs and advisers to clap Rishi Sunak in this morning. No10 wants to keep a solemn mood that reflects the economic situation.

    Side note: This very much suggests Stride is the Chief Whip.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/rishi-sunak-latest-news-speech-king-charles-prime-minister/

    Will he still be Chair of the Treasury Select Committee? That would make him exceptionally powerful.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    I do love polling sometimes. Just did a survey, which opened asking if I'd heard of various sporting bodies (FA, ECB etc), and didn't select the options about horses. It then asks something like 'Just to check, have you heard of the Jockey Club?', and I select no, and then it is asking about my attitudes to horseracing. I can almost feel the disappointment in the survey that I have heard nothing, know nothing, and care nothing about horse racing (and cannot suggest how it might grab my interest).

    Horses are nice enough animals, but I have never understood the fascination some people have with them. There is a whole subset of young women that seem to have a horse obsession bordering on mania!
    £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
    Veblen Theorem of conspicuous consumption - have a pony-mad daughter.

    It's the proles who get the Vimes Theorem.
    Talking about the latter, just noticed this. Cheap food - inflation now 17% fide ONS. A canary in the economic policy mine looking a bit Norwegian Blue when it comes to benefits uprating.

    "The overall price of budget food items in supermarkets soared by 17% in the year to the end of September, according to data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). This was nearly double the 9% annual increase measured in the 12 months to April.

    The figures highlight how the poorer families are bearing the brunt of the cost of living crisis, with prices for some budget grocery items soaring far ahead of the official 10.1% rate of inflation, which is at a 40-year high."
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    He’s a cat, he doesn’t know the difference.
    Now you are being cattist.
  • Anabobazina
    Anabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Are we really doing racist jokes with cats in turbans?

    FFS.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    Apparently someone has listed 10 Downing Street on booking.com as Airbnb-style accommodation for short stays.

    http://twitter.com/albiondumsday/status/1584849535305670658
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    Perhaps the whole Truss era was just a nightmare?
    One day soon I am convinced I am going to wake up on 24 June 2016, we will just have voted to remain in the EU, Cameron is about to give his valedictory speech and people are noting this undermines Boris’ leadership ambitions, potentially fatally.
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    Perhaps the whole Truss era was just a nightmare?
    No perhaps about it.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Called it.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Off-topic: Dual Screen phones for work, yes or no? An old friend was waving his (Surface Duo) at me at the weekend. Looked interesting, can pick one up for a song, curious if anyone uses such a thing already and it offers tangible benefits over a single screen device?

    You can watch PB atd the same time as a work zoom meeting?
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    I'm struggling to understand the idea that Russia's economic contraction will only be 3% of GDP. If it is based on the very limited information they are providing us with that seems foolish. Why on earth would you trust any of the figures currently emanating from Moscow. And even if they are accurate surely the figures they are withholding are going to be much more damning about their position.

    Over a million have left the country. Many of those among the best paid and most educated section of the population. The mobilisation means taking a further half million out of the economy. Rumours of people going into hiding to avoid being conscripted. Their prisons are full to bursting. Their workforce mus now be down 1.5 million. Foreign companies have left Russia en masse. They are extremely reliant on western tech and do not have much home-grown industry. They cannot access western capital. What they can do is export their raw materials. Oil did rise sharply at the start of the war but has come down again and Russia is not selling it at full price with the massive logistical difficulties of getting it to India and China. Gas prices surged, maybe they made massive sums from European countries wanting to replenish their stocks in time for winter?

    I maintain my opinion that the medium to long term forecast for the Russian economy seems woeful. Even their hydrocarbon industry will struggle without western expertise and they won't have gas revenues. But the idea they have bought time this year also feels sceptical to me. They may have dug into their remaining accessible foreign reserves but that won't be sustainable. Still even if it is only 3%, given the amount of GDP now being spent on the war effort I suppose it will feel considerably worse for most Russians.
  • Selebian
    Selebian Posts: 9,544
    wooliedyed said:

    The new podoum is here. All hail the podium
    Edit - lectern. Sigh.

    It's Truss's top on a new stick?

    Not the clean break I was looking for :disappointed: Still, cheaper, I guess... :smiley:
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    Imagining the advice to Sunak: "Don't bow too low, or the King won't be able to see you."
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Stuartinromford said:

    Selebian said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Fun fact - each PM gets their own lectern…

    What do we think @RishiSunak will look like?

