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Congrats to your daughter Richard, that's greatTheScreamingEagles said:
Congrats.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers Leon.Leon said:
Well done to your daughter! That fantasticRichard_Tyndall said:
Honestly absolutely delighted. The third good news I have heard today after Johnson's resignation and my daughter getting a 1st in her degree.CorrectHorseBattery said:I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.
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Is it particularly right wing to be a lying scumbag?HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.1 -
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?5 -
He will call on his supporters to march on Parliament.Slackbladder said:
Oh god.... whats going to go down...Scott_xP said:Downing Street sources suggest Boris Johnson is currently tweaking his resignation statement. Some concern he may not actually read out what was prepared.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1544993604325761025
Here we, here we, here we fucking go......0 -
I wonder if he might make JRM Scotland minister?Scott_xP said:Exclusive
Being told that Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary who was sacked by Boris Johnson, is making a comeback as Welsh Secretary
He's the Tory MP for Swindon South
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15449929405350789130 -
His morality and ethics is that Francisco Franco was a liberal left softy.TOPPING said:
Is it particularly right wing to be a lying scumbag?HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.1 -
Whisper it quietly
Starmer's path to No10 just got harder today...2 -
What time is the lying shyster due to speak?0
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It often strikes me that HYUFD's overriding belief is in the basic principle that 'Might is Right'. It is certainly a thread that seems to run through many of his comments and arguments.TOPPING said:
Is it particularly right wing to be a lying scumbag?HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.7 -
Quite unpleasant and uncalled forRochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?1 -
The problem is someone will start a chat with a customer rep there, who will be utterly clueless about the market and their statements will create a false market.Peter_the_Punter said:
Anybody mention the US Presidential Market?Alistair said:
They added "We will settle this market on the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson as published on" after being asked about interim PM. And being reminded about what happened with the Theresa May market.BartholomewRoberts said:
In the event of any ambiguity over an announcement, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official announcements before the market is settled. If there is any change to the established ministerial role or any ambiguity as to who occupies the position, then Betfair reserves the right to void this market at its absolute discretion.Alistair said:
We will settle this market on the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson as published on https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-ministerTOPPING said:
I'm all over that but haven't checked the small print. Is interim leader leader as far as bf is concerned?Alistair said:The clear headed correct move right now is for Boris to (checks book) hand over to Raab as interim Prime Minister.
I expect Betfair will claim that interim is ambiguous and won't pay out on interim.
Anyone expecting Betfair to religiously stick to what the rules say without any controversy has already forgotten the 2020 election market.
They are truly hopeless.1 -
I'm supposed to be in a meeting at 1pm. Delay! Delay!Scott_xP said:Understand there is currently a stand-off between PM and his staff over the contents of his resignation statement, which he's due to deliver to the nation at 1pm.
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/15449932455953285130 -
If he has the horned fur shaman hat on - be worried.....Slackbladder said:
Oh god.... whats going to go down...Scott_xP said:Downing Street sources suggest Boris Johnson is currently tweaking his resignation statement. Some concern he may not actually read out what was prepared.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1544993604325761025
Here we, here we, here we fucking go......0 -
Do you mean the Jeremy Vine story about him running the same panto routine of affecting to make up a speech on the spot and forgetting the name of the organisation he was giving a speech for, at two different events?Carnyx said:
Have you read the famous account by someone who was at the same function as Johnson, about his degree of preparation and the content of his talk? (Sorry, don't have the link ...).LostPassword said:
Dunno. I can imagine lots of people loving the opportunity to heckle Johnson, and there will always be a few enraptured true believers.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm struggling to think of who would want to hire Boris as a speaker. Surely the type of people who attend such events would regard it as a kind of veiled insult.numbertwelve said:The interesting thing will be to see if Sunak stands and if h
Oh Boris has precisely zero to worry about in his post premiership. The public speech circuit in the states beckons, the book will sell, in time he might even pop up and do a couple of TV shows again. He’ll go back to his buffoonery and weird private life, and in time I hate to say this to PB but the public (or at least those of a centre right persuasion) will forgive him everything: because he is Boris, and he tried, and he got Brexit done, and he is our loveable buffoon even if he did make a bit of a hash of some things. Just my thoughts.Leon said:
You're wrong. I rarely read memoirs but I will certainly read Boris' - not because of the man but because of everything he witnessed, and often personally decided. He's not James Joyce, but he can write well, which is a significant advantageFoxy said:
Any memoirs may get large advances from the publishers, but will be in the remainder boxes within months. No one wants to read over Covid either, except a few public health people trying to formulate lessons, and they will want facts not Johnsonion bluster.biggles said:
His memoirs will sell heavily internationally, Brexit is now bedded in as a fact of life, and whether you agree or not the public think the vaccine rollout out went very well. The short hand history of Boris will read “did what he said he’d do on Brexit, and managed Covid well, but was undone by his personal weaknesses”..Heathener said:
First up, no one these days reads political memoirs. Nor do they any longer have an interest in reading books by sad old white male sexual predators. Appetites have changed. He may get a decent advance but the publishers won't earn out the advance in sales.kle4 said:
On Leon's point about history being kinder to him than PB, that is possible, in relation to some big policy matters (others will disagree), but his personal standards will not be treated kindly, and in any case in the moment of being forced out few will be thinking about reflecting on positivesMorris_Dancer said:The delay is unacceptable.
