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edited July 2022 in General
A day long remembered – politicalbetting.com

A day long remembered. https://t.co/vZFMuJPbdu

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  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,708
    First and Boris isn't hurrah.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,754
    Rejoice!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Look forward to seeing the Tory posters accusing Labour of being in a coalition of chaos if they win in 2024!

    Do you think the break up of the Union will be any better than this?
    The biggest danger to the Union are the Tories not Labour .
    No the biggest danger to the Union are the SNP if the UK government gives into them until they get what they want
    Huh? The official PB line is that the SNP don’t want independence. Please keep rank Private Franco.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Oh happy day!!!
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,289
    I have a meeting in four minutes, no one minute. One minute to skip and jump and laugh....The Clown is out, the Clown is out!

    It is better than England simultaneously winning the Footy World Cup, the Rugby World Cup and every other sport through to tiddlywinks World Cup. Oh joyous days!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Staying as PM til the autumn?!?
    Nuclear war with Russia it is.
  • Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,677
    edited July 2022

    Rejoice!

    The unflushable turd has been flushed! :smile:

    Let's hope we don't find there's another one floating to the top...

    Edit: Also, glad I'm (mostly) traded out of Starmer for next PM a while ago. All green there.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,289
    The Clown is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (well almost!)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    edited July 2022
    The famous men in grey suits finally got to him, with the whisky and revolver.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    (Not yet resigned) ministers and cabinet will stay on with Boris whilst a new leader is sorted.
    Wallace has basically laid out the boiler plate templte they'll all come out with on twitter after Boris announces his resignation pending a new leader.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    Europe rejoices!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd rather see him escorted out of Downing Street today than trust him to keep his word to resign in the autumn.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Jonathan said:

    Just a reminder Boris Johnson is still control of our nuclear weapons.

    War with Russia is an out for Boris. I wouldn’t put it past him.
    Surely there are safeguards to prevent Trident being used for solely narrow political purposes?
    It's obviously all irrelevant now, but yes.

    This point was made similarly with Trump - Presidents and PMs have the "nuclear codes" but all they do is authorise action. All the stuff about the boss hitting a red button directly connected to a launch timer is just Hollywood fantasy. The codes are simply an administrative step - a necessary and important one, but not a sufficient one.
    It’s obviously not irrelevant if he remains PM til the autumn.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,476
    My song for the day (hopefully):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqXICXpquf8

    You're history
    My enemy
    You're history
    So get on your bike and take a hike right out of here
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,058

    Posted at the end of the last thread, so apologies for repeating:

    Just piping up to say how absolutely brilliant PB is as a site for following unfolding political drama. It's a one-stop shop for everything you need to know, much better than any other source of news. It's not just the quality and variety of the commentary, it's also the links that people post, including to Twitter (which I never look at other than on here). Almost every resignation letter has been linked to here - I wouldn't have read any of them otherwise. So thanks to OGH and all involved.

    I now expect to be banned for sycophancy, but that's a price worth paying.

    Just so long as you don’t say anything about Radiohead being cr……. {no signal}
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,572
    Well, at least we now have something tastier to bet on than council by elections!
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,651

    Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.

    Huh? He resigned because he has no personal mandate and nobody would join his cabinet.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.

    Fraser Nelson R4 recons short list of 2 by end of next week - out to party members on possibly an accelerated timetable so it’s done well before Autumn.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,397

    The delay is unacceptable.

    He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.

    Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.

    This is also what Cummings is saying on Twitter
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,606
    So as the Tories try to find their Alec Douglas Home, they are going to leave a lying untrustworthy shit in power for three months? Really?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    That giant barrage you can hear? That's Labour and LibDem and SNP foxes being shot!

    No it's the Tory party circular firing squad.
    Indeed. There’s a lot of Tory glee today. What the poor wee souls don’t understand is that their Wilderness Years haven’t even started yet.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    Blim. Min. Heck.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    edited July 2022
    Well done Rishi and Javid. Surely the only two eligible cabinet ministers.

