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Why’s crickets still going ahead but not football? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited September 15 in General
Why’s crickets still going ahead but not football? – politicalbetting.com

The terror of being trolled by morally bankrupt newspaper editors has prompted many organisations & institutions to cancel events that should clearly be going ahead. This tyranny of bullies who routinely whine about ‘cancel culture’ & profess their ‘patriotism’ insults us all.

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    Would that be League Cricket and Union Cricket?
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,078
    edited September 10
    Third like Charles III.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994

    Third like Charles III.

    Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.
  • pingping Posts: 2,659
    FPT;
    ping said:

    Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.

    Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall!

    If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 53,486
    Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,112
    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 45,341
    A Russian Telegram channel is saying that Izyum has fallen. Astonishing if true.

    Battle of Cannae: best battle of all time.

    Battle of Kherson: hold my gorilka...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,489
    I was at a black tie dinner last night with a mix of young and old. They asked us all to sing God Save the King at the end and it was the most cringiest thing I’ve ever witnessed.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244
    Because football is a game, whereas cricket is so much more.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    Bit of an incendiary header, Mike. :smile:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Why are republicans so angry?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 56,044
    Organisations thinking for themselves! Whatever next?

    This is what Buckingham Palace has announced:

    There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.

    If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance#major-events-entertainment-and-sports

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244

    A Russian Telegram channel is saying that Izyum has fallen. Astonishing if true.

    Battle of Cannae: best battle of all time.

    Battle of Kherson: hold my gorilka...

    Where actually is the Russian army?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 78,847
    Because different organisations take different decisions sometimes. That's what happens with judgement calls, people make different judgements. Not sure why that causes such apoplexy.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,364
    Because football is institutionally stupid, and loses no oppprtunity to arrange things orders of magnitude worse than other sports.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 78,847

    I was at a black tie dinner last night with a mix of young and old. They asked us all to sing God Save the King at the end and it was the most cringiest thing I’ve ever witnessed.

    Ever seen an office cajoled into singing someone happy birthday in front of others?
  • Is the answer to the question posed in the header simply that "the next day" was cancelled, which for cricket was Friday, for football Saturday? Mind you, racing cancelled Friday and Saturday.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    algarkirk said:

    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.

    I didn’t realise his audience was anywhere near so large.
    He apparently still makes a living out of it, though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536

    I am delighted that the FA has postponed Tottenham's encounter with Haaland. It's what the Queen would have wanted.

    I don't agree with suspending the football - which is, in any event, probably the most mawkish game out there - but I think that's different from cancelling or dialling down a programme of national events and commemorations of constitutional significance covered by the national broadcaster.

    My experience, both at work, home, locally and with my friends, is that this is on virtually everyone's minds, with one or naysayers, and most are feeling some level of sombreness and emotion over it. Some will mourn more personally than others, and it's hit me hard, but we are all thinking about it.

    Time and time again I read about the monarchy that no-one's interested and no-one cares (we had it most recently over the Platinum Jubilee) and it's always the same people: they're basically projecting sentiments about themselves, not others.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    biggles said:

    A Russian Telegram channel is saying that Izyum has fallen. Astonishing if true.

    Battle of Cannae: best battle of all time.

    Battle of Kherson: hold my gorilka...

    Where actually is the Russian army?
    Some of the best bits got sent to reinforce Kherson.
    Where they’re now bottled up.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,797
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.

    I didn’t realise his audience was anywhere near so large.
    He apparently still makes a living out of it, though.
    I never have to hit the off button because I never listen. I have listened in the past but soon got fed up with his odious attitude. He must be a hell of a ortson yo live with
  • Re the sport of kings, the Racing Post threw together this two-minute montage of clips and stills showing the Queen's love of the turf. Less is more when it comes to tributes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf1aZyqOVlw
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,112
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.

    I didn’t realise his audience was anywhere near so large.
    He apparently still makes a living out of it, though.
    OK. Amend 'millions' to 'about 5'.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 6,509
    I think Wentworth got it right. No play yesterday. Reducing the PGA championship to 54 holes. I can't be bothered with James O'Brien. He's a counter-reactionary hack and his linking of this to cancel culture isn't really helpful. I always remember being taught in school the distinction between cancel and postpone. Funnily enough usually in relations to Sports Day.

