Jonathan said:

Pm Truss
FO Wallace
CoE Redwood
HSec Mourdant

Y Doethur - Ireland...

Beibheirli_C said:

wooliedyed said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Leon said:

My family WhatsApp, which is quite rightwing (but with greens and lefties too) has gone from accepting the departure of Boris to OMFG look at these idiots (the potential replacements) and Can we have Boris back

What astounds me is the appalling "quality" of the candidates. I know that Boris is accused of surrounding himself with low quality wannabes and has-beens but is this lot really all that is available?

There is no way that any of this shower will lead the Tories to victory at the next election.

You may be surprised

I mean when weve bern treated to Labour leaderships featuring magic grandpa versus Owen Smith, that time they put Diane Abbott up, the Miliband family comedy troup and not forgetting Rebecca Long Bailey they cant be 'too' bad

Labour's candidates were appalling too and for much the same reason. Corbyn surrounded himself with those who were no danger to him, just like Johnson. Anyone with talent was purged if they threatened The Leader.

Corbyn and Johnson were opposite cheeks of the same ar*e and the pair of them have polluted the politics of this country.

You're wrong about Corbyn's 'purges'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_Jeremy_Corbyn

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Curaçao i think is the closest (but incorrect) guess so far.

The Colombian coast? So we would have seen it in Narcos etc?

This is a hard one

Getting closer.....but still wrong... funnily enough there used to be a luxury hotel (which i stayed at) there which is rumoured to have been owned by a columbian cartel as a washing machine.

Panama!

Somebody declare for Jake Berry already - there are people who have not even annouced yet with more backers than his 0.

boulay said:

I don’t understand why anyone is bothering arguing with KevinB/MickTrain.

It’s the whole MO - try and cause dissent over things that we disagree with but not to the level that is something that’s such an issue in Russia.

He can poke about sexual freedoms, gay marriage, general politics and then eventually some news agency in Russia is reporting that a “major” (yes I know) political discussion forum in the UK where politicians are known to post is full of people who reject the western liberal view.

Give Kevin/Gary/Mick a few posts to embarrass themselves then shut them down as it’s not being done for no reason.

And Kevin is seriously in the closet.

And don't call him a homophobe. Because that's woke bigotry

Jim_Miller said:

Would it make sense for a Conservative candidate for PM to decide to skip this contest? (Assuming they are young enough.)

I am no seer, but it seems to me that the successful candidate is likely to have a short and miserable couple of years in Number 10, lose a general election, and then be replaced as leader.

But let me know if this strategy is implausible. Or if none of the potential candidates would think like that.

Dunno. The quality of the field is poor.
And you'll have been PM.
And summat good may turn up.
Sitting it out. Well. Summat nasty may turn up.

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Curaçao i think is the closest (but incorrect) guess so far.

The Colombian coast? So we would have seen it in Narcos etc?

This is a hard one

Getting closer.....but still wrong... funnily enough there used to be a luxury hotel (which i stayed at) there which is rumoured to have been owned by a columbian cartel as a washing machine.

Panama!

Bingo......to be precise Contadora part of the pearl islands which have been used for some seasons of the uk and us survivor show, bear Grylls programmes and i think most recently a Richard Hammond tv show.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Curaçao i think is the closest (but incorrect) guess so far.

The Colombian coast? So we would have seen it in Narcos etc?

This is a hard one

Getting closer.....but still wrong... funnily enough there used to be a luxury hotel (which i stayed at) there which is rumoured to have been owned by a columbian cartel as a washing machine.

Panama!

Bingo......to be precise Contadora part of the pearl islands which have been used for survivor, bear Grylls programms and i think most recently a Richard Hammond tv show.

Ooh

*hugs himself with pride*

Good one

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Rees Mogg lays into Sunak tonight calling him 'the high tax Chancellor of a low tax party'

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545495803309035520?s=20&t=Hkrayn5myVcMmAbISYCotw

Who he was happy to support mere days ago. And if he was not, he is claiming Boris was a terrible PM because he would be admitting Boris could not control his own Chancellor.