He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.
Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.
Second, history will not be kinder to him on the bigger issues. Leon says this because of his obsession with Brexit, after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box and with all the tedious zealotry that brings. For most of the rest of us it's obvious Brexit is a massive cock-up that is going to take years to sort out properly. The NI protocol is one example of Boris bodging Brexit in a disastrous fashion. He never thought it through properly because he didn't care about it. He was never a Brexiteer. He chose Brexit to become King of the World. Nothing more.
Other big issues? The initial vaccine rollout was a success but on most other counts our handling of covid has been another cock-up, from the ridiculously lax opening (Cheltenham and Bath Half ffs) to the over-reaction the other way with ludicrously over-tight lockdowns and pernicious policing. That Big Brother state then extended into horrendous legislature further restricting our freedoms. Except for himself, obvs.
He is a shit. The vilest prime minister of any of our lifetimes. He deserves a category of worst prime ministers all to himself. The others, however poor, don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as this wicked clown.
He dragged down his party. He dragged downthis country.
eg Covid. I really do want to know who decided what and when. I want the gory details. We were locked down for months. Who was pro, who was anti. And what was it like for him nearly dying? That's a chapter right there
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it will sell very nicely. It is an incredible story. Those who hate Boris will never buy it. They will secretly steal it from friends and guiltily read it at 2am, while scowling with anger1 -
I can sort of understand "a naked desire for power at any price" on a do the means justify the ends basis.RochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?
What is confusing is that the naked desire for power at any price is not for power to deliver specific really important policies, but instead whatever variable the current incarnation of the Tory party is in favour of, even when HYUFD does not think it is a good idea himself.
Why use extreme means for something just because of the colour of a rosette?1 -
To be fair, there's not a lot of depth for Welsh Tory MPs. Stephen Crabb, David Jones and Alun Cairns have all already done the job, Simon Hart just stepped down, David Davies tweeted that he wouldn't take the job if offered and all the other Welsh Tories are 2019 intake. Swindon's at least in the same ITV region.Scott_xP said:Exclusive
Being told that Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary who was sacked by Boris Johnson, is making a comeback as Welsh Secretary
He's the Tory MP for Swindon South
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15449929405350789131 -
A-fib ?MaxPB said:Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
I think it caused my father in law's stroke, and my brother in laws had cardiac ablation to treat it.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/atrial-fibrillation-ablation/about/pac-203849690 -
🚨NEW POLLING WITH @GMB 🚨
Boris Johnson is now less popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Boris Johnson:
Favourable 22%
Unfavourable 62%
NET SCORE -40
Jeremy Corbyn:
Favourable 21%
Unfavourable 56%
NET SCORE -35
Keir Starmer:
Favourable 34%
Unfavourable 35%
NET SCORE -1 https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1544995322530783232/photo/10 -
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Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach0 -
My view is that he thinks the job of the Conservatives is to govern in the interest of 30% or so of the population, and the rest can go hang.Richard_Tyndall said:
It often strikes me that HYUFD's overriding belief is in the basic principle that 'Might is Right'. It is certainly a thread that seems to run through many of his comments and arguments.TOPPING said:
Is it particularly right wing to be a lying scumbag?HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.1 -
Starmer threatens VONC if Johnson does not resign as PM ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼Alistair said:
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No he isn't. Johnson Addressing The Nation plays in to his presidential, mandate from 14 m voters nonsense. His mandate comes (came) from his majority in the HoC and nothing elseBig_G_NorthWales said:
On this Hoyle is out of orderDecrepiterJohnL said:Lindsay Hoyle (Speaker) annoyed that Boris's statement will apparently be to television cameras rather than the House.