    In other news this is pretty remarkable stuff from Russian TV. Acknowledging the Ukrainian advances with hints of existential angst. Also pointing out that the Ukrainian troops on the advance were the ones trained in Britain. They are doing an awful lot of work promoting global Britain.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1568310989149605888
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 17,829

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    @Heathener posted something deeply petulant and unpleasant on the previous thread, liked by a couple of fellow travellers.

    I think she thought it said something about me. It actually says everything about her.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.

    I didn’t realise his audience was anywhere near so large.
    He apparently still makes a living out of it, though.
    I never have to hit the off button because I never listen. I have listened in the past but soon got fed up with his odious attitude. He must be a hell of a ortson yo live with
    I only know who the guy is because people keep posting about him here.
    Usually his opponents, which is why I was a bit surprised by the header.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993

    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    @Heathener posted something deeply petulant and unpleasant on the previous thread, liked by a couple of fellow travellers.

    I think she thought it said something about me. It actually says everything about her.
    Yes. And you’re quite right: they are projecting. It’s telling
  • Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.

    Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.

    If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.

    Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    On the bright side, it will give you something novel to obsess over for the next year or so.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244
    Carnyx said:

    Third like Charles III.

    Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.
    I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    SO GO AND WATCH YOUTUBE

    Seriously. What is the problem. Has Prince Andrew superglued you to the TV with the Bakelite switch set to “the BBC from London. London calling”???
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 9,513

    Why are republicans so angry?

    Seems like they really believed that the accession of Charles to the throne would instantly lead to a boost for the Republican cause and they are now upset and confused to find that they actually will have to argue their case. And they have no idea how to do that.

    They'd placed all their hopes for a Republic onto the personal unpopularity of King Charles III.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,739
    Obviously because it is September and it should still be the cricket season. The football season should not replace the cricket season until October.

    Though Champions league and Europa league matches will continue next week involving British clubs
  • The Accession Council is shortly to meet on telly to proclaim the new king. I wonder who they will choose.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
    https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 18,793

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    It perfectly fine to be annoyed with the repetitive media coverage. Best solution is to turn it off and take a break. Football would have been tricky if everyone wore black.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536

    Why are republicans so angry?

    Seems like they really believed that the accession of Charles to the throne would instantly lead to a boost for the Republican cause and they are now upset and confused to find that they actually will have to argue their case. And they have no idea how to do that.

    They'd placed all their hopes for a Republic onto the personal unpopularity of King Charles III.
    And, yes, that's it.

    That's got to hurt.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    edited September 10

    The Accession Council is shortly to meet on telly to proclaim the new king. I wonder who they will choose.

    Caroline Lucas?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993

    Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.

    Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.

    If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.

    Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
    Also: THE FALL OF IZIUM is brilliantly Homeric
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 31,451
    ping said:

    FPT;

    ping said:

    Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.

    Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall!

    If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.
    Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244

    The Accession Council is shortly to meet on telly to proclaim the new king. I wonder who they will choose.

    Could be a major plot twist. I’m certainly keeping my phone line free.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.

    I didn’t realise his audience was anywhere near so large.
    He apparently still makes a living out of it, though.
    I never have to hit the off button because I never listen. I have listened in the past but soon got fed up with his odious attitude. He must be a hell of a ortson yo live with
    I only know who the guy is because people keep posting about him here.
    Usually his opponents, which is why I was a bit surprised by the header.
    When Jams O’Brien does a comment piece for the NYT the perfect storm will be upon us.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    Nigelb said:

    The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
    https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257

    Hahahah. Sorry

    But Ahahahaha
  • FossFoss Posts: 565
    Leon said:

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    SO GO AND WATCH YOUTUBE

    Seriously. What is the problem. Has Prince Andrew superglued you to the TV with the Bakelite switch set to “the BBC from London. London calling”???
    Anyway, BBC1 looks to be getting back to normal tomorrow.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 56,044
    If you don’t want commentary:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHmV3mehMI
  • Leon said:

    Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.

    Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.

    If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.

    Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
    Also: THE FALL OF IZIUM is brilliantly Homeric
    Indeed. Now where is that Hector bloke....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,988

    Organisations thinking for themselves! Whatever next?

    This is what Buckingham Palace has announced:

    There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.

    If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance#major-events-entertainment-and-sports

    100% wrong.

    Buckingham Palace has announced the death of the Queen.

    What you have linked to and are quoting is the cabinet office's pronouncement on it from the gov.uk website.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    The fact that organisations have responded in diverse ways suggests that the press critics are going to have a hard time finding targets. Even if O'B is right, it is still the case that he is a dull, dogmatic moralising, sanctimonious, holier than thou, narrow minded broadcaster who makes millions rush for the off switch.

