How will the Tory betting look after tonight’s TV debate? – politicalbetting.com
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I had very low expectations of Liz Truss and she hasn't failed me.
She also appears as if a mortician had been at her. Odd.8 -
Penny vs Starmer would be an election about ideas, it would be incredibly dull and I can't wait!0
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When do they talk about pork and cheese? Truss might be better on familiar ground0
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Called it, I am a seer.TheScreamingEagles said:I’m in the Opinium panel that is going to cover this debate.
I can declare that Kemi and Liz have lost tonight’s debate.0 -
LibDem breakthrough!CorrectHorseBattery said:Penny vs Starmer would be an election about ideas, it would be incredibly dull and I can't wait!
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I prefer listening to TiT than watching him. A Prime Minister for the radio?0
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The audience really ought to be Tory MPs.1
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Don't you think she looks tired?
Liz Truss is like the former PM Harriet Jones.3 -
Being unable to watch C4 this evening for reasons I shan't bore you all with, I'm enjoying reading the running commentary. Will be interesting to see whether or not the universal PB opprobrium being directed towards Truss means she's about to crash and burn, or triumph with a selectorate that seems attracted to awfulness, like so many flies swarming towards the irresistible blue glow of the insectocutor.2
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Not watching live, running behind, but I do like how weird these things are, when the random public are watching and being appealed to, even though we've not even gotten to the member stage yet, and the MPs and members will want very different things to the public.
I suppose the hope is someone shines and if the general public is shown backing them that will influence members, but its still weird, as no way they'd all say the same things if it was a room of only MPs, or Tory members.0 -
Haha, Tughendat has compared himself to Longbottom.0
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You're very optimistic. Penny vs Starmer could be two people with basically the same ideas arguing about a 0.1% difference in the size of the state.CorrectHorseBattery said:Penny vs Starmer would be an election about ideas, it would be incredibly dull and I can't wait!
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Truss is the least human here.. woeful.1
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Sunak completely lacking charisma
This is bad
Only Mordaunt and Badenoch sounding vaguely human, Tugendhat is irrelevantly quirky
Truss' campaign ends tonight0 -
I agree with Kemi is the new sound bite!! LOL2
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They will be watching and those for Truss from behind the sofatlg86 said:The audience really ought to be Tory MPs.
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You know what - Rishi might annihilate Truss with the members.
Once members watch this and future debate they might revise their opinions very quickly.
But MPs should still vote for Penny.2 -
Truss has no friends so she will appoint the best people…0
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She gets my vote, if I had one, just for that alone.IanB2 said:Devastating critique of the clown from Kemi,
No jobs for JRM or Dorries under her!
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Remember when Theresa May bottled the debate and send in Amber Rudd as a substitute? Truss badly needed to send in someone else to do this for her.
Wooden, cold, excusing, woolly.0 -
This Tugendhat c*nt has a French mother, FFS
NO. NO NO NO-3 -
She could have sent Boris.RochdalePioneers said:Remember when Theresa May bottled the debate and send in Amber Rudd as a substitute? Truss badly needed to send in someone else to do this for her.
Wooden, cold, excusing, woolly.7 -
@TheScreamingEagles I said this right at the startCasino_Royale said:Liz Truss looks really tired.
She's clearly stressed and drained by this experience0 -
Rishi, do not try and excuse things. Accept you got it wrong and leave it at that.0
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Someone who would have become the architect of Britain's Golden Age, according to the Doctor, but was unfairly brought down before she could do because he didn't like her doing something he disapproved of (even though it was perfectly reasonable)?TheScreamingEagles said:Don't you think she looks tired?
Liz Truss is like the former PM Harriet Jones.1 -
Rishi the best for me. Truss worst.0
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I like to condense things
Here are my two word assessments of each candidate
Truss - haziest bluster (I’ll never do better than that anagram)
Sunak - Putin’s favourite
Mordant - woo woo?
Tugendhat - ok gone
Badenoch - wtf not
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Was that deliberate Krishnan?0
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I'm struggling to see who Mordaunt would appoint as Chancellor.
Sunak - Tainted over his tax affairs. Too Osbornian?
Javid - see Sunak
Zahawi - question mark about his tax position
Gove - can he be trusted?
Hunt - campaign flopped and he isn't popular in the country
Badenoch - Inexperienced which probably isn't what Penny needs
Norman - not been in the cabinet
Truss - not very popular and radical
I wonder if Jesse Norman might be the best bet? Financial secretary to the Treasury and worked for Barclays. I fear it may be Leadsom.0 -
Oh come onLeon said:This Tugendhat c*nt has a French mother, FFS
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In first presidential debate in 1960, folks who heard it over the radio thought Nixon was the winner.stjohn said:I prefer listening to TiT than watching him. A Prime Minister for the radio?