If he tries to hang on till Sept I think he is in real danger of VONC both from the new 22 exec, and from SKS in the HoC. It's not like either body has to worry about a defeat shoring up his credibility any more.
Gibbon on the demise of one of the Gordians
“When the army had elected Philip, who was Prætorian præfect to the third Gordian, the latter demanded that he might remain sole emperor; he was unable to obtain it. He requested that the power might be equally divided between them; the army would not listen to his speech. He consented to be degraded to the rank of Cæsar; the favor was refused him. He desired, at least, he might be appointed Prætorian præfect; his prayer was rejected. Finally, he pleaded for his life. The army, in these several judgments, exercised the supreme magistracy.”
According to the historian, whose doubtful narrative the President De Montesquieu has adopted, Philip, who, during the whole transaction, had preserved a sullen silence, was inclined to spare the innocent life of his benefactor; till, recollecting that his innocence might excite a dangerous compassion in the Roman world, he commanded, without regard to his suppliant cries, that he should be seized, stripped, and led away to instant death. After a moment’s pause, the inhuman sentence was executed.
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Raab and Sunak around 5.6, Wallace still 4.2.
Is Wallace contingent on a coronation?0 -
He's actually announcing appointments
Even more remarkable, there are still some idiot enough to accept0 -
BREAKING: Labour leader Keir Starmer threatens to table a confidence motion in Boris Johnson if he "clings on" in No 10 after he has resigned as Tory leader.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/15449958769884119051 -
30% ? In HYUFD's eyes the purpose of a Conservative Government is to act as a Mafiosi enriching him and fellow members to the detriment of everyone else.Sean_F said:
My view is that he thinks the job of the Conservatives is to govern in the interest of 30% or so of the population, and the rest can go hang.Richard_Tyndall said:
It often strikes me that HYUFD's overriding belief is in the basic principle that 'Might is Right'. It is certainly a thread that seems to run through many of his comments and arguments.TOPPING said:
Is it particularly right wing to be a lying scumbag?HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.0 -
I find it strange for someone who appears pretty socially conservative (high church and all that) that you can be so blindly loyal to someone who is totally amoral and wouldn't bother to cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire. He has absolute contempt for people like you. He has also done massive damage to the Conservative Party and its values, all in pursuit of his own ego. You should be relieved he is now history - hopefully just an aberration in the history of a values led party.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.5 -
ITV region? Didn't know that. I was thinking more it was to do with all that fuss about the incomplete rail electrification leading to a vague notion in the Conservative mastermind that Swindon had something to do with Wales.DM_Andy said:
To be fair, there's not a lot of depth for Welsh Tory MPs. Stephen Crabb, David Jones and Alun Cairns have all already done the job, Simon Hart just stepped down, David Davies tweeted that he wouldn't take the job if offered and all the other Welsh Tories are 2019 intake. Swindon's at least in the same ITV region.Scott_xP said:Exclusive
Being told that Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary who was sacked by Boris Johnson, is making a comeback as Welsh Secretary
He's the Tory MP for Swindon South
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15449929405350789130 -
Labour hammering Lebedev now.DecrepiterJohnL said:Oops. Has Boris told another fib? Differences between the Minister and the Liaison Committee as to whether Boris reported his meeting with Lebedev.
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Useless hacks STILL screwing up this story.
He met Lebedev Friday 20 March 2020, REPEAT 2020!, on about the peak covid first wave chaos day as we prepared lockdown, as PM without officials!!
Snuck off without telling us!
