The precedent? Gordon Brown. Realised he was a barrier and voluntarily resigned as party leader. But expected he would continue as PM. As that quickly became not just untenable but laughable he had to make another statement that he was going. Before it went dark.
That's not a valid precedent because when Brown left it was clear who would take over.
Do you really image the theatre of someone going to the palace to be asked to form a caretaker government?
The Deputy Prime Minister. Or if he recuses himself because he wants the job permanently, then we are back to the men in grey suits making a recommendation to the monarch. As they always used to do.
It's worth recalling that when Corbyn finally went there was a widespread belief that Labour members, many of them at that time Corbynites, would plump for his anointed successor, Rebecca Long-Bailey. In fact they went for the dull option, Starmer, with pragmatism trumping ideology. Tory members may act similarly. (I don't mean they'll go for Starmer, of course).
Tony Blair's memoir sold 220,000 copies in its first seven weeks
People CLEARLY wanted to read it, and they went out and bought it. I bet quite a few of those were Blair haters who wanted to see how he justified Iraq
To my mind Boris has easily a good a story to tell as Blair, so he could do as well, or better. But let's say his story is less interesting (how?). Let's try Gordon Brown, one of the dullest men in history. His memoirs sold just 22,000. Pitiful. But he's boring, so there you go, and Blair got there first with the juicy stuff (as did Al Campbell)
@Heathener is literally predicting that Boris Johnson will sell a quarter of the copies that Gordon Brown sold. Like I said, a delusion born of blind hatred
He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.
Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.
On Leon's point about history being kinder to him than PB, that is possible, in relation to some big policy matters (others will disagree), but his personal standards will not be treated kindly, and in any case in the moment of being forced out few will be thinking about reflecting on positives
First up, no one these days reads political memoirs. Nor do they any longer have an interest in reading books by sad old white male sexual predators. Appetites have changed. He may get a decent advance but the publishers won't earn out the advance in sales.
Second, history will not be kinder to him on the bigger issues. Leon says this because of his obsession with Brexit, after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box and with all the tedious zealotry that brings. For most of the rest of us it's obvious Brexit is a massive cock-up that is going to take years to sort out properly. The NI protocol is one example of Boris bodging Brexit in a disastrous fashion. He never thought it through properly because he didn't care about it. He was never a Brexiteer. He chose Brexit to become King of the World. Nothing more.
Other big issues? The initial vaccine rollout was a success but on most other counts our handling of covid has been another cock-up, from the ridiculously lax opening (Cheltenham and Bath Half ffs) to the over-reaction the other way with ludicrously over-tight lockdowns and pernicious policing. That Big Brother state then extended into horrendous legislature further restricting our freedoms. Except for himself, obvs.
He is a shit. The vilest prime minister of any of our lifetimes. He deserves a category of worst prime ministers all to himself. The others, however poor, don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as this wicked clown.
He dragged down his party. He dragged downthis country.
His memoirs will sell heavily internationally, Brexit is now bedded in as a fact of life, and whether you agree or not the public think the vaccine rollout out went very well. The short hand history of Boris will read “did what he said he’d do on Brexit, and managed Covid well, but was undone by his personal weaknesses”..
Any memoirs may get large advances from the publishers, but will be in the remainder boxes within months. No one wants to read over Covid either, except a few public health people trying to formulate lessons, and they will want facts not Johnsonion bluster.
You're wrong. I rarely read memoirs but I will certainly read Boris' - not because of the man but because of everything he witnessed, and often personally decided. He's not James Joyce, but he can write well, which is a significant advantage
eg Covid. I really do want to know who decided what and when. I want the gory details. We were locked down for months. Who was pro, who was anti. And what was it like for him nearly dying? That's a chapter right there
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it will sell very nicely. It is an incredible story. Those who hate Boris will never buy it. They will secretly steal it from friends and guiltily read it at 2am, while scowling with anger
Oh Boris has precisely zero to worry about in his post premiership. The public speech circuit in the states beckons, the book will sell, in time he might even pop up and do a couple of TV shows again. He’ll go back to his buffoonery and weird private life, and in time I hate to say this to PB but the public (or at least those of a centre right persuasion) will forgive him everything: because he is Boris, and he tried, and he got Brexit done, and he is our loveable buffoon even if he did make a bit of a hash of some things. Just my thoughts.
I'm struggling to think of who would want to hire Boris as a speaker. Surely the type of people who attend such events would regard it as a kind of veiled insult.
Dunno. I can imagine lots of people loving the opportunity to heckle Johnson, and there will always be a few enraptured true believers.
Wrt the Boris book 'debate', it'll easily sell 5,000 copies, and almost certainly do that number 10 times over. You'd have to be on crack to think otherwise.
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Don't be bitter, although we know today is difficult for you. I have backed Steve Baker and I rate him highly as someone who has integrity and is intellectually coherent. I couldn't care less if I disagree with him on Brexit as he is someone who is trustworthy.
Patel, Braverman I don't rate but that's politics.
Truss I don't mind at all. Same with Mordaunt, Hunt (although I don't think he's anywhere close to being eligible for the membership).
You are missing the point about Boris. He is a lying, solipsistic scumbag. And of course you feel bad because he fooled you and made a fool of you but you shouldn't feel too upset. He did exactly the same to many a Minister sent out to bat for him.
