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Could it be that the next PM is NOT an Oxford Grad? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,002
edited July 2022 in General
imageCould it be that the next PM is NOT an Oxford Grad? – politicalbetting.com

I’ve noted before here how over the last three-quarters of a century Oxford graduates have totally dominated British politics when it comes to leading their parties to victory in general elections. The above table sets out the alma mater of the leaders the winning parties since 1935 and the trend is extraordinary.

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  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    edited July 2022
    Bellingham [Washington] Herald - Today is the deadline to file initiatives for the fall ballot. Here are some of the measures

    https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/state/washington/article263271178.html?ac_cid=DM668866&ac_bid=405087845

    Friday marks the cutoff date for the more than 100 initiatives in Washington state that have been gathering signatures to appear on the Nov. 8 ballot. Initiatives need at least 324,516 signatures from voters by 5 p.m. Friday, and the Secretary of State has recommended sponsors gather at least 405,000 signatures in case some signatures are invalid.

    Although anti-tax businessman Tim Eyman withdrew three of his initiatives in March, he is still sponsoring 40 of the other initiatives on the Secretary of State’s list, mostly with variations of self-explanatory subjects such as “We don’t want any kind of income tax,” “term limits on taxes” and “no carbon tax.”

    Eyman currently owes the state of Washington more than $5 million for campaign finance violations.

    State Rep. Jim Walsh, R-Aberdeen, well-known for his appearances at anti-vaccine rallies throughout the pandemic, is sponsoring 40 initiatives on the list. While some of those are targeted at income tax as well, Walsh’s initiatives have a bigger range of topics than Eyman’s. For example, Initiative 1843 is an anti-Critical Race Theory proposal that would prohibit teachers in Washington from talking about “institutional, systemic, or structural racism; implicit bias; race or sex superiority; and stereotyping” to their students. . . .

    SSI - whole host of other initiatives on plethora of topics with wide variety of sponsors. Most will NOT get the required signatures, will be interesting to see how many actually do make it. Maybe none.

    HERE IS ONE INITIATIVE that should get plenty of support from PBers

    Initiative Measure No. 1924 – Would require retailers to show the total amount, including taxes, that will be paid at the register on price tags for items. This is already standard practice in the EU.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Peter Boooooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee is deputy leader of the house. Boris is trolling now surely?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,969
    edited July 2022
    Cookie said:

    So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?

    Tom Tugendhat is a Gonville and Caius lad, top banana.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    Betway seem to be complete shysters.

    No way of viewing old bets older than about a year on their website (I placed my Rishi bet in Nov 2019) and absolutely no way to contact them about it. Telephone calls (number not on website) rejected, live chat is just an idiotic AI bot that doesn't put you through to anyone and their email support doesn't respond.

    Avoid.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,336
    It would be a refreshing change if Eton College wasn't the alma mater of the winning candidate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Any Etonians to pick from?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837
    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,097
    edited July 2022
    Mike could well be right with this.

    Meanwhile, given the opinion polls the last day or so I think betting on an outright Labour Gov't is worth a punt. I'm not convinced the tories will regain the red wall with Boris gone.

    None of the likely candidates fill me with any fear except Penny Mordaunt and I don't think the tory party will choose her. The rest of them are mostly a rum bunch of bald, fat, or tainted men. They don't look like winners to me nor, more importantly, the electorate.

    I shall sit back from afar and watch the spectacle unfold with little comment for a while. It's for the tory party to sort out.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.

    Is her campaign disintegrating before it's started?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited July 2022
    Totally normal and not a dictatorship behaviour

    A Moscow councillor has been jailed for seven years for speaking out against Russia's war in Ukraine - in what is said to be the first full jail term under new laws targeting dissent.

    Alexei Gorinov, 60, was arrested in April after he was filmed criticising the invasion in a city council meeting.

    Under the post-invasion law, anyone who spreads "fake news" about the military faces up to 15 years in jail.

    Russians are banned from using the word war to describe the invasion.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62092196

    Maybe if people do not humiliate Russia and Ukraine concedes territory he can be released.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837
    kle4 said:

    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.

    He quite clearly wasn't Margaret Thatcher.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,969
    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    They aren’t homophobes, just in the closet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    kle4 said:

    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.