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1584813870639878144

    Cameron's - certain aesthetic, but lacks substance in the middle
    May's - straight and upstanding, but it doesn't look particularly strong or stable
    Johnson's - wide boy
    Truss's - Twisted, chaotic
    Sunak's - I think I'd use some scaffolding poles and go for 'rebuilding'
    Anyone know how these lecterns are done?

    What's the timeframe for designing and making them, and how much (if any) input does the incoming PM get?

    Is there a cupboard with half a dozen lecterns ready to go?

    Is it like wands in Harry Potter, and the lectern somehow chooses the Prime Minister?
    Bizarre, Cameron's looked perfectly good to me.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    edited October 2022
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Called it.
    its the leftie version of the classic "your not like those other foreigners, your one of the good bad ones" racist trope.
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Cant help themselves. And wont be able to help themselves saying 'she shouldnt have said it but.......'
  • YBarddCwsc
    YBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    It just shows how brilliant Nicola Sturgeon is:

    "Congratulations to RishiSunak - I wish him well and, notwithstanding our political differences, will do my best to build a constructive working relationship with him in the interests of those we serve."

    "That he becomes the first British Asian to become PM is a genuinely significant moment. It certainly makes this a special Diwali"

    And then you go on to attack the policies, not the man nor his heritage nor his colour.
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Pulpstar said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Selebian said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Fun fact - each PM gets their own lectern…

    What do we think @RishiSunak will look like?

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1584813870639878144

    Cameron's - certain aesthetic, but lacks substance in the middle
    May's - straight and upstanding, but it doesn't look particularly strong or stable
    Johnson's - wide boy
    Truss's - Twisted, chaotic
    Sunak's - I think I'd use some scaffolding poles and go for 'rebuilding'
    Anyone know how these lecterns are done?

    What's the timeframe for designing and making them, and how much (if any) input does the incoming PM get?

    Is there a cupboard with half a dozen lecterns ready to go?

    Is it like wands in Harry Potter, and the lectern somehow chooses the Prime Minister?
    Bizarre, Cameron's looked perfectly good to me.
    I agree with this post yesterday:
    barrykenna said:

    Doubtless tomorrow we are to be subjected yet again to that ghastly lectern in Downing St as Truss departs and Sunak returns from the Palace. I don't understand why they now do this - it is a pretty recent thing. I particularly fail to see why Truss chose to face such a public humiliation at that lectern last Thurday. Until recently departing PMs simply issued a press statement - or said nothing at all. Wilson issued a statement announcing his retirement in mid-March 1976 but made no comments as he left for the Palace three weeks later. Callaghan said nothing in 1979 as he left No 10 to resign . In 1990 Thatcher announced her decision to withdraw from the Leadership ballot via a press statement and only addressed the cameras a week later as she departed for the last time.
    The arrival of a new PM was often followed by a broadcast to the nation - which is what Macmillan did in 1957, Alec Douglas-Home in 1963 and Wilson in 1964. In 1970 Ted Heath did give a statement from the steps of No 10 - but said nothing at all on leaving in March 1974. When Wilson returned there, he uttered just a few words before going inside. Callaghan said nothing on arriving at No 10 but did broadcast to the nation. Thatcher made her St Francis of Assisi remarks in May 1979.
    Others may see it differently, but to me the lectern comes across as somewhat false and contrived.

  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    edited October 2022
    Stuartinromford said:

    Selebian said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Fun fact - each PM gets their own lectern…

    What do we think @RishiSunak will look like?

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1584813870639878144

    Cameron's - certain aesthetic, but lacks substance in the middle
    May's - straight and upstanding, but it doesn't look particularly strong or stable
    Johnson's - wide boy
    Truss's - Twisted, chaotic
    Sunak's - I think I'd use some scaffolding poles and go for 'rebuilding'
    Anyone know how these lecterns are done?

    What's the timeframe for designing and making them, and how much (if any) input does the incoming PM get?

    Is there a cupboard with half a dozen lecterns ready to go?

