Could it be that the next PM is NOT an Oxford Grad? – politicalbetting.com

If the Tories don't pick an Oxford graduate to lead them they tend to pick someone who never went to university at all eg Major or IDS or Churchill. So on that basis Wallace as a non graduate could well make leader. You have to go back to Neville Chamberlain, who went to what became Birmingham University, to find the last Tory leader who went to a University other than Oxford and Baldwin before that who went to Cambridge.

However Wallace is not really an educatonal outsider like say the state educated Major, having been educated at the expensive public school Millfield followed by Sandhurst, as Churchill went to Harrow then Sandhurst.

Starmer would be the third Labour leader post war who did not go to Oxford as an undergraduate after Brown who went to Edinburgh and Kinnock who went to Cardiff, having been to Leeds, though Starmer did go to Oxford as a postgraduate unlike them as the table points out. Corbyn and Callaghan did not go to University. Sunak as well as going to Oxford would be the first Winchester educated PM since Henry Addington.

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

So which universities did the ever-increasing list of Conservative candidates attend then?

Tom Tugendhat is a Gonville and Caius lad, top banana.

I look forward to people mispronouncing Caius on TV and thus revealing themselves to be frightful oiks.

"Cooooeeeee!" or maybe "Qweesh" or just "Cuss"?

And is Gonville perhaps "Gnlgh"?

Gonville is pronounced as Gonads.

Was thinking along lines of Louisville, Kentucky.

Which is pronounced "Lewisville" by totally clueless, "Loueeville" by outsiders and "Lulvul" by locals.

The more you can say it as a single semi-syllable the more local you is.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

algarkirk said:

Here is the list (only first degrees count)

Berry - Sheffield
Zahawi - UCL
Braverman - Cambridge
Javid - Exeter
Badenoch - Sussex
Truss - Oxford
Hunt - Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol
Baker - Southampton
Sunak - Oxford
Mordaunt - Reading
Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

For all the Wikipedia potential candidates...

Oxford
Steve Baker: Southampton then Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: Oxford
Rishi Sunak: Oxford
Liz Truss: Oxford

Not Oxford
Kemi Badenoch: Sussex
Steve Barclay: Sandhurst then Cambridge
John Baron: Cambridge then Sandhurst
Jake Berry: Sheffield
Suella Braverman: Cambridge
Robert Buckland: Durham
Rehman Chishti: Aberystwyth
David Davis: Warwick then LBS then Harvard
Nadine Dorries: n/a
Sajid Javid: Exeter
Kwasi Kwarteng: Cambridge then Harvard then Cambridge again
Esther McVey: QML then City then Liverpool John Moores
Penny Mordaunt: Reading
Priti Patel: Keele then Essex
Grant Shapps: Manchester Polytechnic (now Manchester Metropolitan University)
Tom Tugendhat: Bristol then Cambridge
Ben Wallace: Sandhurst
Bill Wiggin: Bangor
Nadhim Zahawi: UCL

Of the four Oxford types, three read PPE: Liz Truss; Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt

Need to add second places for Suella Braverman (Cambridge then Sorbonne) and Rishi Sunak (Oxford then Stanford).

Joe Biden accidentally reads the part on the teleprompter that says "repeat the line" when they wanted him to say the line again lmfao

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1545441526133788673?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

IF yours truly were a UKer would not necessarily object to (yet another) old Etonian Prime Minister.

However, would insist on recruiting next PM from some frat-boy dining club besides Bullington.

The SDP-Green coalition has won a vote in the Bundestag backing more coal burning so that the three remaining nuclear plants can be switched off as planned this year. Climate targets may have to be abandoned as a result.

https://twitter.com/mark_lynas/status/1545345583262695424?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

Just looking through, is Chamberlain the only PM in the 20th century never to fight an election as PM?

He was appointed to the Premiership on the advice of Baldwin and he was replaced by Churchill. No election either time.

The great think about that Sunak video was how spontaneous is was, not at all planned for weeks.

Liz Truss’ plane just crossing the coast at Felixstowe. Should be down at Stansted in 15 minutes.

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Anyway, having watched his money no object campaign video I am once again declaring that I am Ready For Rishi.

If the Tories are serious about winning the next election, you need Rishi Sunak. A northern MP who has shown that he can parachute cash where its needed and puts levelling up front and centre. But he's also clear that we can't mortgage our kids' futures by spending daft.

