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Bit weak from Wallace.
Like tipping the National winner 10 yards from the post when it's 50 lengths clear.
Gone down in my estimation.

Truss 86% chance.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Well they had Tom Daley come in with flagbearers with rainbow LGBT flags representing the Commonwealth nations where homosexuality is illegal, which while I have no problem with the sentiment will go down like a lead balloon in the nations concerned.

Then they had Max Whitlock coming in accompanied by a mental health message, which again while I have little problem with the sentiment was somewhat out of place.

Anyway Prince Charles has now finally opened it followed by the Birmingham Bull

Eabhal said:

dixiedean said:

CarlottaVance said:

Sunak just said he's the most northern Chancellor we've ever had...

Born: Southampton
School: Winchester
Uni: Oxford
Career: London

Then parachuted into a safe Yorkshire seat in 2015

https://twitter.com/_BvdM/status/1552740324807786496

Gordon Brown waves.

Is he the most northerly? Ramsay MacDonald was never CofE.

He beats Healey but Healey beat Sunak surely as he was brought up in Yorkshire as well as being an MP for Leeds.

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Leon said:

Cookie said:

Gardenwalker said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

CatMan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/slough-could-raise-council-tax-by-20-and-be-forced-to-sell-off-thousands-of-assets

"It reveals senior executives at the council spent £2.8m on consultants with little local government experience to guide a management restructuring that was supposed to deliver £4m of savings. The ill-fated plan, launched at the height of lockdown, instead ran up costs of £1m and left the council shorn of key staff.

The scheme was “totally unfit for purpose and resulted in the speedy destruction of officer capacity and competence with many remaining individuals now in posts they had no experience in and whole teams being made redundant which were essential to delivery of statutory services”, the report says.

The commissioners’ report says many of the posts that were eliminated under the plan are now having to be re-created. There is just one permanent senior director in place at the council, which is highly dependent on agency staff, not least in children’s services, which has been under special measures for eight years."

As a resident of Bracknell Forest, this makes me a bit nervous as a possible solution for the Government is to do some council mergers and fob them off on someone else. All the Berkshire unitaries are on the small side so you could easily merge 6 into 2 or 3. RBWM has also had some issues lately due to parking revenues drying up in Windsor during the pandemic.

Personally I would stick Slough back in Bucks as that contains most of the wealthy hinterland - Burnham Beeches, Farnham Royal, Stoke Poges

Put Slough back into Bucks, and the Vale of White Horse back into Berks.

Anything else is vandalism.

These are strongly held opinions for someone not actually born in England!

I'm fond of the historical counties. I can see various sides of the argument for what the right units of local government are - but I want to be able to say something is in Lanashire without then having to define Lancashire, or be able to ask how many top flight football teams have had their home grounds in Cheshire. I want subdivisions of the country which are immutable.
There is an argument for tying units which people identify with to local government, but also an argument for reflecting modern economic geography.

Growing up in Herefordshire, I can still just about remember the incendiary anger when Ted Heath's government created "Hereford and Worcestershire". A hybrid abomination which was loathed on both sides of the Malverns, but especially in Hereford - a noble, antique cathedral shire city - which was suddenly just a "city" and all the admin moved to Worcester, along with multiple educational and other closures

It stoked long term hatred of the Tories which lasted decades

Why do idiot civil servants do this shit? Why? Herefordshire is clearly, culturally, historically, geographically, quite different to Worcs. These differences might not matter to wankers in Whitehall, but they matter on the ground. And they mattered to many peoples' jobs, as it happened

Her-Wor?

sounds like a list of preferred pronouns on a halifax name badge

So post WW1, Sunak is at best the fourth most northern chancellor?

Leon said:

Cookie said:

Gardenwalker said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

CatMan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/slough-could-raise-council-tax-by-20-and-be-forced-to-sell-off-thousands-of-assets

"It reveals senior executives at the council spent £2.8m on consultants with little local government experience to guide a management restructuring that was supposed to deliver £4m of savings. The ill-fated plan, launched at the height of lockdown, instead ran up costs of £1m and left the council shorn of key staff.