What's wrong with you hacks get the story right FFS! https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/15449933433940090900 -
We just need a FPN to make the week completeSlackbladder said:Whisper it quietly
Starmer's path to No10 just got harder today...2 -
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach1 -
They are trying to cut down the Peppa Pig references.....Slackbladder said:
Oh god.... whats going to go down...Scott_xP said:Downing Street sources suggest Boris Johnson is currently tweaking his resignation statement. Some concern he may not actually read out what was prepared.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1544993604325761025
Here we, here we, here we fucking go......0 -
On reflection, £120,000 to have dinner with a lame duck #BorisJohnson, Theresa May and David Cameron now feels a little cheap for that experience…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/inside-glitzy-tory-summer-party-272935291 -
I expect one of that lot to be elected PM. I expect the "Conservative" party wants to test moving further right towards election losing extremes.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
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He got the exit in shame and disgrace that he always deserved.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
If you choose another flawed and unsuitable national leader, eventually so will they.0 -
Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?0
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It’s full steam ahead, some Tory MPs will be wondering if this will morph into an attempt to cling on… https://twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/15449963274189867550
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After being in power for over a decade yes that is often the way parties go, see Labour 2010 to 2020 and 1980 to 1992, the Tories 1997 to 2005 etcBeibheirli_C said:
I expect one of that lot to be elected PM. I expect the "Conservative" party wants to test moving further right towards election losing extremes.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!0 -
Since her plane is already there (G-GBNI) it may be that the crew need rest hours after flying there. Good luck getting a commercial flight out of DPS - it’s booked out as demand is currently exceeding supply.rottenborough said:Truss can't get a flight for another 12 hours reporting ITV.
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Is it? HY is attacking people like me - "left Liberal PBers" as being responsible for Johnson's downfall. This is not true. Nor are our views or perspectives the reason why Tory MPs have brought him down.Leon said:
Quite unpleasant and uncalled forRochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?
I have no problem with people having different perspectives of policies, politics, what is right for the country etc etc. This is not that. Nor does HY ever ever make claims like that - quite simply he is only interested in the advancement of his party and every single one of the very real and very serious issues of wrongdoing that have brought the PM down he has deflected.
I don't go round picking holes in the morality of most pro-Boris or pro-Tory posters. Because they are not massive hypocrites like HY is. On this site we pick holes in political arguments positions and perspectives. HY's are 0% morality and 100% political calculation. That is what I am pointing out. That he personally claims 100% morality is therefore hypocritical and I hold up a mirror to that massive plank sticking out of his eye.0 -
Happily no, I have a premature ectopic heartbeat which is caused by a secondary area of heartbeat triggering. It's not very serious but last night made me realise I'm not just here for me, I've got a wife and daughter as well and I want to see my daughter grow up. Sacrificing coffee seems like a small price to pay for that.Nigelb said:
A-fib ?MaxPB said:Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
I think it caused my father in law's stroke, and my brother in laws had cardiac ablation to treat it.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/atrial-fibrillation-ablation/about/pac-203849694 -
Yes but the Red Wall voted for Boris and to get Brexit done not the Tory Party, now Brexit has got done and Boris is not even Tory leaderGallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach0 -
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This makes no sense. He's announcing his resignation as Conservative Party Leader, which isn't a matter for the House.DecrepiterJohnL said:Lindsay Hoyle (Speaker) annoyed that Boris's statement will apparently be to television cameras rather than the House.
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Not sure I agree with Steve Brine that the 5% nomination threshold needs to be increased to avoid a "Wacky Races" scenario. The worst thing for the Tories and the country is to have a very polarising leadership election. Someone that's got a limited 1st preference vote but the vast majority of the parliamentary party would be happy with as a 2nd/3rd choice could be quite successful.0
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No, Wallace would win the membership voteMorris_Dancer said:Raab and Sunak around 5.6, Wallace still 4.2.
Is Wallace contingent on a coronation?1 -
Seemed pretty fair to me. With everything we know it is quite legit to question the morality of someone who continues to be an apologist for someone without morals.Leon said:
Quite unpleasant and uncalled forRochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?0 -
It might be too early to judge that.Slackbladder said:Whisper it quietly
Starmer's path to No10 just got harder today...
