Why’s crickets still going ahead but not football? – politicalbetting.com
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Presumably, for similar reasons that they can't be trusted with booze or unsegregated supporters, some football fans aren't considered cultured or civilised enough to respect the decorum of this unusual occasion0
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I certainly remember you sermonising me directly about Putin’s superior anti woke qualities, but then you’ve always been a bit gooey eyed when it comes to authoritarian strong men.Leon said:
Except that I’ve been virulently anti Putin and pro Ukraine since the beginning of this vile war. As you know, so you are trolling?Theuniondivvie said:
Fuck me, it’s like Unity Mitford woke up from her self inflicted brain damage towards the end of 1942 and started bellowing ‘Gawdbless Winny and Comrade Stalin!’Leon said:
Hahahah. SorryNigelb said:The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257
But Ahahahaha
But I can dig up my remarks if you like. It might be fun
I suspect your remarks will be more “ambiguous”1 -
So there is a hierarchy of respect. Cricket is too important, because it is too difficult to reschedule, to pay respects properly to the Queen.turbotubbs said:
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I assumed we all skipped over it or made a joke because it’s a silly question. The ECB and the FA made different decisions (in reality, probably some years ago in preparation) in isolation from each other, and no third party intervened. It really is that simple. Having made their decisions, they were stuck with them.TOPPING said:On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).
Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.
One other point - a full football schedule requires more policing, which I guess influenced the FA/league discussion.
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You may be right about the location but I suggest it should be clean and tidy. The remark about the numbers being challenging can be seen as mocking but also implies humane treatment. Otherwise why would large numbers be a problem?boulay said:
They should build a dirty great POW camp at Zaporizhzhia for the thousands of Russian soldiers who are inevitably caught up in this and make sure the world knows it’s there.Sandpit said:
Yep, they sent a pile of reinforcements to Kherson, and left the lines around Kupyansk and Izyum barely defended, such that the defenders were able to take a huge area with little effort. Can’t help but laugh out loud at the totally obsolete 1950s artillery captured, proof if it were needed that the enemy is unable to field any more modern weapons on the battlefield.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.rottenborough said:Dr Mike Martin 🔶
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Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.
If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.
Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
Bonus points, that all the enemy troops in Kherson are now stuck there, they’ll be slowly starved out in the coming days and weeks as they have only the river to resupply them.
A great few days for Ukraine, the best news of a sad week. 🇺🇦
Might make the Russians think twice about anything bad happening there.0 -
Not all my calls are right, but I'm happy to put my arse on the line.Leon said:rcs1000 said:On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.
Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.
But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.
If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
Fwiw, the fall of Putin would have enormous geopolitical implications.
The flow of money to ferment trouble in the West could all stop, as could the money to sympathetic politicians. People like Schroeder in Germany or Strache in Austria or Salvini in Hungary might find themselves very embarrassed if the truth were suddenly to be revealed.2 -
You wonder why they spend so much time talking about monarchy on here, don't you?Malmesbury said:
It’s also worth noting that in the era of streaming TV, you can watch zillions of hours of TV without seeing anything from the U.K.kle4 said:
As someone noted on the last thread thats just what life is like now - giving an example of massive coverage when Michael Jackson died.Mexicanpete said:
We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.Casino_Royale said:Why are republicans so angry?
The occasion is being marked and as it's a head of state that means days of stuff, which even the majority of monarchist like myself will not pay attention to.
It's really not hard to avoid, and there'll be some disruptions to regular events for like a week. We'll manage. As casino notes it's practically a tradition to go a bit over the top, others moan that no one cares, but clearly some really do, and it all happens quite smoothly.
People just need to relax, and not let it bother them if they dont care, and dont judge others for not caring if you do care.
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5 minutes to the Accession Council0
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Which is sort of is... The SMO is Russia vs Ukraine + NATO SIGINT + US Logisitics.biggles said:
The worry has to be that his only option would be to seek to present it as a NATO offensive.Leon said:If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???
Maybe VVP's next move will be to bring Belarus in - if he can. That would make sense from his perspective.2 -
They did pay respects. No play yesterday.TOPPING said:
So there is a hierarchy of respect. Cricket is too important, because it is too difficult to reschedule, to pay respects properly to the Queen.turbotubbs said:
Is that it?
