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So HM comes in and proclaims “ lock the doors, there are going to be some changes round here. I am in charge. Release the hounds “.
Meanwhile it’s good to see Gordon Brown bending Boris’ ear.4 -
The Brown-Blair body language is fun.1
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It looks black.BartholomewRoberts said:Brown looks like he's really aged, hope he's OK. Cameron looks odd being the only one not wearing black.
But the archbishops aren’t wearing black.0 -
Blair chatting with SKS... the Corbynites won't like that one bit.2
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And makes the complaints a bit misdirected, since individual discretion puts it squarely on those exercising the discretion.rcs1000 said:
What an exceptionally well judged announcement.CarlottaVance said:Organisations thinking for themselves! Whatever next?
This is what Buckingham Palace has announced:
There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.
If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance#major-events-entertainment-and-sports0 -
My daughter doesn't understand. She's almost four. But too young, I think.
I've told her what's happened and we are seeing the announcement of the new King. But she keeps saying, "where's the Queen? I want the Queen to come out too."
Choked up a bit.4 -
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It wasn't that left-handedness was unacceptable, but that writing with the left hand was impractical given the ink in use at the time, which would have been smeared across the page by a trailing left hand.BartholomewRoberts said:
I doubt there's ever been any before, considering that in the past being left handed was something that was driven out of people.MarqueeMark said:
I fully expect pb.com to tell me the last five left handed monarchs. National and international.LostPassword said:I didn't know William was left-handed.
My grandad is left handed but he had his hand tied behind his back so he would learn to write with his correct, right hand instead. This was during WWII.
Another odd and unmentioned sign of how much has changed during HMQ's reign, that left handedness is now so acceptable.
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I've got a bad back this morning.Theuniondivvie said:
Why are royalists so angry?Casino_Royale said:
Give me strength.Taz said:BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !
They said "it's from another age" as well.
It's from this age as well.
It doesn't change. That's precisely the bloody point.1 -
It's always interesting to consider the road not travelled. Charles Stuart could well have won in 1745.biggles said:
Fair point on the Hanoverians. It’s that interesting window where we were the country being pushed around and played by other European empires, but no one likes to talk about it.Carnyx said:
Don't know - arguably they made a big mnistake turning back at Derby, as there was so little left to protect London. The Hanoverian dynasty was also alien from the locals' point of view.biggles said:
I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.Carnyx said:
Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.El_Capitano said:Third like Charles III.
But there was also the option of ignoring England and remaining in Scotland - declaring the Treaty of Union null and void (which it was of course from his dynastic point of view).
Of course, as you say, it could have ended up with revolutions in both Scotland and/or England, albeit for somewhat different reasons (as indeed happened with his great-grandfather Charles 1, who triggered both).1 -
No longer as sinister as it once was....BartholomewRoberts said:
I doubt there's ever been any before, considering that in the past being left handed was something that was driven out of people.MarqueeMark said:
I fully expect pb.com to tell me the last five left handed monarchs. National and international.LostPassword said:I didn't know William was left-handed.
My grandad is left handed but he had his hand tied behind his back so he would learn to write with his correct, right hand instead. This was during WWII.
Another odd and unmentioned sign of how much has changed during HMQ's reign, that left handedness is now so acceptable.2 -
Looks blue to me, I meant the only politician. The Archbishops etc of course are in very different clothing.TheScreamingEagles said:
It looks black.BartholomewRoberts said:Brown looks like he's really aged, hope he's OK. Cameron looks odd being the only one not wearing black.
But the archbishops aren’t wearing black.0 -
I do feel this is a bit barbaric.
Let them grieve in private.
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Charles commits to pay an effective tax rate of 75%.0
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So do you think it should have been left up to individual clubs? If Mansfield Town and Bradford City decided they wanted to play today, should they have been allowed to?algarkirk said:
Respectfully disagree. It's not important enough to bother politics with. Discretion and difference of mind is part of a free society. Accept it all tolerantly.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.
The point is, there isn't really discretion here. It's not like post-Hillsborough when Liverpool were allowed time before resuming playing.0 -
Passport blue perchance?BartholomewRoberts said:
Looks blue to me, I meant the only politician. The Archbishops etc of course are in very different clothing.TheScreamingEagles said:
It looks black.BartholomewRoberts said:Brown looks like he's really aged, hope he's OK. Cameron looks odd being the only one not wearing black.
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As I recall various commentators were saying that the Russians had one more offensive of reserves left.Leon said:rcs1000 said:On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.
Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.
But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.
