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I expect there'll be a longer speech in Downing Street tomorrow which he had better start practicing for.Stocky said:
Yes it was inadequate and a bit strange.RochdalePioneers said:Robot Rishi could be a problem. That isn't who he is at all! The genuine warmth and ability to do human which I have seen first hand needs to be put in front of the cameras, not what he has just done.
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On the horse thing, he made a point of being photographed riding horses, as a "man of the people" thing, but covered up the fact that he played golf cos that was posh abd elitist.Gardenwalker said:
The statue had him on horseback, flanked by a grateful “negro” and “red indian”.BartholomewRoberts said:
I must have missed that controversy, what's dodgy about Teddy Roosevelt?Gardenwalker said:I live opposite the Natural History Museum (although I’m moving shortly). It’s the one they used for the Night of the Museum movies.
They’ve toppled the admittedly dodgy Teddy Roosevelt statue outside as it is no longer considered appropriate, so Teddy ain’t turning up there anymore either.
Superb collection of stuffed animals in dioramas, though. Totally worth a visit or two.
I thought he was roundly, across the aisle, accepted as one of America's greatest Presidents? What's controversial that leads to status toppling?
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Would it not be a bit rude to launch into a big speech before seeing Charles?Stocky said:
Yes it was inadequate and a bit strange.RochdalePioneers said:Robot Rishi could be a problem. That isn't who he is at all! The genuine warmth and ability to do human which I have seen first hand needs to be put in front of the cameras, not what he has just done.
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Well said by Sarwar. He is growing on me.CarlottaVance said:While I strongly disagree with Rishi Sunak’s politics and question his mandate, it’s important to recognise the significance of Britain’s first Prime Minister of South Asian heritage.
It’s not something our grandparents would ever have imagined when they made the UK home.
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So sorry if I misread your commentNorthern_Al said:
Oh, Big G. My comment was so obviously a joke. Of course Sunak hasn't done anything yet.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not even PM yet, and you want to have a go much like the news presenters who expect him to provide the lecturn speech he will give tomorrow in front of no 10 once he has met CharlesNorthern_Al said:Very disappointing from Sunak so far. Nothing much seems to have changed.
At least Truss got on with it.
If anything else I hope we move into an era of grown up politics and media presentations, but will not hold my breath1 -
Rishi starts here
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Great! Promising Tory MPs low taxes combined with more spending, and growth through productivity combined with incentives to less-productive regions. Sorry, but Johnson can't take the blame for the cake eatery and havery.0
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The rapid turnovers have made it far easier to slip up about new PMs without the ceremonialsFlatlander said:
Would it not be a bit rude to launch into a big speech before seeing Charles?Stocky said:
Yes it was inadequate and a bit strange.RochdalePioneers said:Robot Rishi could be a problem. That isn't who he is at all! The genuine warmth and ability to do human which I have seen first hand needs to be put in front of the cameras, not what he has just done.
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Broken, sleazy Labour on the slide!wooliedyed said:Rishi starts here
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LAB: 56% (-1)
CON: 22% (=)
LDM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
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RFM: 3% (=)
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Best of luck!OldKingCole said:
Had a look at the website; didn't seem so there was anything posted recently. Or anything much! And what there was was up there with John Majors 'old maids cycling to evensong'.StillWaters said:
An extreme pressure group with 1,350 followers founded and led by a former columnist for the Express, the Star and the Daily Post.Scott_xP said:Extremely disappointing news that Penny Mordaunt has quit and that Rishi Sunak will be next Tory leader and Prime Minister. It's not what Conservative members want; nor what the country wants. We will have a globalist PM and the #MigrantCrisis and #IdentityCrisis will get worse. https://twitter.com/ruralconserv/status/1584536248642781185
I’m disappointed in you Scotty. Surely you can do better than that?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vyj1C8ogtE
In other news, personal news, I might not be around for a few days. Booked into hospital first thing tomorrow for a cervical decompression. Four vertebrae are involved and I won't be allowed out until I've got some mobility.