Whereas the TV audience judged Kennedy the victor. And the rest as they say, is history.3 -
Kemi defending Rishi lol0
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So it's likely?rottenborough said:1 -
Kemi doesn't attack anyone. She has a humanity about her that resonates.0
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Or Dorries! Or Rees-Mogg!williamglenn said:
She could have sent Boris.RochdalePioneers said:Remember when Theresa May bottled the debate and send in Amber Rudd as a substitute? Truss badly needed to send in someone else to do this for her.
Wooden, cold, excusing, woolly.0 -
But the look she just gave Penny!Casino_Royale said:Kemi doesn't attack anyone. She has a humanity about her that resonates.
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Mordaunt comes across as trying too hard. I think she needs to pick a position and stick to it. (E.g., is she anti-Boris or pro-Boris?) She comes across better than TT, but you know where TT stands.
Kemi coming across well, but sometimes seems a little green.
Sunak is the one who has charisma. He has answers. They’re not always convincing, but he’s fluent.
All of them are ducking the questions! Only TT has a clear answer to the Boris question that hangs over everything so far.0 -
Kemi rocks0
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You’re running well ahead of the rest of us there.FrankBooth said:I'm struggling to see who Mordaunt would appoint as Chancellor.
Sunak - Tainted over his tax affairs. Too Osbornian?
Javid - see Sunak
Zahawi - question mark about his tax position
Gove - can he be trusted?
Hunt - campaign flopped and he isn't popular in the country
Badenoch - Inexperienced which probably isn't what Penny needs
Norman - not been in the cabinet
Truss - not very popular and radical
I wonder if Jesse Norman might be the best bet? Financial secretary to the Treasury and worked for Barclays. I fear it may be Leadsom.0 -
Mordaunt very whiny about the trans thing. And now an overly complex answer.0
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Boris Johnson is mad, bad and stupid, but he is at least funny.RochdalePioneers said:
Or Dorries! Or Rees-Mogg!williamglenn said:
She could have sent Boris.RochdalePioneers said:Remember when Theresa May bottled the debate and send in Amber Rudd as a substitute? Truss badly needed to send in someone else to do this for her.
Wooden, cold, excusing, woolly.
I misheard that question. I thought KGM said 'do you have sex with Penny Mordaunt's stance?'0 -
Fight! Fight! Fight!0
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She’s just flat out accused Penny of lying.tlg86 said:
But the look she just gave Penny!Casino_Royale said:Kemi doesn't attack anyone. She has a humanity about her that resonates.
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TSE calling Truss Harriet Jones on Twitter is insulting to Harriet Jones.
Mind you, Jones got exterminated by a Dalek. Truss looks like she has had the same experience but is fighting on.1 -
Kemi's teeth are awful.
If she cannot be bothered to look after her teeth she will not look after her country.0 -
That being said.. Badenoch just attacked Penny Mordaunt and implored Liz Truss to tell the truth!
But, she did so because she wanted to be true rather than loyal.0 -
Why did they all make such a mess of a simple question about trusting the other candidates? Just say yes you do, no matter how ridiculous that might be, but it was just verbiage splurting out.0
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Wow. Kemi just blew the depth charge.
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It might just be the first thing one of them has said that the audience believed all night!bondegezou said:
She’s just flat out accused Penny of lying.tlg86 said:
But the look she just gave Penny!Casino_Royale said:Kemi doesn't attack anyone. She has a humanity about her that resonates.
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Actually decent from Truss on trans.0
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Kemi and Mordaunt calling each other liars. And now Truss starts waffling to "tell the Truth Liz" barbs from Penny0
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Penny did not come out of that well0
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Oh Penny0
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Would it? It struck me earlier how very similar their offers are.CorrectHorseBattery said:Penny vs Starmer would be an election about ideas, it would be incredibly dull and I can't wait!
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Ha! I take the opposite view. People who (unnecessarily) get their teeth straightened don't have the right priorities in life.TheScreamingEagles said:Kemi's teeth are awful.
If she cannot be bothered to look after her teeth she will not look after her country.3 -
She could always steal Kemi's idea, put Kemi in charge of the Number 10 economic growth unit, and give what's left to someone else. It'll save her time in office from showboating Chancellors.FrankBooth said:I'm struggling to see who Mordaunt would appoint as Chancellor.
Sunak - Tainted over his tax affairs. Too Osbornian?
Javid - see Sunak
Zahawi - question mark about his tax position
Gove - can he be trusted?
Hunt - campaign flopped and he isn't popular in the country
Badenoch - Inexperienced which probably isn't what Penny needs
Norman - not been in the cabinet
Truss - not very popular and radical
I wonder if Jesse Norman might be the best bet? Financial secretary to the Treasury and worked for Barclays. I fear it may be Leadsom.0 -
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Absolutely. That was a truly bracing burst of genuineness.tlg86 said:
Ha! I take the opposite view. People who (unnecessarily) get their teeth straightened don't have the right priorities in life.TheScreamingEagles said:Kemi's teeth are awful.