The scheme was “totally unfit for purpose and resulted in the speedy destruction of officer capacity and competence with many remaining individuals now in posts they had no experience in and whole teams being made redundant which were essential to delivery of statutory services”, the report says.

The commissioners’ report says many of the posts that were eliminated under the plan are now having to be re-created. There is just one permanent senior director in place at the council, which is highly dependent on agency staff, not least in children’s services, which has been under special measures for eight years."

As a resident of Bracknell Forest, this makes me a bit nervous as a possible solution for the Government is to do some council mergers and fob them off on someone else. All the Berkshire unitaries are on the small side so you could easily merge 6 into 2 or 3. RBWM has also had some issues lately due to parking revenues drying up in Windsor during the pandemic.

Personally I would stick Slough back in Bucks as that contains most of the wealthy hinterland - Burnham Beeches, Farnham Royal, Stoke Poges

Put Slough back into Bucks, and the Vale of White Horse back into Berks.

Anything else is vandalism.

These are strongly held opinions for someone not actually born in England!

I'm fond of the historical counties. I can see various sides of the argument for what the right units of local government are - but I want to be able to say something is in Lanashire without then having to define Lancashire, or be able to ask how many top flight football teams have had their home grounds in Cheshire. I want subdivisions of the country which are immutable.
There is an argument for tying units which people identify with to local government, but also an argument for reflecting modern economic geography.

Growing up in Herefordshire, I can still just about remember the incendiary anger when Ted Heath's government created "Hereford and Worcestershire". A hybrid abomination which was loathed on both sides of the Malverns, but especially in Hereford - a noble, antique cathedral shire city - which was suddenly just a "city" and all the admin moved to Worcester, along with multiple educational and other closures

It stoked long term hatred of the Tories which lasted decades

Why do idiot civil servants do this shit? Why? Herefordshire is clearly, culturally, historically, geographically, quite different to Worcs. These differences might not matter to wankers in Whitehall, but they matter on the ground. And they mattered to many peoples' jobs, as it happened

Perhaps why Hereford went to the LDs for a long time.

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

Bit weak from Wallace.
Like tipping the National winner 10 yards from the post when it's 50 lengths clear.
Gone down in my estimation.

Whatsoever king may reign, ben will still be the vicar of Bray, sir. see his volte face over the kabul airlift.

In the case for the defence (no pun intended), I expect he is desperate to remain in post until Russians kicked out of Ukraine.

NorthofStoke said:

So post WW1, Sunak is at best the fourth most northern chancellor?

Does Scotland count as Northern?

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Tom Daly and the flags of countries where homosexuality is still illegal. Small snippet in 2 h 20 min...

#
yes very rude to countries competing I would think as a host - You dont invite guests to your home and make a protest at their views as they walk in

dixiedean said:

NorthofStoke said:

Eabhal said:

dixiedean said:

CarlottaVance said:

Sunak just said he's the most northern Chancellor we've ever had...

Born: Southampton
School: Winchester
Uni: Oxford
Career: London

Then parachuted into a safe Yorkshire seat in 2015

https://twitter.com/_BvdM/status/1552740324807786496

Gordon Brown waves.

Is he the most northerly? Ramsay MacDonald was never CofE.

He beats Healey but Healey beat Sunak surely as he was brought up in Yorkshire as well as being an MP for Leeds.

Gordon Brown.

Ed Balls?

I'd love to know how Nick Rhodes of Duran Duran only looks about 10 years older than he did in 1981.

turbotubbs said:

NorthofStoke said:

So post WW1, Sunak is at best the fourth most northern chancellor?

Does Scotland count as Northern?

It did when I were a lad. Of course, in or post-modern world where subjective and playful statements are to be regarded as being as valid as scientific knowledge, who knows? Also we are assuming the UK as a frame of reference.

Ooops.

Nadine Dorries does not exactly help herself:

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.
https://twitter.com/Dennynews/status/1552552688801423360

MattW said:

Ooops.