The SA team have future fixtures so can’t stay for more time to extend the match or move it.0 -
Good letter (and lead by Mike). In general I think that mass cancellations of everything are not a sensible response to death. A minute's silence at the start of an event would be better - that would spread the sense of loss to every type of event across the country, without making it into a mock-mourning which will actually lead to most people just spending the time in the pub or streaming a movie.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.2 -
Is that Nick Clegg in the crowd? Everyone play spot the past political figure.0
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Interesting that Deputies in both Moscow and St Petersburg have very publicly been calling for Putin to be charged with treason.rcs1000 said:On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.
Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.
But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.
If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
And so far they have only been fined, rather than pushed out sixth-floor hospital windows.2 -
I actually read that on my first trip to Vietnamnorthern_monkey said:FPT
If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_LieLeon said:@Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front
Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves
In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily
But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable
Won a Pulitzer.
Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.
For me the best book about the war - and there are dozens of excellent examples - is Caputo’s “A Rumor of War”
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Why would Belarus want to get any more involved than they are already? They’d be fair game for Western attacks on their own soil, in a way that Russia isn’t because nuclear weapons.Dura_Ace said:
Which is sort of is... The SMO is Russia vs Ukraine + NATO SIGINT + US Logisitics.biggles said:
The worry has to be that his only option would be to seek to present it as a NATO offensive.Leon said:If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???
Maybe VVP's next move will be to bring Belarus in - if he can. That would make sense from his perspective.2 -
Four former PMs in the same photo.
Edit: five, Major is there now. Blair is also in the room.0 -
They could ask for assistance from the UN, who could then pay the Bangladeshis to do it.FrankBooth said:
You may be right about the location but I suggest it should be clean and tidy. The remark about the numbers being challenging can be seen as mocking but also implies humane treatment. Otherwise why would large numbers be a problem?boulay said:
They should build a dirty great POW camp at Zaporizhzhia for the thousands of Russian soldiers who are inevitably caught up in this and make sure the world knows it’s there.Sandpit said:
Yep, they sent a pile of reinforcements to Kherson, and left the lines around Kupyansk and Izyum barely defended, such that the defenders were able to take a huge area with little effort. Can’t help but laugh out loud at the totally obsolete 1950s artillery captured, proof if it were needed that the enemy is unable to field any more modern weapons on the battlefield.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Also talk the Ukrainians have broken through at Lysychansk and Lyman.rottenborough said:Dr Mike Martin 🔶
@ThreshedThought
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Reports are coming in that Kupyansk has fallen, and also, just now, early reports that Izyum has been abandoned with Russian troops fleeing.
If Izium has fallen, that sounds like mass surrender - hard to imagine how the Russians could have pulled their forces out so quickly with all the escape routes blocked. Certainly a mass capture of equipment.
Re Kherson, no need to do anything - Russians are hemmed in by the Dnipro, the routes in are under Ukrainian fire control,, there are no bridges etc - you can let them run out of supplies and then surrender.
Bonus points, that all the enemy troops in Kherson are now stuck there, they’ll be slowly starved out in the coming days and weeks as they have only the river to resupply them.
A great few days for Ukraine, the best news of a sad week. 🇺🇦
Might make the Russians think twice about anything bad happening there.0 -
I really am wishing I was a privy councillor right now.
I should have asked Dave for membership of the privy council rather than to make me the Duke of Sheffield.1 -
Football is going through a difficult patch. Still. It isn't so long ago that bananas were thrown onto the pitch and I bet there are monkey chants even now. Look at the controversy over players taking the knee. Plus the players are so well paid.
It is obvious to me that the footballing powers that be are hyper sensitive to public opinion and on this occasion decided to play it safe as they saw it.
Same with the racing, which is apparently the second most popular spectator sport.
I don't agree with their decisions but I can see why they made them, albeit from a flawed thought process and premise imo.
Why the fuck they postponed Shields vs Marshall god only knows.0 -
Yep - but as far as many are concerned it seems to be "talk to the hand".rcs1000 said:
What an exceptionally well judged announcement.CarlottaVance said:Organisations thinking for themselves! Whatever next?
This is what Buckingham Palace has announced:
There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.
If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance#major-events-entertainment-and-sports1 -
What the FA tweeted:SouthamObserver said:
One thing I have seen is that the Queen was the patron of the FA but did not have that link to either rugby or cricket.TOPPING said:On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).
Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.
As a mark of respect to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, English football has united to postpone all football fixtures this weekend.
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H&M are merely entitled, boring and a bit embarrassing.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
Andrew is rather worse.2 -
Not enough respect, clearly.turbotubbs said:
They did pay respects. No play yesterday.TOPPING said:
So there is a hierarchy of respect. Cricket is too important, because it is too difficult to reschedule, to pay respects properly to the Queen.turbotubbs said:
Is that it?