    Edit* There's a Brexit loony on TV whose name I've forgotten who has put his hat into the ring. (Steve Baker) and the even bigger loony Braverman)
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,123

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    That's nothing to do with the constitution -- those are the tory party's rules (written or otherwise). People will get to make a judgement on how impressed they were with the show the tory party put on at the next election :-)

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,058
    If I understand correctly, he is going to resign as Conservative Party leader, not PM.

    This triggers the Conservative leadership election.

    He isn’t resigning as PM - he will do that when the new Conservative leader is chosen.
  • Its all gotten a bit Game of Thrones now. King Robert "Boris" Baratheon who became King himself after leading a rebellion against the mad old order became a debauched monarch who has now been felled by a "hunting accident".

    Who are the players who are jockeying for position now?

    Cersei - Truss
    Littlefinger - Gove
    Varys - Zahawi
    Targaryen - May/Hunt
    Ned Stark - Sunak
    Sandor Clegane - Patel
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Now PM has finally done the decent thing he needs to hand in the seals of office, apologise to Her Majesty, allow her to appoint a Caretaker under whom Ministers can serve, so the Conservative Party can choose a new leader properly.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1544961865146662913
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,297
    He can't stay on - even for 3 months. Get an interim in. Mrs May, for the LoLs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,058

    Its all gotten a bit Game of Thrones now. King Robert "Boris" Baratheon who became King himself after leading a rebellion against the mad old order became a debauched monarch who has now been felled by a "hunting accident".

    Who are the players who are jockeying for position now?

    Cersei - Truss
    Littlefinger - Gove
    Varys - Zahawi
    Targaryen - May/Hunt
    Ned Stark - Sunak
    Sandor Clegane - Patel

    The Mountain - Raab
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.

    Fraser Nelson R4 recons short list of 2 by end of next week - out to party members on possibly an accelerated timetable so it’s done well before Autumn.
    Mmm.
    Decide in haste.
    The Tory Party needs to decide what it is for.
    They are desperate not to have that debate.
  • Sandpit said:

    The famous men in grey suits finally got to him, with the whisky and revolver.

    Not before, as forecast, he downed the whisky and turned the revolver on Gove.
  • Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd rather see him escorted out of Downing Street today than trust him to keep his word to resign in the autumn.

    Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean Johnson can be trusted!

    I agree. It's unlikely, but not inconceivable, that Johnson will seek to remain on a pretext (e.g. escalation in Ukraine).

    He is being removed due to his personal misconduct and unsuitability (contrast May, who was unable to progress the key policy issue of the day but who was perfectly capable of acting as PM for an interim period). He also doesn't have a Government as such.

    The right thing to do is for someone senior who doesn't intend to stand for the leadership to step in on an interim basis. Much though I dislike Raab, as DPM and ex-Foreign Secretary he is a qualified person (assuming he's not throwing his own hat in the ring).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Cyclefree said:

    He can't stay on - even for 3 months. Get an interim in. Mrs May, for the LoLs.

    September - is just seven weeks away. Sadly
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    Leon said:

    Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.

    Yes. The idea that we are in “a national crisis” - claimed by others on the prior thread - is absurd and insulting

    Sri Lanka is in a crisis. Ukraine is in a crisis. Even America is in more of a political crisis

    The UK’s quaint yet effective “constitution” has got rid of a prime minister within about 36 hours of it becoming obvious he had lost his party

    That’s how it is meant to work. The man from the 1922 goes into Number 10 and comes out with a scalp. And so it is

    36 hours! Other countries must envy our athletic turn of speed

    We face many problems, but the constitution is not one of them
    You don't want to codify a constitution on something like this. Once you do that - off to the courts the PM may be able to head. Now I know we all broadly trust our judges now, but one look at SCOTUS shows how politicised a "constitution" can become.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.