    I didn’t realise his audience was anywhere near so large.
    He apparently still makes a living out of it, though.
    I never have to hit the off button because I never listen. I have listened in the past but soon got fed up with his odious attitude. He must be a hell of a ortson yo live with
    I only know who the guy is because people keep posting about him here.
    Usually his opponents, which is why I was a bit surprised by the header.
    About 1.3 million listeners for J O'B's brand of whatever it is;
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/feb/03/lbcs-james-obrien-overtakes-nick-ferrari-as-radio-audiences-tune-in-later
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 31,451
    edited September 10

    Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.

    Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.

    If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.

    Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
    Looking at the maps, Izium is now untenable for Russian forces. There's still a narrow corridor through which they can flee South East.

    Transferring soldiers from the East to Kherson was just folly. It would have been better to retreat from that city and hold the East bank of the Dinipro.
  • biggles said:

    The Accession Council is shortly to meet on telly to proclaim the new king. I wonder who they will choose.

    Could be a major plot twist. I’m certainly keeping my phone line free.
    They all said Rishi would take over from Boris so the unexpected can happen.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    At some point this becomes an absolute rout, the entire Russian army loses cohesion, and its every man for himself. With his looted fridge
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,945
    Sean_F said:

    ping said:

    FPT;

    ping said:

    Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.

    Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall!

    If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.
    Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.
    If the stories about Charles’ ideas for slimed down monarchy are correct, then a lot more people are going to be fully “out”.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.

    Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.

    If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.

    Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
    Yep, they sent a pile of reinforcements to Kherson, and left the lines around Kupyansk and Izyum barely defended, such that the defenders were able to take a huge area with little effort. Can’t help but laugh out loud at the totally obsolete 1950s artillery captured, proof if it were needed that the enemy is unable to field any more modern weapons on the battlefield.

    Bonus points, that all the enemy troops in Kherson are now stuck there, they’ll be slowly starved out in the coming days and weeks as they have only the river to resupply them.

    A great few days for Ukraine, the best news of a sad week. 🇺🇦
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Sean_F said:

    ping said:

    FPT;

    ping said:

    Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.

    Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall!

    If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.
    Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.
    I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.

    But, they've shot their bolt now.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    Third like Charles III.

    Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.
    I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.
    Don't know - arguably they made a big mnistake turning back at Derby, as there was so little left to protect London. The Hanoverian dynasty was also alien from the locals' point of view.

    But there was also the option of ignoring England and remaining in Scotland - declaring the Treaty of Union null and void (which it was of course from his dynastic point of view).

    Of course, as you say, it could have ended up with revolutions in both Scotland and/or England, albeit for somewhat different reasons (as indeed happened with his great-grandfather Charles 1, who triggered both).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 31,451
    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 18,793
    edited September 10
    Is Mike Pence counting the votes of the accession council? Hope we avoid a late entry for Donald Trump or ‘King of the World’ Boris.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    The Americans lost 60,000 men in the entire 10 year long Vietnam war and that was seen as a hideous humiliation and a national defeat which changed US society

    Putin is achieving that in 8 months
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 56,044
    TOPPING said:

    Organisations thinking for themselves! Whatever next?

    This is what Buckingham Palace has announced:

    There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.

    If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance#major-events-entertainment-and-sports

    100% wrong.

    Buckingham Palace has announced the death of the Queen.

    What you have linked to and are quoting is the cabinet office's pronouncement on it from the gov.uk website.
    Gloriously missing the point, and a distinction without a difference, unless the Cabinet Office is not part of His Majesty’s Government?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244
    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    SO GO AND WATCH YOUTUBE

    Seriously. What is the problem. Has Prince Andrew superglued you to the TV with the Bakelite switch set to “the BBC from London. London calling”???
    Anyway, BBC1 looks to be getting back to normal tomorrow.
    As someone said above, there’s going to be a couple of live events each day until the funeral, and a few programmes with tributes. As they move to that status quo, they’ll also cancel anything problematic (HIGNFY will be off for a few weeks). Hard to see how even a rabid Republican can say this is an unreasonable response given that this is the end of an era, the news story of the decade, the changing of our head of state, and a tribute one of our most loved national figures all rolled into one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 9,513

    The Accession Council is shortly to meet on telly to proclaim the new king. I wonder who they will choose.