If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
They were jeered at by the usual suspects.
The Russians had their offensive.
This is the Ukrainian counter offensive.
100 Days Offensive comes to mind…0 -
And if they weren't here you'd say 'If they cannot do their duty they should step down'?TheScreamingEagles said:I do feel this is a bit barbaric.
Let them grieve in private.2 -
I was too big to get down into the tunnels! It wasn't my height but my girth!! But you're right about the claustrophobia, and and my thoughts about the result of the war were very much the same as yours; I said to the guide afterwards that I now knew exactly why the Vietcong won!MarqueeMark said:
First level tunnels? Or did you go down to the second level as well? Damn, that was claustrophobic! And the humidity was unbearable.OldKingCole said:
On our first (and only) trip to Vietnam we were taken around the Chu Chi tunnels. Impressive.Leon said:
I actually read that on my first trip to Vietnamnorthern_monkey said:FPT
If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_LieLeon said:@Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front
Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves
In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily
But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable
Won a Pulitzer.
Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.
For me the best book about the war - and there are dozens of excellent examples - is Caputo’s “A Rumor of War”
https://www.amazon.com/Rumor-War-Classic-Vietnam-Anniversary/dp/1250117127
And I had the chance to do some target practice with a Klashnikoff AK 47.
It brought it home that the Americans were never going to win against an army that was so innovative - and would endure that level of privation.2 -
He’s not taking the money. What more could be more important?TheScreamingEagles said:I do feel this is a bit barbaric.
Let them grieve in private.0 -
true protestant religion
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I was told my parents were encouraged to stop me being left handed (1950s) They didn't (or if they did it didn't work), although by the nature of life I am right handed where there weren't alternatives at the time (scissors, peelers, playing cards)BartholomewRoberts said:
I doubt there's ever been any before, considering that in the past being left handed was something that was driven out of people.MarqueeMark said:
I fully expect pb.com to tell me the last five left handed monarchs. National and international.LostPassword said:I didn't know William was left-handed.
My grandad is left handed but he had his hand tied behind his back so he would learn to write with his correct, right hand instead. This was during WWII.
Another odd and unmentioned sign of how much has changed during HMQ's reign, that left handedness is now so acceptable.1 -
Still doesn’t make up for all the years they didn’t pay income tax.Driver said:Charles commits to pay an effective tax rate of 75%.
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A new psychedelic for Leon? ‘Toad’ - sounds like something Chris Morris would’ve come up with. Intriguing though. Patrick Cox is a fan: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/sep/10/celebrity-shoe-designer-patrick-cox-on-his-psychedelic-toad-awakening0
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The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican1
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You are funny. Especially the way you leave the stress sign in, as if teaching beginner language students.BlancheLivermore said:After the Russian Revolution, Dynamo Moscow was run by the head of the Cheka - the Soviet Union's first secret police force
So to fans of other clubs, Dynamo was known as Mу́сора (musora) which is the plural of му́сор, the word for garbage and a derogatory term for police0 -
The Six Days Counter-offensive?Malmesbury said:
As I recall various commentators were saying that the Russians had one more offensive of reserves left.Leon said:rcs1000 said:On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.
Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.
But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.
If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
They were jeered at by the usual suspects.
The Russians had their offensive.
This is the Ukrainian counter offensive.
100 Days Offensive comes to mind…0 -
SymbolicHYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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I'm not concerned that Will is left handed, but he seems to hold the pen in very awkward fashion.0
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Tell her "We all do...."Casino_Royale said:My daughter doesn't understand. She's almost four. But too young, I think.
I've told her what's happened and we are seeing the announcement of the new King. But she keeps saying, "where's the Queen? I want the Queen to come out too."
Choked up a bit.3 -
Never knew Prince William was left handed1
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Most people would be thrilled to enjoy the kind of lifestyle that Harry was given by his family.Dynamo said:
You'll love Harry's book launch. Especially if it's at the Al Fayed place in Finland.Sandpit said:
He could have chosen to withdraw from public life and work hard for his charities and causes.Stuartinromford said:
Hmm. Arguably Harry identified the right question (what does the Spare Heir do once they're not needed any more?) and had a better answer than his uncles (get the hell out of Dodge and do something else with the rest of his life).Casino_Royale said:
I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
But, they've shot their bolt now.
Which is not the answer that the tabloids wanted. And some of the fuckups on the way have been blown up into great evil as a result.
Instead, he (and his wife) has built his ‘career’ on criticising his own family - something which was quickly wearing off before the events of this week.