Don't tell @HYUFD

Rishi talks human. Yes OK so he is a gazillionaire who doesn't know how contactless payments work. But half the candidates are gormless about something, and more than half downright nasty.

Sunak is the bridge between classic Toryism and the new north. He will show how he was whipped along to make mad pledges by the now ousted liar who was obsessed with boosterism. Thus pleasing the fiscal conservatives.

But he is relatively young, photogenic, affable and serious. Which is what we need. Way better than so many of the likely candidates already.

His down to Earth common touch is second to none. The Tory right will be behind him, albeit with a knife.

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Thanks for telling us about the bar of 20

DecrepiterJohnL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

algarkirk said:

Here is the list (only first degrees count)

Berry - Sheffield
Zahawi - UCL
Braverman - Cambridge
Javid - Exeter
Badenoch - Sussex
Truss - Oxford
Hunt - Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol
Baker - Southampton
Sunak - Oxford
Mordaunt - Reading
Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

For all the Wikipedia potential candidates...

Oxford
Steve Baker: Southampton then Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: Oxford
Rishi Sunak: Oxford
Liz Truss: Oxford

Not Oxford
Kemi Badenoch: Sussex
Steve Barclay: Sandhurst then Cambridge
John Baron: Cambridge then Sandhurst
Jake Berry: Sheffield
Suella Braverman: Cambridge
Robert Buckland: Durham
Rehman Chishti: Aberystwyth
David Davis: Warwick then LBS then Harvard
Nadine Dorries: n/a
Sajid Javid: Exeter
Kwasi Kwarteng: Cambridge then Harvard then Cambridge again
Esther McVey: QML then City then Liverpool John Moores
Penny Mordaunt: Reading
Priti Patel: Keele then Essex
Grant Shapps: Manchester Polytechnic (now Manchester Metropolitan University)
Tom Tugendhat: Bristol then Cambridge
Ben Wallace: Sandhurst
Bill Wiggin: Bangor
Nadhim Zahawi: UCL

Of the four Oxford types, three read PPE: Liz Truss; Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt

Need to add second places for Suella Braverman (Cambridge then Sorbonne) and Rishi Sunak (Oxford then Stanford).

@TheScreamingEagles will want to know there are only two Cambridge lawyers to pick from: Suella Braverman and Steve Barclay.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1545460849036431367

Ben Wallace’s old tweets may come back to haunt him if he decides to run for Tory leader…

Why? Neither tweet was wrong and most Tory members would not dispute the second

Channel 4 / Opinium survey of Tory members finds:

(a) a majority wanted Johnson to stay as leader
(b) Rishi Sunak has a slight lead with 25%, over Liz Truss.

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Anyway, having watched his money no object campaign video I am once again declaring that I am Ready For Rishi.

If the Tories are serious about winning the next election, you need Rishi Sunak. A northern MP who has shown that he can parachute cash where its needed and puts levelling up front and centre. But he's also clear that we can't mortgage our kids' futures by spending daft.

Don't tell @HYUFD

Rishi talks human. Yes OK so he is a gazillionaire who doesn't know how contactless payments work. But half the candidates are gormless about something, and more than half downright nasty.

Sunak is the bridge between classic Toryism and the new north. He will show how he was whipped along to make mad pledges by the now ousted liar who was obsessed with boosterism. Thus pleasing the fiscal conservatives.

But he is relatively young, photogenic, affable and serious. Which is what we need. Way better than so many of the likely candidates already.

Rishi can afford to buy his own wallpaper. Ironically, he won't have to because the previous tenants had the place done up.

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1545460849036431367

Ben Wallace’s old tweets may come back to haunt him if he decides to run for Tory leader…

Why? Neither tweet was wrong and most Tory members would not dispute the second

"Voting against gay marriage doesn't make anyone homophobic."

You mean, it makes them members of whatever the C of E has instead of a proper General Assembly?

Andy_JS said:

Channel 4 / Opinium survey of Tory members finds:

(a) a majority wanted Johnson to stay as leader
(b) Rishi Sunak has a slight lead with 25%, over Liz Truss.

