Truss dominates Sunak in the polling except the key one? – politicalbetting.com
Tory members think both candidates performed well in last night's leadership debate, but more say so of Truss than SunakTrussDid well: 78%Did badly: 21%SunakDid well: 65%Did badly: 34%https://t.co/UHictqetge pic.twitter.com/qmLqXMH0YT
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Betfair next prime minister
1.27 Liz Truss 79%
4.8 Rishi Sunak 21%
Next Conservative leader
1.26 Liz Truss 79%
4.7 Rishi Sunak 21%1 -
So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?0
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At this moment, which of the following individuals do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 38%
Rishi Sunak 33%
Don't Know 29%
Keir Starmer 44%
Rishi Sunak 29%
Don't Know 27%
Keir Starmer 40%
Liz Truss 35%
Don't Know 25%0 -
Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%0 -
@wooliedyed perhaps Truss should risk a GE? Before the economic headwinds get too bad?0
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(FPT)Interesting thread discussing evidence on the early cases of the pandemic in Wuhan.
https://twitter.com/MichaelWorobey/status/1551949557205938176
Our preprints on the origin of SARS-CoV-2 have now been peer reviewed and published as a pair of Research Articles by @ScienceMagazine
Well worth a read for those still interested.0 -
Dare I click on the link in the header?
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Good headline, @TheScreamingEagles . If I didn’t know better I’d think an experienced sub had written it.4
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A large swing in the Red Wall, the new Tory either needs to find a way to keep those gains or go big on winning the Lib Dem targets again0
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It is safetlg86 said:Dare I click on the link in the header?
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Not sure but looking at the figures against VI, it also means an awful lot of Labour voters dont think Starmer would be a better PM either.....CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
I'd suggest the figures are a little skewed because Rishi ravers dont want Liz and vice versa. It will settle once election completed0 -
Yes.tlg86 said:Dare I click on the link in the header?
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I have form, the weekend after Mrs May announced her snap election.El_Capitano said:Good headline, @TheScreamingEagles . If I didn’t know better I’d think an experienced sub had written it.
It seems every day new record breaking polls come out implying that the Tories are going win a stonking landslide on June the 8th, whilst Jeremy Corbyn and Labour would suffer less punishment if they booked 400 dominatrices concurrently that night and chose ‘mower’ as their safe word.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/04/23/why-a-1997-style-landslide-or-even-a-1983-style-landslide-might-not-happen-but-maybe-a-2005-style-majority-of-66-will/3 -
If she gets a lead of anything over 5 points i would suggest going for it. She either gets 5 years to ride out the storm or is LOTO against a ridiculously weak Starmer multi party coalition/minorityCorrectHorseBattery said:@wooliedyed perhaps Truss should risk a GE? Before the economic headwinds get too bad?
But its carrying the party/convincing them its the best chance0 -
URL for tonight's Sun/TalkTV debate at 6pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngb9770xx100 -
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%0 -
He has changed his tune, this is him in March 2021Nigelb said:(FPT)Interesting thread discussing evidence on the early cases of the pandemic in Wuhan.
https://twitter.com/MichaelWorobey/status/1551949557205938176
Our preprints on the origin of SARS-CoV-2 have now been peer reviewed and published as a pair of Research Articles by @ScienceMagazine
Well worth a read for those still interested.
That [seafood market in Wuhan] was definitely connected to a lot of the early cases, but it's now clear that the epidemic started well before that," said Canadian researcher Michael Worobey, professor and head of the University of Arizona's Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology.
"Rather than being the source of early infections from animals to humans in that market, it was probably really a human-to-human amplifier of outbreak," Worobey told Quirks & Quarks host, Bob McDonald.
Current thread says it started in the seafood market, no ifs or buts. Bit hard to take seriously.0 -
Hold up this is 2019 CON voters.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%0 -
However im far from convinced she will get a 5 point lead outwith Opiniumwooliedyed said:
If she gets a lead of anything over 5 points i would suggest going for it. She either gets 5 years to ride out the storm or is LOTO against a ridiculously weak Starmer multi party coalition/minorityCorrectHorseBattery said:@wooliedyed perhaps Truss should risk a GE? Before the economic headwinds get too bad?