The SA team have future fixtures so can’t stay for more time to extend the match or move it.0 -
I assume that the Stop the Ukraine War group will be delighted with the end to the war caused by Russia's defeat.Leon said:
Oh for sure. Hitchens is the equally sour mirror image of O’BrienSean_F said:
There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."Leon said:Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?
I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage
Both sides have their pro Putin voices, too
I see the Labour Party conference fringe is having a “stop the Ukraine war” event with Corbyn and Andrew Murray and the usual vile Trots. Have they invited any actual Ukrainians? No
But they have invited someone from the Muslim Council of GB
https://twitter.com/stwuk/status/1567539083026604034?s=46&t=bj1XbN0cCzU4ZmqCirE4Mg7 -
Seven PMs all in the same room. That’s never happened.5
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You'll love Harry's book launch. Especially if it's at the Al Fayed place in Finland.Sandpit said:
He could have chosen to withdraw from public life and work hard for his charities and causes.Stuartinromford said:
Hmm. Arguably Harry identified the right question (what does the Spare Heir do once they're not needed any more?) and had a better answer than his uncles (get the hell out of Dodge and do something else with the rest of his life).Casino_Royale said:
I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
But, they've shot their bolt now.
Which is not the answer that the tabloids wanted. And some of the fuckups on the way have been blown up into great evil as a result.
Instead, he (and his wife) has built his ‘career’ on criticising his own family - something which was quickly wearing off before the events of this week.
Why shouldn't a person criticise family members if they've treated them like absolute dirt? In real life, people do it all the time. Who TF does the king think he is?
I wonder whether Harry will be allowed to his grandmother's funeral.0 -
Guess again.rcs1000 said:
I assume that the Stop the Ukraine War group will be delighted with the end to the war caused by Russia's defeat.Leon said:
Oh for sure. Hitchens is the equally sour mirror image of O’BrienSean_F said:
There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."Leon said:Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?
I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage
Both sides have their pro Putin voices, too
I see the Labour Party conference fringe is having a “stop the Ukraine war” event with Corbyn and Andrew Murray and the usual vile Trots. Have they invited any actual Ukrainians? No
But they have invited someone from the Muslim Council of GB
https://twitter.com/stwuk/status/1567539083026604034?s=46&t=bj1XbN0cCzU4ZmqCirE4Mg3 -
If there is no football next weekend, the top two divisions won't play again until 1 October. I won't be too keen on a minute's silence for the Queen that long after the event (having been in one on Thursday!).NickPalmer said:
Good letter (and lead by Mike). In general I think that mass cancellations of everything are not a sensible response to death. A minute's silence at the start of an event would be better - that would spread the sense of loss to every type of event across the country, without making it into a mock-mourning which will actually lead to most people just spending the time in the pub or streaming a movie.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.0 -
One of my ex-students said on Discord last night, "Is the new king the one who's the pedo?"rcs1000 said:
H&M are merely entitled, boring and a bit embarrassing.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
Andrew is rather worse.
Fucking LOL. Young people have no idea about or any interest in this shit.2 -
I was a wanky republican long before the bitter remoanerism became a thing. Sad times.Leon said:Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?
I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage
It is going to be interesting to see how Charlie performs. I wouldn’t be surprised if he pisses off some of the more fiery parts of the right in the coming years so much that they give him shit big time. If he’s a bit too woke for some, perhaps. A bit too green. A bit too outspoken.
I saw a clip yesterday where he said he’s not so stupid that he doesn’t understand that he needs to rein himself in a bit, to adopt the public inscrutability of his mum. Might be hard to avoid the temptation though. Particularly if the new government go off on one.0 -
You have no idea how his family have treated him.Dynamo said:
You'll love Harry's book launch. Especially if it's at the Al Fayed place in Finland.Sandpit said:
He could have chosen to withdraw from public life and work hard for his charities and causes.Stuartinromford said:
Hmm. Arguably Harry identified the right question (what does the Spare Heir do once they're not needed any more?) and had a better answer than his uncles (get the hell out of Dodge and do something else with the rest of his life).Casino_Royale said:
I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
But, they've shot their bolt now.
Which is not the answer that the tabloids wanted. And some of the fuckups on the way have been blown up into great evil as a result.
Instead, he (and his wife) has built his ‘career’ on criticising his own family - something which was quickly wearing off before the events of this week.
Why shouldn't a person criticise family members if they've treated them like absolute dirt? In real life, people do it all the time. Who TF does the king think he is?