    Yes. The idea that we are in “a national crisis” - claimed by others on the prior thread - is absurd and insulting

    Sri Lanka is in a crisis. Ukraine is in a crisis. Even America is in more of a political crisis

    The UK’s quaint yet effective “constitution” has got rid of a prime minister within about 36 hours of it becoming obvious he had lost his party

    That’s how it is meant to work. The man from the 1922 goes into Number 10 and comes out with a scalp. And so it is

    36 hours! Other countries must envy our nimble turn of speed

    We face many problems, but the constitution is not one of them
    Indeed. We came close to a national crisis in late 2018 and early 2019, when Parliament couldn’t pass anything for months on end, but the PM resigning within days of having lost his party isn’t that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,058
    Leon said:

    Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.

    Yes. The idea that we are in “a national crisis” - claimed by others on the prior thread - is absurd and insulting

    Sri Lanka is in a crisis. Ukraine is in a crisis. Even America is in more of a political crisis

    The UK’s quaint yet effective “constitution” has got rid of a prime minister within about 36 hours of it becoming obvious he had lost his party

    That’s how it is meant to work. The man from the 1922 goes into Number 10 and comes out with a scalp. And so it is

    36 hours! Other countries must envy our athletic turn of speed

    We face many problems, but the constitution is not one of them
    Most constitutional reformers want an elected President. How would you remove one of those quickly?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,615

    Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd rather see him escorted out of Downing Street today than trust him to keep his word to resign in the autumn.

    Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean Johnson can be trusted!

    I agree. It's unlikely, but not inconceivable, that Johnson will seek to remain on a pretext (e.g. escalation in Ukraine).

    He is being removed due to his personal misconduct and unsuitability (contrast May, who was unable to progress the key policy issue of the day but who was perfectly capable of acting as PM for an interim period). He also doesn't have a Government as such.

    The right thing to do is for someone senior who doesn't intend to stand for the leadership to step in on an interim basis. Much though I dislike Raab, as DPM and ex-Foreign Secretary he is a qualified person (assuming he's not throwing his own hat in the ring).
    This. Yes. Absolutely.

    Anyone who thinks Johnson remaining as PM wont mean him spending every waking minute trying to find a way to extended that time in No 10 by hook or crook or engineering early election somehow has not been awake these last few months.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,297

    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.

    Agreed. Get an interim leader in.

    Boris simply cannot be trusted to be PM for another 3 hours let alone 3 months.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,848
    edited July 2022
    Pulpstar said:

    (Not yet resigned) ministers and cabinet will stay on with Boris whilst a new leader is sorted.
    Wallace has basically laid out the boiler plate templte they'll all come out with on twitter after Boris announces his resignation pending a new leader.

    You're surely not telling me they will resign, get their redundancy payoff, and then resume office? As if nothing had happened.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835

    Selebian said:

    Rejoice!

    The unflushable turd has been flushed! :smile:

    Let's hope we don't find there's another one floating to the top...
    The colon formerly known as the Conservative Party will no doubt be squeezing out another prime specimen shortly.
    Leadership procedure:

    1. Hard right wing nut job will find enough MP support to make run off
    2. Bidding war over hardest Brexit and lowest taxes possible
    3. Demented elderly membership picks hard right wing nut job
    4. Socioeconomic collapse. Scenes
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,606
    It’s going to be Truss isn’t it?
  • mwjfrome17mwjfrome17 Posts: 158
    We cannot leave him as PM with all the power of patronage at his disposal for any period of time - too much opportunity to line his pockets
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,773

    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.

    Fraser Nelson R4 recons short list of 2 by end of next week - out to party members on possibly an accelerated timetable so it’s done well before Autumn.
    Yes, as when Theresa May took over from David Cameron who had also expected the leadership contest to last until conference.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Steve Baker on GB News, says he’s seriously thinking of throwing his hat into the ring.
  • If I understand correctly, he is going to resign as Conservative Party leader, not PM.