Nadine Dorries does not exactly help herself:

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.
https://twitter.com/Dennynews/status/1552552688801423360

Well, as I was saying only a moment ago, the Tories don't think Scotland is part of the UK. What with Mr Sunak claiming to be the northernistismost Chancellor.

state_go_away said:

dixiedean said:

NorthofStoke said:

Eabhal said:

dixiedean said:

CarlottaVance said:

Sunak just said he's the most northern Chancellor we've ever had...

Born: Southampton
School: Winchester
Uni: Oxford
Career: London

Then parachuted into a safe Yorkshire seat in 2015

https://twitter.com/_BvdM/status/1552740324807786496

Gordon Brown waves.

Is he the most northerly? Ramsay MacDonald was never CofE.

He beats Healey but Healey beat Sunak surely as he was brought up in Yorkshire as well as being an MP for Leeds.

Gordon Brown.

Ed Balls?

He wasn't Chancellor. Alistair Darling was, though, too.

Not sure why we are following America in going down the road to televised trials (first televised sentencing today) - I cannot think of one benefit but like all "reality TV shows" it will end in people playing to the camera not justice

state_go_away said:

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Tom Daly and the flags of countries where homosexuality is still illegal. Small snippet in 2 h 20 min...

#
yes very rude to countries competing I would think as a host - You dont invite guests to your home and make a protest at their views as they walk in

Indeed, as if the Commonwealth hasn't got enough problems at the moment maintaining unity.

Pressure in private fine, humiliation of some member nations in the opening ceremony no

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

'On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust?'

When did the British Empire ever murder 6 million Blacks in death camps?

You mean, the work camps known as "slave plantations"? Not so many, but that was not for want of trying.

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

'On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust?'

When did the British Empire ever murder 6 million Blacks in death camps?

Popcorn deficit incoming.

dixiedean said:

Bit weak from Wallace.
Like tipping the National winner 10 yards from the post when it's 50 lengths clear.
Gone down in my estimation.

Unless, as I hope, she has given him assurances on Ukraine.
Though I suspect that’s not the case.

MattW said:

Ooops.

Nadine Dorries does not exactly help herself:

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.
https://twitter.com/Dennynews/status/1552552688801423360

At least it has the Rugby League 7's.

nico679 said:

Great Commonwealth Games opening ceremony and Duran Duran finish it with one of my all time favourite songs Ordinary World .

Enjoyed it, but probably 30 minutes too long.

HYUFD said:

state_go_away said:

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Tom Daly and the flags of countries where homosexuality is still illegal. Small snippet in 2 h 20 min...

#
yes very rude to countries competing I would think as a host - You dont invite guests to your home and make a protest at their views as they walk in

Indeed, as if the Commonwealth hasn't got enough problems at the moment maintaining unity.

Pressure in private fine, humiliation of some member nations in the opening ceremony no

I doubt the Queen will be happy

MattW said:

HYUFD said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Well they had Tom Daley come in with flagbearers with rainbow LGBT flags representing the Commonwealth nations where homosexuality is illegal, which while I have no problem with the sentiment will go down like a lead balloon in the nations concerned.

Ooof. That's a bit on the nose for 'the friendly games'.

Joe Lycett got a dig in on HM Government too while on stage, broadcast across the Commonwealth.

HYUFD said:

state_go_away said:

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Tom Daly and the flags of countries where homosexuality is still illegal. Small snippet in 2 h 20 min...

#
yes very rude to countries competing I would think as a host - You dont invite guests to your home and make a protest at their views as they walk in

Indeed, as if the Commonwealth hasn't got enough problems at the moment maintaining unity.

Pressure in private fine, humiliation of some member nations in the opening ceremony no

The thing is somebody like Tom Daly already has an absolute massive platform. He can lobby, campaign, pressure and will get huge exposure anytime he wishes to make a statement. Does he need to do that then and there? Its not quite the same as somebody who lives in an oppressive regime (or will be totally ignored otherwise) and there only chance ever to make a protest statement when they are at a foreign games.

I wonder if part of the success of Marcus Rashford campaign (driven his very well connected agent, Kelly Hogarth) was that he kept that campaign outside of the time he was actually on the pitch.

williamglenn said:

Wallace has put the boot into Sunak too.

https://twitter.com/jackelsom/status/1552765052633088000

This is now finally over.