Which do you think it is - is he lying about thinking Sunak is terrible, or is he admitting Boris was terrible?

Rees Mogg criticised Sunak before. In some respects Sunak, a slick liberal ex banker, has more in common with Emmanuel Macron than Margaret Thatcher

Thatcher paid a lot for PR and presentation. Not sure what else "slick" is meant to mean here, but if it's not inherently male-gendered, she'd count.

MightyAlex said:

Beibheirli_C said:

wooliedyed said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Leon said:

My family WhatsApp, which is quite rightwing (but with greens and lefties too) has gone from accepting the departure of Boris to OMFG look at these idiots (the potential replacements) and Can we have Boris back

What astounds me is the appalling "quality" of the candidates. I know that Boris is accused of surrounding himself with low quality wannabes and has-beens but is this lot really all that is available?

There is no way that any of this shower will lead the Tories to victory at the next election.

You may be surprised

I mean when weve bern treated to Labour leaderships featuring magic grandpa versus Owen Smith, that time they put Diane Abbott up, the Miliband family comedy troup and not forgetting Rebecca Long Bailey they cant be 'too' bad

Labour's candidates were appalling too and for much the same reason. Corbyn surrounded himself with those who were no danger to him, just like Johnson. Anyone with talent was purged if they threatened The Leader.

Corbyn and Johnson were opposite cheeks of the same ar*e and the pair of them have polluted the politics of this country.

You're wrong about Corbyn's 'purges'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_Jeremy_Corbyn

Really? He did not surround himself with Corbynites? The bulk of his own party tried to get rid of him. In that, at least, they did better than the "Conservative" Party

TheScreamingEagles said:

I see the influence of gay mafia that control the world extends to PB.

Is that who controls the world when the Jews go on holiday?

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I see the influence of gay mafia that control the world extends to PB.

Is that who controls the world when the Jews go on holiday?

Yes, it is the Jews, then the gays, then bankers.

Northern_Al said:

Now that Kev's Kancelled, back to politics.....

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a bit poor that quite a lot of Tory MPs have already declared who they're backing.

If I were a Tory MP, I'd be saying nothing until I'd listened to what the candidates' leadership pitch is, what if anything they're planning to change from the current regime, policies for the future and so on.

TBF, they probably mostly have a reasonable idea on those points. They know these people, which most of us on here don't.

Also, if somebody you wanted to stand was hesitating, it's a way of giving them an incentive to go for it.

Beibheirli_C said:

MightyAlex said:

Beibheirli_C said:

wooliedyed said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Leon said:

My family WhatsApp, which is quite rightwing (but with greens and lefties too) has gone from accepting the departure of Boris to OMFG look at these idiots (the potential replacements) and Can we have Boris back

What astounds me is the appalling "quality" of the candidates. I know that Boris is accused of surrounding himself with low quality wannabes and has-beens but is this lot really all that is available?

There is no way that any of this shower will lead the Tories to victory at the next election.

You may be surprised

I mean when weve bern treated to Labour leaderships featuring magic grandpa versus Owen Smith, that time they put Diane Abbott up, the Miliband family comedy troup and not forgetting Rebecca Long Bailey they cant be 'too' bad

Labour's candidates were appalling too and for much the same reason. Corbyn surrounded himself with those who were no danger to him, just like Johnson. Anyone with talent was purged if they threatened The Leader.

Corbyn and Johnson were opposite cheeks of the same ar*e and the pair of them have polluted the politics of this country.

You're wrong about Corbyn's 'purges'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_Jeremy_Corbyn

Really? He did not surround himself with Corbynites? The bulk of his own party tried to get rid of him. In that, at least, they did better than the "Conservative" Party

He had quislings like Sir Keir Starmer eagerly csmpaigning and serving under him too

Beibheirli_C said:

MightyAlex said:

Beibheirli_C said:

wooliedyed said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Leon said:

My family WhatsApp, which is quite rightwing (but with greens and lefties too) has gone from accepting the departure of Boris to OMFG look at these idiots (the potential replacements) and Can we have Boris back

What astounds me is the appalling "quality" of the candidates. I know that Boris is accused of surrounding himself with low quality wannabes and has-beens but is this lot really all that is available?