Why shouldn't a person criticise family members if they've treated them like absolute dirt? In real life, people do it all the time. Who TF does the king think he is?
I wonder whether Harry will be allowed to his grandmother's funeral.1 -
This is a bloody strong oath to the Church of Scotland.3
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Is one to be held accountable for the actions of one's forebears, or for their own decisions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Still doesn’t make up for all the years they didn’t pay income tax.Driver said:Charles commits to pay an effective tax rate of 75%.
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Quite a few Vietnamese say the Vietcong lost. They were slaughtered in the Tet offensive and elsewhere. The war was won by the conventional NVA. Which was rather convenient for Hanoi, in some ways.OldKingCole said:
I was too big to get down into the tunnels! It wasn't my height but my girth!! But you're right about the claustrophobia, and and my thoughts about the result of the war were very much the same as yours; I said to the guide afterwards that I now knew exactly why the Vietcong won!MarqueeMark said:
First level tunnels? Or did you go down to the second level as well? Damn, that was claustrophobic! And the humidity was unbearable.OldKingCole said:
On our first (and only) trip to Vietnam we were taken around the Chu Chi tunnels. Impressive.Leon said:
I actually read that on my first trip to Vietnamnorthern_monkey said:FPT
If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_LieLeon said:@Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front
Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves
In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily
But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable
Won a Pulitzer.
Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.
For me the best book about the war - and there are dozens of excellent examples - is Caputo’s “A Rumor of War”
https://www.amazon.com/Rumor-War-Classic-Vietnam-Anniversary/dp/1250117127
And I had the chance to do some target practice with a Klashnikoff AK 47.
It brought it home that the Americans were never going to win against an army that was so innovative - and would endure that level of privation.0 -
Was the Reformation under threat?HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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All Charles. Third of his name. King of the Gammons and the Micra Drivers. Owner of Fat Fingers. Shagger of Audrey Roberts Impersonator.HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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Nicola Sturgeon has signed too0
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Are we sure that's a Bible? It looks like he's taking a selfie...
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At least they haven't invited Chomsky.kle4 said:
It will probably just naturally morph into an event about Palestine anyway.Leon said:
Oh for sure. Hitchens is the equally sour mirror image of O’BrienSean_F said:
There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."Leon said:Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?
I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage
Both sides have their pro Putin voices, too
I see the Labour Party conference fringe is having a “stop the Ukraine war” event with Corbyn and Andrew Murray and the usual vile Trots. Have they invited any actual Ukrainians? No
But they have invited someone from the Muslim Council of GB
https://twitter.com/stwuk/status/1567539083026604034?s=46&t=bj1XbN0cCzU4ZmqCirE4Mg
Then it would be "In America, they lynch negroes."0 -
Mt Hyfud,
"If it was left to young people Corbyn would now be PM." And Putin would be in Kyiv.
But even the most naive knew he a wrong 'un.0 -
Yes, Hanoverian regime was novel and not stable.Sean_F said:
It's always interesting to consider the road not travelled. Charles Stuart could well have won in 1745.biggles said:
Fair point on the Hanoverians. It’s that interesting window where we were the country being pushed around and played by other European empires, but no one likes to talk about it.Carnyx said:
Don't know - arguably they made a big mnistake turning back at Derby, as there was so little left to protect London. The Hanoverian dynasty was also alien from the locals' point of view.biggles said:
I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.Carnyx said:
Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.El_Capitano said:Third like Charles III.
But there was also the option of ignoring England and remaining in Scotland - declaring the Treaty of Union null and void (which it was of course from his dynastic point of view).
Of course, as you say, it could have ended up with revolutions in both Scotland and/or England, albeit for somewhat different reasons (as indeed happened with his great-grandfather Charles 1, who triggered both).
It could have cut and run like James II in 1688.0 -
That you have to ask shows how effective the secret plot was. Thank goodness Charles sniffed it out.Theuniondivvie said:
Was the Reformation under threat?HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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Yes, I thought she looked and sounded far more impressive than La Truss, who looked like some uncanny mannequin.Casino_Royale said:Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
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Good Twitter thread, updated through the day, on the collapse of Russian forces in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/threshedthought/status/1568509746268848128?s=21&t=2_klis10nnsPs8V4ZqijFQ1 -
Charles I would imagine is quite High Church like his previous namesake and more Anglo Catholic than his more austere motherTheuniondivvie said:
Was the Reformation under threat?HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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He benefited from it.kle4 said:
Is one to be held accountable for the actions of one's forebears, or for their own decisions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Still doesn’t make up for all the years they didn’t pay income tax.Driver said:Charles commits to pay an effective tax rate of 75%.