    This reminds me of comments about who the Electoral College will vote for as US President.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,945
    kle4 said:

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    As someone noted on the last thread thats just what life is like now - giving an example of massive coverage when Michael Jackson died.

    The occasion is being marked and as it's a head of state that means days of stuff, which even the majority of monarchist like myself will not pay attention to.

    It's really not hard to avoid, and there'll be some disruptions to regular events for like a week. We'll manage. As casino notes it's practically a tradition to go a bit over the top, others moan that no one cares, but clearly some really do, and it all happens quite smoothly.

    People just need to relax, and not let it bother them if they dont care, and dont judge others for not caring if you do care.
    It’s also worth noting that in the era of streaming TV, you can watch zillions of hours of TV without seeing anything from the U.K.

    So there is an enormous safe space for the republicans
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,719
    Sandpit said:

    Dr Mike Martin 🔶
    @ThreshedThought
    ·
    12m
    Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.

    Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.

    If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.

    Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
    Yep, they sent a pile of reinforcements to Kherson, and left the lines around Kupyansk and Izyum barely defended, such that the defenders were able to take a huge area with little effort. Can’t help but laugh out loud at the totally obsolete 1950s artillery captured, proof if it were needed that the enemy is unable to field any more modern weapons on the battlefield.

    Bonus points, that all the enemy troops in Kherson are now stuck there, they’ll be slowly starved out in the coming days and weeks as they have only the river to resupply them.

    A great few days for Ukraine, the best news of a sad week. 🇺🇦
    They should build a dirty great POW camp at Zaporizhzhia for the thousands of Russian soldiers who are inevitably caught up in this and make sure the world knows it’s there.

    Might make the Russians think twice about anything bad happening there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    Nigelb said:

    The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
    https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257

    Some more Twitter chatter about Melitopol, and a possible offensive.
    Seems barely credible, but after the last few days…
    If they were to take it, that might even finish the war.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    There’s another nine days of it to come, with numerous events every day.

    Most people haven’t experienced a full national mourning before, this is what it is.

    Nexflix, Amazon Prime and Youtube are all still working, for those who wish to avoid it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."
    Oh for sure. Hitchens is the equally sour mirror image of O’Brien

    Both sides have their pro Putin voices, too

    I see the Labour Party conference fringe is having a “stop the Ukraine war” event with Corbyn and Andrew Murray and the usual vile Trots. Have they invited any actual Ukrainians? No

    But they have invited someone from the Muslim Council of GB

    https://twitter.com/stwuk/status/1567539083026604034?s=46&t=bj1XbN0cCzU4ZmqCirE4Mg
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,988

    TOPPING said:

    Organisations thinking for themselves! Whatever next?

    This is what Buckingham Palace has announced:

    There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.

    If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance#major-events-entertainment-and-sports

    100% wrong.

    Buckingham Palace has announced the death of the Queen.

    What you have linked to and are quoting is the cabinet office's pronouncement on it from the gov.uk website.
    Gloriously missing the point, and a distinction without a difference, unless the Cabinet Office is not part of His Majesty’s Government?
    You are conflating the Royal Family with the Government and that is not a productive road to go down. As Charles III would be the first to note.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."
    But Peter Hitchens is incapable of liking or being happy about anything.

    He thinks his job is to be lucidly angry in opposition to anything that happens or doesn't happen.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244
    Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    Third like Charles III.

    Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.
    I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.
    Don't know - arguably they made a big mnistake turning back at Derby, as there was so little left to protect London. The Hanoverian dynasty was also alien from the locals' point of view.

    But there was also the option of ignoring England and remaining in Scotland - declaring the Treaty of Union null and void (which it was of course from his dynastic point of view).

    Of course, as you say, it could have ended up with revolutions in both Scotland and/or England, albeit for somewhat different reasons (as indeed happened with his great-grandfather Charles 1, who triggered both).
    Fair point on the Hanoverians. It’s that interesting window where we were the country being pushed around and played by other European empires, but no one likes to talk about it.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 47,122
    On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.

    Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.

    But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.

    If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 56,044
    Australia’s travel industry says it is bracing for an “influx” of Australians deciding to travel to London to attend Queen Elizabeth’s funeral.

    Guardian Australia understands the very few remaining Qantas seats from Australian capital cities to London have been quickly booked since the news of the Queen’s death, while Peter Hosper, the commercial director of Travel Authority Group, said the group was preparing for more inquiries on Monday.


    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/10/australian-travel-industry-braces-for-influx-as-royalists-plan-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral
  • FossFoss Posts: 565
    edited September 10
    biggles said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    Why are republicans so angry?