There is no way that any of this shower will lead the Tories to victory at the next election.

You may be surprised

I mean when weve bern treated to Labour leaderships featuring magic grandpa versus Owen Smith, that time they put Diane Abbott up, the Miliband family comedy troup and not forgetting Rebecca Long Bailey they cant be 'too' bad

Labour's candidates were appalling too and for much the same reason. Corbyn surrounded himself with those who were no danger to him, just like Johnson. Anyone with talent was purged if they threatened The Leader.

Corbyn and Johnson were opposite cheeks of the same ar*e and the pair of them have polluted the politics of this country.

You're wrong about Corbyn's 'purges'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_Jeremy_Corbyn

Really? He did not surround himself with Corbynites? The bulk of his own party tried to get rid of him. In that, at least, they did better than the "Conservative" Party

Yes, but in the end. Look at his first shadow cabinet Thornberry, Eagle, Watson, Ashworth, De Piero. He did at least try.

Leon said:

Well done to @foxy and @carnyx for identifying birds like the booby in my rubbish photo

PB is replete with expertise

As long as you don't start asking us which bird this booby belongs to...

Sandpit said:

Sandpit said:

Northern_Al said:

KevinB said:

Nigelb said:

KevinB said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

LostPassword said:

Andy_Cooke said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Andy_Cooke said:

Of course, KevinB has rather missed an enormous logic hole in his fantasy.

He's been assuring us that the oldest voters are sufficiently against gay marriage to be supportive of overturning it. And whilst over-65s are the still net in favour, they are the least accepting age group.

However, there's an issue with relying on the over-65s group providing your core support 30+ years from now. I wonder if he can spot it.

(And the possible loophole that maybe people become more anti-gay-marriage as they age has not been seen at all; if anything, they've been going the other way. And each echelon has been retaining their pro-gay-marriage bias as they age into the next age group. Understandable, really, the adage that people become more conservative as they age tends to be by viewing whatever was the default when they were younger as being how things should be in future - and thirty years from now, most people will have had gay marriage as being normal for a long long time)

I think it's far more simple than that: it's social proof and convention.

It was working against gay people and now it works for them.

That can change, and change quickly, as the Supreme Court decision has started to roll things back and reopen debate in the USA and here.

I see what you mean, but I think that's a poor framing. Social conventions were working against gays, but it is not working 'for' them now. What has happened is that many, if not most, people simply do not care. The conventions are not working 'for' them; the conventions just don't care.

That's great IMO, as it is equality.

But you are correct that that could change, and perhaps rapidly.

One key issue about changing it: to roll back gay marriage, you have to annul and undo hundreds of thousands of marriages. Including reversing the legal ramifications such as next of kin aspects and inheritances, including inheritances that have already happened.

Massive issue.

I haven't been invited to a gay wedding, but loads of people must have gone to one, and it's hard to see how my heterosexual marriage has been damaged by them. I can understand why a large minority were uncomfortable about the change, but it must only be a very small minority that would support reversing it now.

We have and it was a lovely occasion

dunno i often spot in gay marriage photos the grooms parents with forced smiles looking distinctly uncomfortable...as in social pressure tells us we should be happy but is this what we really want for our son....check gay wedding photos you will see what i mean

You’re beginning to sound a tad… obsessive.
That’s very, very occasionally a sign that someone’s repressing something.

thats the standard trope used when people have lost the argument re homosexuality
and actually repression aint a bad thing civilizarion is built on it
sometimes i feel like killing someone but i wont do it
maybe i would fancy a gay orgy in my house but i wouldnt....repression you see it can be a good thing

I try to avoid doing personal on here, but you're provocative, so....