He'll be back. He mightn't even be gone.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

algarkirk said:

Here is the list (only first degrees count)

Berry - Sheffield
Zahawi - UCL
Braverman - Cambridge
Javid - Exeter
Badenoch - Sussex
Truss - Oxford
Hunt - Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol
Baker - Southampton
Sunak - Oxford
Mordaunt - Reading
Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

You beat me to it.

Same list with second degrees included.

Wallace - Sandhurst
Mordaunt - Reading
Sunak - Oxford/Stanford
Baker - Southampton/Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol/Cambridge
Hunt - Oxford
Truss - Oxford
Badenach - Sussex/Birkbeck
Javid - Exeter
Braverman - Cambridge/Sorbonne
Zahawi - UCL
Berry - Sheffield

Wait, Braverman the Brexiteer went to the Sorbonne?

From the font of knowledge Wiki

"Braverman lived in France for two years, as an Erasmus Programme student and then as an Entente Cordiale Scholar, where she completed a master's degree in European and French law at Panthéon-Sorbonne University"

That will be the Erasmus scheme that British students can no longer participate in thanks to her? Nice.

It really does boil my piss when pols pull up the ladder after them. Enormously, and I don't even have any children at uni. It is so outright immoral to deny others the advantages one had.

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

FrancisUrquhart said:

The SDP-Green coalition has won a vote in the Bundestag backing more coal burning so that the three remaining nuclear plants can be switched off as planned this year. Climate targets may have to be abandoned as a result.

https://twitter.com/mark_lynas/status/1545345583262695424?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

German politicians are so useless. They always make the wrong decision.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

algarkirk said:

Here is the list (only first degrees count)

Berry - Sheffield
Zahawi - UCL
Braverman - Cambridge
Javid - Exeter
Badenoch - Sussex
Truss - Oxford
Hunt - Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol
Baker - Southampton
Sunak - Oxford
Mordaunt - Reading
Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

For all the Wikipedia potential candidates...

Oxford
Steve Baker: Southampton then Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: Oxford
Rishi Sunak: Oxford
Liz Truss: Oxford

Not Oxford
Kemi Badenoch: Sussex
Steve Barclay: Sandhurst then Cambridge
John Baron: Cambridge then Sandhurst
Jake Berry: Sheffield
Suella Braverman: Cambridge
Robert Buckland: Durham
Rehman Chishti: Aberystwyth
David Davis: Warwick then LBS then Harvard
Nadine Dorries: n/a
Sajid Javid: Exeter
Kwasi Kwarteng: Cambridge then Harvard then Cambridge again
Esther McVey: QML then City then Liverpool John Moores
Penny Mordaunt: Reading
Priti Patel: Keele then Essex
Grant Shapps: Manchester Polytechnic (now Manchester Metropolitan University)
Tom Tugendhat: Bristol then Cambridge
Ben Wallace: Sandhurst
Bill Wiggin: Bangor
Nadhim Zahawi: UCL

Of the four Oxford types, three read PPE: Liz Truss; Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt

Need to add second places for Suella Braverman (Cambridge then Sorbonne) and Rishi Sunak (Oxford then Stanford).

@TheScreamingEagles will want to know there are only two Cambridge lawyers to pick from: Suella Braverman and Steve Barclay.

Cambridge educated lawyers have more important jobs to do than be PM or some menial job as a Secretary of State.

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Joe Biden accidentally reads the part on the teleprompter that says "repeat the line" when they wanted him to say the line again lmfao

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1545441526133788673?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

Oh dear. For how long will they try and cover for him, before admitting that maybe an 80-year-old man is not the best guy to have in charge? Imagine starting to lose your faculties, whilst also being aware that you’re POTUS and the most powerful man in the world.

I am heading to 80 but really how can he be so stupid

Jonathan said:

What if Boris stood?

He's ineligible. Schedule 2 of the Conservative Party constitution.

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

dixiedean said:

I celebrate the diversity of having open homophobes on the site.
Which means I'm a metropolitan liberal who doesn't understand the Red Wall.
Or summat.
Still. It'll be different in the 2030's old fella me lad.

Who's a homophobe?

Another classic sign of being Woke: saying that anyone who objects to Woke is a bigot.

Er, no. Someone was celebrating the idea of propaganda (their word) use for a 'populist' government to repeal gay marriage, because it was accepted a majority do not and would not back it (and thus is not populist at all).