    Starting with a 100 seat majority was probably mildly helpful.

    Am I right in thinking that the 1992 election was the only election to date where neither the PM nor the LotO was at Oxbridge? Major never did a degree and Kinnock was at Cardiff.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    kle4 said:

    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.

    He was the Stop That Treacherous Snake In The Grass Hesseltine At All Costs candidate and Mrs T thought he was such a wet blanket she'd be able to control him from behind the scenes...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    They aren’t homophobes, just in the closet.
    They were just sewing in their closet, and somebody said 'Ophelia.'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Who's saying anyone's a bigot?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    Perhaps with a 1/7 shot turned over at Newmarket this afternoon one shouldn't be making many assumptions about any contest.

    The Conservative Party Leadership Handicap over eight weeks for three year olds of all ages. They go 4/1 the field and the going is soft on top.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Being against homophobia is woke?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    Well done all the Conservative MPs coming out early for their candidate. Let a whole bunch of no-hopers realise they have no chance - and let's truncate this whole damned process before the 22 even get involved next week.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    stodge said:

    Perhaps with a 1/7 shot turned over at Newmarket this afternoon one shouldn't be making many assumptions about any contest.

    The Conservative Party Leadership Handicap over eight weeks for three year olds of all ages. They go 4/1 the field and the going is soft on top.

    Three year olds? That's surprising. They behave more like fucking toddlers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited July 2022
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.

    Starting with a 100 seat majority was probably mildly helpful.

    Sure, but how did he sneak through to be a senior Cabinet Minister in the first place without a degree? Not their kind of people, usually.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    GIN1138 said:

    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.

    Is her campaign disintegrating before it's started?
    It may be that Rishi wins by default just because he's well-known, relatively unobjectionable to both MPs and members and first out of the gates, and it's too hard to think about anyone else.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Being against homophobia is woke?
    No, dipshit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959

    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.

    But who is his wig supporting?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Well done all the Conservative MPs coming out early for their candidate. Let a whole bunch of no-hopers realise they have no chance - and let's truncate this whole damned process before the 22 even get involved next week.

    I like to think some are feeling wounded as a good friend of theirs shows they back someone else, while others are utterly baffled they've picked up the support of some Red Wall loon they've avoided at all costs.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    They aren’t homophobes, just in the closet.
    What's wrong with homophones? Their, there, they're great
    They're not homophones where I live. "They're" is definitely different from the others.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Wiggin went to Bangor, apparently. And Berry to Sheffield.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.

    Starting with a 100 seat majority was probably mildly helpful.

    Sure, but how did he sneak through to be a senior Cabinet Minister in the first place?
    All the others had resigned because Thatcher was impossible to work with. Is there anyone like that this time?

    No. No. Please. NOT ZAHAWI.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Being against homophobia is woke?
    No, dipshit.
    Is "dipshit" meant to be a homophobic slur?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Being against homophobia is woke?
    No, dipshit.
    Is "dipshit" meant to be a homophobic slur?
    Probably in the final anal-ysis.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    Cookie said:

    So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?

    Guessing that Panhandle State U is under-represented?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2022
    Heathener said:

    Mike could well be right with this.

    Meanwhile, given the opinion polls the last day or so I think betting on an outright Labour Gov't is worth a punt. I'm not convinced the tories will regain the red wall with Boris gone.

    None of the likely candidates fill me with any fear except Penny Mordaunt and I don't think the tory party will choose her. The rest of them are mostly a rum bunch of bald, fat, or tainted men. They don't look like winners to me nor, more importantly, the electorate.

    I shall sit back from afar and watch the spectacle unfold with little comment for a while. It's for the tory party to sort out.

    I do think a small Labour majority if very likely at the next election but after making that "jump" from Lab > UKIP > Con over the past ten years or so, the Red Wall should be renamed the Violet Wall as it's now in play for both parties IMO.

    It will depend on which party can capitalize in future election but the days of Labour domination and complacency in these seats are over.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    I have just read Nadine Dorries is thinking of standing

    No - no - no to infinity and beyond
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,343
    Trying to list the possibles and probables in order of elimination would be an interesting exercise.