    Is it like wands in Harry Potter, and the lectern somehow chooses the Prime Minister?
    They had to change the system a few years back when Brown was convinced Blair would hand over his lectern but Blair was keen to keep hold of it.
  • mwadams
    mwadams Posts: 3,776
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Called it.
    It's depressing isn't it. My nearly-9yo daughter has come to the conclusion that "there's no such thing as a good politician". We're helping her to a more nuanced view (and the importance of judging people on their actions, and ways you can get involved and effect change), but it is bloody hard work in the face of spectacular stupidity from all sides.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,270
    edited October 2022
    numbertwelve said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    Perhaps the whole Truss era was just a nightmare?
    One day soon I am convinced I am going to wake up on 24 June 2016, we will just have voted to remain in the EU, Cameron is about to give his valedictory speech and people are noting this undermines Boris’ leadership ambitions, potentially fatally.
    Except that was probably the Johnson calculation - a Remain win with himself positioned as the eurosceptic 'heart over head' candidate (v Osborne) in the 2018 contest to succeed Cameron.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Called it.
    It will be why labour hasn't had a female leader. None of their candidates would be a win for female representation.....
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Called it.
    It will be why labour hasn't had a female leader. None of their candidates would be a win for female representation.....
    That's if they can answer what one is ;-)
  • kamski
    kamski Posts: 6,470
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    Don't some Hindu monks wear them?
    AIUI they are worn as protective headgear by Hindus in some parts of India eg Rajasthan, but not for religious reasons.

    Could be wrong. My knowledge of Hinduism isn't all it might be and it's a complex subject.
    Lots of people wear them for various reasons. Hindu nationalist arsehole Modi tends to wear one on all kinds of special occasions - often one designed specially.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Any chance of Boris racing to the Palace in a separate car?
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    FrankBooth said:

    I'm struggling to understand the idea that Russia's economic contraction will only be 3% of GDP. If it is based on the very limited information they are providing us with that seems foolish. Why on earth would you trust any of the figures currently emanating from Moscow. And even if they are accurate surely the figures they are withholding are going to be much more damning about their position.

    Over a million have left the country. Many of those among the best paid and most educated section of the population. The mobilisation means taking a further half million out of the economy. Rumours of people going into hiding to avoid being conscripted. Their prisons are full to bursting. Their workforce mus now be down 1.5 million. Foreign companies have left Russia en masse. They are extremely reliant on western tech and do not have much home-grown industry. They cannot access western capital. What they can do is export their raw materials. Oil did rise sharply at the start of the war but has come down again and Russia is not selling it at full price with the massive logistical difficulties of getting it to India and China. Gas prices surged, maybe they made massive sums from European countries wanting to replenish their stocks in time for winter?

    I maintain my opinion that the medium to long term forecast for the Russian economy seems woeful. Even their hydrocarbon industry will struggle without western expertise and they won't have gas revenues. But the idea they have bought time this year also feels sceptical to me. They may have dug into their remaining accessible foreign reserves but that won't be sustainable. Still even if it is only 3%, given the amount of GDP now being spent on the war effort I suppose it will feel considerably worse for most Russians.

    I think you covered it in the first few sentences. Russian figures will be tosh. See also all other non-democracies and some democracies without proper independent stats and audit bodies.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    FrankBooth said:

    Any chance of Boris racing to the Palace in a separate car?

    Given his record, he'd have a major car crash en route and not arrive where he wanted.
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    Mel Stride already messaging MPs on behalf of the Rishinator, chief whip?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Stuartinromford said:

    Selebian said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Fun fact - each PM gets their own lectern…

    What do we think @RishiSunak will look like?

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1584813870639878144

    Cameron's - certain aesthetic, but lacks substance in the middle
    May's - straight and upstanding, but it doesn't look particularly strong or stable
    Johnson's - wide boy
    Truss's - Twisted, chaotic
    Sunak's - I think I'd use some scaffolding poles and go for 'rebuilding'
    Anyone know how these lecterns are done?

    What's the timeframe for designing and making them, and how much (if any) input does the incoming PM get?

    Is there a cupboard with half a dozen lecterns ready to go?

    Is it like wands in Harry Potter, and the lectern somehow chooses the Prime Minister?
    Couldn't we just use the sorting hat for PMs?
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited October 2022
    What will you most remember of the Truss Era?

    https://twitter.com/gavinesler/status/1584844192244961280?s=46&t=m8HANJCaY0BOz6oI4Mag3g

    - I shall remember that it is possible to earn £115,000 for life after failing so badly at a job that you get kicked out after just 6 weeks.

    - 44 days is an era, but we can't get #indyref2 8 years on.