How much inheritance tax will the Queen’s estate be paying?
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Charles 1 ?HYUFD said:
Charles I would imagine is quite high Church like his previous namesake and more Anglo Catholic than his more austere motherTheuniondivvie said:
Was the Reformation under threat?HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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Camilla trying not to laugh at this point in terms of the Great Seal proclamations I think2
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I don't know, have your MP raise it in Parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:
He benefited from it.kle4 said:
Is one to be held accountable for the actions of one's forebears, or for their own decisions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Still doesn’t make up for all the years they didn’t pay income tax.Driver said:Charles commits to pay an effective tax rate of 75%.
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I imagine the scent of incense would have been a clue..kle4 said:
That you have to ask shows how effective the secret plot was. Thank goodness Charles sniffed it out.Theuniondivvie said:
Was the Reformation under threat?HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
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Things are looking up for seal-makers.12
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This is a posh do. I wager the caterers have chicken goujons and those mini burgers.8
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At the moment the process resembles Epping Town Council's approval process3
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I assume the counter reformation forces will be quaking in their boots.HYUFD said:The Reformation stands. The King has promised to defend and secure the Protestant religion in both England and Scotland not return us to Rome and the Vatican
Ironic that we could soon have an Italian PM who considers herself a Tory and disciple of Roger Scruton.1 -
It’s interesting to see the constraints placed on the monarch.0
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Day of State Funeral approved to be a Bank Holiday0
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Bank holiday incoming!0
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Bank Holiday for the funeral.1
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Unfortunately convention doesn’t allow them to do so.kle4 said:
I don't know, have your MP raise it in Parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:
He benefited from it.kle4 said:
Is one to be held accountable for the actions of one's forebears, or for their own decisions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Still doesn’t make up for all the years they didn’t pay income tax.Driver said:Charles commits to pay an effective tax rate of 75%.
How much inheritance tax will the Queen’s estate be paying?
I shall put in a FOI request.
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Penny’s doing well here, not an easy job to go through the motions and read carefully a lot of very archaic documentation.3
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This is all somewhat long winded.0
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Was George I even in the country? I seem to recall being told he spent quite a lot of time in Hanover.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, Hanoverian regime was novel and not stable.Sean_F said:
It's always interesting to consider the road not travelled. Charles Stuart could well have won in 1745.biggles said:
Fair point on the Hanoverians. It’s that interesting window where we were the country being pushed around and played by other European empires, but no one likes to talk about it.Carnyx said:
Don't know - arguably they made a big mnistake turning back at Derby, as there was so little left to protect London. The Hanoverian dynasty was also alien from the locals' point of view.biggles said:
I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.Carnyx said:
Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.El_Capitano said:Third like Charles III.
But there was also the option of ignoring England and remaining in Scotland - declaring the Treaty of Union null and void (which it was of course from his dynastic point of view).
Of course, as you say, it could have ended up with revolutions in both Scotland and/or England, albeit for somewhat different reasons (as indeed happened with his great-grandfather Charles 1, who triggered both).
It could have cut and run like James II in 1688.
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Liz Truss was clearly trying to shunt Penny Mordaunt into a role that sidelined her.
She's ended up giving her a bigger and more historically significant role than she has as PM today.4 -
History in the making today1
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The Ukrainian Kharkiv adventure get ever more spectacular in the speed of their advance.
When the picture was shown with them on the very outskirts of Kupyansk I treated it with caution it deserved. Now they have photos from the centre of town.3 -
Feel sorry for Mark Spencer.Casino_Royale said:Liz Truss was clearly trying to shunt Penny Mordaunt into a role that sidelined her.
She's ended up giving her a bigger and more historically significant role than she has as PM today.0 -
Charles' fingers look very bloated or inflamed. What's going on there?0
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Stress signs or not, I thought it was quite a nice historical and football related way of pointing out that Dynamo = garbageDynamo said:
You are funny. Especially the way you leave the stress sign in, as if teaching beginner language students.BlancheLivermore said:After the Russian Revolution, Dynamo Moscow was run by the head of the Cheka - the Soviet Union's first secret police force
So to fans of other clubs, Dynamo was known as Mу́сора (musora) which is the plural of му́сор, the word for garbage and a derogatory term for police
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Normal Charles fingers.jamesdoyle said:Charles' fingers look very bloated or inflamed. What's going on there?