I wonder whether Harry will be allowed to his grandmother's funeral.
And that is from me, someone who is 13,247th in the sequence of people who know things.1 -
Russian MOD tweets that haven't aged well: # 346 in a series. From 48 hours ago:
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“Defender of The Faith”1
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Yes, his invasion has made his NATO paranoia sort of true, which is so obvious a response one might almost assume it was what he wanted.Dura_Ace said:
Which is sort of is... The SMO is Russia vs Ukraine + NATO SIGINT + US Logisitics.biggles said:
The worry has to be that his only option would be to seek to present it as a NATO offensive.Leon said:If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???
Maybe VVP's next move will be to bring Belarus in - if he can. That would make sense from his perspective.0 -
Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
Better than Liz.2 -
Better pray when signing the document no one sneezes and the pen scratches across the entire proclamation.5
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Yeah, and the attempts of certain lefties to link the postponement of certain temporary postponements with cancel culture, in an attempt to devalue that term so that they can continue to practise its real meaning,, is utterly shameless. We've seen it here in the comments yesterday, and it's no surprise that the odious O'Brien is doing the same.biggles said:
I assumed we all skipped over it or made a joke because it’s a silly question. The ECB and the FA made different decisions (in reality, probably some years ago in preparation) in isolation from each other, and no third party intervened. It really is that simple. Having made their decisions, they were stuck with them.TOPPING said:On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).
Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.
One other point - a full football schedule requires more policing, which I guess influenced the FA/league discussion.4 -
Cancelling the football was a mistake. It will have cost the football authorities a lot of goodwill and, absolutely unfairly, some less-informed fans will blame the government.
It would have shown more respect to keep playing. Pro-monarchists would have enjoyed the collectivism involved in singing the anthem, a minute's silence etc. And I believe those who are indifferent, and republicans, would have shown total respect and not disrupted proceedings. It's a shame that an opportunity to promote unity, at events that really are important to many peoples' lives, has been missed. It won't be the same next weekend.1 -
Also, if County Cricket stopped, would anyone notice?biggles said:
I assumed we all skipped over it or made a joke because it’s a silly question. The ECB and the FA made different decisions (in reality, probably some years ago in preparation) in isolation from each other, and no third party intervened. It really is that simple. Having made their decisions, they were stuck with them.TOPPING said:On topic the question is a good one and no one has answered it (save for @HYUFD with his customary logic regarding dates and seasons).
Why cricket and not football. Or vice versa.
One other point - a full football schedule requires more policing, which I guess influenced the FA/league discussion.2 -
I didn't know William was left-handed.0
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I can sense you yearning for a Putin master-strokeDura_Ace said:
Which is sort of is... The SMO is Russia vs Ukraine + NATO SIGINT + US Logisitics.biggles said:
The worry has to be that his only option would be to seek to present it as a NATO offensive.Leon said:If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???
Maybe VVP's next move will be to bring Belarus in - if he can. That would make sense from his perspective.
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Shall we go back and look at PB when the war began?Theuniondivvie said:
I certainly remember you sermonising me directly about Putin’s superior anti woke qualities, but then you’ve always been a bit gooey eyed when it comes to authoritarian strong men.Leon said:
Except that I’ve been virulently anti Putin and pro Ukraine since the beginning of this vile war. As you know, so you are trolling?Theuniondivvie said:
Fuck me, it’s like Unity Mitford woke up from her self inflicted brain damage towards the end of 1942 and started bellowing ‘Gawdbless Winny and Comrade Stalin!’Leon said:
Hahahah. SorryNigelb said:The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257
But Ahahahaha
But I can dig up my remarks if you like. It might be fun
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Welby looks like he reads the small print. Good practice to always read what you sign.
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He might not give them much choice in the matter. When you're Putin's bitch your options are limited.Sandpit said:
Why would Belarus want to get any more involved than they are already? They’d be fair game for Western attacks on their own soil, in a way that Russia isn’t because nuclear weapons.Dura_Ace said:
Which is sort of is... The SMO is Russia vs Ukraine + NATO SIGINT + US Logisitics.biggles said:
The worry has to be that his only option would be to seek to present it as a NATO offensive.Leon said:If Russia flees Ukraine entirely can Putin survive? There is nothing he can sell as a victory in that. They might even lose Crimea. And for this 60,000 Russians died???