Play nicely while I'm away!0 -
That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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It's great. One of the great museums of the world. But my favourite in that neck of the woods remains Ellis Island. The Americans have made a superb job of that.Gardenwalker said:I live opposite the Natural History Museum (although I’m moving shortly). It’s the one they used for the Night of the Museum movies.
They’ve toppled the admittedly dodgy Teddy Roosevelt statue outside as it is no longer considered appropriate, so Teddy ain’t turning up there anymore either.
Superb collection of stuffed animals in dioramas, though. Totally worth a visit or two.0 -
The only way is up........Riiiiishi, it's you and me babewooliedyed said:Rishi starts here
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 56% (-1)
CON: 22% (=)
LDM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 4% (=)
RFM: 3% (=)
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Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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Has rupa huq tweeted any congratulatory remarks about our new 'proper' PM yet.......?3
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SKS fans please explain?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Broken, sleazy Labour on the slide!wooliedyed said:Rishi starts here
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 56% (-1)
CON: 22% (=)
LDM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 4% (=)
RFM: 3% (=)
Via @Omnisis, 21-22 Oct.
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Surely Andrea Leadsom, speaking as a mummy...Richard_Nabavi said:
Did you get a visitation from George Osborne as well?mwadams said:
No, but we had a visitation from both Nefertiti and Akhenaten. (I thoroughly recommend it, BTW, if you have kids.)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
See you survived your Night at the Museum. Did Teddy Roosevelt make an appearance?mwadams said:
Twitter is absolutely chockablock with that kind of frustrated frothing. It remains to be seen how many are actually members, and how many follow through.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The membership needs to go and join ReformUK or Farage while the party moves to the centreMexicanpete said:
Not so much with the Tory member vox poppers on 5live.CarlottaVance said:Enormous goodwill for Rishi Sunak coming out of the room. Charles Walker says: “If last Wed was a low point in politics, this was a high point.” MPs said he made a point of thanking and being gracious to all his predecessors (a marked contrast to Truss)
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/15845416141180518402 -
A perfect enemy to cultivate. The fact that it's insignificant doesn't really matter. He needs to rile a few noisy right wing zealots to prove he's not just a vanilla economist.StillWaters said:
An extreme pressure group with 1,350 followers founded and led by a former columnist for the Express, the Star and the Daily Post.Scott_xP said:Extremely disappointing news that Penny Mordaunt has quit and that Rishi Sunak will be next Tory leader and Prime Minister. It's not what Conservative members want; nor what the country wants. We will have a globalist PM and the #MigrantCrisis and #IdentityCrisis will get worse. https://twitter.com/ruralconserv/status/1584536248642781185
I’m disappointed in you Scotty. Surely you can do better than that?
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Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.1
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Hopefully the rest of the lyrics aren't prescient:Nigel_Foremain said:
The only way is up........Riiiiishi, it's you and me babewooliedyed said:Rishi starts here
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 56% (-1)
CON: 22% (=)
LDM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 4% (=)
RFM: 3% (=)
Via @Omnisis, 21-22 Oct.
Changes w/ 20 Oct.
But if we should be evicted
From our homes
We'll just move somewhere else
And still carry on
Now we may not know
Where our next meal is coming from
But with you by my side
I'll face what is to come2 -
Mrs DA says that Sunak's grandfather hails from what is now Pakistan. Said in the tone that most people normally reserve for describing Birmingham City fans.StillWaters said:
He’s as Indian as Johnson is Turkish…TOPPING said:
Thing is, we (normal ex-Cons members) used up a lot of our relief once Boris left and Liz took over. Yes we knew she would be bad but quite how catastrophically bad how quickly took us a bit by surprise.StuartDickson said:Is @Scott_xP voting Tory again yet?
As a result we are cautious about Rishi. Our loving the fact that Boris is no longer there has been watered down somewhat and our goodwill in less abundant supply.
Let's see what Rishi does - he was a leaver for example but maybe he realises the damage that that did (or perhaps he didn't really believe it in the first place). Either way, we have yet to see his true colours.
Can't speak for Scott, obvs.