    This triggers the Conservative leadership election.

    He isn’t resigning as PM - he will do that when the new Conservative leader is chosen.

    Correction - he SAYS he will do that when a new Conservative leader is chosen.

    The disconnect between what Johnson says and reality is, I'm afraid, always going to be the issue.
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 288
    Raab printing at 5 odd with another 500 on the bid. Boris has agreed his deal with Boris I suspect.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Leon said:

    Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.

    Yes. The idea that we are in “a national crisis” - claimed by others on the prior thread - is absurd and insulting

    Sri Lanka is in a crisis. Ukraine is in a crisis. Even America is in more of a political crisis

    The UK’s quaint yet effective “constitution” has got rid of a prime minister within about 36 hours of it becoming obvious he had lost his party

    That’s how it is meant to work. The man from the 1922 goes into Number 10 and comes out with a scalp. And so it is

    36 hours! Other countries must envy our athletic turn of speed

    We face many problems, but the constitution is not one of them
    We haven't got rid of the PM. He's still there. Meanwhile there's no Security Minister to authorise MI5 surveillance of potential terrorists. No ministers at the DfE.

    This is not our system working. MPs should still hold a Commons vote of no confidence to pry him out of Number Ten and put someone immediately in his place - interim or permanent.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,397
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Agreed with TSE, hurrah for our unwritten constitution!

    Our unwritten constitution has bloodlessly, peacefully and rapidly led to the fall of the PM - despite the written rules claiming he was safe for 12 months.

    Long may our unwritten constitution continue. Nimble agility of Parliament doing what it has to do is better than sclerotic, inevitably archaic "rules" being put in place that can be abused by whoever is in charge of the rules.

    Yes. The idea that we are in “a national crisis” - claimed by others on the prior thread - is absurd and insulting

    Sri Lanka is in a crisis. Ukraine is in a crisis. Even America is in more of a political crisis

    The UK’s quaint yet effective “constitution” has got rid of a prime minister within about 36 hours of it becoming obvious he had lost his party

    That’s how it is meant to work. The man from the 1922 goes into Number 10 and comes out with a scalp. And so it is

    36 hours! Other countries must envy our nimble turn of speed

    We face many problems, but the constitution is not one of them
    Indeed. We came close to a national crisis in late 2018 and early 2019, when Parliament couldn’t pass anything for months on end, but the PM resigning within days of having lost his party isn’t that.
    People tend to get lost in the drama of unfolding events and lose the big picture.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Black Wednesday took place in 1992, but was far from forgotten in 1997. Similarly, the events of the last 48 hours will be remembered at the next election. The Conservative Party foisted a wholly unsuitable and unfit PM on us, with potentially disastrous consequences. That’s unforgivable.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,773
    Lots of punters will be checking the small print on the Boris to be PM at conference markets.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,922
    Jonathan said:

    So as the Tories try to find their Alec Douglas Home, they are going to leave a lying untrustworthy shit in power for three months? Really?

    Well, they didn’t seem to object to the lying, untrustworthy shit being in power for several years, so..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    Sandpit said:

    Steve Baker on GB News, says he’s seriously thinking of throwing his hat into the ring.

    I'd collect £1000 in actual notes from Hills if that happened.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    He really has turned it into a circus. The loony tunes are up early. The first two candidates are Braverman and Baker!

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,058

    Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd rather see him escorted out of Downing Street today than trust him to keep his word to resign in the autumn.

    Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean Johnson can be trusted!

    I agree. It's unlikely, but not inconceivable, that Johnson will seek to remain on a pretext (e.g. escalation in Ukraine).

    He is being removed due to his personal misconduct and unsuitability (contrast May, who was unable to progress the key policy issue of the day but who was perfectly capable of acting as PM for an interim period). He also doesn't have a Government as such.