"The book of my enemy has been remaindered And I am pleased. In vast quantities it has been remaindered. Like a van-load of counterfeit that has been seized And sits in piles in a police warehouse, My enemy’s much-praised efforts sits in piles In the kind of bookshop where remaindering occurs. Great, square stacks of rejected books and, between them, aisles One passes down reflecting on life’s vanities, Pausing to remember all those thoughtful reviews Lavished to no avail up one’s enemy’s book – For behold, here is that book Among these ranks and banks of duds, These ponderous and seemingly irreducible cairns Of complete stiff"
Within 48 hours of the cheque for the book/TV advance landing in his bank account.
Right now he’s a pauper, and no-one wants to divorce a pauper.
Surely it wouldn’t make any difference as if his financial circumstances changed dramatically she would have the right to demand more money - especially as mother to some of his children.
You never know, she might stay with him and benefit from some of the favours owed to him by corporations or foundations as they might not want a loose cannon but they need to repay him…..
Pippa Crerar @PippaCrerar · 12m NEW: Foreign Sec Liz Truss - and would-be Tory leadership candidate - is cutting short her trip to Indonesia and will be making a statement shortly.
'I am standing on a platform of going to war on Woke, delivering a Brexit so hard it will give members the horn, sending Putin back to Moscow with his tail between his legs and slashing the state back so small it would fit in my bath plug!'
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
The Wallace bandwagon seems to be building steam.
Let’s say it goes to Truss v Wallace as the final two. Wallace wins the MPs convincingly. Truss stands aside having been promised her dream job of being first female CoE, also positioning herself well for leading the party if Wallace loses the next election.
I can see this being highly plausible.
I agree that Wallace seems popular. Personally I find him totally useless. He hasn't even successfully defended his department from cuts. He got pranked by Russian DJ's pretending to be Zelensky on the phone to him. He uses words like 'bollocks' as part of his comms - inarticulate. And he's bald as a coot and looks like a sack of spuds. He's got 'long grinding spell in opposition' written all over him. But there is momentum behind him.
He'll lead the Conservatives to a respectable loss at the next GE, which currently would sound quite good to a lot of MPs.
Tony Blair's memoir sold 220,000 copies in its first seven weeks
People CLEARLY wanted to read it, and they went out and bought it. I bet quite a few of those were Blair haters who wanted to see how he justified Iraq
To my mind Boris has easily a good a story to tell as Blair, so he could do as well, or better. But let's say his story is less interesting (how?). Let's try Gordon Brown, one of the dullest men in history. His memoirs sold just 22,000. Pitiful. But he's boring, so there you go, and Blair got there first with the juicy stuff (as did Al Campbell)
@Heathener is literally predicting that Boris Johnson will sell a quarter of the copies that Gordon Brown sold. Like I said, a delusion born of blind hatred
Even I have a copy of Blair's book even though I hated him. Thankfully I never got to the bit where he describes his love life with Chery.
That was then, this is now.
The appetite for books of this nature, as well as huge advances, died a death a decade ago.
Trust me on this. Political memoirs no longer sell.
I'll leave it there. I have a son to run to a party. Long school holidays. A penalty of both private education and champagne socialism.
You're forgetting America. There's at least 5000 Republican apparatchiks who will read the thing and all the think tanks and consulting firms who'll want a copy for the shelves.
I see that, yesterday, the G20 in Indonesia* was too vital for Liz Truss to dirty her hands with domestic political matters. Now she's on the first flight back.
Major's wisdom teeth say hello.
* "Jakarta?" "No, she was only too keen to make herself uncontactable for 24 hours".
He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.
Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.
On Leon's point about history being kinder to him than PB, that is possible, in relation to some big policy matters (others will disagree), but his personal standards will not be treated kindly, and in any case in the moment of being forced out few will be thinking about reflecting on positives
First up, no one these days reads political memoirs. Nor do they any longer have an interest in reading books by sad old white male sexual predators. Appetites have changed. He may get a decent advance but the publishers won't earn out the advance in sales.
Second, history will not be kinder to him on the bigger issues. Leon says this because of his obsession with Brexit, after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box and with all the tedious zealotry that brings. For most of the rest of us it's obvious Brexit is a massive cock-up that is going to take years to sort out properly. The NI protocol is one example of Boris bodging Brexit in a disastrous fashion. He never thought it through properly because he didn't care about it. He was never a Brexiteer. He chose Brexit to become King of the World. Nothing more.
Other big issues? The initial vaccine rollout was a success but on most other counts our handling of covid has been another cock-up, from the ridiculously lax opening (Cheltenham and Bath Half ffs) to the over-reaction the other way with ludicrously over-tight lockdowns and pernicious policing. That Big Brother state then extended into horrendous legislature further restricting our freedoms. Except for himself, obvs.
He is a shit. The vilest prime minister of any of our lifetimes. He deserves a category of worst prime ministers all to himself. The others, however poor, don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as this wicked clown.
He dragged down his party. He dragged downthis country.
His memoirs will sell heavily internationally, Brexit is now bedded in as a fact of life, and whether you agree or not the public think the vaccine rollout out went very well. The short hand history of Boris will read “did what he said he’d do on Brexit, and managed Covid well, but was undone by his personal weaknesses”..