I would also say that it is fantastic having someone of Indian origin as PM of the UK. We should all take a moment to ponder that.0 -
From underpants guy. Devastating.Scott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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"He doesn't sound Indian when I hear him on the radio!"felix said:Has Rupa Huq tweeted any congratulatory remarks about our new 'proper' PM yet.......?
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I think it works very for the mum, auntie, or gran struggling to move away from meat and two veg when feeding a younger relative and or friends.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
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Probably not close enough to Halloween for that.ydoethur said:
Surely Andrea Leadsom, speaking as a mummy...Richard_Nabavi said:
Did you get a visitation from George Osborne as well?mwadams said:
No, but we had a visitation from both Nefertiti and Akhenaten. (I thoroughly recommend it, BTW, if you have kids.)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
See you survived your Night at the Museum. Did Teddy Roosevelt make an appearance?mwadams said:
Twitter is absolutely chockablock with that kind of frustrated frothing. It remains to be seen how many are actually members, and how many follow through.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The membership needs to go and join ReformUK or Farage while the party moves to the centreMexicanpete said:
Not so much with the Tory member vox poppers on 5live.CarlottaVance said:Enormous goodwill for Rishi Sunak coming out of the room. Charles Walker says: “If last Wed was a low point in politics, this was a high point.” MPs said he made a point of thanking and being gracious to all his predecessors (a marked contrast to Truss)
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/15845416141180518400 -
House of Windsor? Doubtful!Eabhal said:I imagine KC3 is relieved. Tough trying to work out if Johnson had the confidence of the house.
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Eat nowt to help outwilliamglenn said:
Hopefully the rest of the lyrics aren't prescient:Nigel_Foremain said:
The only way is up........Riiiiishi, it's you and me babewooliedyed said:Rishi starts here
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 56% (-1)
CON: 22% (=)
LDM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 4% (=)
RFM: 3% (=)
Via @Omnisis, 21-22 Oct.
Changes w/ 20 Oct.
But if we should be evicted
From our homes
We'll just move somewhere else
And still carry on
Now we may not know
Where our next meal is coming from
But with you by my side
I'll face what is to come0 -
Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
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Clearly your mother even though she reads the Daily Mail is a shrewd judge of politicians.MoonRabbit said:Rabbit family update. FaceTime with dad and he has big broad smile on his face at long last. 😍
In the background, Daily Mail reading mother blames Gove for the mess of the last month 😁2 -
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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Sunak’s acceptance statement was wooden, generic and thus ominously reminiscent of Theresa May and Liz Truss. He will need more gusto than this to get party and country through the next months.
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Naughty!felix said:Has rupa huq tweeted any congratulatory remarks about our new 'proper' PM yet.......?
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Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!4 -
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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Tell Mrs DA Pakistan and India were once the same country.Dura_Ace said:
Mrs DA says that Sunak's grandfather hails from what is now Pakistan. Said in the tone that most people normally reserve for describing Birmingham City fans.StillWaters said:
He’s as Indian as Johnson is Turkish…TOPPING said:
Thing is, we (normal ex-Cons members) used up a lot of our relief once Boris left and Liz took over. Yes we knew she would be bad but quite how catastrophically bad how quickly took us a bit by surprise.StuartDickson said:Is @Scott_xP voting Tory again yet?
As a result we are cautious about Rishi. Our loving the fact that Boris is no longer there has been watered down somewhat and our goodwill in less abundant supply.
Let's see what Rishi does - he was a leaver for example but maybe he realises the damage that that did (or perhaps he didn't really believe it in the first place). Either way, we have yet to see his true colours.
Can't speak for Scott, obvs.
I would also say that it is fantastic having someone of Indian origin as PM of the UK. We should all take a moment to ponder that.0 -
Welsh don't count?WhisperingOracle said:Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.
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No one could do sincerity like Blair tbf.Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.4 -
I can't tell her anything.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Tell Mrs DA Pakistan and India were once the same country.Dura_Ace said:
Mrs DA says that Sunak's grandfather hails from what is now Pakistan. Said in the tone that most people normally reserve for describing Birmingham City fans.StillWaters said:
He’s as Indian as Johnson is Turkish…TOPPING said:
Thing is, we (normal ex-Cons members) used up a lot of our relief once Boris left and Liz took over. Yes we knew she would be bad but quite how catastrophically bad how quickly took us a bit by surprise.StuartDickson said:Is @Scott_xP voting Tory again yet?