    What about:

    Berry
    Zahawi
    Braverman
    Javid
    Badenach
    Truss
    Hunt
    Tugendhat
    Baker
    Sunak
    Mordaunt
    Wallace -coconut or cigar

    I haven't looked it up. Could they have a 6 a side Oxbridge v The Rest at the Eton wall game while they are waiting?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    algarkirk said:

    Trying to list the possibles and probables in order of elimination would be an interesting exercise.

    What about:

    Berry
    Zahawi
    Braverman
    Javid
    Badenach
    Truss
    Hunt
    Tugendhat
    Baker
    Sunak
    Mordaunt
    Wallace -coconut or cigar

    I haven't looked it up. Could they have a 6 a side Oxbridge v The Rest at the Eton wall game while they are waiting?

    Like those wonderful Blackadder credits:

    'Cast in order of disappearance.'
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,336

    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.

    But who is his wig supporting?
    he's a bit of a rug rat.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    GIN1138 said:

    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.

    Is her campaign disintegrating before it's started?
    It may be that Rishi wins by default just because he's well-known, relatively unobjectionable to both MPs and members and first out of the gates, and it's too hard to think about anyone else.
    I just think there's a Portillo/Milliband vibe about him and he'll fizzle out...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Decided to lay Sunak some more at 4.4 given the 251 bet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Er, no. Someone was celebrating the idea of propaganda (their word) use for a 'populist' government to repeal gay marriage, because it was accepted a majority do not and would not back it (and thus is not populist at all).

    Woke has nothing to do with it. I'm opposed to a lot of silly stuff that bears the woke label, but this had nothing to do with it. Unless knowing gay people is a 'metropolitan bubble' thing is thought to be a sensible point.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    algarkirk said:

    Trying to list the possibles and probables in order of elimination would be an interesting exercise.

    What about:

    Berry
    Zahawi
    Braverman
    Javid
    Badenach
    Truss
    Hunt
    Tugendhat
    Baker
    Sunak
    Mordaunt
    Wallace -coconut or cigar

    I haven't looked it up. Could they have a 6 a side Oxbridge v The Rest at the Eton wall game while they are waiting?

    Many will go out at the same time in the first round if they have similar rules ot last time.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    They aren’t homophobes, just in the closet.
    "I'm the only anti-gay in the village."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
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    edited July 2022
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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2022
    algarkirk said:

    Trying to list the possibles and probables in order of elimination would be an interesting exercise.

    What about:

    Berry
    Zahawi
    Braverman
    Javid
    Badenach
    Truss
    Hunt
    Tugendhat
    Baker
    Sunak
    Mordaunt
    Wallace -coconut or cigar

    I haven't looked it up. Could they have a 6 a side Oxbridge v The Rest at the Eton wall game while they are waiting?


    Berry (Timewaster)
    Zahawi (OK)
    Braverman (Timewaster)
    Javid (OK)
    Badenach (Who? Timewaster)
    Truss (It might all over by the time she gets home?)
    Hunt (OK)
    Tugendhat (Timewaster)
    Baker (Timewaster)
    Sunak (OK)
    Mordaun(OK)
    Wallace -coconut or cigar (OK - But I don't think he'll run)
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Er, no. Someone was celebrating the idea of propaganda (their word) use for a 'populist' government to repeal gay marriage, because it was accepted a majority do not and would not back it (and thus is not populist at all).

    Woke has nothing to do with it. I'm opposed to a lot of silly stuff that bears the woke label, but this had nothing to do with it. Unless knowing gay people is a 'metropolitan bubble' thing is thought to be a sensible point.
    The same person was also railing against woke. So, actually there's a definitely thematic connection here between homophobia and anti-woke being made here.

    I'm 100% ok with people referring to being anti homophobia as "woke", by the way.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,343
    edit
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    Is there a list of runners and backers ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Farooq, aye. One person. Who may or may not be deliberately trying to stir up arguments.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    kle4 said:

    Any Etonians to pick from?

    Look for people who were thick little boys and whom Eton inculcated with plummy accents and apparent good manners but who, when adult, are still fairly dense and stuck in the past.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    COVID - Deaths

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  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,534
    Rishi Sunak is the meh candidate.