Maybe VVP's next move will be to bring Belarus in - if he can. That would make sense from his perspective.0 -
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Penny would've been a very good PM IMO. Very assured and confident.Casino_Royale said:Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
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Cheers, I’ll give it a read. It’s been on my radar but never got round to it.Leon said:
I actually read that on my first trip to Vietnamnorthern_monkey said:FPT
If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_LieLeon said:@Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front
Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves
In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily
But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable
Won a Pulitzer.
Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.
For me the best book about the war - and there are dozens of excellent examples - is Caputo’s “A Rumor of War”
https://www.amazon.com/Rumor-War-Classic-Vietnam-Anniversary/dp/1250117127
This is a lightly fictionalised account but is the author’s experiences. This guy, Karl Marlantes, was all over the Ken Burns documentary: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003ZUXQCQ/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i00 -
Brown looks like he's really aged, hope he's OK. Cameron looks odd being the only one not wearing black.1
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I fully expect pb.com to tell me the last five left handed monarchs. National and international.LostPassword said:I didn't know William was left-handed.
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It rather sounded like she was directing the Lord Chamberlain to "Airfix" the Great Seal, which caused an interesting mental picture.GIN1138 said:
Penny would've been a very good PM IMO. Very assured and confident.Casino_Royale said:Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
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It curious how relatively recent late C19/ C20 anachronisms are baked in to these ceremonies.0
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Yep, Nick Clegg was there, looking tanned.0
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Will there be sandwiches, tea and nibbles?0
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I would prefer that sort of response too, but I find the suggestion in the letter that the government should have encouraged them to stay open untoward. They can make their own decisions, and it certainly isn't for the goverment to apologise to football fans about it. It's deliberate that these things are left to judgement calls, rather than a mandate or official encouragement. Top politicians can praise or criticise the move in their own capacities.NickPalmer said:
Good letter (and lead by Mike). In general I think that mass cancellations of everything are not a sensible response to death. A minute's silence at the start of an event would be better - that would spread the sense of loss to every type of event across the country, without making it into a mock-mourning which will actually lead to most people just spending the time in the pub or streaming a movie.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.
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It is 70 or 80 years since the Cambridge Spy ring and Russia has still not revealed the full story. We do not even know what route Burgess and Maclean took, despite Russian archives being opened during Perestroika. I doubt Putin's fall will reveal "the truth" about current political meddling.rcs1000 said:
Not all my calls are right, but I'm happy to put my arse on the line.Leon said:rcs1000 said:On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.
Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.
But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.
If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
Fwiw, the fall of Putin would have enormous geopolitical implications.
The flow of money to ferment trouble in the West could all stop, as could the money to sympathetic politicians. People like Schroeder in Germany or Strache in Austria or Salvini in Hungary might find themselves very embarrassed if the truth were suddenly to be revealed.0 -
That's known as one month in Australia.Sandpit said:Seven PMs all in the same room. That’s never happened.
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On our first (and only) trip to Vietnam we were taken around the Chu Chi tunnels. Impressive.Leon said:
I actually read that on my first trip to Vietnamnorthern_monkey said:FPT
If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_LieLeon said:@Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front
Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves
In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily
But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable
Won a Pulitzer.
Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.
For me the best book about the war - and there are dozens of excellent examples - is Caputo’s “A Rumor of War”
https://www.amazon.com/Rumor-War-Classic-Vietnam-Anniversary/dp/1250117127
And I had the chance to do some target practice with a Klashnikoff AK 47.0 -
And Alex Salmond?rcs1000 said:
Not all my calls are right, but I'm happy to put my arse on the line.Leon said:rcs1000 said:On the subject of Ukraine, my personal view is that the one thing the Russians cannot afford is for thousands - or tens of thousands - of their troops to be captured.
Dead. Injured. These can be hidden, at least in the short term.
But captured troops in Ukraine is a massive problem. Because those troops can speak. And their mothers will agitate for their return.
If there are mass captures, then I think Putin's days are numbered.
You’ve been suggesting a possible Russian collapse for a couple of weeks. You made me sit up and read, and realise you could be right. So: chapeau
Fwiw, the fall of Putin would have enormous geopolitical implications.
The flow of money to ferment trouble in the West could all stop, as could the money to sympathetic politicians. People like Schroeder in Germany or Strache in Austria or Salvini in Hungary might find themselves very embarrassed if the truth were suddenly to be revealed.
It’s notable that Meloni in Italy is strongly anti Putin
It’s birsvjt that0 -
BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !0
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I heard that too. Another bet with friends in Portsmouth?Driver said:
It rather sounded like she was directing the Lord Chamberlain to "Airfix" the Great Seal, which caused an interesting mental picture.GIN1138 said:
Penny would've been a very good PM IMO. Very assured and confident.Casino_Royale said:Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
Better than Liz.0 -
Does it include that line from God save the King about rebellious Scots?Taz said:BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !
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Give me strength.Taz said:BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !
They said "it's from another age" as well.
It's from this age as well.
It doesn't change. That's precisely the bloody point.7 -
She seems to have some presence, though she was not massively impressive in the leadershipcontest. Big what if though, it being so close between her and Truss for the runoff.GIN1138 said:
Penny would've been a very good PM IMO. Very assured and confident.Casino_Royale said:Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
Better than Liz.0 -
Nice wallpaper. Boris will approve.3
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I've been impressed by Welby, and the broader Church of England, over the last day or two.Jonathan said:Welby looks like he reads the small print. Good practice to always read what you sign.
For once they've risen to the occasion and got it right. I might even go tomorrow.3 -
It will probably just naturally morph into an event about Palestine anyway.Leon said:
Oh for sure. Hitchens is the equally sour mirror image of O’BrienSean_F said:
There are equivalents on our side of the political spectrum. Peter Hitchens, for example, 'the orc-minded, their conversation dreary and repetitive, filled with hatred and contempt."Leon said:Are Bitter Remoaners turning into Wanky Republicans?
I was kinda joking when I suggested this a couple of days ago. Sad to see it coming true. It’s a helpless cul de sac of impotent rage
Both sides have their pro Putin voices, too
I see the Labour Party conference fringe is having a “stop the Ukraine war” event with Corbyn and Andrew Murray and the usual vile Trots. Have they invited any actual Ukrainians? No
But they have invited someone from the Muslim Council of GB
https://twitter.com/stwuk/status/1567539083026604034?s=46&t=bj1XbN0cCzU4ZmqCirE4Mg
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One always knows when one’s touched a nerve when Seanny boy goes into trawling old threads mode. Keeps the auld lad occupied I guess.Leon said:
Shall we go back and look at PB when the war began?Theuniondivvie said:
I certainly remember you sermonising me directly about Putin’s superior anti woke qualities, but then you’ve always been a bit gooey eyed when it comes to authoritarian strong men.Leon said:
Except that I’ve been virulently anti Putin and pro Ukraine since the beginning of this vile war. As you know, so you are trolling?Theuniondivvie said:
Fuck me, it’s like Unity Mitford woke up from her self inflicted brain damage towards the end of 1942 and started bellowing ‘Gawdbless Winny and Comrade Stalin!’Leon said:
Hahahah. SorryNigelb said:The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257
But Ahahahaha
But I can dig up my remarks if you like. It might be fun
I suspect your remarks will be more “ambiguous”
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Is Jezza there?
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Of course he will, he went to Philip'sDynamo said:
You'll love Harry's book launch. Especially if it's at the Al Fayed place in Finland.Sandpit said:
He could have chosen to withdraw from public life and work hard for his charities and causes.Stuartinromford said:
Hmm. Arguably Harry identified the right question (what does the Spare Heir do once they're not needed any more?) and had a better answer than his uncles (get the hell out of Dodge and do something else with the rest of his life).Casino_Royale said:
I am far less worried about them than I was 2 years ago, when I think they did real political damage - particularly in the Carribean and amongst younger non-white Britons here.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
But, they've shot their bolt now.
Which is not the answer that the tabloids wanted. And some of the fuckups on the way have been blown up into great evil as a result.
Instead, he (and his wife) has built his ‘career’ on criticising his own family - something which was quickly wearing off before the events of this week.
Why shouldn't a person criticise family members if they've treated them like absolute dirt? In real life, people do it all the time. Who TF does the king think he is?
I wonder whether Harry will be allowed to his grandmother's funeral.0 -
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I doubt there's ever been any before, considering that in the past being left handed was something that was driven out of people.MarqueeMark said:
I fully expect pb.com to tell me the last five left handed monarchs. National and international.LostPassword said:I didn't know William was left-handed.
My grandad is left handed but he had his hand tied behind his back so he would learn to write with his correct, right hand instead. This was during WWII.
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Now they are droning on about diversity and the Queen being faced with old white men when it happened to her.Casino_Royale said:
Give me strength.Taz said:BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !
They said "it's from another age" as well.
It's from this age as well.