As a result we are cautious about Rishi. Our loving the fact that Boris is no longer there has been watered down somewhat and our goodwill in less abundant supply.
Let's see what Rishi does - he was a leaver for example but maybe he realises the damage that that did (or perhaps he didn't really believe it in the first place). Either way, we have yet to see his true colours.
Can't speak for Scott, obvs.
I would also say that it is fantastic having someone of Indian origin as PM of the UK. We should all take a moment to ponder that.0 -
I have to say he was good earlier when taking questions from the press. Relaxed/jokey/clear.Scott_xP said:Sunak’s acceptance statement was wooden, generic and thus ominously reminiscent of Theresa May and Liz Truss. He will need more gusto than this to get party and country through the next months.
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Wasn't Braverman sacked for doing something improper? Surely the change of leader doesn't lessen her impropriety so if she was sacked she should remain sackedkle4 said:
Cleverly might get a job. He has less of a track record of being a fool.nico679 said:How will Sunak please all wings of the party with only so many high profile jobs available .
If Hunt needs to stay as COE and Wallace at defence .
The FO I think should go to Mordaunt .
Those who should be fired with no job . Cleverly , Mogg and Zahawi are at the top of the list .
He needs a headbanger, but Braverman really shouldn't get a job after quitting/sacking so soon. Patel failed too, so needs another option.3 -
Or absolute, irredeemable arsehole. He was a master of many guisesBenpointer said:
No one could do sincerity like Blair tbf.Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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What about Benjamin Disraeli?WhisperingOracle said:Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.
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He's British. Just like everyone else.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!5 -
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)0 -
Yea, it is easy to say that, but Labour does have a bit of diversity problem seeing as all their leaders throughout their history have been white middle-aged men.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!1 -
Witch is a ludicrous remark when all the shops are filled with pumpkins.DavidL said:
Probably not close enough to Halloween for that.ydoethur said:
Surely Andrea Leadsom, speaking as a mummy...Richard_Nabavi said:
Did you get a visitation from George Osborne as well?mwadams said:
No, but we had a visitation from both Nefertiti and Akhenaten. (I thoroughly recommend it, BTW, if you have kids.)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
See you survived your Night at the Museum. Did Teddy Roosevelt make an appearance?mwadams said:
Twitter is absolutely chockablock with that kind of frustrated frothing. It remains to be seen how many are actually members, and how many follow through.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The membership needs to go and join ReformUK or Farage while the party moves to the centreMexicanpete said:
Not so much with the Tory member vox poppers on 5live.CarlottaVance said:Enormous goodwill for Rishi Sunak coming out of the room. Charles Walker says: “If last Wed was a low point in politics, this was a high point.” MPs said he made a point of thanking and being gracious to all his predecessors (a marked contrast to Truss)
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/15845416141180518401 -
UPG has seriously impressed me over the last couple of years, as a commentator and on the FASC.wooliedyed said:
From underpants guy. Devastating.Scott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
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You're missing the point, it's taking the piss out of Labour's obsession with identity politics and, in particular, its relative failure to deliver.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!6 -
Likely to have had more Italian ancestors than anything else, and at the more unusual minimum at least half, if DNA studies of similar European jews are to be believed.Andy_JS said:
What about Benjamin Disraeli?WhisperingOracle said:Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.
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It's the thought that counts though...Nigel_Foremain said:
Yea, it is easy to say that, but Labour does have a bit of diversity problem seeing as all their leaders throughout their history have been white middle-aged men.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!0 -
We're a nationality not an ethnic group! Most of us are Caucasian although not by any means all.Carnyx said:
Welsh don't count?WhisperingOracle said:Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.