Woke has nothing to do with it. I'm opposed to a lot of silly stuff that bears the woke label, but this had nothing to do with it. Unless knowing gay people is a 'metropolitan bubble' thing is thought to be a sensible point.

My point was that when you say 'Woke is a problem ' the usual response of the Woke is to say 'what's Woke?' and then when you give examples of its dogmatic, obsessive and divisive nature to say 'so you think racism/ sexism/ homophobia is ok then?'.

This is a classic sign of being Woke. It's totally impervious to criticism or reason.

My I ask (gently) do you think that there are zero homophobic people posting on PB?

Or are you objecting to someone being charged with homophobia on here due to something they post?

Seems to me, from my perspective, that you are very close to saying, that anyone alleging that someone or something is anti-gay, is ipso facto woke. Is that incorrect re: your views?

OnlyLivingBoy said:

It's going to be Sunak. He ticks all the boxes: supported by MPs, members will vote for him, possesses rudimentary political skills and is a serious person. I think all the other candidates fail on at least one of those grounds. I think support will coalesce around him quickly and he will beat Truss or whoever else is up against him in the members' vote.

He won't, he is the David Miliband or Michael Portillo of this race, too liberal, too slick, too presumptuous when what the party wanted was a return to traditional socialist or social democrat values with Ed Miliband or traditional Conservative values with IDS.

Wallace also beat Sunak 51% to 30% in the recent Yougov Tory members poll

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544984543555371010?s=20&t=Hkrayn5myVcMmAbISYCotw

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

Only if Wallace runs - and an awful lot of people seem to think he won't (sensible person).

Woke racism from Jo Maugham:

williamglenn said:

Woke racism from Jo Maugham:

Done a Nish Kumar....

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

You mean you do not want Rishi and you have this idea you represent the membership which you do not

You are consistent but when the membership elects him what on earth are you going to do

Bray

NickPalmer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

All while China ruthlessly take control of every aspect from tik tok to international ML conferences.

I'm sort of relaxed about China ruthlessly controlling tik tok. What do you fear they'll do with it?

They ruthlessly control the message shown...in China it is used a propaganda tool, the west it can (and is) used to sow discontent....why use twitter / facebook like Russia, when you can just control the platform itself.

They also harvest all the info from it. Its like the worst of Meta behaviour on steroids. It is something Trump was actually right on (advised by security agencies).

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1545460849036431367

Ben Wallace’s old tweets may come back to haunt him if he decides to run for Tory leader…

Why? Neither tweet was wrong and most Tory members would not dispute the second

"Voting against gay marriage doesn't make anyone homophobic."

You mean, it makes them members of whatever the C of E has instead of a proper General Assembly?

It means they follow the Old Testament or Koran

Richard_Tyndall said:

algarkirk said:

Here is the list (only first degrees count)

Berry - Sheffield
Zahawi - UCL
Braverman - Cambridge
Javid - Exeter
Badenoch - Sussex
Truss - Oxford
Hunt - Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol
Baker - Southampton
Sunak - Oxford
Mordaunt - Reading
Wallace - (RMA Sandhurst)

You beat me to it.

Same list with second degrees included.

Wallace - Sandhurst
Mordaunt - Reading
Sunak - Oxford/Stanford
Baker - Southampton/Oxford
Tugendhat - Bristol/Cambridge
Hunt - Oxford
Truss - Oxford
Badenach - Sussex/Birkbeck
Javid - Exeter
Braverman - Cambridge/Sorbonne
Zahawi - UCL
Berry - Sheffield

If you count those then you can have a 6 a side Eton wall game, Oxbridge v Rest of the World. I'll back the side with Mordaunt in it.

Carnyx said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The SDP-Green coalition has won a vote in the Bundestag backing more coal burning so that the three remaining nuclear plants can be switched off as planned this year. Climate targets may have to be abandoned as a result.

https://twitter.com/mark_lynas/status/1545345583262695424?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

That's odd I could have sworn there were people saying the German Greens are different, they aren't mad like the ones we have.

TBF the Scottish Greens are somewhat more mainstream than the rUKGs.

There aren't rUKGs. There are NI Greens and E&W Greens.

Weird hot storms in Kotor Bay. Slightly end-times-y

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The SDP-Green coalition has won a vote in the Bundestag backing more coal burning so that the three remaining nuclear plants can be switched off as planned this year. Climate targets may have to be abandoned as a result.

https://twitter.com/mark_lynas/status/1545345583262695424?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

That's odd I could have sworn there were people saying the German Greens are different, they aren't mad like the ones we have.