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The detailed question you ask is an entirely internal matter to football. Maybe the FA has the authority to act and decree for all its members. Maybe not. Whatever, it isn't part of government or constitution and it is trivial in the scheme of things.tlg86 said:
So do you think it should have been left up to individual clubs? If Mansfield Town and Bradford City decided they wanted to play today, should they have been allowed to?algarkirk said:
Respectfully disagree. It's not important enough to bother politics with. Discretion and difference of mind is part of a free society. Accept it all tolerantly.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.
The point is, there isn't really discretion here. It's not like post-Hillsborough when Liverpool were allowed time before resuming playing.
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And Boris then sneeks away having just flung a final chip at TheresaTheuniondivvie said:1 -
Typical of the triumph of the #patriarchy that a woman is replaced by a white male, who then changes the national anthem to be all about himself, and they say that #meghan is self obsessed...Casino_Royale said:Oh God, spare me the Woke takes about white men and Diversity.
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Does that mean the cricket is cancelled in Kupyansk as well? I fear for our mutual friend…Alistair said:The Ukrainian Kharkiv adventure get ever more spectacular in the speed of their advance.
When the picture was shown with them on the very outskirts of Kupyansk I treated it with caution it deserved. Now they have photos from the centre of town.
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Has anyone checked what Charles’ preferred pronouns are?Foxy said:
Typical of the triumph of the #patriarchy that a woman is replaced by a white male, whoCasino_Royale said:Oh God, spare me the Woke takes about white men and Diversity.
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The FA had fucked up? The bunch who decided that “Fit and Proper” includes literal, actual war criminals?algarkirk said:
The detailed question you ask is an entirely internal matter to football. Maybe the FA has the authority to act and decree for all its members. Maybe not. Whatever, it isn't part of government or constitution and it is trivial in the scheme of things.tlg86 said:
So do you think it should have been left up to individual clubs? If Mansfield Town and Bradford City decided they wanted to play today, should they have been allowed to?algarkirk said:
Respectfully disagree. It's not important enough to bother politics with. Discretion and difference of mind is part of a free society. Accept it all tolerantly.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.
The point is, there isn't really discretion here. It's not like post-Hillsborough when Liverpool were allowed time before resuming playing.
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Out of curiosity I went back and read the first dedicated PB thread after the initial Russian invasion. I am somewhat impressed by our measured, resolute and prescient commentary. Quite a few PB-ers were predicting energy crises right from the start. Nobody really embarrasses themselves. Well done us
But I did find an absolute stone cold classic from @Roger
His first reaction to the Ukraine war?
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But my view is that football has only done it because it is expected to do it. The posho sports are much more bolshy when it comes to this sort of thing.algarkirk said:
The detailed question you ask is an entirely internal matter to football. Maybe the FA has the authority to act and decree for all its members. Maybe not. Whatever, it isn't part of government or constitution and it is trivial in the scheme of things.tlg86 said:
So do you think it should have been left up to individual clubs? If Mansfield Town and Bradford City decided they wanted to play today, should they have been allowed to?algarkirk said:
Respectfully disagree. It's not important enough to bother politics with. Discretion and difference of mind is part of a free society. Accept it all tolerantly.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.
The point is, there isn't really discretion here. It's not like post-Hillsborough when Liverpool were allowed time before resuming playing.
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Well, we've had rain, and the allotment needs attention!BartholomewRoberts said:Interesting seeing Alex Salmond at a state event. And Howard and Hague are both there too, and so it seems only Corbyn isn't.
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Oh no - on his way out?jamesdoyle said:Charles' fingers look very bloated or inflamed. What's going on there?
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I recall him saying, as he headed to Cannes (I think) that the mood there would be very down, since a number of people had lost their yachts as a result of sanctions.Leon said:Out of curiosity I went back and read the first dedicated PB thread after the initial Russian invasion. I am somewhat impressed by our measured, resolute and prescient commentary. Quite a few PB-ers were predicting energy crises right from the start. Nobody really embarrasses themselves. Well done us
But I did find an absolute stone cold classic from @Roger
His first reaction to the Ukraine war?
“Time for NATO to disband.“
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Why? They are going to make a fortune from providing the party food for the wake.tlg86 said:
Feel sorry for Mark Spencer.Casino_Royale said:Liz Truss was clearly trying to shunt Penny Mordaunt into a role that sidelined her.
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He’s got a ‘Stop the War’ event to speak at later today.BartholomewRoberts said:Interesting seeing Alex Salmond at a state event. And Howard and Hague are both there too, and so it seems only Corbyn isn't.
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