    We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.
    SO GO AND WATCH YOUTUBE

    Seriously. What is the problem. Has Prince Andrew superglued you to the TV with the Bakelite switch set to “the BBC from London. London calling”???
    Anyway, BBC1 looks to be getting back to normal tomorrow.
    As someone said above, there’s going to be a couple of live events each day until the funeral, and a few programmes with tributes. As they move to that status quo, they’ll also cancel anything problematic (HIGNFY will be off for a few weeks). Hard to see how even a rabid Republican can say this is an unreasonable response given that this is the end of an era, the news story of the decade, the changing of our head of state, and a tribute one of our most loved national figures all rolled into one.
    Sunday prime-time is pretty much back to normal and a good chunk of the rest looks like cheap filler built from the archives or News24 simulcast -so not really that different to last Sunday
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 47,122

    Australia’s travel industry says it is bracing for an “influx” of Australians deciding to travel to London to attend Queen Elizabeth’s funeral.

    Guardian Australia understands the very few remaining Qantas seats from Australian capital cities to London have been quickly booked since the news of the Queen’s death, while Peter Hosper, the commercial director of Travel Authority Group, said the group was preparing for more inquiries on Monday.


    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/10/australian-travel-industry-braces-for-influx-as-royalists-plan-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral

    To be fair, there's been fuck all availability on Qantas for months.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,988
    On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).

    Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,775
    Leon said:

    Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?

    I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage

    I'm not a republican so 3 out of 4 isn't bad.

    :wink:
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 6,509
    Leon said:

    If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???

    Well compared to the million excess deaths from covid I suppose this would be somewhat minor. I take your point though. Military defeats are existential for any leader.
  • Sean_F said:

    ping said:

    FPT;

    ping said:

    Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.

    Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall!

    If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.
    Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.
    I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.

    But, they've shot their bolt now.
    Hmm. Arguably Harry identified the right question (what does the Spare Heir do once they're not needed any more?) and had a better answer than his uncles (get the hell out of Dodge and do something else with the rest of his life).

    Which is not the answer that the tabloids wanted. And some of the fuckups on the way have been blown up into great evil as a result.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.

    Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.

    But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.

    If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.


    You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
  • Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
    https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257

    Hahahah. Sorry

    But Ahahahaha
    Fuck me, it’s like Unity Mitford woke up from her self inflicted brain damage towards the end of 1942 and started bellowing ‘Gawdbless Winny and Comrade Stalin!’
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    Third like Charles III.

    Depends which you mean. Fourth like the current one.
    I sometimes ponder whether, in the unlikely event he had managed to win (he presumably would have needed France to come in more aggressively, which wouldn’t have endeared him to the population), those would have been the circumstances in which there was a revolution, probably focused on England. Everything one reads about him suggests he had his ancestors’ views on parliamentary democracy. Had that happened so early in the life of the Union, it presumably would have fallen.
    Don't know - arguably they made a big mnistake turning back at Derby, as there was so little left to protect London. The Hanoverian dynasty was also alien from the locals' point of view.

    But there was also the option of ignoring England and remaining in Scotland - declaring the Treaty of Union null and void (which it was of course from his dynastic point of view).

    Of course, as you say, it could have ended up with revolutions in both Scotland and/or England, albeit for somewhat different reasons (as indeed happened with his great-grandfather Charles 1, who triggered both).
    Fair point on the Hanoverians. It’s that interesting window where we were the country being pushed around and played by other European empires, but no one likes to talk about it.

    The last battles of the Wars of the Covenant, such as Prestonpans/Gladsmuir and Culloden, were very much a dynastic civil war witdh different foreign backers ...
  • I am delighted that the FA has postponed Tottenham's encounter with Haaland. It's what the Queen would have wanted.

    I don't agree with suspending the football - which is, in any event, probably the most mawkish game out there - but I think that's different from cancelling or dialling down a programme of national events and commemorations of constitutional significance covered by the national broadcaster.

    My experience, both at work, home, locally and with my friends, is that this is on virtually everyone's minds, with one or naysayers, and most are feeling some level of sombreness and emotion over it. Some will mourn more personally than others, and it's hit me hard, but we are all thinking about it.

    Time and time again I read about the monarchy that no-one's interested and no-one cares (we had it most recently over the Platinum Jubilee) and it's always the same people: they're basically projecting sentiments about themselves, not others.