Any memoirs may get large advances from the publishers, but will be in the remainder boxes within months. No one wants to read over Covid either, except a few public health people trying to formulate lessons, and they will want facts not Johnsonion bluster.
You're wrong. I rarely read memoirs but I will certainly read Boris' - not because of the man but because of everything he witnessed, and often personally decided. He's not James Joyce, but he can write well, which is a significant advantage
eg Covid. I really do want to know who decided what and when. I want the gory details. We were locked down for months. Who was pro, who was anti. And what was it like for him nearly dying? That's a chapter right there
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it will sell very nicely. It is an incredible story. Those who hate Boris will never buy it. They will secretly steal it from friends and guiltily read it at 2am, while scowling with anger
Except you won't be able to believe a bloody word of it.
I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.
Honestly absolutely delighted. The third good news I have heard today after Johnson's resignation and my daughter getting a 1st in her degree.
Wrt the Boris book 'debate', it'll easily sell 5,000 copies, and almost certainly do that number 10 times over. You'd have to be on crack to think otherwise.
You are saying @Heathener is on cracK? As well as champagne? It explains things
If you're going to bet on book sales, you need to set a cutoff date by which time the low-sales side wins if there's no book published at all.
It's the only way you'll actually win the bet.
We've agreed. A year from the publication of the paperback (or the hardback if there is no PB)
Boris will sell 5,000 in the first WEEK. It will be a major story in and of itself
What if there's no book at all, though?
Bet voided, of course
Edit: as I see what you mean, yes that's a point. Perhaps 10 years after he leaves Number 10? An absurdly long time, but then I very much doubt it will take that long. Boris will want to exploit his fame ASAP. We can expect it in the next 2-3 years
He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.
Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.
On Leon's point about history being kinder to him than PB, that is possible, in relation to some big policy matters (others will disagree), but his personal standards will not be treated kindly, and in any case in the moment of being forced out few will be thinking about reflecting on positives
First up, no one these days reads political memoirs. Nor do they any longer have an interest in reading books by sad old white male sexual predators. Appetites have changed. He may get a decent advance but the publishers won't earn out the advance in sales.
Second, history will not be kinder to him on the bigger issues. Leon says this because of his obsession with Brexit, after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box and with all the tedious zealotry that brings. For most of the rest of us it's obvious Brexit is a massive cock-up that is going to take years to sort out properly. The NI protocol is one example of Boris bodging Brexit in a disastrous fashion. He never thought it through properly because he didn't care about it. He was never a Brexiteer. He chose Brexit to become King of the World. Nothing more.
Other big issues? The initial vaccine rollout was a success but on most other counts our handling of covid has been another cock-up, from the ridiculously lax opening (Cheltenham and Bath Half ffs) to the over-reaction the other way with ludicrously over-tight lockdowns and pernicious policing. That Big Brother state then extended into horrendous legislature further restricting our freedoms. Except for himself, obvs.
He is a shit. The vilest prime minister of any of our lifetimes. He deserves a category of worst prime ministers all to himself. The others, however poor, don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as this wicked clown.
He dragged down his party. He dragged downthis country.
His memoirs will sell heavily internationally, Brexit is now bedded in as a fact of life, and whether you agree or not the public think the vaccine rollout out went very well. The short hand history of Boris will read “did what he said he’d do on Brexit, and managed Covid well, but was undone by his personal weaknesses”..
Any memoirs may get large advances from the publishers, but will be in the remainder boxes within months. No one wants to read over Covid either, except a few public health people trying to formulate lessons, and they will want facts not Johnsonion bluster.
Yep good point - no one bar a very few, Chris Whitty perhaps, will want to read 400 pages about lockdowns.
But it's not gonna be 400 pages is it? Half the book will be Brexit
Covid will get 50 pages? Lockdowns 30? And many people will want to read it, because they want to know who made these brutal decisions, and why
Boris has a gift for self publicity. He will make sure there are juicy revelations throughout the book
Boris believes he saved the world or at least Great Britain (ex-NI) with his actions throughout Covid; it will be more than 50 pages or how will he tell people how masterful his actions were.
All I can see being a revelation is how he fought tooth and nail against Whitty, Van Tam, et al against the regulations. Which would make the book even more depressing in that he didn't succeed, largely.
Surely Johnson will want to do a multi-volume epic?
Volume 1 to take us up to the end of his time as Mayor of London. Volume 2 to cover the Brexit referendum, time as Foreign Secretary, and the "wilderness months" on the backbenches. Volume 3 to cover his tenure as PM: Brexit, GE, Covid, Ukraine, disgraceful lack of loyalty from his MPs.
Yes but volume 3 needs to be published first because that is the commercially attractive one for publishers, the public and film makers alike.
Volume 1 will be how he risked his life escaping from the Bores in the Carlton Club. Volume 2 will be about how he deliberately got very fat and risked his life shaking hands with people on the Covid frontline following the debacle of how he sent thousands to their deaths at a care home called Gallipoli. Volume 3 will be how he won the war against Putin and an ungrateful selectorate kicked him out of office. Volume 4 will be how he had his paintings exhibited in the National Gallery, wrote a series of books called The History of The English Speaking Populists and became voted the greatest Briton of All Time (by himself).
The precedent? Gordon Brown. Realised he was a barrier and voluntarily resigned as party leader. But expected he would continue as PM. As that quickly became not just untenable but laughable he had to make another statement that he was going. Before it went dark.