    But meh is better than many of the nutjobs on the list .

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Looking at that table, Oxford should be paying reparations. Second only to Eton.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981

    I have just read Nadine Dorries is thinking of standing

    No - no - no to infinity and beyond

    :D:D:D:D:D

    I hope she wins. That would be hilarious!!!
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Mr. Farooq, aye. One person. Who may or may not be deliberately trying to stir up arguments.

    Yes, I agree.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    ydoethur said:

    algarkirk said:

    Trying to list the possibles and probables in order of elimination would be an interesting exercise.

    What about:

    Berry
    Zahawi
    Braverman
    Javid
    Badenach
    Truss
    Hunt
    Tugendhat
    Baker
    Sunak
    Mordaunt
    Wallace -coconut or cigar

    I haven't looked it up. Could they have a 6 a side Oxbridge v The Rest at the Eton wall game while they are waiting?

    Like those wonderful Blackadder credits:

    'Cast in order of disappearance.'
    Is that right? I've watched the various series several times (have the DVDs), and never noticed that...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    Mr Dancer. Yes, but probably not.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    edited July 2022
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    - Deaths UP

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    Hopefully we approaching peak hospitalisation for this wave....

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mrs C, this must be some exciting new definition of 'hilarious' with which I am unfamiliar.

    Mr. Jessop, I think in the first series (could be wrong) it was done in order of shoe size and that sort of thing.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    edited July 2022
    Nadine would actually be better than Suella.

    I mean it’s like herpes vs cancer, but as with every contender “it’s all relative”.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Fabricant has “come out” for Mordaunt.

    Is her campaign disintegrating before it's started?
    It may be that Rishi wins by default just because he's well-known, relatively unobjectionable to both MPs and members and first out of the gates, and it's too hard to think about anyone else.
    I just think there's a Portillo/Milliband vibe about him and he'll fizzle out...
    He'd better as he's my worst result and I'm not killing my other positions by piling in now at these odds.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771
    KevinB said:

    Farooq said:

    KevinB said:

    like i say the rcs notion that everyone has gay friends is laughable..maybe in metropolitan london but older voters in the red wall no....my mum and dad have never had any gay friends and nor have any of their friends....this is the problem with people who live in a metropolitan bubble

    There's a difference between having gay friends and having friends you know to be gay.
    Bigots are often the last ones to find out because their hatred keeps people from telling them.
    Trust me none of my parents friends are gay...none of my friends at school were gay either...again that old metropolitan bubble
    You are Ahmadinejad, and I claim my £5.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    Peter
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    Fucking
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912

    Cookie said:

    So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?

    Tom Tugendhat is a Gonville and Caius lad, top banana.
    I look forward to people mispronouncing Caius on TV and thus revealing themselves to be frightful oiks.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    Bone
  • Why did you remove Gordon Brown? He didn't go to Oxford.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912

    Bone

    Sorry for ruining that for you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019

    kle4 said:

    Any Etonians to pick from?

    Look for people who were thick little boys and whom Eton inculcated with plummy accents and apparent good manners but who, when adult, are still fairly dense and stuck in the past.
    And yet, weirdly, still somehow smarter than you.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    Mrs C, this must be some exciting new definition of 'hilarious' with which I am unfamiliar.

    Mr. Jessop, I think in the first series (could be wrong) it was done in order of shoe size and that sort of thing.

    I'd honestly never noticed. I'll have to dust off the DVDs.

    (I tried the little 'un on some Blackadder clips last year, but he's too young to 'get' it. He does like some Monty Python though - Upper Class Twit of the Year and the Fish-Slapping Dance. The Lumberjack sketch was *not* understood...)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How did Major manage to break the trend of degree holding PMs? I've never looked into it and don't really recall much from the essay bio I read on him, but it feels like a fairly big deal given the uniformity.

    Starting with a 100 seat majority was probably mildly helpful.

    Sure, but how did he sneak through to be a senior Cabinet Minister in the first place without a degree? Not their kind of people, usually.
    Last POTUS without college or university degree was Harry Truman. Although he did earn an advanced certification in cussing from years spent plowing behind Missouri mules.

    HST was awarded 22 honorary degrees, from institutions of higher learning ranging from University of Oxford (Oxford ENG) to Olympic Junior College (Bremerton WA).