There's a lot of troubles on the horizon for any new leader and PM. Brexit still has a negative effect on the finances and the cost of living crisis there doesn't appear to be any real answers. Covid is still around and all it would take is one variant that mutates to cause much greater severity and that will cause a huge amount of problems.
It might just be the Conservatives time in government in this spell is up (12 years and counting) and time to bring back in Labour for a while.0 -
Mr. HYUFD, interesting answer, cheers.1
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I just think calling someone "totally devoid of morality and ethics" is unnecessarily personal and abusiveRochdalePioneers said:
Is it? HY is attacking people like me - "left Liberal PBers" as being responsible for Johnson's downfall. This is not true. Nor are our views or perspectives the reason why Tory MPs have brought him down.Leon said:
Quite unpleasant and uncalled forRochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?
I have no problem with people having different perspectives of policies, politics, what is right for the country etc etc. This is not that. Nor does HY ever ever make claims like that - quite simply he is only interested in the advancement of his party and every single one of the very real and very serious issues of wrongdoing that have brought the PM down he has deflected.
I don't go round picking holes in the morality of most pro-Boris or pro-Tory posters. Because they are not massive hypocrites like HY is. On this site we pick holes in political arguments positions and perspectives. HY's are 0% morality and 100% political calculation. That is what I am pointing out. That he personally claims 100% morality is therefore hypocritical and I hold up a mirror to that massive plank sticking out of his eye.
In short: if you must do it, do it after the lagershed when we are all drunk3 -
I'm not sure that's necessarily the case. Given the choice between Lab or Con in 2019, they went for the lower spending, smaller state option.Gallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach
I don't think we can assume a correlation between levels of wealth and desire for a small state. What the red wall wants - and what Con voters in red wall seats want - is a bit more nuanced.0 -
Unless Hoyle's heard he's had a change of heart and is resigning from both....Applicant said:.
This makes no sense. He's announcing his resignation as Conservative Party Leader, which isn't a matter for the House.DecrepiterJohnL said:Lindsay Hoyle (Speaker) annoyed that Boris's statement will apparently be to television cameras rather than the House.
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If I had a naked desire for power at any price I would have joined the Labour Party from 1997 to 2010RochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?0 -
Congrats, Richard, and thank you Horse for reconsidering.BartholomewRoberts said:
Congrats to your daughter Richard, that's greatTheScreamingEagles said:
Congrats.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers Leon.Leon said:
Well done to your daughter! That fantasticRichard_Tyndall said:
Honestly absolutely delighted. The third good news I have heard today after Johnson's resignation and my daughter getting a 1st in her degree.CorrectHorseBattery said:I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.3 -
22 is more than 21.Scott_xP said:🚨NEW POLLING WITH @GMB 🚨
Boris Johnson is now less popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Boris Johnson:
Favourable 22%
Unfavourable 62%
NET SCORE -40
Jeremy Corbyn:
Favourable 21%
Unfavourable 56%
NET SCORE -35
Keir Starmer:
Favourable 34%
Unfavourable 35%
NET SCORE -1 https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1544995322530783232/photo/11 -
It really didn’t. Labour are closer to power than they’ve been since 2010. It’s good news.Slackbladder said:Whisper it quietly
Starmer's path to No10 just got harder today...0 -
There's no way he can stay on until October. It's arrant nonsense to think he can. Someone needs to grip this.
https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonPC/status/15449722395017543680 -
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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12.30 Johnson statement1
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I'd be a wee bit suspicious of anyone proposing a technique using 'cold energy'. Interesting approach though. My FiL also has it.Nigelb said:
A-fib ?MaxPB said:Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
I think it caused my father in law's stroke, and my brother in laws had cardiac ablation to treat it.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/atrial-fibrillation-ablation/about/pac-203849691 -
UK Education Secretaries, a short history:
Tuesday: Nadhim Zahawi
Wednesday: Michelle Donelan
Thursday: James Cleverley
https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1544997698755084288
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Oh, she’s relying on a commercial flight, rather than the government plane?rottenborough said:Truss can't get a flight for another 12 hours reporting ITV.