But its carrying the party/convincing them its the best chance0 -
Is that based on current voting intention or 2019 vote?CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
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Is that Conservative 2019? Or Conservative now?CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%1 -
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%0 -
For reference, mondays poll saw 15% 2019 Tory go Starmer over Truss but 13% 2019 Labour go Truss over Starnerdixiedean said:
Is that Conservative 2019? Or Conservative now?CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%0 -
Dunno, trying to find outDriver said:
Is that based on current voting intention or 2019 vote?CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
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Redfield usually breaks it down by 2019 vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Dunno, trying to find outDriver said:
Is that based on current voting intention or 2019 vote?CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-12-13-june-2022/0 -
The person behind Labour's social media team has got some game.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/15519332913385472063 -
They called themselves Tory Debate Watch yesterday!TheScreamingEagles said:The person behind Labour's social media team has got some game.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/15519332913385472061 -
So if that is the assumption, a third of 2019 Tory voters think Keir Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.williamglenn said:
Redfield usually breaks it down by 2019 vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Dunno, trying to find outDriver said:
Is that based on current voting intention or 2019 vote?CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-12-13-june-2022/
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I assumed yesterday that the opening shot was showing two holograms, but I've seen it suggested that it was actually a live shot of them. Does anyone know the answer?TheScreamingEagles said:The person behind Labour's social media team has got some game.
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But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predisposed and programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%0 -
Rishi has taken so long a walk in the last 24 hours he's practically at John O'Groats.DecrepiterJohnL said:Betfair next prime minister
1.27 Liz Truss 79%
4.8 Rishi Sunak 21%
Next Conservative leader
1.26 Liz Truss 79%
4.7 Rishi Sunak 21%2 -
Yes indeedy - one to study over the next few months.wooliedyed said:
But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predispo andsed programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
If Truss starts behind though, it's not going to go well if the economy goes in the toilet.0 -
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1551943885424939008
Liz Truss says she will legislate to deny workers the right to strike, despite unions warning that this would lead to an all out general strike.
I'd love to see how Truss plans to force workers, to work against their will. Also, what that might be called. ~AA
So Liz is against basic democratic rights then? Should we not be allowed to strike?2 -
On thread header topic, I see what you did there.0
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Very goodTheScreamingEagles said:The person behind Labour's social media team has got some game.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1551933291338547206
Sunak's a shouty little Tory boy.0 -
She will likely surge to start as the Tories recoalesce and 'new thing' voters. She'll get a limited honeymoon to either use or bed down for the run in to late 2024CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes indeedy - one to study over the next few months.wooliedyed said:
But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predispo andsed programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
If Truss starts behind though, it's not going to go well if the economy goes in the toilet.0 -
So we will see if she's Gordo or Johnson.wooliedyed said:
She will likely surge to start as the Tories recoalesce and 'new thing' voters. She'll get a limited honeymoon to either use or bed down for the run in to late 2024CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes indeedy - one to study over the next few months.wooliedyed said:
But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predispo andsed programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
If Truss starts behind though, it's not going to go well if the economy goes in the toilet.
The economy is not making me confident about her chances of success1 -
Listened to TalkRadio on the way home, which is as close to ConMember radio as you'll get. Just wall to wall presenters and phone ins negative on Rishi.
Not only is he behind he also has all the forces against him.0 -
Deleted - using out of date figures.CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
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Hearing Team Rishi is wobbling and considering announcing some immediate multi-billion tax cuts... fancy that! Seems like they will be affordable after all now he's trailing badly.0 -
It is 2019 voters. For comparison, 16% of 2019 Labour voters prefer Truss to SKSCorrectHorseBattery said:
So if that is the assumption, a third of 2019 Tory voters think Keir Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.williamglenn said:
Redfield usually breaks it down by 2019 vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Dunno, trying to find outDriver said:
Is that based on current voting intention or 2019 vote?CorrectHorseBattery said:So a third of Tory voters in the Red Wall think Keir would be a better PM than Truss? Is this historically high or not? Anyone got anything to compare it to?
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-12-13-june-2022/
(in the Red Wall)
So better for Starmer but reflective too of the change in VI from 2019 to now0 -
Hopefully we will get hypothetical polling with these leaders on VI vs Labour.
That was what got Johnson the job.0 -
Brilliant use of Chris Mason's "FFS" right at the end; a perfect summary.TheScreamingEagles said:The person behind Labour's social media team has got some game.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/15519332913385472061 -
Attlee faced a much more difficult economic situation.CorrectHorseBattery said:
So we will see if she's Gordo or Johnson.wooliedyed said:
She will likely surge to start as the Tories recoalesce and 'new thing' voters. She'll get a limited honeymoon to either use or bed down for the run in to late 2024CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes indeedy - one to study over the next few months.wooliedyed said:
But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predispo andsed programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
If Truss starts behind though, it's not going to go well if the economy goes in the toilet.