    - That if I to choose a ‘Prime Minister’ for a specialist subject on Mastermind, it’s Truss
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    FrankBooth said:

    Any chance of Boris racing to the Palace in a separate car?

    He will be Over Water by now
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    YBarddCwsc said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    It just shows how brilliant Nicola Sturgeon is:

    "Congratulations to RishiSunak - I wish him well and, notwithstanding our political differences, will do my best to build a constructive working relationship with him in the interests of those we serve."

    "That he becomes the first British Asian to become PM is a genuinely significant moment. It certainly makes this a special Diwali"

    And then you go on to attack the policies, not the man nor his heritage nor his colour.
    It shouldn't need brilliance to do it. Any progress is welcome, still lots left to do, should be a standard response any opposition is ready with in case of good news.
  • Eabhal
    Eabhal Posts: 11,275
    Has Truss left the palace yet?!

    King William V incoming
  • Selebian
    Selebian Posts: 9,544
    Stuartinromford said:

    Selebian said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Fun fact - each PM gets their own lectern…

    What do we think @RishiSunak will look like?

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1584813870639878144

    Cameron's - certain aesthetic, but lacks substance in the middle
    May's - straight and upstanding, but it doesn't look particularly strong or stable
    Johnson's - wide boy
    Truss's - Twisted, chaotic
    Sunak's - I think I'd use some scaffolding poles and go for 'rebuilding'
    Anyone know how these lecterns are done?

    What's the timeframe for designing and making them, and how much (if any) input does the incoming PM get?

    Is there a cupboard with half a dozen lecterns ready to go?

    Is it like wands in Harry Potter, and the lectern somehow chooses the Prime Minister?
    And then stays loyal to that Prime Minister, which is why they need a new one each time? Lest the lectern sabotage the speeches of the new PM?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    I think my Uber was overtaken by Rishi’s motorcade.
  • RandallFlagg
    RandallFlagg Posts: 1,418
    Cummings has gone very quiet on Twitter about UK politics.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I'm struggling to understand the idea that Russia's economic contraction will only be 3% of GDP. If it is based on the very limited information they are providing us with that seems foolish. Why on earth would you trust any of the figures currently emanating from Moscow. And even if they are accurate surely the figures they are withholding are going to be much more damning about their position.

    Over a million have left the country. Many of those among the best paid and most educated section of the population. The mobilisation means taking a further half million out of the economy. Rumours of people going into hiding to avoid being conscripted. Their prisons are full to bursting. Their workforce mus now be down 1.5 million. Foreign companies have left Russia en masse. They are extremely reliant on western tech and do not have much home-grown industry. They cannot access western capital. What they can do is export their raw materials. Oil did rise sharply at the start of the war but has come down again and Russia is not selling it at full price with the massive logistical difficulties of getting it to India and China. Gas prices surged, maybe they made massive sums from European countries wanting to replenish their stocks in time for winter?

    I maintain my opinion that the medium to long term forecast for the Russian economy seems woeful. Even their hydrocarbon industry will struggle without western expertise and they won't have gas revenues. But the idea they have bought time this year also feels sceptical to me. They may have dug into their remaining accessible foreign reserves but that won't be sustainable. Still even if it is only 3%, given the amount of GDP now being spent on the war effort I suppose it will feel considerably worse for most Russians.

    I think you covered it in the first few sentences. Russian figures will be tosh. See also all other non-democracies and some democracies without proper independent stats and audit bodies.
    The IMF was doing the estimate though. They couldn't be so naive to rely on selective figures from Russia?
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    edited October 2022
    StuartDickson said:

    What will you most remember of the Truss Era?

    https://twitter.com/gavinesler/status/1584844192244961280?s=46&t=m8HANJCaY0BOz6oI4Mag3g

    - I shall remember that it is possible to earn £115,000 for life after failing so badly at a job that you get kicked out after just 6 weeks.

    - 44 days is an era, but we can't get #indyref2 8 years on.

    - That if I to choose a ‘Prime Minister’ for a specialist subject on Mastermind, it’s Truss

    This is also rather good - as are his following remarks.

    "Resignation statements, abbreviated.
    Cameron: Oops.
    May: I'm sorry.
    Johnson: You bastards.
    Truss: I was right."



    https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/1584837405864910848?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1584837405864910848|twgr^c1cf368418fa3c93850101cb832c4e5698c8725c|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/oct/25/uk-politics-live-sunak-to-meet-king-charles-and-give-first-address-to-the-nation-as-pm
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    RandallFlagg said:

    Cummings has gone very quiet on Twitter about UK politics.

