Truss dominates Sunak in the polling except the key one? – politicalbetting.com

"Based on those YouGov findings Rishi Sunak’s leadership ambitions are as doomed as stepmother’s chances in succeeding in a Disney film yet there is one morsel of comfort for him."

Enchanted says hello. Disney Princess becomes a loving stepmother.

Sunak is better here; less shouty; more persuasive than Truss

But it is too late for him

omfggggg

What's happened?!

WTF

What?

Carnyx said:

Bit late but perhaps one for @RochdalePioneers as well as those who claim Brexit is a doddle for impex folk.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/26/british-wine-wholesaler-leave-uk-over-post-brexit-paperwork

He's having to move to France:

'There he will set up a French company to export back to his own company in Wales.

He said the only way he could get around the “incredibly complicated” paperwork for importing alcohol was to establish a French company to export into the UK, and do the administration in the EU himself.

“I am doing what the government was suggesting, which is to have a company here and in Europe to mitigate the impact of Brexit,” he said. “What I’m doing will enable me to import and export into and out of the EU within the company itself, so that we mitigate all of the cost of importing into the UK.”'

And that's a lot of employment, profit and tax lost to the UK. As HMG should have knonw when they said "**** business, go away and set up elsewhere".

That's the same whinging individual who has been quoted a thousand times before.

If everyone is struggling, why is it always the same moaning FBPE bugger with an EU flag on his handle that is the goto to be quoted instead of thousands of different individuals all complaining?

Just rewound it and has somebody collapsed in the audience? Truss went to see if they were ok.

Here's a thought. If we assume that Truss is the next Tory prime minister, let's look at the last four. Cameron, May , Johnson and Truss. Now imagine they had been elected as new MPs in 1979 how would they have fared in their careers? The only one I can envisage making it to the cabinet is Cameron and even there I'm not entirely convinced. It is hard to imagine the other 3 getting beyond junior ministerial roles.

At some point we are going to have to think seriously about the calibre of our leaders. I'm not actually that critical of MPs in general but there are 650 of them and you would expect the cream to be rising to the top. That doesn't seem to be happening.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just rewound it and has somebody collapsed in the audience?

Something really quite bad happened, or at least something crazy. Truss' face!

Here's the dramatic moment


https://twitter.com/pimlicat/status/1551984635533557765?s=20&t=34WEgTorCTbnJCxIukNXYw

Leon said:

williamglenn said:

Did the presenter collapse?

I think the podium she was on?

Jesus

Did sound like the podium - but Liz's "Oh my god" does make me wonder if the presenter fainted (or something similar).

This is 10x more exciting than the debate!

FrankBooth said:

Here's a thought. If we assume that Truss is the next Tory prime minister, let's look at the last four. Cameron, May , Johnson and Truss. Now imagine they had been elected as new MPs in 1979 how would they have fared in their careers? The only one I can envisage making it to the cabinet is Cameron and even there I'm not entirely convinced. It is hard to imagine the other 3 getting beyond junior ministerial roles.

At some point we are going to have to think seriously about the calibre of our leaders. I'm not actually that critical of MPs in general but there are 650 of them and you would expect the cream to be rising to the top. That doesn't seem to be happening.

The electorate consistently reward politicians for lying about the future and blaming others for the present. How should ambitious politicians react to these rewards? Boris and Trump are just pre-runners of what we should expect unless the electorate somehow gets a grip themselves.

BBC's take:-
A moment of disruption while Liz Truss answers a question about the UK's support for Ukraine amid the Russian invasion.

It appears a podium has been knocked over, but we don't know for sure. Truss looks panicked as a loud crash is heard in the studio.

Leon said:

Here's the dramatic moment


https://twitter.com/pimlicat/status/1551984635533557765?s=20&t=34WEgTorCTbnJCxIukNXYw

Something falling from the ceiling?

I'm now hearing the Eastenders 'Dum-dum-du-du-du-duh' in my head.

What happened there? Sounded like a microphone falling over.

Andy_JS said:

What happened there? Sounded like a microphone falling over.

A lot more than a microphone. That crashing sound was LOUD

tlg86 said:

Leon said:

Here's the dramatic moment


https://twitter.com/pimlicat/status/1551984635533557765?s=20&t=34WEgTorCTbnJCxIukNXYw

Something falling from the ceiling?

Liz looked like she was a bit 'is she ok?' just before it.

murali_s said:

Leon said:

Jeez this is dull

The format yesterday was miles better

It’s truly unbelievable that we could have PM Truss in a few weeks time. Just reflect on that. PM Truss. WTF!!!!!

The UK’s journey from latrine to sewer will be complete in a few years time.

Fatal last words, but purely on a personal morals and standards level she would be hard pressed to be worse. So even if policies were no better or even worse, it's still an improvement.

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BartholomewRoberts said:

Carnyx said:

Bit late but perhaps one for @RochdalePioneers as well as those who claim Brexit is a doddle for impex folk.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/26/british-wine-wholesaler-leave-uk-over-post-brexit-paperwork

He's having to move to France:

'There he will set up a French company to export back to his own company in Wales.