The economy is not making me confident about her chances of success0 -
She will need the assistance of not inconsiderable smoke and mirrorsCorrectHorseBattery said:
So we will see if she's Gordo or Johnson.wooliedyed said:
She will likely surge to start as the Tories recoalesce and 'new thing' voters. She'll get a limited honeymoon to either use or bed down for the run in to late 2024CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes indeedy - one to study over the next few months.wooliedyed said:
But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predispo andsed programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
If Truss starts behind though, it's not going to go well if the economy goes in the toilet.
The economy is not making me confident about her chances of success0 -
That would surely destroy his credibility after last night's performance.eek said:
Guido Fawkes
@GuidoFawkes
Hearing Team Rishi is wobbling and considering announcing some immediate multi-billion tax cuts... fancy that! Seems like they will be affordable after all now he's trailing badly.0 -
Truss to cancel Rishi's planned rise in Corporation Tax you say?Pulpstar said:Listened to TalkRadio on the way home, which is as close to ConMember radio as you'll get. Just wall to wall presenters and phone ins negative on Rishi.
Not only is he behind he also has all the forces against him.0 -
Attlee had essentially run the domestic agenda during WW2.williamglenn said:
Attlee faced a much more difficult economic situation.CorrectHorseBattery said:
So we will see if she's Gordo or Johnson.wooliedyed said:
She will likely surge to start as the Tories recoalesce and 'new thing' voters. She'll get a limited honeymoon to either use or bed down for the run in to late 2024CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes indeedy - one to study over the next few months.wooliedyed said:
But do also remember we are in a leadership battle. Rishi backers are predispo andsed programmed to vote not Truss and Truss backers the same re Rishi. The key issue for them right now is the leadership not the next GECorrectHorseBattery said:
Do note this is CONSERVATIVE voters, not all voters as I originally read it as. A third of Tory voters think Starmer would be a better PM than Truss.Pulpstar said:
Christ.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer will be absolutely delighted with those numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
If Truss starts behind though, it's not going to go well if the economy goes in the toilet.
The economy is not making me confident about her chances of success2 -
Note that 50% of Tory members thought Truss won the debate. So that means if all the undecideds voted for Sunak it could still be very close0
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I hate strikes, they piss me off.
But I am afraid trying to legislate against them puts us down a very dark road indeed.2 -
Note that 50% of Tory members thought Truss won the debate. So that means if all the undecideds voted for Sunak it could still be very close0
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Are they the ones he'd already pencilled in for 2023/4?williamglenn said:
That would surely destroy his credibility after last night's performance.eek said:
Guido Fawkes
@GuidoFawkes
Hearing Team Rishi is wobbling and considering announcing some immediate multi-billion tax cuts... fancy that! Seems like they will be affordable after all now he's trailing badly.0 -
Sunak has no political ability at all.0
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Dirty tricks!eek said:
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Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)0 -
Off topic but may be of interests to geologists on here.
I have acquired some 600 square metres of land which I am very very slowly turning into a garden and potager etc. it is currently wild and this week NW Electricity have started the process of removing an electricity pole on the land and laying the connection in an underground cable. It is hard work because the rock under the land (and we are on a hill) is dolerite, which is a sort of volcanic-like - and incredibly hard - rock, as you can see below.
Raised beds in the potager anyway. Even digging up a small bed in the front garden brought up quantities of the stuff. Imagine doing 600 sq mtrs!!
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Lol Flip flop Rishi.tlg86 said:
Dirty tricks!eek said:
Guido Fawkes
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That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.
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After GE19 most of the money has been spent on London.dixiedean said:
That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.
Vote Labour, the only party to have actually levelled up this country in the last thirty years.1 -
FPT @Sean_F
Merkel made a number of serious policy mistakes during her time in office that, had it not been for her centrism, would have been put down to populism.2 -
Great! I’m working on a pier restoration project for which we need 500+ m3 of dolerite type rock. Mind if we establish a quarry in your garden?😁Cyclefree said:Off topic but may be of interests to geologists on here.
I have acquired some 600 square metres of land which I am very very slowly turning into a garden and potager etc. it is currently wild and this week NW Electricity have started the process of removing an electricity pole on the land and laying the connection in an underground cable. It is hard work because the rock under the land (and we are on a hill) is dolerite, which is a sort of volcanic-like - and incredibly hard - rock, as you can see below.
Raised beds in the potager anyway. Even digging up a small bed in the front garden brought up quantities of the stuff. Imagine doing 600 sq mtrs!!
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Don't they mine that stuff round there?Cyclefree said:Off topic but may be of interests to geologists on here.