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BETTING POST
Bet yesterday on Dominic Raab on Smarkets as next PM thinking he might be interim PM. Smarkets have made clear on their rules though that interim PM would not count (despite the claim no such thing exists).
However Raab has come in to 6.6-6.8 so I've laid off my stake and made a 420% return on my stake in 24 hours. Not bad. However if that is because others are thinking Raab will be interim, or because they're matching Betfair (where the rules indicate interim may pay out unlike Smarkets) then this could be a very good lay.
I don't see why Raab would be layable at 6.8 otherwise. Cashing out or laying Raab on Smarkets could be good value. Laying him on Smarkets and backing him on Betfair might even be potentially profitable.2 -
They want more spending on them and less on everyone else.Cookie said:
I'm not sure that's necessarily the case. Given the choice between Lab or Con in 2019, they went for the lower spending, smaller state option.Gallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach
I don't think we can assume a correlation between levels of wealth and desire for a small state. What the red wall wants - and what Con voters in red wall seats want - is a bit more nuanced.0 -
Appointed yesterday. Resigned this morning.Cookie said:
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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Cabinet appointed and meeting at 3
BoZo "statement"
I am not resigning...0 -
Of course it fecking will.Scott_xP said:It’s full steam ahead, some Tory MPs will be wondering if this will morph into an attempt to cling on… https://twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/1544996327418986755
He will say anything and lie about anything to buy 24 hours never mind the 3 months he is about to buy by lying about resigning.
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Two years of a new PM will alter the dynamic. Still think Cons largest party (by quite some way) is most likely, with a majority not too far behind.Jonathan said:
It really didn’t. Labour are closer to power than they’ve been since 2010. It’s good news.Slackbladder said:Whisper it quietly
Starmer's path to No10 just got harder today...1 -
Not clever enough, clearly.Cookie said:
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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Well you have already confessed to voting for Welsh independence.HYUFD said:
If I had a naked desire for power at any price I would have joined the Labour Party from 1997 to 2010RochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?
Anything else you wish to confess?0 -
Sorry, but as I have said before, you lose credibility with your statements that are presented as facts. This is complete cobblers, and Mike has presented at least two headers with strong evidence that the strongest motivation for people in those seats at that election was stopping Corbyn. You are like a "speak your weight" machine that keeps repeating political slogans.HYUFD said:
Yes but the Red Wall voted for Boris and to get Brexit done not the Tory Party, now Brexit has got done and Boris is not even Tory leaderGallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach
As for your other statement that Wallace will win the membership vote, that may be the balance of probability, but it is not fact. Try applying a little nuance, or perhaps start your sentences with IMO. You are not fecking Nostradamus.0 -
Friday: ????CarlottaVance said:UK Education Secretaries, a short history:
Tuesday: Nadhim Zahawi
Wednesday: Michelle Donelan
Thursday: James Cleverley
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Well that’s what levelling up always entailed - the problem was that Boris couldn’t be honest about that and instead told everyone what they wanted to hear.OnlyLivingBoy said:
They want more spending on them and less on everyone else.Cookie said:
I'm not sure that's necessarily the case. Given the choice between Lab or Con in 2019, they went for the lower spending, smaller state option.Gallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach
I don't think we can assume a correlation between levels of wealth and desire for a small state. What the red wall wants - and what Con voters in red wall seats want - is a bit more nuanced.1 -
Sounds like an exam question.solarflare said:
Friday: ????CarlottaVance said:UK Education Secretaries, a short history:
Tuesday: Nadhim Zahawi
Wednesday: Michelle Donelan
Thursday: James Cleverley
https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/15449976987550842880 -
Not sure if already posted but per Times Radio:
YouGov has polled Con members and done several head to heads - and Wallace wins a head to head against all other leading candidates.1 -
And so it begins. Operation Keep Big Dog in No 10 even though he says he is resigning...
Sebastian Payne
@SebastianEPayne
·
1m
New cabinet coming through:
@GregClarkMP
as levelling up secretary,
@JamesCleverly
as education,
@RobertBuckland
as Wales,
@kitmalthouse
as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. No10 calculating that appointing moderate temporary cabinet ministers will allow Johnson to cling on.0 -
Nearly two thirds of voters think a new Conservative leader should call an early election. Just 24% disagree.