They’re different alright, they’re the coal-burning Greens!

I guess Leadsom is backing Mordaunt:

@andrealeadsom
Young Tories want either Penny Mordaunt or Steve Baker as the next Prime Minister, poll reveals

https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/1545459058546712576

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

You mean you do not want Rishi and you have this idea you represent the membership which you do not

You are consistent but when the membership elects him what on earth are you going to do

Wallace beats Sunak 51% to 30% in the recent Yougov Tory members poll

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544984543555371010?s=20&t=Hkrayn5myVcMmAbISYCotw

Who cares about yougov - conservative mps and members will decide, and you do not speak for the membership just yourself

Leon said:

Weird hot storms in Kotor Bay. Slightly end-times-y

We are starting another heatwave back in Blighty.

FrancisUrquhart said:

williamglenn said:

Woke racism from Jo Maugham:

Done a Nish Kumar....

C4 News is saying the Tory members (plurality) back Rishi.
I agree his campaign looks too Portilloish. He will not win. But I don't think it's racism. The members will vote for Badenoch, but not this time round.

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

You mean you do not want Rishi and you have this idea you represent the membership which you do not

You are consistent but when the membership elects him what on earth are you going to do

Wallace beats Sunak 51% to 30% in the recent Yougov Tory members poll

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544984543555371010?s=20&t=Hkrayn5myVcMmAbISYCotw

Who cares about yougov - conservative mps and members will decide, and you do not speak for the membership just yourself

I speak for most members at present if Wallace gets to the final 2 as Yougov confirms.

No you do not

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

Is it fair to remark there is something a bit “Stop Rishi” creeping into your posts HY?

Is it the fact Rishi did bare minimum helping Boris this year, knifed Boris occasionally with “I would not have used that remark” comments, and has clearly been working with others for weeks if not months on this video that makes you cross he is a bit disloyal? Or is it Rishi’s record in the treasury of wasting eye watering sums on fraud, presided over lack of due diligence whilst happy to roll around in the limelight of praise of taxpayers money he was throwing around like confetti that you don’t think deserves rewarding with the top job?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

It's going to be Sunak. He ticks all the boxes: supported by MPs, members will vote for him, possesses rudimentary political skills and is a serious person. I think all the other candidates fail on at least one of those grounds. I think support will coalesce around him quickly and he will beat Truss or whoever else is up against him in the members' vote.

He won't, he is the David Miliband or Michael Portillo of this race, too liberal, too slick, too presumptuous when what the party wanted was a return to traditional socialist or social democrat values with Ed Miliband or traditional Conservative values with IDS

He very well may and confound your panic

I suspect that in these circumstances, @HYUFD is probably representative of other Tory members. Of course, if there is a coronation, the members will have no choice.

FrancisUrquhart said:

NickPalmer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

All while China ruthlessly take control of every aspect from tik tok to international ML conferences.

I'm sort of relaxed about China ruthlessly controlling tik tok. What do you fear they'll do with it?

They ruthlessly control the message shown...in China it is used a propaganda tool, the west it can (and is) used to sow discontent....why use twitter / facebook like Russia, when you can just control the platform itself.

They also harvest all the info from it. Its like the worst of Meta behaviour on steroids. It is something Trump was actually right on (advised by security agencies).

Aside from that, would should an ex-Communist fear from it?

Beibheirli_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

It's going to be Sunak. He ticks all the boxes: supported by MPs, members will vote for him, possesses rudimentary political skills and is a serious person. I think all the other candidates fail on at least one of those grounds. I think support will coalesce around him quickly and he will beat Truss or whoever else is up against him in the members' vote.

He won't, he is the David Miliband or Michael Portillo of this race, too liberal, too slick, too presumptuous when what the party wanted was a return to traditional socialist or social democrat values with Ed Miliband or traditional Conservative values with IDS

He very well may and confound your panic

I suspect that in these circumstances, @HYUFD is probably representative of other Tory members. Of course, if there is a coronation, the members will have no choice.

Not according to C4 News who confirm conservative members back Rishi

kle4 said:

I am opposed to Sunak becoming PM because I am angry the BCE keep naming his constituency Richmond (Yorks) and don't want to see it all the time.