    University of Pennsylvania NOT on the list. Though they allegedly DID "confer" a degree, via Wharton School, to one of Harry's successors?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912

    kle4 said:

    Any Etonians to pick from?

    Look for people who were thick little boys and whom Eton inculcated with plummy accents and apparent good manners but who, when adult, are still fairly dense and stuck in the past.
    And yet, weirdly, still somehow smarter than you.
    Or at least seem that way to minor public school types.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,343
    Here is the list (only first degrees count)

    Berry - Sheffield
    Zahawi - UCL
    Braverman - Cambridge
    Javid - Exeter
    Badenoch - Sussex
    Truss - Oxford
    Hunt - Oxford
    Tugendhat - Bristol
    Baker - Southampton
    Sunak - Oxford
    Mordaunt - Reading
    Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013

    Bone

    Sorry for ruining that for you.
    Nothing can be ruined now. We get to watch that gormless old twat stand up in the Commons and tell people what non business is being programmed by this non government.

    Satire doesn't cove it.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912

    Why did you remove Gordon Brown? He didn't go to Oxford.

    These are election winning PMs. So no Callaghan, no Brown.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Er, no. Someone was celebrating the idea of propaganda (their word) use for a 'populist' government to repeal gay marriage, because it was accepted a majority do not and would not back it (and thus is not populist at all).

    Woke has nothing to do with it. I'm opposed to a lot of silly stuff that bears the woke label, but this had nothing to do with it. Unless knowing gay people is a 'metropolitan bubble' thing is thought to be a sensible point.
    My point was that when you say 'Woke is a problem ' the usual response of the Woke is to say 'what's Woke?' and then when you give examples of its dogmatic, obsessive and divisive nature to say 'so you think racism/ sexism/ homophobia is ok then?'.

    This is a classic sign of being Woke. It's totally impervious to criticism or reason.

  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    kle4 said:

    Any Etonians to pick from?

    Look for people who were thick little boys and whom Eton inculcated with plummy accents and apparent good manners but who, when adult, are still fairly dense and stuck in the past.
    And yet, weirdly, still somehow smarter than you.
    Are you in a fighty mood today?
    Good to see
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,056

    Nadine would actually be better than Suella.

    I mean it’s like herpes vs cancer, but as with every contender “it’s all relative”.

    Suella Braverman is a fine graduate of Fen Poly, much like myself. Mind you, so are Richard Burgon and Diane Abbot, so you may have a point.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771

    Why did you remove Gordon Brown? He didn't go to Oxford.

    It's not PMs, it's election winners. So Callaghan isn't there either.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019

    Betway seem to be complete shysters.

    No way of viewing old bets older than about a year on their website (I placed my Rishi bet in Nov 2019) and absolutely no way to contact them about it. Telephone calls (number not on website) rejected, live chat is just an idiotic AI bot that doesn't put you through to anyone and their email support doesn't respond.

    Avoid.

    Do not use Betway under any circumstances. Totally uncontactable.

    My next step will be the gambling ombudsman.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    I have just read Nadine Dorries is thinking of standing

    No - no - no to infinity and beyond

    Nadine thinking is the big news there....
    In the Kingdom of Idiots, perhaps the Biggest Idiot is Queen?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,969

    COVID Summary

    - Hospital admissions, MV beds, in hospital UP
    - Hospital admissions R is slightly DOWN.
    - Deaths UP

    The concern will be - image

    Hopefully we approaching peak hospitalisation for this wave....

    image

    Ok, own up, who posted something stupid that required you to post the monoliths.

  • https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1545460849036431367

    Ben Wallace’s old tweets may come back to haunt him if he decides to run for Tory leader…
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Wouldn't it be funny if the Tories went to all the trouble of getting rid of Boris only to end up with Nadine? :D
  • rcs1000 said:

    Why did you remove Gordon Brown? He didn't go to Oxford.