I have acquired some 600 square metres of land which I am very very slowly turning into a garden and potager etc. it is currently wild and this week NW Electricity have started the process of removing an electricity pole on the land and laying the connection in an underground cable. It is hard work because the rock under the land (and we are on a hill) is dolerite, which is a sort of volcanic-like - and incredibly hard - rock, as you can see below.
Raised beds in the potager anyway. Even digging up a small bed in the front garden brought up quantities of the stuff. Imagine doing 600 sq mtrs!!
You could see if anyone might want to buy it if you get enough collected.0 -
A interesting comparison is with the latest (24th July) R&W poll amongst all 2019 Conservative voters across the whole country. Sunak led Starmer as best PM by 32% (55% to 23%) and Truss by +45% (60% to 15%).CorrectHorseBattery said:Which of the following individuals do Conservative Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (25-26 July)
Liz Truss 47%
Rishi Sunak 34%
Don't Know 20%
Rishi Sunak 48%
Keir Starmer 33%
Don't Know 27%
Liz Truss 54%
Keir Starmer 27%
Don't Know 20%
So the margins amongst Red Wall 2019 Conservatives are much narrower than for 2019 Consevatives as a whole, at a pretty paltry +15% and +27% for Sunak and Truss respectively. That is good news for Starmer in the seats he needs to win back.0 -
HERE WE GO0
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Liz 'Mum's the word in Helsinki' Truss
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Rishi 'vanillaboy' Sunak
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I see someone does already!dixiedean said:
Don't they mine that stuff round there?Cyclefree said:Off topic but may be of interests to geologists on here.
I have acquired some 600 square metres of land which I am very very slowly turning into a garden and potager etc. it is currently wild and this week NW Electricity have started the process of removing an electricity pole on the land and laying the connection in an underground cable. It is hard work because the rock under the land (and we are on a hill) is dolerite, which is a sort of volcanic-like - and incredibly hard - rock, as you can see below.
Raised beds in the potager anyway. Even digging up a small bed in the front garden brought up quantities of the stuff. Imagine doing 600 sq mtrs!!
You could see if anyone might want to buy it if you get enough collected.0 -
FPT - if we are heading to a new Elizabethan era, and given that a generation is much shorter, will we see Indyref 2 next month?0
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New research out from @IPPRNorth today shows public spending since ‘levelling up’ was unveiled - three years ago this week - has risen more in London than anywhere else; lowest rises in the north. It says levelling up has been ‘business as usual’ https://t.co/zGFz82WVLldixiedean said:
That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.
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Slightly worried that Liz thinks 'the next election will be about the cost of living '.
Shouldn't we be doing something about it before an election in two years time?!?!0 -
That's the same already-debunked article that was loudly publicised then embarrassingly demolished several months backNigelb said:(FPT)Interesting thread discussing evidence on the early cases of the pandemic in Wuhan.
https://twitter.com/MichaelWorobey/status/1551949557205938176
Our preprints on the origin of SARS-CoV-2 have now been peer reviewed and published as a pair of Research Articles by @ScienceMagazine
Well worth a read for those still interested.
And look at the co-authors: Angela Rasmussen, Kristian Andersen, on and on, and all part of the conspiracy to silence lab leak at the beginning
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And yet. It has been noted more than once that folk down South think they are struggling because all the money is being spent up North.Foxy said:
New research out from @IPPRNorth today shows public spending since ‘levelling up’ was unveiled - three years ago this week - has risen more in London than anywhere else; lowest rises in the north. It says levelling up has been ‘business as usual’ https://t.co/zGFz82WVLldixiedean said:
That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.
That's some good politics, there.3 -
Does Liz Truss sound more nasal than last night?0
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SHE'S WEARING THE NECKLACE2
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Are they doing this again?
Off to the beach, then.
Laters.1 -
Interesting to see labour, the party of open door migration, so ahead on that subject.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
I’d guess that post brexit people are far more relaxed about migration. Over a million people came in the last 12 months, including 400,000 students, and barely a murmur.0 -
I think for that to be serious you'd need the massive fiscal transfers the FDR made to the former GDR post reunification.Foxy said:
New research out from @IPPRNorth today shows public spending since ‘levelling up’ was unveiled - three years ago this week - has risen more in London than anywhere else; lowest rises in the north. It says levelling up has been ‘business as usual’ https://t.co/zGFz82WVLldixiedean said:
That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.
In reality it's meant a few million here and there for some town centre facelifts and a bit of HS2/transpennine.
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dixiedean said:
That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.