88% of Labour voters think there should be an early election compared to 45% of Conservative voters. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1544999508102320130/photo/10 -
Depends who you choose!MarqueeMark said:
Two years of a new PM will alter the dynamic. Still think Cons largest party (by quite some way) is most likely, with a majority not too far behind.Jonathan said:
It really didn’t. Labour are closer to power than they’ve been since 2010. It’s good news.Slackbladder said:Whisper it quietly
Starmer's path to No10 just got harder today...0 -
The problem for the Conservatives is that the leadership election will involve choices, which Boris has been evading. Whoever they choose is going to piss off part of their shaky electoral coalition.Gallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach5 -
I presume skiing doesn't count as a game?YBarddCwsc said:
I find cricket the most tedious game in the world, with the possible exception of golf.Carnyx said:
The answer is obvious. Major, on cricket.YBarddCwsc said:
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
I wouldn't like to be the publisher's lawyer for Mr J's memoirs. Especially with any superinjunction possibly hypothetically imposed by Mr J himself (a further point to bear in mind re any memoirs).0 -
Great to hear you are ok, Max.MaxPB said:
Happily no, I have a premature ectopic heartbeat which is caused by a secondary area of heartbeat triggering. It's not very serious but last night made me realise I'm not just here for me, I've got a wife and daughter as well and I want to see my daughter grow up. Sacrificing coffee seems like a small price to pay for that.Nigelb said:
A-fib ?MaxPB said:Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
I think it caused my father in law's stroke, and my brother in laws had cardiac ablation to treat it.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/atrial-fibrillation-ablation/about/pac-20384969
I cannot stress too highly the importance of a good diet in assisting not only a long life but the ability to actually enjoy it. Coffee and other 'treats' are a small price to pay.1 -
Who da thought it?Scott_xP said:Nearly two thirds of voters think a new Conservative leader should call an early election. Just 24% disagree.
88% of Labour voters think there should be an early election compared to 45% of Conservative voters. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1544999508102320130/photo/11 -
Severance pay tomorrow. Trebles all round.Beibheirli_C said:
Appointed yesterday. Resigned this morning.Cookie said:
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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As a matter of interest, how much do the overnight ministers earn for their 24 hours of office ?Beibheirli_C said:
Appointed yesterday. Resigned this morning.Cookie said:
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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VONC this afternoon.
Get him out or they will (and we will) all regret it.
He is pure poison. Trump-levels of mental illness or personality disorder. The country is not in safe hands whilst he remains.
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In 2017 the redwall seats voted for Corbyn.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry, but as I have said before, you lose credibility with your statements that are presented as facts. This is complete cobblers, and Mike has presented at least two headers with strong evidence that the strongest motivation for people in those seats at that election was stopping Corbyn. You are like a "speak your weight" machine that keeps repeating political slogans.HYUFD said:
Yes but the Red Wall voted for Boris and to get Brexit done not the Tory Party, now Brexit has got done and Boris is not even Tory leaderGallowgate said:
So what? The red wall do not want tax cutting and a small state. They want levelling up.HYUFD said:
Even if he was, as El Capitano says he was also a relatively Liberal, One Nation amoral, sociopathic snake apart from Brexit.Sean_F said:
Right wing, and EU Sceptic Conservatives wanted him gone.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
Help us all
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
It's not about policy. It's about his being an amoral, sociopathic snake.
Once he goes the Tories will now likely move even further to the tax cutting, small state, anti Woke, anti lockdown right in the next few years while still keeping Johnson's hard Brexit approach
As for your other statement that Wallace will win the membership vote, that may be the balance of probability, but it is not fact. Try applying a little nuance, or perhaps start your sentences with IMO. You are not fecking Nostradamus.
The redwall seats only voted Conservative in 2019 for Boris and to get Brexit done.
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How do they define 'interim PM' ?BartholomewRoberts said:BETTING POST
Bet yesterday on Dominic Raab on Smarkets as next PM thinking he might be interim PM. Smarkets have made clear on their rules though that interim PM would not count (despite the claim no such thing exists).