That's not a valid precedent because when Brown left it was clear who would take over.
Do you really image the theatre of someone going to the palace to be asked to form a caretaker government?
The Deputy Prime Minister. Or if he recuses himself because he wants the job permanently, then we are back to the men in grey suits making a recommendation to the monarch. As they always used to do.
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
This is pathetic, even for your good self.
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
If Johnson resigns today (I'm a bit puzzled over where the boundary between 'announces his resignation' and 'resigns' lies) could we see a new interim PM today? Could these discussions be going on in the background?
I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.
Honestly absolutely delighted. The third good news I have heard today after Johnson's resignation and my daughter getting a 1st in her degree.
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
You really don't get it do you? The hatred of Boris was because he was an immoral liar. I would be much happier with any on your list except for Patel and that would be for the same reason.
Nicola Sturgeon@NicolaSturgeon 2. Boris Johnson was always manifestly unfit to be PM and the Tories should never have elected him leader or sustained him in office for as long as they have. But the problems run much deeper than one individual. The Westminster system is broken.
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
The Wallace bandwagon seems to be building steam.
Let’s say it goes to Truss v Wallace as the final two. Wallace wins the MPs convincingly. Truss stands aside having been promised her dream job of being first female CoE, also positioning herself well for leading the party if Wallace loses the next election.
I can see this being highly plausible.
I agree that Wallace seems popular. Personally I find him totally useless. He hasn't even successfully defended his department from cuts. He got pranked by Russian DJ's pretending to be Zelensky on the phone to him. He uses words like 'bollocks' as part of his comms - inarticulate. And he's bald as a coot and looks like a sack of spuds. He's got 'long grinding spell in opposition' written all over him. But there is momentum behind him.
He's something of a blank slate, which is an advantage when comparing him to the incumbent. If this thing goes as far as hustings, I think his odds will lengthen quickly.
I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.
Delighted to hear it. Mental health is critical - and I know painfully and as recently as Monday what it is like to be sucked into the black pit. So if things get too much take a breath. And then come back. This place is better with you here.
Boris will clear 5000 sales (and the rest in Aus/NZ). He’s an international star with a story that many will want to read. He’ll also get serialised in the Telegraph if he wants to.
Actually that’s a point - place your next PM bets based on the ability of Boris to use his knowledge as PM to sink their chances.
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Don't be bitter, although we know today is difficult for you. I have backed Steve Baker and I rate him highly as someone who has integrity and is intellectually coherent. I couldn't care less if I disagree with him on Brexit as he is someone who is trustworthy.
Patel, Braverman I don't rate but that's politics.
Truss I don't mind at all. Same with Mordaunt, Hunt (although I don't think he's anywhere close to being eligible for the membership).
You are missing the point about Boris. He is a lying, solipsistic scumbag. And of course you feel bad because he fooled you and made a fool of you but you shouldn't feel too upset. He did exactly the same to many a Minister sent out to bat for him.
Only about 99% upset, though: that's about right. The Johnson character was clear more than a generation ago.
That giant barrage you can hear? That's Labour and LibDem and SNP foxes being shot!
No it's the Tory party circular firing squad.
Indeed. There’s a lot of Tory glee today. What the poor wee souls don’t understand is that their Wilderness Years haven’t even started yet.
I honestly don't think they will care. The general expectation in life for conservatives is that people are honest, work hard and play by the rules to get ahead. Brexit allowed Boris to become leader when as Gove told us years ago he was unfit. Not following the rules and sending out ministers to lie repeatedly seems to have been the last straw moreso than partygate. Whilst Boris set the culture the Civil Servants and police should have stopped it all too. It is the financial impropriety (treehouse, wallpaper) moral standards (rumours of sexual activity in HoC, Pinchergate) and general truth telling that have really hurt. The writing was on the wall for me when instead of taking the huge vote against him as a reproach, he came out and said that he couldn't change, and for me the final nail was his criticism of those who had been sent out to lie for him saying they misunderstood and got it wrong.
I think we will see a weight lifted off as politicians are able to return to doing what they normally do
Tories being Tories? That’s certainly going to keep them in the teens in Scotland. What the Tories really need is to stop acting like Tories.
I was in Scotland a couple of weeks ago and was surprised at the vitriol against the Tories. I was with what I can only presume were two not overly political civil servants. They knew every affair every financial transgression of Boris for the last 30 years. They wouldn't believe me when I said that the people who loved Boris were the working class - barbers bricklayers and pub landlords. They honestly thought it was the middle classes that loved Boris.
It is not their class politics which puts Scots off the Tories. To be frank, they are widely considered to be the scum of the earth.
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
Don't be bitter, although we know today is difficult for you. I have backed Steve Baker and I rate him highly as someone who has integrity and is intellectually coherent. I couldn't care less if I disagree with him on Brexit as he is someone who is trustworthy.
Patel, Braverman I don't rate but that's politics.
Truss I don't mind at all. Same with Mordaunt, Hunt (although I don't think he's anywhere close to being eligible for the membership).
You are missing the point about Boris. He is a lying, solipsistic scumbag. And of course you feel bad because he fooled you and made a fool of you but you shouldn't feel too upset. He did exactly the same to many a Minister sent out to bat for him.