Can we just get Truss up to Balmoral to kiss the hands and so on?

IshmaelZ said:

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

'On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust?'

When did the British Empire ever murder 6 million Blacks in death camps?

I said the British, not the British Empire.

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims. Now, proportionate to world population at the time, that's way more than six million. And secondly the further generations of black Afro Americans having a shit time, down to and including now, as a direct consequence, absolutely dwarf the holocaust.

What bit of that is wrong?

The bit where you say the British were the worst (amongst many other things)

"Two rough estimates by scholars of the numbers of just one group - black slaves held over twelve centuries in the Muslim world - are 11.5 million[6] and 14 million,[7][8] while other estimates indicate a number between 12 and 15 million African slaves prior to the 20th century.[9]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world#:~:text=Two rough estimates by scholars,prior to the 20th century.

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

Let me start by saying slavery is of course abhorrent and wrong.

However the slave trade was not "largely at the hand of the British" It has existed for hundred, infact thousands of years throughout Africa and throughout the world. Even if you look at the Trans-Atlantic slave trade circa 75% of the slave trade did not involve the British at all.

A very commonly forgotten fact is that slaves were most often not rounded up and kidnapped by the British but regularly bought from the African Kingdoms engaging in slave trade as they had for many hundred of years.

This notion that slavery was all Britain's fault is a gross rewriting of history. There are currently over 30 millions slaves living in the world right this day, in comparison the trans Atlantic slave trade combining every European empire, African kingdoms and the Americas over 400 years totalled 12.7 million (12.7 million too many of course), but really puts it into perspective.

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Cookie said:

Gardenwalker said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

CatMan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/slough-could-raise-council-tax-by-20-and-be-forced-to-sell-off-thousands-of-assets

"It reveals senior executives at the council spent £2.8m on consultants with little local government experience to guide a management restructuring that was supposed to deliver £4m of savings. The ill-fated plan, launched at the height of lockdown, instead ran up costs of £1m and left the council shorn of key staff.

The scheme was “totally unfit for purpose and resulted in the speedy destruction of officer capacity and competence with many remaining individuals now in posts they had no experience in and whole teams being made redundant which were essential to delivery of statutory services”, the report says.

The commissioners’ report says many of the posts that were eliminated under the plan are now having to be re-created. There is just one permanent senior director in place at the council, which is highly dependent on agency staff, not least in children’s services, which has been under special measures for eight years."

As a resident of Bracknell Forest, this makes me a bit nervous as a possible solution for the Government is to do some council mergers and fob them off on someone else. All the Berkshire unitaries are on the small side so you could easily merge 6 into 2 or 3. RBWM has also had some issues lately due to parking revenues drying up in Windsor during the pandemic.

Personally I would stick Slough back in Bucks as that contains most of the wealthy hinterland - Burnham Beeches, Farnham Royal, Stoke Poges

Put Slough back into Bucks, and the Vale of White Horse back into Berks.

Anything else is vandalism.

These are strongly held opinions for someone not actually born in England!

I'm fond of the historical counties. I can see various sides of the argument for what the right units of local government are - but I want to be able to say something is in Lanashire without then having to define Lancashire, or be able to ask how many top flight football teams have had their home grounds in Cheshire. I want subdivisions of the country which are immutable.
There is an argument for tying units which people identify with to local government, but also an argument for reflecting modern economic geography.

Growing up in Herefordshire, I can still just about remember the incendiary anger when Ted Heath's government created "Hereford and Worcestershire". A hybrid abomination which was loathed on both sides of the Malverns, but especially in Hereford - a noble, antique cathedral shire city - which was suddenly just a "city" and all the admin moved to Worcester, along with multiple educational and other closures

It stoked long term hatred of the Tories which lasted decades

Why do idiot civil servants do this shit? Why? Herefordshire is clearly, culturally, historically, geographically, quite different to Worcs. These differences might not matter to wankers in Whitehall, but they matter on the ground. And they mattered to many peoples' jobs, as it happened

Perhaps why Hereford went to the LDs for a long time.