My daughter's gay. She's getting married shortly to a beautiful (in every sense of the word) woman. I, and the rest of the family, are immensely proud of her, and are really excited and looking forward to the wedding. As a parent, I've found it very rewarding to have a daughter with a different sexuality from my own, and have learnt a lot.

By contrast, your homophobia means you're missing out on the rich variety of human life. Though it may be that it's just gay men you've got a thing about?

We were lucky enough to at PB, to get upgraded to the Level IV Troll - the one that’s clearly actually studied in the UK at some point, has followed politics here for a while, and knows just enough about a few divisive subjects to draw out the sort of personal comments that he thinks can be used to set people against each other. He’s a big upgrade on the Level III Troll we had last month though, he was as useless as a Russian invasion of Kiev.

Oh well, another one bites the dust. We’ll have to see if we can get a Level V troll now, one that can go to 500 comments before mentioning gay marriage, abortion, or the war in Ukraine.

When is the last time that YOU managed that feat?

Beibheirli_C said:

MightyAlex said:

Beibheirli_C said:

wooliedyed said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Leon said:

My family WhatsApp, which is quite rightwing (but with greens and lefties too) has gone from accepting the departure of Boris to OMFG look at these idiots (the potential replacements) and Can we have Boris back

What astounds me is the appalling "quality" of the candidates. I know that Boris is accused of surrounding himself with low quality wannabes and has-beens but is this lot really all that is available?

There is no way that any of this shower will lead the Tories to victory at the next election.

You may be surprised

I mean when weve bern treated to Labour leaderships featuring magic grandpa versus Owen Smith, that time they put Diane Abbott up, the Miliband family comedy troup and not forgetting Rebecca Long Bailey they cant be 'too' bad

Labour's candidates were appalling too and for much the same reason. Corbyn surrounded himself with those who were no danger to him, just like Johnson. Anyone with talent was purged if they threatened The Leader.

Corbyn and Johnson were opposite cheeks of the same ar*e and the pair of them have polluted the politics of this country.

You're wrong about Corbyn's 'purges'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_Jeremy_Corbyn

Really? He did not surround himself with Corbynites? The bulk of his own party tried to get rid of him. In that, at least, they did better than the "Conservative" Party

To an extent, he had to do so. A lot of the parliamentary party preferred to stay on the backbenches rather than join his shadow cabinet.

ydoethur said:

And the ban hammer is wielded...

They never learn, do they?

He has bummed off

I'd have loved it if in Rishi's launch video there was an obvious tell, like "And that's why, in this year of [different audio] 2022 [original audio] I am standing to be leader"

I think Tom Tugendhat gets my vote.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think Tom Tugendhat gets my vote.

Except he doesn't.
He has to be in the final two.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think Tom Tugendhat gets my vote.

Tugendhat and Wallace the final 2 is my long shot projection, Sunak to be knocked out in the final round of MPs votes a la Portillo 2001.

Boris will tell most of his supporters to back Wallace but in the final round will lend a few of them to Tugendhat to knock out Sunak and ensure a solid Wallace win in the membership vote

Gardenwalker said:

Steve Baker has dropped out and is supporting Suella Braverman. Looks like the ERG are going to vote en bloc.

Jesus Steve, what you playing at?!

CatMan said:

kle4 said:

KevinB said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

LostPassword said:

Andy_Cooke said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Andy_Cooke said:

Of course, KevinB has rather missed an enormous logic hole in his fantasy.

He's been assuring us that the oldest voters are sufficiently against gay marriage to be supportive of overturning it. And whilst over-65s are the still net in favour, they are the least accepting age group.

However, there's an issue with relying on the over-65s group providing your core support 30+ years from now. I wonder if he can spot it.

(And the possible loophole that maybe people become more anti-gay-marriage as they age has not been seen at all; if anything, they've been going the other way. And each echelon has been retaining their pro-gay-marriage bias as they age into the next age group. Understandable, really, the adage that people become more conservative as they age tends to be by viewing whatever was the default when they were younger as being how things should be in future - and thirty years from now, most people will have had gay marriage as being normal for a long long time)

I think it's far more simple than that: it's social proof and convention.