However Raab has come in to 6.6-6.8 so I've laid off my stake and made a 420% return on my stake in 24 hours. Not bad. However if that is because others are thinking Raab will be interim, or because they're matching Betfair (where the rules indicate interim may pay out unlike Smarkets) then this could be a very good lay.
I don't see why Raab would be layable at 6.8 otherwise. Cashing out or laying Raab on Smarkets could be good value. Laying him on Smarkets and backing him on Betfair might even be potentially profitable.0 -
I'm still waiting for an example of when what "they always used to do" happened.RochdalePioneers said:
The Deputy Prime Minister. Or if he recuses himself because he wants the job permanently, then we are back to the men in grey suits making a recommendation to the monarch. As they always used to do.williamglenn said:
That's not a valid precedent because when Brown left it was clear who would take over.RochdalePioneers said:The precedent? Gordon Brown. Realised he was a barrier and voluntarily resigned as party leader. But expected he would continue as PM. As that quickly became not just untenable but laughable he had to make another statement that he was going. Before it went dark.
Do you really image the theatre of someone going to the palace to be asked to form a caretaker government?0 -
For those that remember Robin Day, she genuinely would be, in his words, "a here today, gone tomorrow politician"Beibheirli_C said:
Appointed yesterday. Resigned this morning.Cookie said:
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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No I didn't, I voted for more Tory candidates than Plaid on that town council ballot paper and Welsh independence was not on the ballotRochdalePioneers said:
Well you have already confessed to voting for Welsh independence.HYUFD said:
If I had a naked desire for power at any price I would have joined the Labour Party from 1997 to 2010RochdalePioneers said:
Indeed. I don't believe you have any morality or ethics. You have always deflected away from everything BlowJo has done and insisted its all about opinion polls. No right. No wrong. No morals. Just a naked desire for power at any price.HYUFD said:
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will beFarooq said:
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.RochdalePioneers said:
This is pathetic, even for your good self.HYUFD said:
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.Razedabode said:If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god
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Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
That's your "morality and ethics" is it?
Anything else you wish to confess?0 -
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I understand that you are basing your position on what certain current polling indicates but do you think that your certainties are premature?HYUFD said:
No, Wallace would win the membership voteMorris_Dancer said:Raab and Sunak around 5.6, Wallace still 4.2.
Is Wallace contingent on a coronation?
We don’t know how long any leadership campaign will last and so if not a snap decision there is plenty of time for candidates to lay out their ideas and programmes which will open the eyes of the membership (and MPs). For example we can’t be 100% sure what Sunak would do as PM as whilst CotE he had a relatively narrow remit - if he puts his ideas into a wider programme then it might massively change minds.
We also don’t know what Wallace’s plans would be and his ideas might not stack up or be that attractive to the wider electorate which could serve as a hurdle.
There is also the likelihood that some will stand where the press have juicy damaging info which has been held back until “ worth using” which could derail candidates and change the balance.0 -
The number quoted earlier was £35KNigelb said:
As a matter of interest, how much do the overnight ministers earn for their 24 hours of office ?Beibheirli_C said:
Appointed yesterday. Resigned this morning.Cookie said:
What? What happened to Michelle Donelan?noneoftheabove said:Cleverly Education Secretary - is ydoethur the new 10 spin doctor perhaps?
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Voters in Stratford-upon-Avon react to the news that Boris Johnson is set to resign as prime minister 👇
Latest politics updates: https://trib.al/dwvcRFT https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1545000534276456454/video/1
Zahawi's constituency...0 -
Has he said yet whether he wants it?MikeL said:Not sure if already posted but per Times Radio:
YouGov has polled Con members and done several head to heads - and Wallace wins a head to head against all other leading candidates.0 -
He shot a man in Reno and watched him die!TOPPING said:
I will not be buying them. Not because I think Boris is a tosser, but because I have Mandleson's, Blair's, and Boris's Churchill (a present) on my bookshelves and can't be motivated to pick up any of them to read.TheScreamingEagles said:I despise Boris Johnson but I’m going to buy his memoirs because that’s what I do with ex PMs.
I might have to report Leon to the rozzers for larceny. .
A bit like I dislike biopic films. Who cares what Johnny Cash did or didn't do.
I care!2
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