Yes, almost certainly a contributing factor. Obvious Tories were incensed

What is conservative about destroying an ancient English county, dating back to 700AD?

Hereford means "army ford" - a place to cross the Wye, for the Anglo Saxon army. Hereford is one of the most obviously Anglo-Saxon counties in the UK. It is proud of this

It has FUCK ALL to do with Worcestershire

Crikey, even now it can make me angry! Ted Heath was a c*nt in so many ways

Even worse that the shameful Humberside debacle

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

state_go_away said:

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Tom Daly and the flags of countries where homosexuality is still illegal. Small snippet in 2 h 20 min...

#
yes very rude to countries competing I would think as a host - You dont invite guests to your home and make a protest at their views as they walk in

Indeed, as if the Commonwealth hasn't got enough problems at the moment maintaining unity.

Pressure in private fine, humiliation of some member nations in the opening ceremony no

The thing is somebody like Tom Daly already has an absolute massive platform. He can lobby, campaign, pressure and will get huge exposure anytime he wishes to make a statement. Does he need to do that then and there? Its not quite the same as somebody who lives in an oppressive regime (or will be totally ignored otherwise) and there only chance ever to make a protest statement when they are at a foreign games.

I wonder if part of the success of Marcus Rashford campaign (driven his very well connected agent, Kelly Hogarth) was that he kept that campaign outside of the time he was actually on the pitch.

It could be a springboard for him also.

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

Wallace has put the boot into Sunak too.

https://twitter.com/jackelsom/status/1552765052633088000

This is now finally over.

Can we just get Truss up to Balmoral to kiss the hands and so on?

Some people are on the pitch!....I think one of them Ben Wallace.....he is heading straight for Rishi Sunak, he's only gone and kicked in the bollocks....They think it's all over!...It is now.

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

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dixiedean said:

NorthofStoke said:

Eabhal said:

dixiedean said:

CarlottaVance said:

Sunak just said he's the most northern Chancellor we've ever had...

Born: Southampton
School: Winchester
Uni: Oxford
Career: London

Then parachuted into a safe Yorkshire seat in 2015

https://twitter.com/_BvdM/status/1552740324807786496

Gordon Brown waves.

Is he the most northerly? Ramsay MacDonald was never CofE.

He beats Healey but Healey beat Sunak surely as he was brought up in Yorkshire as well as being an MP for Leeds.

Gordon Brown.

Also Iain Macleod (a very distant relative of mine, born Skipton) briefly, and Darling, though born in London I believe.

Norman Lamont, born in Lerwick.

So Sunak drops further, to fifth most northern

Speaking of slaving to the New World I just slaved over a fantastic Brazilian fish stew, here is the recipe

https://www.feastingathome.com/brazilian-fish-stew-aka-moqueca/


Quite easy to do, probably needs a bit more heat (it's an American recipe), and a delicious, tasty variation on an Asian coconut fish curry. More lime and astringency, less sweetness, and totes yum

Had it with basmati/wild rice and a flash fried, garlicky cavolo nero

IshmaelZ said:

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

'On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust?'

When did the British Empire ever murder 6 million Blacks in death camps?

I said the British, not the British Empire.

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims. Now, proportionate to world population at the time, that's way more than six million. And secondly the further generations of black Afro Americans having a shit time, down to and including now, as a direct consequence, absolutely dwarf the holocaust.

What bit of that is wrong?

So no, the British Empire did not pursue extermination camps on Blacks, thanks for the confirmation.

I notice you also completely ignored the 20,000 Royal Navy sailors who lost their lives helping to eradicate slavery

IshmaelZ said:

black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth

Define "truth".

Slaves carried to America, by nation, 1519-1867

Portugal: 5,848,266
Britain: 3,259,443
France: 1,381,404
Spain: 1,061,524
Netherlands: 554,336
United States: 305,326
Denmark: 111,040
Total: 12,521,339

"Estimates of the total number of black slaves moved from Sub-Saharan Africa to the Muslim world range from 11-17 million"

IshmaelZ said:

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims.