    Shame about the last five words.

    The opening five had me quite hopeful.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    ...
  • YBarddCwsc
    YBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Selebian said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    It just shows how brilliant Nicola Sturgeon is:

    "Congratulations to RishiSunak - I wish him well and, notwithstanding our political differences, will do my best to build a constructive working relationship with him in the interests of those we serve."

    "That he becomes the first British Asian to become PM is a genuinely significant moment. It certainly makes this a special Diwali"

    And then you go on to attack the policies, not the man nor his heritage nor his colour.
    I think it shows more how crap that Labour MP is. Sturgeon's approach should be the response of any sane, decent person.
    I agree it is obvious to most of us -- but Sturgeon just does it brilliantly.

    "It certainly makes this a special Diwali" is just a wonderful touch.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    StuartDickson said:

    What will you most remember of the Truss Era?

    https://twitter.com/gavinesler/status/1584844192244961280?s=46&t=m8HANJCaY0BOz6oI4Mag3g

    - I shall remember that it is possible to earn £115,000 for life after failing so badly at a job that you get kicked out after just 6 weeks.

    - 44 days is an era, but we can't get #indyref2 8 years on.

    - That if I to choose a ‘Prime Minister’ for a specialist subject on Mastermind, it’s Truss

    Those are office expenses I believe not earnings.
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    FrankBooth said:

    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I'm struggling to understand the idea that Russia's economic contraction will only be 3% of GDP. If it is based on the very limited information they are providing us with that seems foolish. Why on earth would you trust any of the figures currently emanating from Moscow. And even if they are accurate surely the figures they are withholding are going to be much more damning about their position.

    Over a million have left the country. Many of those among the best paid and most educated section of the population. The mobilisation means taking a further half million out of the economy. Rumours of people going into hiding to avoid being conscripted. Their prisons are full to bursting. Their workforce mus now be down 1.5 million. Foreign companies have left Russia en masse. They are extremely reliant on western tech and do not have much home-grown industry. They cannot access western capital. What they can do is export their raw materials. Oil did rise sharply at the start of the war but has come down again and Russia is not selling it at full price with the massive logistical difficulties of getting it to India and China. Gas prices surged, maybe they made massive sums from European countries wanting to replenish their stocks in time for winter?

    I maintain my opinion that the medium to long term forecast for the Russian economy seems woeful. Even their hydrocarbon industry will struggle without western expertise and they won't have gas revenues. But the idea they have bought time this year also feels sceptical to me. They may have dug into their remaining accessible foreign reserves but that won't be sustainable. Still even if it is only 3%, given the amount of GDP now being spent on the war effort I suppose it will feel considerably worse for most Russians.

    I think you covered it in the first few sentences. Russian figures will be tosh. See also all other non-democracies and some democracies without proper independent stats and audit bodies.
    The IMF was doing the estimate though. They couldn't be so naive to rely on selective figures from Russia?
    In the end, what other figures are there?
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    edited October 2022
    Was on the phone to Pa Woolie when the lectern arrived

    Me - its a big old lump of wood perpendicular to another big old lump of wood. No fancy stuff. Its very woody
    Dad - yeah, im not voting for them but i like the sound of that.

    The tectonic plates are shifting
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    New smaller lecturn arrives



    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1584851030197829633
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
     
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Roger said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    As I've seen elsewhere: Waking up this morning, we have a Christian King, a Hindu Prime Minister, a Jewish Home Secretary and a Muslim Mayor of London.

    You can disagree with personal politics, but that is a victory for a diverse, multicultural Britain - and we should be proud.

    https://twitter.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1584802272638562305

    Jewish Home Secretary?
    Shapps Jewish family according to Wikipedia.

    I'm generally surprised when someone is labelled Jewish and also wonder why we care. Only really relevant in the above statement if he's a follower of Judaism, I'd have thought.