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I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?0 -
Middle aged is a generous description of Foot and CorbynNigel_Foremain said:
Yea, it is easy to say that, but Labour does have a bit of diversity problem seeing as all their leaders throughout their history have been white middle-aged men.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!4 -
Or even worse, Kermit the Frog.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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I am quite happy with sensible and boring for politicians. If I want to see a clown I'll go to a circus.Jonathan said:
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)1 -
The Moors of Spain might also have something to say on this. As would the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire.Andy_JS said:
What about Benjamin Disraeli?WhisperingOracle said:Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.
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The obsession with identity politics on this forum seems to come almost exclusively from the right, not the left.Driver said:.
You're missing the point, it's taking the piss out of Labour's obsession with identity politics and, in particular, its relative failure to deliver.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!2 -
Yes, he has matured with age and opposition.Ishmael_Z said:
UPG has seriously impressed me over the last couple of years, as a commentator and on the FASC.wooliedyed said:
From underpants guy. Devastating.Scott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Striking to think just how big a cock he was when Labour were in government.
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You have to deal with those who are available. These are arguments based on tiny numbers. If, when Labour get into power, they choose to appoint (say) Diane Abbott to high office simply for diversity reasons then it'll be a mistake.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yea, it is easy to say that, but Labour does have a bit of diversity problem seeing as all their leaders throughout their history have been white middle-aged men.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!
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I think you can kill two birds with one stone......Nigel_Foremain said:
I am quite happy with sensible and boring for politicians. If I want to see a clown I'll go to a circus.Jonathan said:
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hRwnXmdRCo0 -
Possibly Alan Johnson, although he wasn't there particularly long. The greatest of all, of course, was Roy Jenkins who changed this country so much for the better.BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?1 -
IIRC LlG was a native Brythonic speaker for his mother tongue as opposed to the assorted lot acrtoss the border. Anyway if that isn't enough these days then fair enough.ydoethur said:
We're a nationality not an ethnic group! Most of us are Caucasian although not by any means all.Carnyx said:
Welsh don't count?WhisperingOracle said:Interesting comments abound on European twitter that Varadkar was half-Irish. So Sunak is in fact indeed the first ethnic minority leader of any european country.
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Quite right on clowns, but national leaders can't afford to be completely boring if they want people to follow them.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am quite happy with sensible and boring for politicians. If I want to see a clown I'll go to a circus.Jonathan said:
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)0 -
Whitelaw as well?DavidL said:
Possibly Alan Johnson, although he wasn't there particularly long. The greatest of all, of course, was Roy Jenkins who changed this country so much for the better.BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?0 -
Anyone who has ever visited Stockholm will likely have seen the amazing Vasa warship, built 1626-28. An astonishing sight.
Well, marine archaeologists have just found her sister ship: Äpplet (’The Apple’). What are the chances?2 -
Starmer will be giving it a jolly good go from 2024.Jonathan said:
Quite right on clowns, but national leaders can't afford to be completely boring if they want people to follow them.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am quite happy with sensible and boring for politicians. If I want to see a clown I'll go to a circus.Jonathan said:
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)2 -
I don't disagree, and Starmer was their best person by a long way, but it must still get under their collective skins a bit that they can't seem to manage to put forward an intelligent electable person who is not white and male. That said I think Rachel Reeves could be a reasonable potential leader for themOmnium said:
You have to deal with those who are available. These are arguments based on tiny numbers. If, when Labour get into power, they choose to appoint (say) Diane Abbott to high office simply for diversity reasons then it'll be a mistake.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yea, it is easy to say that, but Labour does have a bit of diversity problem seeing as all their leaders throughout their history have been white middle-aged men.Dura_Ace said:Our tories seem to have made a late yet no less fervent conversion to the cause of identity politics today.
Look! He's Indian! These are our virtues and we must signal them!
(They have to appoint her as their greatest light!)1 -
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.6 -
An unsympathetic critique from Captain Underpants? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!Scott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/15845656631750983681 -
Well, if they were looking for her and knew roughly where she was, quite high I would have thought.StuartDickson said:Anyone who has ever visited Stockholm will likely have seen the amazing Vasa warship, built 1626-28. An astonishing sight.