Agree on Baker, think he is one to watch and could both make the final two and beat quite a few potential rivals with the membership. One thing that shows his ambition was the Tory MP zoom call when Boris could not chair it for some reason and Baker tried to do so in his place (think a grandee took control in the end).
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
This is pathetic, even for your good self.
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
The answer is obvious. Major, on cricket.
I wouldn't like to be the publisher's lawyer for Mr J's memoirs. Especially with any superinjunction possibly hypothetically imposed by Mr J himself (a further point to bear in mind re any memoirs).
If Johnson resigns today (I'm a bit puzzled over where the boundary between 'announces his resignation' and 'resigns' lies) could we see a new interim PM today? Could these discussions be going on in the background?
They are going on on the radio right now. Nobody thinks he's a suitable caretaker at all.
If Johnson resigns today (I'm a bit puzzled over where the boundary between 'announces his resignation' and 'resigns' lies) could we see a new interim PM today? Could these discussions be going on in the background?
Bloody well hope so! Texted my MP to say well done - now get him out of Downing Street, pronto....
Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
Hoyle - Johnson statement to Press and not to House “not satisfactory” - but as he’s technically resigning as leader of the Conservative Party, isn’t it public not HoC business? Both Cameron & May resigned in front of No.10 not in the HoC.
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
This is pathetic, even for your good self.
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.
Morning folks. Been thinking about this business of Boris staying on until a successor is chosen.
In the normal run of events this would be perfectly reasonably. The outgoing PM might want to complete some cherished projects, start some new ones and ensure a peaceful and smooth transition. Events are far from normal however and Boris certainly isn't.
There is every reason to suspect he will use the time he has left to cover trails, bury bodies, take some revenge and feather his nest as far as possible. He should therefore be led from the premises, never to return.
There is no shortage of candidates suitable to act as an interim.
Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
Good news. That happened to a friend of mine and it turned out to be a mere panic attack. Properly scary tho
What's wrong with HIIT? And what's wrong with your diet?
The next few weeks are going to be wall to floor coverage of the conservative leadership race
Big G - my MP, the Attorney General (believe it or not) has thrown her hat into the ring. What is your opinion of her?
We've had for 3 years a PM who has, to be very charitable indeed, been economical with the truth. Suella is cut from the same cloth - as the article below spells out. It's not just what she's said and done in government but the nonsense, to put it mildly, she has said about her own pre-Parliamentary career.
I see that, yesterday, the G20 in Indonesia* was too vital for Liz Truss to dirty her hands with domestic political matters. Now she's on the first flight back.
Major's wisdom teeth say hello.
* "Jakarta?" "No, she was only too keen to make herself uncontactable for 24 hours".
She's out of the loop while all the manoeuvring and deals are being done. By the time she's back in Britain she will be way off the pace set by other contenders.
If members think Liz Truss is the answer.. god Help us all
I will laugh hysterically if having pushed so hard to get rid of Boris left liberal PBers now end up with Steve Baker, Priti Patel, Liz Truss or Suella Braverman as PM once it gets to the Tory membership.
Boris might end up the moderate PM of this Tory government!!
This is pathetic, even for your good self.
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
HYUFD doesn't understand the concept of morality. Time and time again any question of right and wrong bounces off him and he reflects it because with talking about what's legal or possible. He doesn't understand ethics, he only knows about the exercise of force.
My morality and ethics are not your left liberal morality and ethics and never will be
He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.
Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.
On Leon's point about history being kinder to him than PB, that is possible, in relation to some big policy matters (others will disagree), but his personal standards will not be treated kindly, and in any case in the moment of being forced out few will be thinking about reflecting on positives
First up, no one these days reads political memoirs. Nor do they any longer have an interest in reading books by sad old white male sexual predators. Appetites have changed. He may get a decent advance but the publishers won't earn out the advance in sales.
Second, history will not be kinder to him on the bigger issues. Leon says this because of his obsession with Brexit, after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box and with all the tedious zealotry that brings. For most of the rest of us it's obvious Brexit is a massive cock-up that is going to take years to sort out properly. The NI protocol is one example of Boris bodging Brexit in a disastrous fashion. He never thought it through properly because he didn't care about it. He was never a Brexiteer. He chose Brexit to become King of the World. Nothing more.
Other big issues? The initial vaccine rollout was a success but on most other counts our handling of covid has been another cock-up, from the ridiculously lax opening (Cheltenham and Bath Half ffs) to the over-reaction the other way with ludicrously over-tight lockdowns and pernicious policing. That Big Brother state then extended into horrendous legislature further restricting our freedoms. Except for himself, obvs.
He is a shit. The vilest prime minister of any of our lifetimes. He deserves a category of worst prime ministers all to himself. The others, however poor, don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as this wicked clown.
He dragged down his party. He dragged downthis country.
His memoirs will sell heavily internationally, Brexit is now bedded in as a fact of life, and whether you agree or not the public think the vaccine rollout out went very well. The short hand history of Boris will read “did what he said he’d do on Brexit, and managed Covid well, but was undone by his personal weaknesses”..
Any memoirs may get large advances from the publishers, but will be in the remainder boxes within months. No one wants to read over Covid either, except a few public health people trying to formulate lessons, and they will want facts not Johnsonion bluster.
Yep good point - no one bar a very few, Chris Whitty perhaps, will want to read 400 pages about lockdowns.