    It's not PMs, it's election winners. So Callaghan isn't there either.
    Oh, doh. I am an idiot sorry
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,846
    algarkirk said:

    Here is the list (only first degrees count)

    Berry - Sheffield
    Zahawi - UCL
    Braverman - Cambridge
    Javid - Exeter
    Badenoch - Sussex
    Truss - Oxford
    Hunt - Oxford
    Tugendhat - Bristol
    Baker - Southampton
    Sunak - Oxford
    Mordaunt - Reading
    Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

    You beat me to it.

    Same list with second degrees included.

    Wallace - Sandhurst
    Mordaunt - Reading
    Sunak - Oxford/Stanford
    Baker - Southampton/Oxford
    Tugendhat - Bristol/Cambridge
    Hunt - Oxford
    Truss - Oxford
    Badenach - Sussex/Birkbeck
    Javid - Exeter
    Braverman - Cambridge/Sorbonne
    Zahawi - UCL
    Berry - Sheffield
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
    Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
    Or summat.
    Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

    Who's a homophobe?

    Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.
    Er, no. Someone was celebrating the idea of propaganda (their word) use for a 'populist' government to repeal gay marriage, because it was accepted a majority do not and would not back it (and thus is not populist at all).

    Woke has nothing to do with it. I'm opposed to a lot of silly stuff that bears the woke label, but this had nothing to do with it. Unless knowing gay people is a 'metropolitan bubble' thing is thought to be a sensible point.
    My point was that when you say 'Woke is a problem ' the usual response of the Woke is to say 'what's Woke?' and then when you give examples of its dogmatic, obsessive and divisive nature to say 'so you think racism/ sexism/ homophobia is ok then?'.

    This is a classic sign of being Woke. It's totally impervious to criticism or reason.

    You probably should have read the previous conversation, then you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself. Your point might have landed well in another conversation, but you haven't understood what was going on. Go have a little look and you'll see the same person complaining about woke and dreaming of homophobia's Big Comeback Tour 2052.
    Then, when you've satisfied yourself that you misread the situation, fuck off into the sea.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,969

    Cookie said:

    So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?

    Tom Tugendhat is a Gonville and Caius lad, top banana.
    I look forward to people mispronouncing Caius on TV and thus revealing themselves to be frightful oiks.
    As a callow a level student on my first trip to the university I nearly called it Kai-us until someone called it keys.
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    edited July 2022
    Undercover In Guyana: Exposing Chinese Business in South America

    China’s rapidly growing presence in South America has reached Guyana. Vice News goes undercover to expose allegations of corruption in business deals between the two countries.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOFSJqBYTY
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    Cookie said:

    So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?

    Tom Tugendhat is a Gonville and Caius lad, top banana.
    I look forward to people mispronouncing Caius on TV and thus revealing themselves to be frightful oiks.
    "Cooooeeeee!" or maybe "Qweesh" or just "Cuss"?

    And is Gonville perhaps "Gnlgh"?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,926
    algarkirk said:

    Here is the list (only first degrees count)

    Berry - Sheffield
    Zahawi - UCL
    Braverman - Cambridge
    Javid - Exeter
    Badenoch - Sussex
    Truss - Oxford
    Hunt - Oxford
    Tugendhat - Bristol
    Baker - Southampton
    Sunak - Oxford
    Mordaunt - Reading
    Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

    For all the Wikipedia potential candidates...

    Oxford
    Steve Baker: Southampton then Oxford
    Jeremy Hunt: Oxford
    Rishi Sunak: Oxford
    Liz Truss: Oxford

    Not Oxford
    Kemi Badenoch: Sussex
    Steve Barclay: Sandhurst then Cambridge
    John Baron: Cambridge then Sandhurst
    Jake Berry: Sheffield
    Suella Braverman: Cambridge
    Robert Buckland: Durham
    Rehman Chishti: Aberystwyth
    David Davis: Warwick then LBS then Harvard
    Nadine Dorries: n/a
    Sajid Javid: Exeter
    Kwasi Kwarteng: Cambridge then Harvard then Cambridge again
    Esther McVey: QML then City then Liverpool John Moores
    Penny Mordaunt: Reading
    Priti Patel: Keele then Essex
    Grant Shapps: Manchester Polytechnic (now Manchester Metropolitan University)
    Tom Tugendhat: Bristol then Cambridge
    Ben Wallace: Sandhurst
    Bill Wiggin: Bangor
    Nadhim Zahawi: UCL
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