I don't think there is any other constituency in that style.

Yes, the two Richmond seats should be delineated as:

Richmond Up North
Richmond Down South

It'd solve all confusion.

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

It's going to be Sunak. He ticks all the boxes: supported by MPs, members will vote for him, possesses rudimentary political skills and is a serious person. I think all the other candidates fail on at least one of those grounds. I think support will coalesce around him quickly and he will beat Truss or whoever else is up against him in the members' vote.

He won't, he is the David Miliband or Michael Portillo of this race, too liberal, too slick, too presumptuous when what the party wanted was a return to traditional socialist or social democrat values with Ed Miliband or traditional Conservative values with IDS

He very well may and confound your panic

I suspect that in these circumstances, @HYUFD is probably representative of other Tory members. Of course, if there is a coronation, the members will have no choice.

Not according to C4 News who confirm conservative members back Rishi

That C4 news Tory members poll only had a head to head between Sunak and Truss, in which Sunak scraped a win.

On first preferences Sunak was well under 50% with Wallace already a strong third

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1545460754857578498?t=pG5MK2do3yAzsn7Oqax8zA&s=19

MoonRabbit said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Nigelb said:

Sunak seems ridiculously short.

So I have laid him.

There’s always a stop someone? Stop Tarzan. Get Ken - Europhile traitor - get Portillo - stop Howard - knock Gove out - what DON’T we want? Angela Leadsome.

Just watched ITN news and it was framed as “disloyal Sunak who brought down Boris.” He’s the “get the disloyal one” candidate.
If Rishi in last two with Truss, Rishi is by far the better communicator, but she gets the “stop the traitor” votes. Pest did reveal 1st bar is 20 (TWENTY) nominations by the way.

Sunak's slick 'Ready for Rishi' website has obviously been ready well before this launch.

Just like Portillo he has launched straight out the blocks with a slick, liberal metropolitan focused campaign.

However Tory members and most Tory MPs aren't looking for that now, they want a decent, straight laced traditional Tory who will return to Conservative values. Wallace could well be the IDS or Douglas Home or Major of this race therefore to Sunak's Portillo or Rab Butler or Heseltine.

Is it fair to remark there is something a bit “Stop Rishi” creeping into your posts HY?

Is it the fact Rishi did bare minimum helping Boris this year, knifed Boris occasionally with “I would not have used that remark” comments, and has clearly been working with others for weeks if not months on this video that makes you cross he is a bit disloyal? Or is it Rishi’s record in the treasury of wasting eye watering sums on fraud, presided over lack of due diligence whilst happy to roll around in the limelight of praise of taxpayers money he was throwing around like confetti that you don’t think deserves rewarding with the top job?

Stop x campaigns often win Tory leadership campaigns against early favourites.

See the 'Stop Butler' behind the scenes campaign of 1963, the 'Stop Heseltine' campaign of 1990, the 'Stop Clarke' campaign of 1997, the 'Stop Portillo campaign of 2001 or arguably the 'Stop Davis' campaign of
2005 or the 'Stop Boris' campaign of 2016

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Joe Biden accidentally reads the part on the teleprompter that says "repeat the line" when they wanted him to say the line again lmfao

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1545441526133788673?s=20&t=lJ_hlqafj7ODRvRDRX7GeQ

Oh dear. For how long will they try and cover for him, before admitting that maybe an 80-year-old man is not the best guy to have in charge? Imagine starting to lose your faculties, whilst also being aware that you’re POTUS and the most powerful man in the world.

Look at the Veep’s face as Biden fluffs his lines again. Suppressed panic: Get Me Out Of Here

Uncannily like some of the faces Trump’s aides would pull during HIS insane speeches

Shape Up, Merika

It's weird to think that if Iowa Democrats had not fucked up royally, it would be President Buttigieg right now.

South Carolina say "hi y'all!"

Actually, it wasn't just Iowa Democrats. It was also Mike Bloomberg.

Buttigieg would have ridden victory in Iowa to victory in New Hampshire.

And then he would likely have come a solid second in Nevada behind Sanders. And I don't think Biden could have come back from that.

Without Bloomberg in the race, there would therefore have been one moderate candidate - Buttigieg - and he would have cruised to the nomination.