He said the only way he could get around the “incredibly complicated” paperwork for importing alcohol was to establish a French company to export into the UK, and do the administration in the EU himself.

“I am doing what the government was suggesting, which is to have a company here and in Europe to mitigate the impact of Brexit,” he said. “What I’m doing will enable me to import and export into and out of the EU within the company itself, so that we mitigate all of the cost of importing into the UK.”'

And that's a lot of employment, profit and tax lost to the UK. As HMG should have knonw when they said "**** business, go away and set up elsewhere".

That's the same whinging individual who has been quoted a thousand times before.

If everyone is struggling, why is it always the same moaning FBPE bugger with an EU flag on his handle that is the goto to be quoted instead of thousands of different individuals all complaining?

There are so many questions left unanswered by that article, but that's definitely high up the list.

It sounds like he's decided to do his own logistics because the freight forwarders were ripping him off. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they were overcharging him in part because he was making their lives difficult at least as much as customs were. He's still going to have to do the same paperwork for cross-channel shipment, surely.

HS codes have of course long been familiar to people who export outside the EU, such as to Norway and the Channel Islands. It can be a bit of a pain to categorise your inventory but you should only need to do it once.

I hope everyone's okay in the Talk Radio studio.

It sounds like something detaching from something else and then the sound of it crashing to the ground.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Liz Truss argues that increase in NHS rise should be funded from general taxation - "we did have that money available in our budget". For better or worse, a major repudiation of Tory orthodoxy on the public finances.

Wut

I answered this on another thread. Cabinet collective responsibility means ministers have to support government policy or leave cabinet.

ping said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

What happened there? Sounded like a microphone falling over.

A lot more than a microphone. That crashing sound was LOUD

Sounded terrible on times radio.

Immediately I thought the worst.

High profile event could it have been targeted?

Who knows. Whatever it was, I hope it was an accident.

It didn't sound anything like a bomb or an attack, and it happened right where the presenter was standing (judging by Truss' reaction). So hopefully just a nasty accident with a podium/rig, but no one badly hurt

Quite alarming tho

eek said:

Arj Singh
@singharj
News UK spokeswoman: "There's been a medical issue, it's not a security issue and the candidates are okay" - "if we can get back on air we will"

But a medical issue doesn’t create a loud crashing noise

It does if she falls on the lectern knocking it over.

eek said:

Arj Singh
@singharj
News UK spokeswoman: "There's been a medical issue, it's not a security issue and the candidates are okay" - "if we can get back on air we will"

But a medical issue doesn’t create a loud crashing noise

It could do, if someone collapsed into the set.

turbotubbs said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Liz Truss argues that increase in NHS rise should be funded from general taxation - "we did have that money available in our budget". For better or worse, a major repudiation of Tory orthodoxy on the public finances.

Wut

I answered this on another thread. Cabinet collective responsibility means ministers have to support government policy or leave cabinet.

So why didn't she? It's a pretty major series of policy failures she seems to be identifying, the sort of thing she supposedly feels strongly about. And it's still a repudiation, even with collective responsibility - she cannot simultaneously claim it was an incredible government and also that it has royally f*cked up on major policy issues, when maintaining that policy is apparently beyond the pale.

Or at least she shouldn't be able to simultaneously claim it.

A medical issue? A heart attack?

Then why the awful crashing sound?

Leon said:

A medical issue? A heart attack?

Then why the awful crashing sound?

Cos you have a clip on mic and fall into the set.

eek said:

Arj Singh
@singharj
News UK spokeswoman: "There's been a medical issue, it's not a security issue and the candidates are okay" - "if we can get back on air we will"

But a medical issue doesn’t create a loud crashing noise

Unless she fainted and that caused something she was connected to to fall?

kle4 said:

turbotubbs said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Liz Truss argues that increase in NHS rise should be funded from general taxation - "we did have that money available in our budget". For better or worse, a major repudiation of Tory orthodoxy on the public finances.

Wut

I answered this on another thread. Cabinet collective responsibility means ministers have to support government policy or leave cabinet.

So why didn't she? It's a pretty major series of policy failures she seems to be identifying, the sort of thing she supposedly feels strongly about. And it's still a repudiation, even with collective responsibility - she cannot simultaneously claim it was an incredible government and also that it has royally f*cked up on major policy issues, when maintaining that policy is apparently beyond the pale.

Or at least she shouldn't be able to simultaneously claim it.

Of course you can. You can think its better to remain inside the tent making your case than going to the backbenches handing more power to those who don't think like you.

People are going to go mad analysing that little look over to Sunak, followed by the rush to help.

I'll start - Sunak reacted like a fighter pilot and Truss took his lead. Sub.

wooliedyed said:

IshmaelZ said:

Cool. She reacts, recovers and then ADVANCES to investigate before it all cuts out. The new Ellen Ripley.