    How about a Buddhist at Defence?
    On Shapps, I do wonder whether there was some misunderstanding. Truss in crisis mode, government falling around her. Someone says "Shapps is at the door, what shall we do with him?" and Truss says "Oh Gawd, send him home!"
    NF Simpson, 'A resounding tinkle' 1958
    Act 1, Scene 1
    …
        A knock
    Mrs Paradock    There's somebody at the door wanting you to form a government
    Bro Paracock looks at her in astonishment. Several seconds elapse.
    Mr Paradock      What does he look like?
    Mrs Paradock     He says he's working through the street directory.
    …


  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    ydoethur said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Any chance of Boris racing to the Palace in a separate car?

    Given his record, he'd have a major car crash en route and not arrive where he wanted.
    Knowing his supporters they'd probably start Diana type conspiracies.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    FrankBooth said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Any chance of Boris racing to the Palace in a separate car?

    Given his record, he'd have a major car crash en route and not arrive where he wanted.
    Knowing his supporters they'd probably start Diana type conspiracies.
    It was the Express pace that did for him.

    I thank you.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    Photos of the Chuck n Rishi love in released
    No awkward curtsying
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I'm struggling to understand the idea that Russia's economic contraction will only be 3% of GDP. If it is based on the very limited information they are providing us with that seems foolish. Why on earth would you trust any of the figures currently emanating from Moscow. And even if they are accurate surely the figures they are withholding are going to be much more damning about their position.

    Over a million have left the country. Many of those among the best paid and most educated section of the population. The mobilisation means taking a further half million out of the economy. Rumours of people going into hiding to avoid being conscripted. Their prisons are full to bursting. Their workforce mus now be down 1.5 million. Foreign companies have left Russia en masse. They are extremely reliant on western tech and do not have much home-grown industry. They cannot access western capital. What they can do is export their raw materials. Oil did rise sharply at the start of the war but has come down again and Russia is not selling it at full price with the massive logistical difficulties of getting it to India and China. Gas prices surged, maybe they made massive sums from European countries wanting to replenish their stocks in time for winter?

    I maintain my opinion that the medium to long term forecast for the Russian economy seems woeful. Even their hydrocarbon industry will struggle without western expertise and they won't have gas revenues. But the idea they have bought time this year also feels sceptical to me. They may have dug into their remaining accessible foreign reserves but that won't be sustainable. Still even if it is only 3%, given the amount of GDP now being spent on the war effort I suppose it will feel considerably worse for most Russians.

    I think you covered it in the first few sentences. Russian figures will be tosh. See also all other non-democracies and some democracies without proper independent stats and audit bodies.
    The IMF was doing the estimate though. They couldn't be so naive to rely on selective figures from Russia?
    In the end, what other figures are there?
    But it's pointless using the Russian figures. You might as well not bother.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Ah, we have a photo.

    Charles doesn't look much taller than Sunak.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Scott_xP said:

    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


    None of that oath taking or swearing on a holy book stuff, just 'Shake this hand' and you've got the gig.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    No “Liz resigning” photo? They’re trying to forget about it already?
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    NEW: Rishi Sunak becomes Prime Minister.

    pictures just released show him meeting the King. Sunak becomes Charles’ second prime minister, of a reign itself not even two months old.



    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1584856028255920128
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the Cat is now officially running the country for about 20 minutes.

    Nah, he’s getting Ready For Rishi.


    Isn’t that a tad Racialist?
    Also wrong as Sunak is a Hindu not a Sikh.
    He’s a cat, he doesn’t know the difference.
    So Larry The Cat is actually a Racialist?

    Now it all makes sense.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited October 2022
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


    None of that oath taking or swearing on a holy book stuff, just 'Shake this hand' and you've got the gig.
    He has to kneel and kiss the hand, but they don't photograph that because it's a bit naff.

    That's a rather nice blue pinstripe His Maj is wearing.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I think my Uber was overtaken by Rishi’s motorcade.

    A metaphor for Truss's entire administration?

  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


    None of that oath taking or swearing on a holy book stuff, just 'Shake this hand' and you've got the gig.
    He has to kneel and kiss the hand, but they don't photograph that because it's a bit naff.
    I think (but happy to be corrected) that happens at the next Privy Council meeting, rather than the appointment.
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    RobD said:

    Rigby says Sunak is about to have his audience with the Queen.

    Interesting.