But it's not gonna be 400 pages is it? Half the book will be Brexit
Covid will get 50 pages? Lockdowns 30? And many people will want to read it, because they want to know who made these brutal decisions, and why
Boris has a gift for self publicity. He will make sure there are juicy revelations throughout the book
Boris believes he saved the world or at least Great Britain (ex-NI) with his actions throughout Covid; it will be more than 50 pages or how will he tell people how masterful his actions were.
All I can see being a revelation is how he fought tooth and nail against Whitty, Van Tam, et al against the regulations. Which would make the book even more depressing in that he didn't succeed, largely.
Classified as Fiction hopefully
He will probably play into it and start writing novels about Jonas Bronson and his slimy ministers Michael Love, Nadia Delores and Jakob Rhys Evans.
I've got to say I'm still laughing at whoever said yesterday that Rees Mogg was the lamppost in Narnia.
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
Have you heard May speak to a private meeting? From memory she can be sharp & witty, Similarly Major was a lot more entertaining than his grey image would suggest. Johnson’s problem is he only has one speech and will be quickly found out.
Lindsay Hoyle (Speaker) annoyed that Boris's statement will apparently be to television cameras rather than the House.
As much as I like Lindsay Hoyle he needs to get over himself about everything being announced to the House. If he's resigning as Tory leader then it's a party political statement and doesn't need to be made to the House. It's no different to May, or Cameron, or even Blair back in 2007 (who chose his own constituency to do it).
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
The answer is obvious. Major, on cricket.
I wouldn't like to be the publisher's lawyer for Mr J's memoirs. Especially with any superinjunction possibly hypothetically imposed by Mr J himself (a further point to bear in mind re any memoirs).
I find cricket the most tedious game in the world, with the possible exception of golf.
Hoyle - Johnson statement to Press and not to House “not satisfactory” - but as he’s technically resigning as leader of the Conservative Party, isn’t it public not HoC business? Both Cameron & May resigned in front of No.10 not in the HoC.
Yep, presumable the lectern will not have the crest on it, as it's action of him being Tory leader, not being PM?
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I expect Betfair will claim that interim is ambiguous and won't pay out on interim.
Anyone expecting Betfair to religiously stick to what the rules say without any controversy has already forgotten the 2020 election market.
They added "We will settle this market on the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson as published on" after being asked about interim PM. And being reminded about what happened with the Theresa May market.
Hang on. He quit the government yesterday saying Boris had to go.
Boris is going, so mission accomplished.
I don't think he'll have a problem filling his caretaker administration, it's not like he's impossible to work with or anything. The only tricky part was getting sent out to lie for him, and they won't really have to do that any more.
Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
Good news. That happened to a friend of mine and it turned out to be a mere panic attack. Properly scary tho
What's wrong with HIIT? And what's wrong with your diet?
I can't overwork my heart with HIIT, needs to be more gradual but lengthy exercise from now on.
Just got to cut out coffee and reduce added sugar more than anything else but there's always room for improvement.
I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.
Honestly absolutely delighted. The third good news I have heard today after Johnson's resignation and my daughter getting a 1st in her degree.
Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
Good news. That happened to a friend of mine and it turned out to be a mere panic attack. Properly scary tho
What's wrong with HIIT? And what's wrong with your diet?
I'd get everything checked thoroughly and DYOR before you take Doctors advice on diet, or exercise. They're largely pig-ignorant on the subject.
He's untrustworthy and will seek to remain, buggering up the country to try and buy himself a favourable legacy in the meantime.
Get rid of him, PCP, or be shown to be utter fools once again.
On Leon's point about history being kinder to him than PB, that is possible, in relation to some big policy matters (others will disagree), but his personal standards will not be treated kindly, and in any case in the moment of being forced out few will be thinking about reflecting on positives
First up, no one these days reads political memoirs. Nor do they any longer have an interest in reading books by sad old white male sexual predators. Appetites have changed. He may get a decent advance but the publishers won't earn out the advance in sales.
Second, history will not be kinder to him on the bigger issues. Leon says this because of his obsession with Brexit, after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box and with all the tedious zealotry that brings. For most of the rest of us it's obvious Brexit is a massive cock-up that is going to take years to sort out properly. The NI protocol is one example of Boris bodging Brexit in a disastrous fashion. He never thought it through properly because he didn't care about it. He was never a Brexiteer. He chose Brexit to become King of the World. Nothing more.
Other big issues? The initial vaccine rollout was a success but on most other counts our handling of covid has been another cock-up, from the ridiculously lax opening (Cheltenham and Bath Half ffs) to the over-reaction the other way with ludicrously over-tight lockdowns and pernicious policing. That Big Brother state then extended into horrendous legislature further restricting our freedoms. Except for himself, obvs.
He is a shit. The vilest prime minister of any of our lifetimes. He deserves a category of worst prime ministers all to himself. The others, however poor, don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as this wicked clown.
He dragged down his party. He dragged downthis country.
His memoirs will sell heavily internationally, Brexit is now bedded in as a fact of life, and whether you agree or not the public think the vaccine rollout out went very well. The short hand history of Boris will read “did what he said he’d do on Brexit, and managed Covid well, but was undone by his personal weaknesses”..
Any memoirs may get large advances from the publishers, but will be in the remainder boxes within months. No one wants to read over Covid either, except a few public health people trying to formulate lessons, and they will want facts not Johnsonion bluster.