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If it was left to young people Corbyn would now be PM.Dura_Ace said:
One of my ex-students said on Discord last night, "Is the new king the one who's the pedo?"rcs1000 said:
H&M are merely entitled, boring and a bit embarrassing.Sean_F said:
Meghan and Harry's standing among the British people is not quite as bad as Prince Andrew's, but it's a long way below everyone else in the royal family. I don't think they are any sort of threat, however much insight they provide into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires.ping said:FPT;
If Charles was smart, he’d recognise that Liz’s disastrous “no half-in-half-out” policy was a major factor contributing to the current situation.ping said:Charles’s “kind” comments about Harry and Meghan need to be seen in the context of Harry’s book deal. The firm are terrified about it’s contents.
Thanks to events, they’ve got H&M pinned down. This is their one and only opportunity.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall!
Andrew is rather worse.
Fucking LOL. Young people have no idea about or any interest in this shit.
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Not sure tweeting from St James’s Palace is quite the done thing:
As one era ends, so another begins.
God Save The King.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1568526753282269184
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There's nothing like that happening on Sky.Casino_Royale said:Oh God, spare me the Woke takes about white men and Diversity.
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First level tunnels? Or did you go down to the second level as well? Damn, that was claustrophobic! And the humidity was unbearable.OldKingCole said:
On our first (and only) trip to Vietnam we were taken around the Chu Chi tunnels. Impressive.Leon said:
I actually read that on my first trip to Vietnamnorthern_monkey said:FPT
If you’ve not read it already, you might like ‘A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam’ - superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_LieLeon said:@Nigelb its like the Tet Offensive in its use of partisan warfare/sabotage behind American lines, all synchronised superbly with an outright attack on the front
Tet came as a total shock to the USA, at a time when the Americans complacently thought the war was quietening down with no major moves
In many ways thereafter the Tet was a failure for Hanoi and the Yanks pushed the VC back quite easily
But Tet broke the American will to fight. It showed Americans at home the war was unwinnable and the North would never give up, and would endure any cost. From that moment Saigon 73 was inevitable
Won a Pulitzer.
Let’s hope the current Ukrainian operations become more Bagration than Tet.
For me the best book about the war - and there are dozens of excellent examples - is Caputo’s “A Rumor of War”
https://www.amazon.com/Rumor-War-Classic-Vietnam-Anniversary/dp/1250117127
And I had the chance to do some target practice with a Klashnikoff AK 47.
It brought it home that the Americans were never going to win against an army that was so innovative - and would endure that level of privation.0 -
The more you blat on in Diversionary Auld Scots the more intrigued I become. How “ambivalent” were you about Putin’s war?Theuniondivvie said:
One always knows when one’s touched a nerve when Seanny boy goes into trawling old threads mode. Keeps the auld lad occupied I guess.Leon said:
Shall we go back and look at PB when the war began?Theuniondivvie said:
I certainly remember you sermonising me directly about Putin’s superior anti woke qualities, but then you’ve always been a bit gooey eyed when it comes to authoritarian strong men.Leon said:
Except that I’ve been virulently anti Putin and pro Ukraine since the beginning of this vile war. As you know, so you are trolling?Theuniondivvie said:
Fuck me, it’s like Unity Mitford woke up from her self inflicted brain damage towards the end of 1942 and started bellowing ‘Gawdbless Winny and Comrade Stalin!’Leon said:
Hahahah. SorryNigelb said:The headquarters of a Russian group urging Ukrainian citizens to ditch Kyiv and join Moscow has been blown up in Russian-controlled Melitopol.
https://twitter.com/tempkenalt/status/1568388768612192257
But Ahahahaha
But I can dig up my remarks if you like. It might be fun
I suspect your remarks will be more “ambiguous”0 -
Ed Miliband the only former loto there.
No Corbyn, but also no Howard or Hague.0 -
It has nothing to do with whether you are a Republican or not. It is all to do with the quality of the coverage by the main players (BBC, ITV, C4, C5). They are filling the airwaves with such huge amounts of dross that it drowns out the decent coverage about the death of the Queen and the succession of Charles. I would like to watch that stuff. However I don't want to know about Andrew Lloyd Webber writing a song about it or someone's Great Aunt whose friend's cat met the Queen.Malmesbury said:
It’s also worth noting that in the era of streaming TV, you can watch zillions of hours of TV without seeing anything from the U.K.kle4 said:
As someone noted on the last thread thats just what life is like now - giving an example of massive coverage when Michael Jackson died.Mexicanpete said:
We have been very reverential and polite at the passing of HMQ. Although the BBC coverage is becoming tiresome now.Casino_Royale said:Why are republicans so angry?