    The right thing to do is for someone senior who doesn't intend to stand for the leadership to step in on an interim basis. Much though I dislike Raab, as DPM and ex-Foreign Secretary he is a qualified person (assuming he's not throwing his own hat in the ring).
    +1
  • Cyclefree said:

    He can't stay on - even for 3 months. Get an interim in. Mrs May, for the LoLs.

    Let him overtake her duration as PM, then bring her back to overtake him again
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,753
    Mr. Ranter, aye, the treacherous oaf is clinging on.

    Time to stamp on his fingers and be shot of him.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Scott_xP said:

    Thoughts and prayers with Nicola Sturgeon at this difficult time. https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1544958047281418241

    That assumes that his replacement will be less unpopular in Scotland. Big assumption.

    You might think that Johnson’s -60s favourability ratings in Scotland are exceptional. They’re not. May and Cameron were similarly unpopular.

    In fact, there’s a few names on the Tory list that might even plumb new depths.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Hoyle has agreed to two urgent questions:

    Urgent question
    To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office if he will make a statement on the functioning of Government - Angela Rayner

    Urgent question
    To ask the Home Secretary to make a statement on the national security implications, following the Salisbury attack, of the then Foreign Secretary’s private meeting with Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB officer - Yvette Cooper


    https://www.parliament.uk/business/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Has Pincher resigned his seat yet? His notorious night out was only 7 (8?) days ago. We've all done some reprehensible things when pissed but few of us have managed to simultaneously leave ourselves open to serious criminal sanction and bring down a government.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    That giant barrage you can hear? That's Labour and LibDem and SNP foxes being shot!

    No it's the Tory party circular firing squad.
    Indeed. There’s a lot of Tory glee today. What the poor wee souls don’t understand is that their Wilderness Years haven’t even started yet.
    I honestly don't think they will care. The general expectation in life for conservatives is that people are honest, work hard and play by the rules to get ahead. Brexit allowed Boris to become leader when as Gove told us years ago he was unfit. Not following the rules and sending out ministers to lie repeatedly seems to have been the last straw moreso than partygate. Whilst Boris set the culture the Civil Servants and police should have stopped it all too. It is the financial impropriety (treehouse, wallpaper) moral standards (rumours of sexual activity in HoC, Pinchergate) and general truth telling that have really hurt. The writing was on the wall for me when instead of taking the huge vote against him as a reproach, he came out and said that he couldn't change, and for me the final nail was his criticism of those who had been sent out to lie for him saying they misunderstood and got it wrong.

    I think we will see a weight lifted off as politicians are able to return to doing what they normally do
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    It’s perfectly sensible for Boris to remain in post until the new leader is appointed. No need to add further disruption with an interim PM.

    ===

    It's f*cking nuts imho.

    It will end in another disaster of some description.

    Of course it will. That’s baked in.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,454
    He’s also bloody lazy so the thought of requiring him to react to major issues when he’s on his way out is worrying.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    dixiedean said:

    I broke the news of the PM resigning on PB!!!
    You have no idea how satisfied that has made me!

    Heard it on R4 before you posted. Sorry, close, but no cigar.
  • Cyclefree said:

    He can't stay on - even for 3 months. Get an interim in. Mrs May, for the LoLs.

    Let him overtake her duration as PM, then bring her back to overtake him again
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,805


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    It’s perfectly sensible for Boris to remain in post until the new leader is appointed. No need to add further disruption with an interim PM.

    ===

    It's f*cking nuts imho.

    It will end in another disaster of some description.

    Hang on, last week people were saying Boris "might" break protocol by resigning without a replacement causing chaos, now they are criticising him for waiting for the replacement?