Bye bye Sunak. Game over.

When things go your way...... i mean im hoping Kate is OK of course but Truss getting to be Mumma Bear whilst Robot Rishi has an aide assist (after getting him a coffee) etc etc

The camera was on Truss, for all we know Rishi might have rushed over first.

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

Did McCann have a podium near her for water etc.? Perhaps she stumbled and fell through something.

She did.

Pretty hard to fall over anything there, unless the poor lady just collapsed

I'm going to guess something fell from that ceiling....

8:48
BREAKING
Presenter 'fainted and collapsed'
A well informed source has told the BBC the Tory debate crashed off air because presenter Kate McCann is understood to have fainted and collapsed. She was presenting alone, after Harry Cole pulled out with Covid.

We'll bring you more when we have it.

BartholomewRoberts said:

kle4 said:

turbotubbs said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Liz Truss argues that increase in NHS rise should be funded from general taxation - "we did have that money available in our budget". For better or worse, a major repudiation of Tory orthodoxy on the public finances.

Wut

I answered this on another thread. Cabinet collective responsibility means ministers have to support government policy or leave cabinet.

So why didn't she? It's a pretty major series of policy failures she seems to be identifying, the sort of thing she supposedly feels strongly about. And it's still a repudiation, even with collective responsibility - she cannot simultaneously claim it was an incredible government and also that it has royally f*cked up on major policy issues, when maintaining that policy is apparently beyond the pale.

Or at least she shouldn't be able to simultaneously claim it.

Of course you can. You can think its better to remain inside the tent making your case than going to the backbenches handing more power to those who don't think like you.

No, I don't buy it. You can claim that for some smaller things, or even a significant thing or two, but she seems to be arguing all the governments she served under were fundamentally in error about how to address basic economic problems. At a certain level the 'stay in the tent' argument does not work (and I bet people do not extend that courtesy to, say, Keir Starmer).

At that point you are just making things worse by staying in the tent, since she apparently had zero success in changing that economic direction in 8 years.

This is not a case of 'I was not in favour of raising implenting policy A, but on balance better to stay as we were doing good' it is 'We were completely wrong this whole time'. What person stays backing fundamental policies they disagree with, especially as they haven't made their case at all during that period it seems?

dodrade said:

wooliedyed said:

IshmaelZ said:

Cool. She reacts, recovers and then ADVANCES to investigate before it all cuts out. The new Ellen Ripley.

Bye bye Sunak. Game over.

When things go your way...... i mean im hoping Kate is OK of course but Truss getting to be Mumma Bear whilst Robot Rishi has an aide assist (after getting him a coffee) etc etc

The camera was on Truss, for all we know Rishi might have rushed over first.

Yes i know but the camera was on Truss. When things go your way..... what was seen was her going to help.

Is she claiming we were wrong on everything? Especially since she was Foreign Secretary and seems to be saying she agrees with our Foreign Policy.

The tax rises were less than a year ago. Her policy is to go back to the prior rates promised to be kept by the Manifesto so not 8 years.

dodrade said:

wooliedyed said:

IshmaelZ said:

Cool. She reacts, recovers and then ADVANCES to investigate before it all cuts out. The new Ellen Ripley.

Bye bye Sunak. Game over.

When things go your way...... i mean im hoping Kate is OK of course but Truss getting to be Mumma Bear whilst Robot Rishi has an aide assist (after getting him a coffee) etc etc

The camera was on Truss, for all we know Rishi might have rushed over first.

Could be, but lacking visuals it'll be easy for the joke to be made. wooliedyed's already done it, and you can bet there are others floating around, like how Sunal wouldn't even have paused in his delivery or something.

All seems OK now. Phew

https://twitter.com/katyballs/status/1551988634823319565?s=20&t=09H5kIcBxMBwWq0cyr8fdg

With my cynical hat on - I wouldn't put it past Murdoch to have arranged this to give TalkTV a million times more publicity than it's had until now.

Leon said:

All seems OK now. Phew

https://twitter.com/katyballs/status/1551988634823319565?s=20&t=09H5kIcBxMBwWq0cyr8fdg

I wouldn't say its OK until we hear McCann is OK.

carnforth said:

Jonathan said:

Just tune into PB as the Scillonian arrives in Penzance to see this leadership election to achieve new levels of weirdness.

Is it still famously-sickness-inducing, or better now? I’d love to go, but I very prone to seasickness.

Dozens enjoying sick bags. Fortunately I managed to avoid that. But well worth it.

Leon said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

8:48
BREAKING
Presenter 'fainted and collapsed'
A well informed source has told the BBC the Tory debate crashed off air because presenter Kate McCann is understood to have fainted and collapsed. She was presenting alone, after Harry Cole pulled out with Covid.

We'll bring you more when we have it.

God speed and good health to Ms McCann

Covid?

Possible if she'd been working on this with the Tubby Cuck before he pulled out with it

Also, is this a cruel trick to make us leave the stream running and see Piers Morgan's show? Ffs.