    Yep, I don't need the 24-hour rolling coverage, but it's constantly on my mind and I make sure I watch the important stuff. Our head of state is changing for the first time in 70 years. It's a very big deal. It's important it is getting the coverage it is because it matters a hell of a lot. And it matters even more given what the succession means symbolically. That old link to WW2 and the Empire that the Queen provided so magnificently has gone. That will inevitably lead to change. What that will look like I do not know, but it will be fascinating to find out. The Charles kiss yesterday was, I thought, a huge moment. It just would not even have crossed anyone's mind to do it to the Queen.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993

    Leon said:

    If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???

    Well compared to the million excess deaths from covid I suppose this would be somewhat minor. I take your point though. Military defeats are existential for any leader.
    Especially leaders wedded to the idea of “national greatness via military power”

    Whatever is happening in Ukraine, it does not look like martial Russian greatness
  • The Accession Council is shortly to meet on telly to proclaim the new king. I wonder who they will choose.

    I think we can depend on ‘the best pm the UK never had’ to do the right thing.


  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,244
    edited September 10
    Leon said:

    If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???

    The worry has to be that his only option would be to seek to present it as a NATO offensive.
  • FPT
    Leon said:

    @Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front

    Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves

    In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily


    But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable



    If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_Lie

    Won a Pulitzer.

    Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.

  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 608

    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hopefully Truss' response to this week's events will give her some gravitas. While her cost of living proposals will make a difference

    I think she has been overshadowed somewhat by Boris Johnsons speech to parliament about the Queen which was one of his best .
    Are most people watching the speeches? I know lots of ardent monarchists around here, who are properly sad - as as quite a few non-monarchists - but I don't know anyone who is following all the eulogies and retrospectives - everyone says it's just too much, and *especially* when they're sad. Quite a few saw Charles, and catch oddments on the radio, but most seem to be putting it aside for their private lives.
    Yes, I watched all of it. From last night at 5.55pm onwards. We were glued to all the BBC's schedule.

    My wife and I will be watching the accession proclamation from 9.30am tomorrow. We are also going to church for a community service at 10.30am tomorrow - we are not religious.

    You are wrong.
    Fair enough.
    I am hearing some people complain that is overkill; but most appear to be acknowledging the situation as something going on in the background, but want to get on with their lives.
    My son's headteacher was dressed in black, which I thought was appropriate.
    I've not watched any of the speeches etc personally.
    Everyone should spend 9 minutes watching the new King's speech. And, I mean *everyone*.

    It's probably the most significant and historical national moment in this country for the last 70 years.
    Will it be ousted from top spot if Harry launches his book from the Al-Fayed estate in Finland?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,977

    Why are republicans so angry?

    Just trying to match your energy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
    https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257

    Hahahah. Sorry

    But Ahahahaha
    Fuck me, it’s like Unity Mitford woke up from her self inflicted brain damage towards the end of 1942 and started bellowing ‘Gawdbless Winny and Comrade Stalin!’
    Except that I’ve been virulently anti Putin and pro Ukraine since the beginning of this vile war. As you know, so you are trolling?

    But I can dig up my remarks if you like. It might be fun

    I suspect your remarks will be more “ambiguous”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Sean_F said:

    ping said:

    FPT;

    ping said:

    Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.

    Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall!

    If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.
    Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.
    I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.

    But, they've shot their bolt now.
    Hmm. Arguably Harry identified the right question (what does the Spare Heir do once they're not needed any more?) and had a better answer than his uncles (get the hell out of Dodge and do something else with the rest of his life).

    Which is not the answer that the tabloids wanted. And some of the fuckups on the way have been blown up into great evil as a result.
    He could have chosen to withdraw from public life and work hard for his charities and causes.

    Instead, he (and his wife) has built his ‘career’ on criticising his own family - something which was quickly wearing off before the events of this week.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,489
    On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:

    Dear Mr Lord,

    I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.

    I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.

    It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.

    I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.

    If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.

    I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.

    As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.

    Thank you for your time.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 9,347
    TOPPING said:

    On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).

    Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.

    Footy can and will be rearranged. The test match is a lot harder. If not these three days, when?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 53,486
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.

    Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.

    But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.

    If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.


    You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
    To blow my own martial trumpet, I posted this on 17th August:

    "Putin's invasion is a military disaster that will be studied for decades."
  • TOPPING said:

    On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).

    Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.

    One thing I have seen is that the Queen was the patron of the FA but did not have that link to either rugby or cricket.

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