    This one is not his fault. Everyone elses fault for appointing the narcissist in the first place.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    Parody Boris
    @Parody_PM
    ·
    1m
    EMPLOYMENT WANTED: An experienced former Prime Minister seeks a new challenge. Skills include lying, shagging other people’s wives and being a lazy twat. Benefits must include free curtains, free holidays and a bullet proof tree house.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    DougSeal said:

    Has Pincher resigned his seat yet? His notorious night out was only 7 (8?) days ago. We've all done some reprehensible things when pissed but few of us have managed to simultaneously leave ourselves open to serious criminal sanction and bring down a government.

    It'll be a Tory hold now Boris is on his way out I think.

  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    It’s perfectly sensible for Boris to remain in post until the new leader is appointed. No need to add further disruption with an interim PM.

    ===

    It's f*cking nuts imho.

    It will end in another disaster of some description.

    Nah, he's finished, he's a powerless hollow shell of a man now.

    The second Theresa May said she was going to go and the leadership contest began, that was it, her time was over even if she kept the seat warm until her replacement was found.

    Once he says he's going he loses all authority. The people who left office can return to it "out of a sense of duty" (though dealing with the Chancellor issue is going to be interesting) and the leadership contest can begin.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,572
    Jonathan said:

    It’s going to be Truss isn’t it?

    She would like to think so. Morduant or Wallace seems more plausible. I wouldn't put it past a hardliner like Barclay making the final two.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,922

    Scott_xP said:

    Thoughts and prayers with Nicola Sturgeon at this difficult time. https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1544958047281418241

    That assumes that his replacement will be less unpopular in Scotland. Big assumption.

    You might think that Johnson’s -60s favourability ratings in Scotland are exceptional. They’re not. May and Cameron were similarly unpopular.

    In fact, there’s a few names on the Tory list that might even plumb new depths.
    The efforts of the new custodian of the sewage farm known as the BJ party to pretend that they don’t smell of shit are going to be a hoot.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,476
    dixiedean said:

    I broke the news of the PM resigning on PB!!!
    You have no idea how satisfied that has made me!

    Many moons ago, I was on a BBS when news came in that John Smith had died. There was a lot of joking and untrue stories posted on the BBS, and I just went: "Yeah, right."

    Sadly, he had.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    That giant barrage you can hear? That's Labour and LibDem and SNP foxes being shot!

    No it's the Tory party circular firing squad.
    Indeed. There’s a lot of Tory glee today. What the poor wee souls don’t understand is that their Wilderness Years haven’t even started yet.
    I honestly don't think they will care. The general expectation in life for conservatives is that people are honest, work hard and play by the rules to get ahead. Brexit allowed Boris to become leader when as Gove told us years ago he was unfit. Not following the rules and sending out ministers to lie repeatedly seems to have been the last straw moreso than partygate. Whilst Boris set the culture the Civil Servants and police should have stopped it all too. It is the financial impropriety (treehouse, wallpaper) moral standards (rumours of sexual activity in HoC, Pinchergate) and general truth telling that have really hurt. The writing was on the wall for me when instead of taking the huge vote against him as a reproach, he came out and said that he couldn't change, and for me the final nail was his criticism of those who had been sent out to lie for him saying they misunderstood and got it wrong.

    I think we will see a weight lifted off as politicians are able to return to doing what they normally do
    Tories being Tories?
    That’s certainly going to keep them in the teens in Scotland.
    What the Tories really need is to stop acting like Tories.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,572
    Cyclefree said:

    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.

    Fraser Nelson R4 recons short list of 2 by end of next week - out to party members on possibly an accelerated timetable so it’s done well before Autumn.
    The party members should have no say in the leadership.

    We are a Parliamentary democracy. It is the MPs who choose and who give confidence to a leader - and they need to choose the best person to lead the country. They need have a regard for all their voters not the limited few who are party members.

    A tiny group of unrepresentative voters inflicted this twit on us before. They inflicted Corbyn on us. They should never again be allowed to do so.

    Absolutely correct.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    DougSeal said:

    Has Pincher resigned his seat yet? His notorious night out was only 7 (8?) days ago. We've all done some reprehensible things when pissed but few of us have managed to simultaneously leave ourselves open to serious criminal sanction and bring down a government.