You're wrong. I rarely read memoirs but I will certainly read Boris' - not because of the man but because of everything he witnessed, and often personally decided. He's not James Joyce, but he can write well, which is a significant advantage
eg Covid. I really do want to know who decided what and when. I want the gory details. We were locked down for months. Who was pro, who was anti. And what was it like for him nearly dying? That's a chapter right there
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it will sell very nicely. It is an incredible story. Those who hate Boris will never buy it. They will secretly steal it from friends and guiltily read it at 2am, while scowling with anger
Oh Boris has precisely zero to worry about in his post premiership. The public speech circuit in the states beckons, the book will sell, in time he might even pop up and do a couple of TV shows again. He’ll go back to his buffoonery and weird private life, and in time I hate to say this to PB but the public (or at least those of a centre right persuasion) will forgive him everything: because he is Boris, and he tried, and he got Brexit done, and he is our loveable buffoon even if he did make a bit of a hash of some things. Just my thoughts.
I'm struggling to think of who would want to hire Boris as a speaker. Surely the type of people who attend such events would regard it as a kind of veiled insult.
Dunno. I can imagine lots of people loving the opportunity to heckle Johnson, and there will always be a few enraptured true believers.
Have you read the famous account by someone who was at the same function as Johnson, about his degree of preparation and the content of his talk? (Sorry, don't have the link ...).
Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
Blimey didn't see that - glad that it all seems ok and controllable.
I cut out caffeine a few years ago. I had bad indigestion and, before packing me off to have a tube shoved down my throat, said that 90% of the people who came to him with indigestion were drinking too much caffeine.
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
I think I'd prefer Major. I don't despise him; he was PM long enough back to be of mild historical interest; and if he's predictably boring, then at least has a voice one would be able to doze off to.
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I expect Betfair will claim that interim is ambiguous and won't pay out on interim.
Anyone expecting Betfair to religiously stick to what the rules say without any controversy has already forgotten the 2020 election market.
They added "We will settle this market on the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson as published on" after being asked about interim PM. And being reminded about what happened with the Theresa May market.
Yes and we all remember what the 2020 US election rules said too.
What Betfair choose to do when it happens, and what the rules say, are not necessarily the same thing. Don't count chickens until they're hatched.
I have spent the last day off this website, outside and regrouping. So many kind people have said they would like me to stay, so I will - but I will try my very best to reduce my posting activity as it is best for my mental health at this time.
Thank you for your support.
Welcome back hopefully Boris finally taking the hint will help. Like the earlier poster I find this site to be the best news source on the internet with interesting voices and comments from generally a balance of sources.
Thanks for the kind words on the previous topic everyone!
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
Good news. That happened to a friend of mine and it turned out to be a mere panic attack. Properly scary tho
What's wrong with HIIT? And what's wrong with your diet?
I can't overwork my heart with HIIT, needs to be more gradual but lengthy exercise from now on.
Just got to cut out coffee and reduce added sugar more than anything else but there's always room for improvement.
Oh dear, at least you found it out with nothing more severe. Good luck with adapting and glad you're OK.
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
The answer is obvious. Major, on cricket.
I wouldn't like to be the publisher's lawyer for Mr J's memoirs. Especially with any superinjunction possibly hypothetically imposed by Mr J himself (a further point to bear in mind re any memoirs).
I find cricket the most tedious game in the world, with the possible exception of golf.
Yes, it's like sumo wrestling, only 10 hours instead of 60 seconds long. But speech wise, it's an improvement on the other options!
Comments
https://twitter.com/joeyfjones/status/1544989088972947456
Patel, Braverman I don't rate but that's politics.
Truss I don't mind at all. Same with Mordaunt, Hunt (although I don't think he's anywhere close to being eligible for the membership).
You are missing the point about Boris. He is a lying, solipsistic scumbag. And of course you feel bad because he fooled you and made a fool of you but you shouldn't feel too upset. He did exactly the same to many a Minister sent out to bat for him.
Good luck with that
"The book of my enemy has been remaindered
And I am pleased.
In vast quantities it has been remaindered.
Like a van-load of counterfeit that has been seized
And sits in piles in a police warehouse,
My enemy’s much-praised efforts sits in piles
In the kind of bookshop where remaindering occurs.
Great, square stacks of rejected books and, between them, aisles
One passes down reflecting on life’s vanities,
Pausing to remember all those thoughtful reviews
Lavished to no avail up one’s enemy’s book –
For behold, here is that book
Among these ranks and banks of duds,
These ponderous and seemingly irreducible cairns
Of complete stiff"
My book is screaming:
Come on Tory MPs, put Raab as interim PM.
Or better still, May.
You never know, she might stay with him and benefit from some of the favours owed to him by corporations or foundations as they might not want a loose cannon but they need to repay him…..
Boris will sell 5,000 in the first WEEK. It will be a major story in and of itself
Major's wisdom teeth say hello.
* "Jakarta?" "No, she was only too keen to make herself uncontactable for 24 hours".
Told Kit Malthouse, the policing minister, is about to be announced as Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancaster
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544990371062730752
The insanity continues
Edit: as I see what you mean, yes that's a point. Perhaps 10 years after he leaves Number 10? An absurdly long time, but then I very much doubt it will take that long. Boris will want to exploit his fame ASAP. We can expect it in the next 2-3 years
Volume 2 will be about how he deliberately got very fat and risked his life shaking hands with people on the Covid frontline following the debacle of how he sent thousands to their deaths at a care home called Gallipoli.