Well, marine archaeologists have just found her sister ship: Äpplet (’The Apple’). What are the chances?2 -
More high level calls between Russia and Western officials:
@DefenceHQ
A statement on the Chief of the Defence Staff’s call with the Russian Chief of the General Staff, General of the Army Valery Vasilyevich Gerasimov
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/15845601703230177280 -
Jenkins?BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?0 -
"It's a continuation of the problems that the Conservatives have faced."
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner reacts to Rishi Sunak being selected as the next Tory party leader and PM.
Latest here: http://trib.al/UvZomA7
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1584571076960403456/video/10 -
Good grief - pretty substantial too judging from the photos on the Swedish media.StuartDickson said:Anyone who has ever visited Stockholm will likely have seen the amazing Vasa warship, built 1626-28. An astonishing sight.
Well, marine archaeologists have just found her sister ship: Äpplet (’The Apple’). What are the chances?0 -
Yes, he definitely gets a pass mark. Not many though. It is an incredibly difficult department to run and prone to producing far more than the average level of cockups.ydoethur said:
Whitelaw as well?DavidL said:
Possibly Alan Johnson, although he wasn't there particularly long. The greatest of all, of course, was Roy Jenkins who changed this country so much for the better.BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?0 -
When he comments on matters of substance he can be insightful & informative. When he's in the playground, not.Ishmael_Z said:
UPG has seriously impressed me over the last couple of years, as a commentator and on the FASC.wooliedyed said:
From underpants guy. Devastating.Scott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
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My favourite of all was the attempt to game Google by doing that interview where he said he makes model buses.ydoethur said:
Or even worse, Kermit the Frog.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
It is a delight that page 1 of Google results today nails him for the lie about introducing bus passes, implicates him in the £250m Brexit bus slogan, *and* ridicules him for his "bizarre" model bus building claim, if you plumb in 'Boris Johnson bus'.
Master communicator.1 -
Theodore Roosevelt was VERY big on White Man's Burden and pro-imperialism, whether by US or UK.Gardenwalker said:
The statue had him on horseback, flanked by a grateful “negro” and “red indian”.BartholomewRoberts said:
I must have missed that controversy, what's dodgy about Teddy Roosevelt?Gardenwalker said:I live opposite the Natural History Museum (although I’m moving shortly). It’s the one they used for the Night of the Museum movies.
They’ve toppled the admittedly dodgy Teddy Roosevelt statue outside as it is no longer considered appropriate, so Teddy ain’t turning up there anymore either.
Superb collection of stuffed animals in dioramas, though. Totally worth a visit or two.
I thought he was roundly, across the aisle, accepted as one of America's greatest Presidents? What's controversial that leads to status toppling?
Brownsville Affair also relevant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownsville_affair#:~:text=The Brownsville affair, or the,stationed at nearby Fort Brown.
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imperial_Cruise
Personally oppose iconoclasm. But zero surprise Teddy was target when toppling statues became all the rage.0 -
Clarke was Home Secretary as well of course for a time - just over a year.DavidL said:
Yes, he definitely gets a pass mark. Not many though. It is an incredibly difficult department to run and prone to producing far more than the average level of cockups.ydoethur said:
Whitelaw as well?DavidL said:
Possibly Alan Johnson, although he wasn't there particularly long. The greatest of all, of course, was Roy Jenkins who changed this country so much for the better.BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?
Edit - and of course he initiated many changes at Justice in 2010 with the intent of liberalising the system.3 -
Clement Attlee was pretty dull by all accounts. I believe Churchill described him as a humble man with much to be humble aboutFrancisUrquhart said:
Starmer will be giving it a jolly good go from 2024.Jonathan said:
Quite right on clowns, but national leaders can't afford to be completely boring if they want people to follow them.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am quite happy with sensible and boring for politicians. If I want to see a clown I'll go to a circus.Jonathan said:
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)1 -
Do they come in horse flavour?rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.
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Oh for goodness sake, get on with it!