It was working against gay people and now it works for them.

That can change, and change quickly, as the Supreme Court decision has started to roll things back and reopen debate in the USA and here.

I see what you mean, but I think that's a poor framing. Social conventions were working against gays, but it is not working 'for' them now. What has happened is that many, if not most, people simply do not care. The conventions are not working 'for' them; the conventions just don't care.

That's great IMO, as it is equality.

But you are correct that that could change, and perhaps rapidly.

One key issue about changing it: to roll back gay marriage, you have to annul and undo hundreds of thousands of marriages. Including reversing the legal ramifications such as next of kin aspects and inheritances, including inheritances that have already happened.

Massive issue.

I haven't been invited to a gay wedding, but loads of people must have gone to one, and it's hard to see how my heterosexual marriage has been damaged by them. I can understand why a large minority were uncomfortable about the change, but it must only be a very small minority that would support reversing it now.

We have and it was a lovely occasion

dunno i often spot in gay marriage photos the grooms parents with forced smiles looking distinctly uncomfortable...as in social pressure tells us we should be happy but is this what we really want for our son....check gay wedding photos you will see what i mean

Congratulations on your psychic abilities to tell what people are thinking.

Besides, some people have awkward looking smiles anyway

The guy in that looks like Richard Tyndall...

My range of fake smiles is far better

Northern_Al said:

Now that Kev's Kancelled, back to politics.....

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a bit poor that quite a lot of Tory MPs have already declared who they're backing.

If I were a Tory MP, I'd be saying nothing until I'd listened to what the candidates' leadership pitch is, what if anything they're planning to change from the current regime, policies for the future and so on.

If you leave it too late to declare your support you are leaving it to other MPs to decide for you by building momentum for their preferred candidate. So you have to work out early which candidate you favour rather than wait for them to convince you.

Some excellent points by Andrew Marr

https://youtu.be/QfpPTM_i7yw

"Boris Johnson did not resign as Prime Minister", Andrew Marr declares. "'No apologies. Nothing on lying. Nothing on sex pests.’"

I see Jolyon Maugham has made my point.

I am fairly certain during a general election if the Tory leader is a person of colour somebody fairly high up in Labour/The SNP will say something tasteless and tactless and that'll be a vote winner for the Tories.

One of my highlights in my life was getting told by middle class white people that I really wasn't an ethnic minority because I was privately educated, went to an elite university, had a professional job, so had never experienced racism.

Carnyx said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

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dixiedean said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think Tom Tugendhat gets my vote.

Except he doesn't.
He has to be in the final two.

I think he makes it. Tories love a soldier.

Plus he's practically French, what's not to love?

Eh, what about Mark Francois? He's qualified too.

Essex lad, but his intelligence is only matched by his height.

Gardenwalker said:

Steve Baker has dropped out and is supporting Suella Braverman. Looks like the ERG are going to vote en bloc.

This has the election of Corbyn all over it.
One can dream.

Gardenwalker said:

Steve Baker has dropped out and is supporting Suella Braverman. Looks like the ERG are going to vote en bloc.

Interesting, then will switch to Wallace once Braverman is knocked out

TheScreamingEagles said:

I see Jolyon Maugham has made my point.

I am fairly certain during a general election if the Tory leader is a person of colour somebody fairly high up in Labour/The SNP will say something tasteless and tactless and that'll be a vote winner for the Tories.

One of my highlights in my life was getting told by middle class white people that I really wasn't an ethnic minority because I was privately educated, went to an elite university, had a professional job, so had never experienced racism.

It would seem an inevitability.

But then again, have you let Jeremy Corbyn unlock your talent yet?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en-GB

TheScreamingEagles said:

I see Jolyon Maugham has made my point.

I am fairly certain during a general election if the Tory leader is a person of colour somebody fairly high up in Labour/The SNP will say something tasteless and tactless and that'll be a vote winner for the Tories.