I think someone earlier (Richard Nabavi?) nailed it when he said success for Boris is just the rhetoric and the speech.dixiedean said:
That's a huge lead on levelling up.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
Especially since it's a Conservative flagship policy taken in the area it's supposed to benefit.2 -
Bit late but perhaps one for @RochdalePioneers as well as those who claim Brexit is a doddle for impex folk.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/26/british-wine-wholesaler-leave-uk-over-post-brexit-paperwork
He's having to move to France:
'There he will set up a French company to export back to his own company in Wales.
He said the only way he could get around the “incredibly complicated” paperwork for importing alcohol was to establish a French company to export into the UK, and do the administration in the EU himself.
“I am doing what the government was suggesting, which is to have a company here and in Europe to mitigate the impact of Brexit,” he said. “What I’m doing will enable me to import and export into and out of the EU within the company itself, so that we mitigate all of the cost of importing into the UK.”'
And that's a lot of employment, profit and tax lost to the UK. As HMG should have knonw when they said "**** business, go away and set up elsewhere".3 -
Rishi's best hope is to stick to his guns and hope to be vindicated in time, probably in opposition.tlg86 said:
Dirty tricks!eek said:
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Hearing Team Rishi is wobbling and considering announcing some immediate multi-billion tax cuts... fancy that! Seems like they will be affordable after all now he's trailing badly.
He's not going to win this one.1 -
Get a megaton of topsoil and dump it on top.Cyclefree said:Off topic but may be of interests to geologists on here.
I have acquired some 600 square metres of land which I am very very slowly turning into a garden and potager etc. it is currently wild and this week NW Electricity have started the process of removing an electricity pole on the land and laying the connection in an underground cable. It is hard work because the rock under the land (and we are on a hill) is dolerite, which is a sort of volcanic-like - and incredibly hard - rock, as you can see below.
Raised beds in the potager anyway. Even digging up a small bed in the front garden brought up quantities of the stuff. Imagine doing 600 sq mtrs!!
ETA it's what Osgood Mackenzie did at Inverewe.0 -
OTOH some polling showed it was No 2 concern amongst Tory voters/party members (can't recall which, members I think) recently. Some disconnect somewhere.Taz said:
Interesting to see labour, the party of open door migration, so ahead on that subject.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour leads Conservatives in ALL issues but Ukraine.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Conservative | Labour)
Pandemic (27% | 31%)
The NHS (20% | 40%)
Immigration (21% | 30%)
The Economy (26% | 33%)
Levelling Up (18% | 38%)
I’d guess that post brexit people are far more relaxed about migration. Over a million people came in the last 12 months, including 400,000 students, and barely a murmur.1 -
Still coming up with that generation nonsense? It was old crap when Henry VIII was around, for heaven's sake.HYUFD said:
No both Truss and Sunak oppose the UK government recognising an indyref2 before a generation has elapsedsarissa said:FPT - if we are heading to a new Elizabethan era, and given that a generation is much shorter, will we see Indyref 2 next month?
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Hospitals falling apart on whose watch, lizzie?0
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Jeez this is dull
The format yesterday was miles better0 -
Tory freedom is a very strange freedom. It seems to involve taking a lot of freedoms away from people.CorrectHorseBattery said:I hate strikes, they piss me off.
But I am afraid trying to legislate against them puts us down a very dark road indeed.
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Sunak's tendency to use policy wonk vocabulary is really unfortunate: "Grip inflation", "surgical hubs to crack through the backlog". If I were waiting for an operation, I wouldn't want to hear that.0
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Bit bats asking them whether one should personally go vegetarian?0
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Hopefully the football will be better later.Leon said:Jeez this is dull
The format yesterday was miles better
This is shyte. Both utterly unconvincing.0 -
Oh are they at it again?
Right. Telly on.0 -
Has a 'new boy at McKinsey who's over-prepped his presentation' feel.williamglenn said:Sunak's tendency to use policy wonk vocabulary is really unfortunate: "Grip inflation", "surgical hubs to crack through the backlog". If I were waiting for an operation, I wouldn't want to hear that.
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Has anyone else noticed how team PB Johnson/ Truss is painting Sunak to be as useless a loser as they have painted Starmer over the last two years?
I certainly think they have decided who is the next Conservative Party Leader.2 -
They're tying Starmer for boring whilst having to defend 12 years of failure...1
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Rishi has forgotten about the NIC threshold rise that will add more to pay packets this week.0
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Stream is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngb9770xx10 if it's easier.kinabalu said:Oh are they at it again?
Right. Telly on.2 -
Liz Truss argues that increase in NHS rise should be funded from general taxation - "we did have that money available in our budget". For better or worse, a major repudiation of Tory orthodoxy on the public finances.
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