    He was relatively anonymous at Uni.
    One of the last I'd have picked. Only a few days since I remembered him. Didn't know he'd even made MP. He'll be remembered as a curious footnote.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    DougSeal said:

    Has Pincher resigned his seat yet? His notorious night out was only 7 (8?) days ago. We've all done some reprehensible things when pissed but few of us have managed to simultaneously leave ourselves open to serious criminal sanction and bring down a government.

    Yes, that’s some hangover!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,805
    Sandpit said:

    I just spoke to one person sad about Boris resigning - my Ukranian wife.

    Let’s all hope that, whatever happens in Westminster, the focus on that country isn’t lost.

    He still has close to 30% support, 15-20% fairly strong support. They might be quiet on pb but it is not hard to find fans.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    EYE TOLLED EWE SEW

    Hartlepool peak Boris, I said

    Toast, I said

    If all my toast bets had been toast by end 22 bets I would be the richest man on PB. Lesson about greed and impatience there.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,606
    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    It’s going to be Truss isn’t it?

    She would like to think so. Morduant or Wallace seems more plausible. I wouldn't put it past a hardliner like Barclay making the final two.
    It will be a Thatcherite vs. a conservative Cameroon. Truss is in pole position on the right. The other one, who will be the runner up is less certain.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Steve Baker on GB News, says he’s seriously thinking of throwing his hat into the ring.

    I'd collect £1000 in actual notes from Hills if that happened.
    You have a bet on a hat throwing competition WOW
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,572


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    It’s perfectly sensible for Boris to remain in post until the new leader is appointed. No need to add further disruption with an interim PM.

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    It's f*cking nuts imho.

    It will end in another disaster of some description.

    Nah, he's finished, he's a powerless hollow shell of a man now.

    The second Theresa May said she was going to go and the leadership contest began, that was it, her time was over even if she kept the seat warm until her replacement was found.

    Once he says he's going he loses all authority. The people who left office can return to it "out of a sense of duty" (though dealing with the Chancellor issue is going to be interesting) and the leadership contest can begin.
    Well, education is free again, for a return to status quo ante.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,936
    Pulpstar said:

    (Not yet resigned) ministers and cabinet will stay on with Boris whilst a new leader is sorted.
    Wallace has basically laid out the boiler plate templte they'll all come out with on twitter after Boris announces his resignation pending a new leader.

    By clinging on for so long, though, he has left considerable chaos in government.

    Resigned ministers can't just pick up where they left off - and the process of appointing replacements should surely not be left to the deluded zombie PM ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759

    I think it’s highly dangerous leaving him as PM. A full leadership contest could and will take months.

    Who is going to serve in the cabinet?
    Half the positions are vacant.

    Surely all Ministers who resigned in the last 48 hours will be invited to return to their posts and carry on pending the new leadership and the new government. Bit tricky for Zahawi though. And I don't fancy Gove's chances.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    Sandpit said:

    I just spoke to one person sad about Boris resigning - my Ukranian wife.

    Let’s all hope that, whatever happens in Westminster, the focus on that country isn’t lost.

    He still has close to 30% support, 15-20% fairly strong support. They might be quiet on pb but it is not hard to find fans.
    I was in that small group - until a day or two ago.
  • dixiedean said:

    I broke the news of the PM resigning on PB!!!
    You have no idea how satisfied that has made me!

    Many moons ago, I was on a BBS when news came in that John Smith had died. There was a lot of joking and untrue stories posted on the BBS, and I just went: "Yeah, right."

    Sadly, he had.
    Sadly a natural reaction to a shock like that.

    I remember going to school to be told that a Year 12 pupil, who was a prefect and RSM of the Cadets in the school, had died. I thought it was a very bad joke, only to then be told no, seriously, he had. He'd taken his parents car keys and crashed it into a tree. 😢
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