One of my highlights in my life was getting told by middle class white people that I really wasn't an ethnic minority because I was privately educated, went to an elite university, had a professional job, so had never experienced racism.

Indeed - an example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman#:~:text=No true Scotsman, or appeal,by excluding the counterexample improperly.

wooliedyed said:

Gardenwalker said:

Steve Baker has dropped out and is supporting Suella Braverman. Looks like the ERG are going to vote en bloc.

Jesus Steve, what you playing at?!

Steve realised the brilliance of Cambridge educated lawyers, he has decided to back the best candidate.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I see Jolyon Maugham has made my point.

I am fairly certain during a general election if the Tory leader is a person of colour somebody fairly high up in Labour/The SNP will say something tasteless and tactless and that'll be a vote winner for the Tories.

One of my highlights in my life was getting told by middle class white people that I really wasn't an ethnic minority because I was privately educated, went to an elite university, had a professional job, so had never experienced racism.

It would seem an inevitability.

But then again, have you let Jeremy Corbyn unlock your talent yet?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en-GB

No, I wonder just how successful in life I would have been if Corbyn had helped me.

Gardenwalker said:

Steve Baker has dropped out and is supporting Suella Braverman. Looks like the ERG are going to vote en bloc.

Geez. No-one came up with that when they were considering disaster scenarios.

John Baron considering a leadership bid he tells ITV news at 10, taking soundings over the weekend

For the monoglots here.
Tom Tugend hat.
Put that into Google translate.

HYUFD said:

John Baron considering a leadership bid he tells ITV news at 10, taking soundings over the weekend

How many of his colleagues have even heard of him?

Peston says 1922 cttee will require 20 MP nominations to be a leadership candidate

HYUFD said:

John Baron considering a leadership bid he tells ITV news at 10, taking soundings over the weekend

Hes the Rifkindite anti war candidate

Leon said:

Foxy said:

Leon said:

Here’s a pic that can definitely be guessed, if you have the right zoological knowledge and you check the species and the terrain. Taken in 2013 or so, hence the poor quality (apols)

Are those blue footed Booby's, hence the Galapagos?

You’re all wrong, but quite close….

Islas Ballestas?

Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable

dixiedean said:

Weather geeks.
What's the gen on the heatwave?
How's it looking?

Standard U.K. high summer heat, so likely low thirties in the south for a few days.
Nothing out of the ordinary, despite the hyperbole.

Dear RCS, TSE and OGH, I get that we generally believe in free speech here, like/love some wilder theories, life experiences but could we just stop these trolls like MickGuyKev etc early on where possible. They aren’t hard to spot and I get that it’s fun being the cat with the mouse toting with their stupidity but every post gives them some sort of credence or disruption.

Whilst we are all on here so amazingly intelligent and can stop these repressed homosexual sock puppets this shot is going on on sites that (daily mail online I’m looking at you) won’t have posters that can and will counter their bullshit.

Every time they disrupt an argument into culture wars, GP shortages (your fault Foxy) etc they can use this.

Please avoid the temptation - and it’s sodding hard not to - to argue with them - because we can, better - because they don’t change their minds and become enlightened. They are here to disrupt. Please don’t allow them to.

dixiedean said:

Weather geeks.
What's the gen on the heatwave?
How's it looking?

We're going to have some hot nights where the temperature stays above 20C, which is a bit problematic health wise, but the latest forecasts don't quite have the full force of the heat plume reaching Southern England - so I don't currently foresee a serious challenge to the current temperature records.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I see Jolyon Maugham has made my point.

I am fairly certain during a general election if the Tory leader is a person of colour somebody fairly high up in Labour/The SNP will say something tasteless and tactless and that'll be a vote winner for the Tories.

One of my highlights in my life was getting told by middle class white people that I really wasn't an ethnic minority because I was privately educated, went to an elite university, had a professional job, so had never experienced racism.

I’m old enough to to remember Unionists touching themselves inappropriately at SLab being the first UK ‘party’ to elect an ethnic minority person as leader.

Surely Truss wins the membership if it is Sunak v Truss.