Volume 3 will be how he won the war against Putin and an ungrateful selectorate kicked him out of office.
Volume 4 will be how he had his paintings exhibited in the National Gallery, wrote a series of books called The History of The English Speaking Populists and became voted the greatest Briton of All Time (by himself).
So getting him OUT of No. 10 must be job one. Not in six months. In six days if not hours.
Dominic Raab
£121.21
Rishi Sunak.
£97.27
Penny Mordaunt
£86.85
Sajid Javid
£86.85
Jeremy Hunt
-£145.38
Ben Wallace
£6.49
Nadhim Zahawi
£86.85
Liz Truss
£90.73
Tom Tugendhat
£86.85
Steve Baker (+£10 @ 100s)
£86.85
Theresa May
£75.72
Michael Gove
£86.85
Priti Patel
£86.85
Keir Starmer
-£210.74
Suella Braverman
£86.85
Tory MPs have forced him out. Nobody else. Not me or @CorrectHorseBattery and @Scott_xP . Your MPs in your party and nobody else.
And why have Tory MPs forced him out. Because what Boris Johnson has done is fundamentally wrong. *Morally* wrong. Procedurally wrong.
That you - even now - deny this wrongdoing speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of basic principles like right and wrong. I think you described comments like this as "abuse" yesterday. Not abuse - sorrow. As like any Christian -as opposed to the faux hypocrite ones - I will rejoice when you finally repent and recognise reality.
Again you show your lack of moral compass.
Nicola Sturgeon@NicolaSturgeon
2. Boris Johnson was always manifestly unfit to be PM and the Tories should never have elected him leader or sustained him in office for as long as they have. But the problems run much deeper than one individual. The Westminster system is broken.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1544973758707941376
If this thing goes as far as hustings, I think his odds will lengthen quickly.
Actually that’s a point - place your next PM bets based on the ability of Boris to use his knowledge as PM to sink their chances.
A relevant fact is surely that Theresa May earns a £ 110,000 a speech in the US conference circuit. She is basically the dullest & least interesting speaker in the world with a tale of boring underachievement to tell.
So, @Leon is completely correct. There will be tonnes of money for Boris. Memoirs, the talk circuit, books.
Of course, the books will be a pack of lies. No-one wants the truth. People want an unreliable, amusing tale told them. Boris has been delivering that all his life.
Suppose you have to sit through a speech by one of our ex-PMs -- Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May or Johnson.
Which one do you choose?
All the speeches will be highly self-serving -- and at least four of them will be very dull.
Blair's would not be, Johnson's would not be.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/boris-johnson-unfit-to-be-prime-minister
Not you for a start..
I wouldn't like to be the publisher's lawyer for Mr J's memoirs. Especially with any superinjunction possibly hypothetically imposed by Mr J himself (a further point to bear in mind re any memoirs).
TL;DR: there are rules. But, yet again, its based on convention.
https://twitter.com/cath_haddon/status/1544974582196703233
Nobody thinks he's a suitable caretaker at all.
In the end it turns out I have a minor heart condition which causes an irregular heartbeat so from today no more caffeine, no more HIIT and I need to figure out a better diet. Glad to have had the wake-up call before anything more serious happened.
I might have to report Leon to the rozzers for larceny. .
Can’t see giving him more than a C - - myself
In the normal run of events this would be perfectly reasonably. The outgoing PM might want to complete some cherished projects, start some new ones and ensure a peaceful and smooth transition. Events are far from normal however and Boris certainly isn't.
There is every reason to suspect he will use the time he has left to cover trails, bury bodies, take some revenge and feather his nest as far as possible. He should therefore be led from the premises, never to return.
There is no shortage of candidates suitable to act as an interim.
Agreed, PBers?
What's wrong with HIIT? And what's wrong with your diet?
No. Just no.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/14/attorney-generals-office-worthy-of-respect-suella-the-stooge-disgraces-it
And I bet she was congratulating herself on how clever she was being out of the country while the bloodletting was going on.
Interested to hear @HYUFD views on a remainer being appointed to cabinet
I've got to say I'm still laughing at whoever said yesterday that Rees Mogg was the lamppost in Narnia.
Being told that Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary who was sacked by Boris Johnson, is making a comeback as Welsh Secretary
He's the Tory MP for Swindon South
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544992940535078913
I don't think he'll have a problem filling his caretaker administration, it's not like he's impossible to work with or anything. The only tricky part was getting sent out to lie for him, and they won't really have to do that any more.
Just got to cut out coffee and reduce added sugar more than anything else but there's always room for improvement.
Very glad you're feeling better!
I cut out caffeine a few years ago. I had bad indigestion and, before packing me off to have a tube shoved down my throat, said that 90% of the people who came to him with indigestion were drinking too much caffeine.
And so it proved.
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1544993245595328513
I don't despise him; he was PM long enough back to be of mild historical interest; and if he's predictably boring, then at least has a voice one would be able to doze off to.
What Betfair choose to do when it happens, and what the rules say, are not necessarily the same thing. Don't count chickens until they're hatched.
A C*** would be more appropriate.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1544993604325761025
Here we, here we, here we fucking go......