If she cannot be bothered to look after her teeth she will not look after her country.0 -
Penny is going to get stuck0
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Penny over complicating things , starting to struggle now .0
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That is sort of ascribing literacy to him. I would be happier if he were the spawn of a sow or a she goat.Leon said:
How can this be off-topicked?Leon said:This Tugendhat c*nt has a French mother, FFS
NO. NO NO NO
HE HAS A FRENCH MOTHER
That's like having JE SUIS A TRAITOR tattooe'd on your forehead0 -
Rishi seemed to lose the crowd on partygate.ydoethur said:Rishi, do not try and excuse things. Accept you got it wrong and leave it at that.
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Penny is flapping, I don't think it's her time.0
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Given her attempts to be continuity Boris candidate I am sure she would have if she could.williamglenn said:
She could have sent Boris.RochdalePioneers said:Remember when Theresa May bottled the debate and send in Amber Rudd as a substitute? Truss badly needed to send in someone else to do this for her.
Wooden, cold, excusing, woolly.0 -
This debate is positively fizzing with exciting ideas as to how to take our country forward, and you think we should just choose the one with the worst teeth??tlg86 said:
Ha! I take the opposite view. People who (unnecessarily) get their teeth straightened don't have the right priorities in life.TheScreamingEagles said:Kemi's teeth are awful.
If she cannot be bothered to look after her teeth she will not look after her country.0 -
Keir Starmer must be on his second beer watching this — prime time TV, the 5 top Tories uniting to condemn their own record in government before descending into blue on blue — with no candidates particularly impressing
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Pendolino is being hit by a train0
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I still think three live TV debates is overkill for this, for that very reason.kle4 said:Not watching live, running behind, but I do like how weird these things are, when the random public are watching and being appealed to, even though we've not even gotten to the member stage yet, and the MPs and members will want very different things to the public.
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Kemi!!!!0
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I’m very annoyed to miss this bloodsport.
It won’t be the same later on YouTube.1 -
Although I hope you get it done properly - 'Je suis un traître' - and not this bastardised crap Leon came up with.CatMan said:2 -
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Not sure; I've no idea which of the three women did or said what, based on that exchange; it may be a wash for most viewers.DavidL said:Penny did not come out of that well
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Ah, a left-wing political speech from the audience.
Yawn.0 -
Perhaps she realizes, to her horror, the challenges that lay ahead IF she wins? Including increased media scrutiny, but also the immense demands upon next Prime Minister? And doubts her capacity to deal with them, not as 2nd or lesser banana, but as the Her Majesty's Great Pumpkin?Casino_Royale said:
@TheScreamingEagles I said this right at the startCasino_Royale said:Liz Truss looks really tired.
She's clearly stressed and drained by this experience
By his own account, Warren G. Harding felt that way in 1920, when he was elected President of the United States by greatest popular vote landslide (up to that time) ever recorded.
And he was right.1 -
Let's cancel the leftie, that's what we want right?0
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TSE is a closet Francophile imho…Casino_Royale said:0 -
So, half an hour in:
Tuggy: more impressive than I expected. Because I like John Major.
Truss: exterminated and hasn't noticed yet
Sunak: doing fine, though "sorry I got a fine" was a bit cringy
Mordor: sunk without a trace
Badenoch: still interesting1 -
Is she wrong?Casino_Royale said:Ah, a left-wing political speech from the audience.
Yawn.1 -
Immediately Tugendhat fails with his answer. He didn't start with 'yes.'1
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Bit strong mate. It's ok to have French ancestry.Leon said:This Tugendhat c*nt has a French mother, FFS
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Standing back, you take a look and the first thing you think is - is that it? Seriously, these are the five people the conservative party thinks are best to be next PM in a time of economic mayhem and war?CorrectHorseBattery said:Keir Starmer must be on his second beer watching this — prime time TV, the 5 top Tories uniting to condemn their own record in government before descending into blue on blue — with no candidates particularly impressing
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1548020009565163520
Jeez.
How hollowed out the tory party is.
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Kemi KNIFES Penny
Superb!
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I see Mordaunt admitted the government had not been delivering on the manifesto, needed to deliver on it, but also they needed a new modern agenda. Early days (still running behind) but Kemi is strong on platitudes, but delivers them well. Tom seems to have done the classic 'I'm connecting with the questioner by using their name'.0
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TT is getting on my TiTs1
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Tom Tit would certainly be a most refreshing change after the liar clown.1
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TBF the fact that none of them looks to be within a days walk of SKS in the sheer fucking dullness landscape must be a bit of an issue.CorrectHorseBattery said:Keir Starmer must be on his second beer watching this — prime time TV, the 5 top Tories uniting to condemn their own record in government before descending into blue on blue — with no candidates particularly impressing
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I do not think Penny has the ability to win an election.0