The occasion is being marked and as it's a head of state that means days of stuff, which even the majority of monarchist like myself will not pay attention to.
It's really not hard to avoid, and there'll be some disruptions to regular events for like a week. We'll manage. As casino notes it's practically a tradition to go a bit over the top, others moan that no one cares, but clearly some really do, and it all happens quite smoothly.
People just need to relax, and not let it bother them if they dont care, and dont judge others for not caring if you do care.
So there is an enormous safe space for the republicans
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Next week’s matches in London ain’t happening.1 -
Respectfully disagree. It's not important enough to bother politics with. Discretion and difference of mind is part of a free society. Accept it all tolerantly.tlg86 said:On topic for once. Just sent off this email to my MP:
Dear Mr Lord,
I am writing to you regarding the postponement of football matches this weekend (10 to 11 September). I appreciate that this isn't the most important matter (though, I'd argue, neither is the death of a ninety-six-year-old - and I say that as a supporter of the monarchy), so I won't be offended if you don't have time to respond.
I know (or thought I knew!) that a lot of planning went into preparing for the change of monarch. I had always expected that football would cease from the announcement of the death until after the funeral. However, I was expecting all other major (note that even non-league football has been postponed - it doesn't matter to the Premier League clubs, but those clubs lower down the pyramid are losing real money because of this) sporting and cultural events would be stopping too. I was shocked to learn on Friday 9 September that the government had not mandated this and instead left it up to individual organisations.
It irritates me greatly that rugby, cricket and golf are continuing this weekend, whilst I am unable to watch my team play football.
I'm sure the government would say that it was up to the football authorities to decide. However, football is subject to much greater scrutiny than other sports and cultural events. The government is (or, at least, was) looking at setting up a football regulator (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england). The football authorities worry about how things would look in a way that other sports do not.
If the government wasn't going to mandate the shutdown of "fun" things until after the funeral, they should have encouraged events to carry on. If the government wants to help football fans, they can start by apologising for not ensuring that football went ahead this weekend.
I'm also concerned for next weekend. The reaction to the postponements this weekend has not been good. But next weekend, I fear that some matches will have to be postponed due to police resourcing issues. From time to time that kind of thing happens anyway (see the postponement of Brighton v Crystal Palace due to rail strikes, for example), but it won't go down well a week after games were unnecessarily postponed.
As I said at the start, there are far bigger things going on at the moment. However, this was something that the government could have prepared for. This was something the government could have sorted out, but when it came to it, they didn't.
Thank you for your time.
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After the Russian Revolution, Dynamo Moscow was run by the head of the Cheka - the Soviet Union's first secret police force
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Why are royalists so angry?Casino_Royale said:
Give me strength.Taz said:BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !
They said "it's from another age" as well.
It's from this age as well.
It doesn't change. That's precisely the bloody point.3 -
A large part of the Queen's mystique was in her link to the second world war. The pictures of her in military uniform, celebrating at the Palace on VE Day and her coming off the plane in 1952 to be met by her first prime minister, one Winston Churchill*. It's sad that she should die as we may be on the brink of our biggest foreign policy success since 1945 but that's how it is.
*Monarchists ought to consider whether this is something that can now be sustained going forward.0 -
Hague and IDS are there.Pulpstar said:Ed Miliband the only former loto there.
No Corbyn, but also no Howard or Hague.0 -
Not on GB News they’re not. A really interesting conversation With Alastair Stewart, David Starkey, and Privy Councillor Esther McVey.Casino_Royale said:Oh God, spare me the Woke takes about white men and Diversity.
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I expect several ex-prime ministers are.GIN1138 said:Os Jezza there?
We are, I think, allowed to gloat.
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I presume so as they were lamenting it would take an act of Parliament to change it so Chaz is forced to read it verbatim.OldKingCole said:
Does it include that line from God save the King about rebellious Scots?Taz said:BBC commentator making apologies for the upcoming proclamation that will be made and saying people shouldn’t be offended by it !
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Hang on, the football authorities say it's as a mark of respect. We should be told the truth.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic the cricket is one match and the football is dozens of matches which require more rozzers than the cricket.
Next week’s matches in London ain’t happening.0 -
Not sure our recent experience of “presentation over content” has been entirely happy!kle4 said:
She seems to have some presence, though she was not massively impressive in the leadershipcontest. Big what if though, it being so close between her and Truss for the runoff.GIN1138 said:
Penny would've been a very good PM IMO. Very assured and confident.Casino_Royale said:Penny Mordaunt did that rather well.
Better than Liz.
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