This paper measures and analyzes death rates that prevailed in the Atlantic slave trade during the late 1700s... Annual death rates in this activity were 230 per thousand among the crew and 83 per thousand among slaves. The lack of immunities to the African disease environment contributed to the high death rates among the crew.

Slavery had nothing to do with race for much of human history.

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

'On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust?'

When did the British Empire ever murder 6 million Blacks in death camps?

I said the British, not the British Empire.

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims. Now, proportionate to world population at the time, that's way more than six million. And secondly the further generations of black Afro Americans having a shit time, down to and including now, as a direct consequence, absolutely dwarf the holocaust.

What bit of that is wrong?

So no, the British Empire did not pursue extermination camps on Blacks, thanks for the confirmation.

I notice you also completely ignored the 20,000 Royal Navy sailors who lost their lives helping to eradicate slavery

He didn't say the British Empire. You did. So you're claiming a completely futile and nonexistent debating point.

You might also like to contemplate how half the children of the Boer Republics died in the camps in South Africa.

IshmaelZ said:

Leon said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

"On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British"

But this is basically untrue, and provably untrue, as I have told you countless times

The largest slavers of Africans were Muslims, and it went on for much longer (and was finally stopped by the British Empire)

The Brits have a complex history with slavery, some of it utterly shameful (the slavery), some of it noble (the abolition). There is no need to make up shit

So fucking what? Why does muslim slaving alter the case against Britain? Do you mitigate Fred West's crimes because Harold Shipton outperformed him?

And if I kick 60 old ladies to death, and then resolve to spare the last three and stop everybody else from kicking them to death too, really how "complex" is my relationship with old lady kicking?

I'm saying you are factually wrong, you weird Woke foxhunting Tory, and facts matter

It's great that late in life you have become agitated by imperial crimes - they certainly exist - but you need to ground your anger in history, not drunken emotion, and you need to realise the context, which matters. EVERY dominant society enslaved people from 2000BC-1900AD

But if pointless boozed-up tragic guilt-wanking gets you off, knock yerself out

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

'On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust?'

When did the British Empire ever murder 6 million Blacks in death camps?

I said the British, not the British Empire.

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims. Now, proportionate to world population at the time, that's way more than six million. And secondly the further generations of black Afro Americans having a shit time, down to and including now, as a direct consequence, absolutely dwarf the holocaust.

What bit of that is wrong?

So no, the British Empire did not pursue extermination camps on Blacks, thanks for the confirmation.

I notice you also completely ignored the 20,000 Royal Navy sailors who lost their lives helping to eradicate slavery

He didn't say the British Empire. You did. So you're claiming a completely futile and nonexistent debating point.

You might also like to contemplate how half the children of the Boer Republics died in the camps in South Africa.

None of the camps Boers died in were extermination camps and it was the middle of the Boer War in which thousands of British were also killed by male Boers.

Of course the descendants of those Boers then pursued apartheid when they ran South Africa

LostPassword said:

state_go_away said:

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

Wallace has put the boot into Sunak too.

https://twitter.com/jackelsom/status/1552765052633088000

This is now finally over.

Can we just get Truss up to Balmoral to kiss the hands and so on?

i presume that it will be the first time a monarch and PM share a first name?

Except, amusingly, Truss' first name is Mary and Elizabeth is a middle name, while HMQ is unusual among British monarchs in using her first name as her regnal name.

And following quite a tradition of PM's not being known by theirs.

IshmaelZ said:

bondegezou said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

I presume the wokophobic mean that there was a poem before that addressed the negative aspects of Empire, and there was a statement in favour of LGBT rights.

What fucks me off is, there's two completely different questions there. I am right about both, natch, but the answers are at complete polar opposites on the woke spectrum. On the one hand, black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth and to the cessation of denial of this fact. On the other, transsexual people are entitled to all the respect, tolerance and support in the world but we must come down like a ton of bricks on right on wankers who purport to assert their rights as overriding the right of women not to be raped and humiliated, and to enjoy competitive physical sport, and of children not to be experimented on.

I mistyped. It was about LGB rights, so you can relax now.