Liz Truss has told colleagues she would like to hold one last cabinet on Tuesday morning. Rishi Sunak's supporters say he favours an orderly transfer of power. No 10 "can't be definitive" about who will do PMQs on Weds
https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/15845675972315914240 -
The Binyam Mohammed affair/MI5 stuff says no for meDavidL said:
Possibly Alan Johnson, although he wasn't there particularly long. The greatest of all, of course, was Roy Jenkins who changed this country so much for the better.BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?0 -
Neigh, surely notRichard_Tyndall said:
Do they come in horse flavour?rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.1 -
Also just watched. I guess he wanted carefully chosen words, but for something that short it would have been better to either do it off the cuff/from the heart or at least read the autocue in a way that made it look like it was.Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Still, if the worst that we can say is that he's a bit wooden, he's not doing too badly. No spooking of the markets or breaking of his own laws just yet
'Wooden' when you're up against Starmer is not that big a problem anyway, to be fair.2 -
Tesco Value, of course, hasn't existed for years.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.
The cheapest Tesco pork sausages are 53% pork.0 -
Rishi's acceptance speech was really quite wooden. I wish him well, but he's not the greatest telly, to put it mildly.0
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Rishi Sunak totally blanks Matt Hancock. [VIDEO]
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/15845558520940052480 -
Churchill was always rather indignant about that, because he didn't. In fact, he rated Attlee highly for all he could make silly remarks about Gestapos.Nigel_Foremain said:
Clement Attlee was pretty dull by all accounts. I believe Churchill described him as a humble man with much to be humble aboutFrancisUrquhart said:
Starmer will be giving it a jolly good go from 2024.Jonathan said:
Quite right on clowns, but national leaders can't afford to be completely boring if they want people to follow them.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am quite happy with sensible and boring for politicians. If I want to see a clown I'll go to a circus.Jonathan said:
I did. It was mad, but it wasn't boring.Nigel_Foremain said:
Seriously? Did you not see the Peppa Pig episode?Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Sunak set a similar tone to the voice on the tannoy that comes on after a concert telling you the party's over and it's time for everyone to go home. Maybe that is what he intended. :-)
I think it was Duff Cooper who said however 'an empty taxi drew up and Clement Attlee got out.'1 -
Also unlike Truss, Sunak has done loads of interviews over the past few years and he usually comes off somewhere between fine and well. However, obviously its much easier when you are giving sweeties out rather than taking them away. Rishi problems have normally come when he has tried to go out into the real world and do a photo-op, which is quite different to doing the Westminster interviews and as PM something you do a lot less (other than obvious Boris who just did hi-viz vest and no actual work).Selebian said:
Also just watched. I guess he wanted carefully chosen words, but for something that short it would have been better to either do it off the cuff/from the heart or at least read the autocue in a way that made it look like it was.Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1584565663175098368
Still, if the worst that we can say is that he's a bit wooden, he's not doing too badly. No spooking of the markets or breaking of his own laws just yet
'Wooden' when you're up against Starmer is not that big a problem anyway, to be fair.0 -
Can you employ some of that renowned Wykehamist intellect to let us know what exactly an Indian is supposed to be in your view.StillWaters said:
He’s as Indian as Johnson is Turkish…TOPPING said:
Thing is, we (normal ex-Cons members) used up a lot of our relief once Boris left and Liz took over. Yes we knew she would be bad but quite how catastrophically bad how quickly took us a bit by surprise.StuartDickson said:Is @Scott_xP voting Tory again yet?
As a result we are cautious about Rishi. Our loving the fact that Boris is no longer there has been watered down somewhat and our goodwill in less abundant supply.
Let's see what Rishi does - he was a leaver for example but maybe he realises the damage that that did (or perhaps he didn't really believe it in the first place). Either way, we have yet to see his true colours.
Can't speak for Scott, obvs.
I would also say that it is fantastic having someone of Indian origin as PM of the UK. We should all take a moment to ponder that.0 -
Imagine. Scientists spend years carefully replicating the texture and taste of real, prime meat and the product bombs because it tastes nothing like a 'real' sausage.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.1 -
So @rcs1000 is right about the meat content?Driver said:
Tesco Value, of course, hasn't existed for years.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.