    She's reincarnated?
    Given Hindu belief, I did look twice at the remark by Ms Rigby - but assume it's just habit. It's certainly not the only instance in recent days, tbf.
    That Which Is Dead Can Never Die
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


    None of that oath taking or swearing on a holy book stuff, just 'Shake this hand' and you've got the gig.
    He has to kneel and kiss the hand, but they don't photograph that because it's a bit naff.
    I'm sure they've claimed in the past that the 'kiss hands' thing is no longer actually done, alas.
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    numbertwelve said:

    No “Liz resigning” photo? They’re trying to forget about it already?

    I dont think there ever is
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


    None of that oath taking or swearing on a holy book stuff, just 'Shake this hand' and you've got the gig.
    Properly British.

    “Are you up for running my Empire? Yes? Shake on it, then we can have lunch”.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    So how ballsy is Rishi going to be at PMQs tomorrow? It'd be hilarious if he says, to the inevitable calls for a GE, that he would definitely win it but now is not the time, and in any case no one wants the chaos of a Labour government.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,270
    Selebian said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    It just shows how brilliant Nicola Sturgeon is:

    "Congratulations to RishiSunak - I wish him well and, notwithstanding our political differences, will do my best to build a constructive working relationship with him in the interests of those we serve."

    "That he becomes the first British Asian to become PM is a genuinely significant moment. It certainly makes this a special Diwali"

    And then you go on to attack the policies, not the man nor his heritage nor his colour.
    I think it shows more how crap that Labour MP is. Sturgeon's approach should be the response of any sane, decent person.
    Yes it's not difficult to celebrate that aspect whilst attacking his politics. Although sometimes these comments are provoked in response to partisan hyperbole. Eg, "Sunak's ascent to PM shows the Tories are champions of diversity and that racism is dead and buried in Britain in 2022".
  • wooliedyed
    wooliedyed Posts: 12,801
    Malmesbury said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The new PM

    Aaron Chown/PA Wire https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1584855586805538816/photo/1


    None of that oath taking or swearing on a holy book stuff, just 'Shake this hand' and you've got the gig.
    Properly British.

    “Are you up for running my Empire? Yes? Shake on it, then we can have lunch”.
    Would you like a Highgrove stem ginger shortbread, Rishi?
  • MattW
    MattW Posts: 28,304
    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wrong kind of representation.....

    Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

    Cant help themselves. And wont be able to help themselves saying 'she shouldnt have said it but.......'
    TBF that's Nadia Whittome, so a daily faceplant is perhaps to be expected.

    The racist statements from Rupa Huq MP about Kwasi Kwarteng, which were a very similar claim of black people who she does not approve of not being real black people, were more concerning to me - firstly because it was done so casually, and secondly because she seemed to have no awareness whatsoever that there was an issue.

    I'd be expecting more occurrences until they adjust their values.
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    edited October 2022
    The $64,000 question is how close was Rishi Sunak to resigning his seat in parliament? I know he'd officially said that he wasn't going to, but in reality he may have been considering it.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    According to wiki the tallest PM was 6ft 4, Robert Arthur Talbot Gascoyne-Cecil, though No. 10 say it was Callaghan at 6ft 1.

    Truss was our least consequential PM, at 5ft 3, along with Spencer Perceval - not a good omen for the short Sunak.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Well, for all the economic turmoil and harm to the Conservatives, let us not forget that Truss did give me a 46 winner. So it's not all bad.
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    wooliedyed said:

    numbertwelve said:

    No “Liz resigning” photo? They’re trying to forget about it already?

    I dont think there ever is
    I remember a photo of Theresa May inside the palace when she was resigning.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    EXC: Jacob Rees-Mogg says he no longer believes Rishi Sunak is a "socialist" and would now serve in his Cabinet if asked.

    He urges Tory unity and warns party faces wipeout at the next GE.

    Tells @Telegraph he is proud of achievements as Business Secretary
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/jacob-rees-mogg-rishi-sunak-socialist-cabinet/
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited October 2022
    kle4 said:

    According to wiki the tallest PM was 6ft 4, Robert Arthur Talbot Gascoyne-Cecil, though No. 10 say it was Callaghan at 6ft 1.

    Truss was our least consequential PM, at 5ft 3, along with Spencer Perceval - not a good omen for the short Sunak.

    Possibly because Salisbury (to give him his title) was never First Lord of the Treasury? He was first Foreign Secretary and finally Lord Privy Seal.

    Also I think the last PM to have a beard - a rather imposing one.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. kle4, on the other hand, Basil II was, I think, fairly short, whereas the woeful Maximinus Thrax was something of a giant.
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