HYUFD said:

state_go_away said:

HYUFD said:

state_go_away said:

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Is this Commonwealth Games opening ceremony the most Woke ever?

What was woke about it?
I didn't watch, but would be interested.

Tom Daly and the flags of countries where homosexuality is still illegal. Small snippet in 2 h 20 min...

#
yes very rude to countries competing I would think as a host - You dont invite guests to your home and make a protest at their views as they walk in

Indeed, as if the Commonwealth hasn't got enough problems at the moment maintaining unity.

Pressure in private fine, humiliation of some member nations in the opening ceremony no

I doubt the Queen will be happy

I expect the Queen will be privately furious, the aftermath of the above in the nations mentioned in the Commonwealth could make this week's Lambeth Conference of the Anglican Communion look like a model of harmony

Hahaha

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Mauretania outlawed slavery as long ago as... 1981.

Lenny Henry still appeared as a TV stand up comedian until --- 2018

solarflare said:

MattW said:

Ooops.

Nadine Dorries does not exactly help herself:

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.
https://twitter.com/Dennynews/status/1552552688801423360

At least it has the Rugby League 7's.

Rishi "northern bastard" Sunak will have to pretend to be well into it

Leon said:

Speaking of slaving to the New World I just slaved over a fantastic Brazilian fish stew, here is the recipe

https://www.feastingathome.com/brazilian-fish-stew-aka-moqueca/


Quite easy to do, probably needs a bit more heat (it's an American recipe), and a delicious, tasty variation on an Asian coconut fish curry. More lime and astringency, less sweetness, and totes yum

Had it with basmati/wild rice and a flash fried, garlicky cavolo nero

Is this a cook-yourself-meal-in-a-box?

IshmaelZ said:

Chelyabinsk said:

IshmaelZ said:

black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth

Define "truth".

Slaves carried to America, by nation, 1519-1867

Portugal: 5,848,266
Britain: 3,259,443
France: 1,381,404
Spain: 1,061,524
Netherlands: 554,336
United States: 305,326
Denmark: 111,040
Total: 12,521,339

"Estimates of the total number of black slaves moved from Sub-Saharan Africa to the Muslim world range from 11-17 million"

IshmaelZ said:

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims.

This paper measures and analyzes death rates that prevailed in the Atlantic slave trade during the late 1700s... Annual death rates in this activity were 230 per thousand among the crew and 83 per thousand among slaves. The lack of immunities to the African disease environment contributed to the high death rates among the crew.

Well so fucking what?

The British transported less than half the total number of Jews exterminated in the Holocaust by the Nazis as slaves to the Americas, let alone killed them. Indeed less than 5% died on the voyage.

That does not excuse it but it was not comparable to the Holocaust

HYUFD said:

IshmaelZ said:

Chelyabinsk said:

IshmaelZ said:

black Africans were and are the victims of a crime as egregious as, and with worse and more long lasting consequences than, the Holocaust, largely at the hands of the British, and they are entitled to the truth

Define "truth".

Slaves carried to America, by nation, 1519-1867

Portugal: 5,848,266
Britain: 3,259,443
France: 1,381,404
Spain: 1,061,524
Netherlands: 554,336
United States: 305,326
Denmark: 111,040
Total: 12,521,339

"Estimates of the total number of black slaves moved from Sub-Saharan Africa to the Muslim world range from 11-17 million"

IshmaelZ said:

We shipped 3.1million Africans across the Atlantic, though rather fewer were alive at the other end. You probably think of this as free passage on the classic trade winds route on an authentic 3 masted square rigger, followed by guaranteed employment on a Caribbean island for life. Actually, a death camp, with the death perhaps slightly more drawn out than for some (not all) Auschwitz victims.

This paper measures and analyzes death rates that prevailed in the Atlantic slave trade during the late 1700s... Annual death rates in this activity were 230 per thousand among the crew and 83 per thousand among slaves. The lack of immunities to the African disease environment contributed to the high death rates among the crew.

Well so fucking what?

The British transported less than half the total number of Jews exterminated in the Holocaust by the Nazis as slaves to the Americas, let alone killed them

A record we can justly be proud of.