The cheapest Tesco pork sausages are 53% pork.0 -
Clarke was worse than Blunkett. IDcards, restrictive on trial by jury stuff etcydoethur said:
Clarke was Home Secretary as well of course for a time - just over a year.DavidL said:
Yes, he definitely gets a pass mark. Not many though. It is an incredibly difficult department to run and prone to producing far more than the average level of cockups.ydoethur said:
Whitelaw as well?DavidL said:
Possibly Alan Johnson, although he wasn't there particularly long. The greatest of all, of course, was Roy Jenkins who changed this country so much for the better.BartholomewRoberts said:
I can't think of any liberally minded, independent thinkers at the Home Office any time I've been following politics.DavidL said:
We so need a liberally minded, independent thinker at the Home Office which has not quite recovered from Theresa May's baleful influence. I would love to see what someone like Gove could do with it.nico679 said:Short and sweet . I really don’t care he gave a one minute statement , we don’t need half an hour of vacuous guff , he’s not Bozo.
Still I’ll give him a chance unless he puts the stain on humanity as HS.
Straw and Blunkett etc were major authoritarians in the job too.
Who was the last liberally minded Home Secretary do you think?
Edit - and of course he initiated many changes at Justice in 2010 with the intent of liberalising the system.
Jacqui Smith with 42 day detention...
Labour had some right nutters2 -
Sometimes, talking at cross purposes unearths interesting details!Carnyx said:
So it does, and also a life reconstruction model (squids being rather squishy and needing lots of pickling liquid).Gardenwalker said:
I googled it, apparently the AMNH does indeed have a giant squid, fished up in NZ waters of all places…Carnyx said:
Are we discussing the same museum? I was thinking the American Museum of Natural History in NY but the squid reminds me of the NHM in South Ken.Gardenwalker said:
Haven’t discovered that yet!mwadams said:
Daughter loves the model of the giant squid in the out-of-the-way anteroom (which is also conveniently located for the cafe that is usually empty because no-one knows it is there.)Gardenwalker said:I live opposite the Natural History Museum (although I’m moving shortly). It’s the one they used for the Night of the Museum movies.
They’ve toppled the admittedly dodgy Teddy Roosevelt statue outside as it is no longer considered appropriate, so Teddy ain’t turning up there anymore either.
Superb collection of stuffed animals in dioramas, though. Totally worth a visit or two.1 -
The more the contrast between Rishi and de Pfeffel, the better for the former. And NOT just for Sunak.Jonathan said:
Just watched it, it was a little strange reading sincerity straight off the autocue. He'll need to work on that. Boris is a hard act to follow on the comms side of the job.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ridiculous commentScott_xP said:That was really weird. There’s a hint of Truss about Sunak. Oh dear oh dear.
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Thanks for that. If I ever think that having a Labour government might not be that bad, I just have to watch Angela Rayner for about 3 or 4 seconds and I am cured of that misunderstandingScott_xP said:"It's a continuation of the problems that the Conservatives have faced."
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner reacts to Rishi Sunak being selected as the next Tory party leader and PM.
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And yet quite unintelligent animals produce real, prime meat with no effort at all.Selebian said:
Imagine. Scientists spend years carefully replicating the texture and taste of real, prime meat and the product bombs because it tastes nothing like a 'real' sausage.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that Beyond sausages contain almost exactly the same amount of meat as Tesco values ones.Nigelb said:
How would you know if you're a vegetarian ?Driver said:
Right, but fake meat doesn't taste like meat.kle4 said:
They might like the taste of meat but have moral issues with it.Driver said:
Thing I don't understand is why a vegetarian/vegan would want to eat fake meat when there's so much proper vegetarian/vegan food available.wooliedyed said:
Most 'plant based' stuff is heavily processed unhealthy shit. Its a massive conping said:Just had a “McPlant” for the first time.
Not impressed. If you’re tempted, I wouldn’t bother.
There is much better/tastier/healthier vegetarian/vegan food out there.
Not even worth the £1.39 I paid for it. Normal price nearer £4.
Processed shite.
The Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers are surprisingly edible, and quite cheap.
I occasionally join the vegetarians in my family in eating them.
Ditto the sausages, which I actually prefer when ordering cooked breakfasts, as most greasy spoon sausages are crap.1
