Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
He still hasn’t appointed a Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. I expect there will be a run on the hotpot when the markets re-open.
HOW CAN THE COUNTRY BE EXPECTED TO FUNCTION WITHOUT A CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER?!
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
Oh FFS
And why should Boris going mean a GE? I don’t get that at all, even as a piece of Borisite spin. It’s clearly nonsense, that is not how British politics works (for good or ill). If the new Tory PM has a solid majority (which he/she will) they are under no pressure at all to call a GE, and they won’t. Labour will bleat but so what?
Do they expect people to believe this?
If they can achieve a clinical change of leader, and things like the drop in fuel price start to help the economy, AND the Ukrainians start to win, then it’s absolutely a Tory wet dream for Labour to just bleat on about an election.
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
He still hasn’t appointed a Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. I expect there will be a run on the hotpot when the markets re-open.
HOW CAN THE COUNTRY BE EXPECTED TO FUNCTION WITHOUT A CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER?!
THERE ARE PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND LANCASTER UNABLE TO USE MONEY!
Genuinely surprising nearly all the Cabinet still in post. Sure, a few of them are now trying to get him to go, but technically nearly all of them retain their support through their positions. I don't buy it is a sense of duty.
Not a good time to be halving your salary. Cost of living going up.
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
He still hasn’t appointed a Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. I expect there will be a run on the hotpot when the markets re-open.
HOW CAN THE COUNTRY BE EXPECTED TO FUNCTION WITHOUT A CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER?!
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
Oh FFS
And why should Boris going mean a GE? I don’t get that at all, even as a piece of Borisite spin. It’s clearly nonsense, that is not how British politics works (for good or ill). If the new Tory PM has a solid majority (which he/she will) they are under no pressure at all to call a GE, and they won’t. Labour will bleat but so what?
Do they expect people to believe this?
If they can achieve a clinical change of leader, and things like the drop in fuel price start to help the economy, AND the Ukrainians start to win, then it’s absolutely a Tory wet dream for Labour to just bleat on about an election.
Arguing that a lost election will mean a coalition that will lead to break up of Britain (sounds familiar from 2015!) and those around him think they will lose a couple more from Cabinet but not all 2/
Jeez. If these people had all voted against Boris in the vonc a few weeks back none of this need have happened. I can't see how he's suddenly a worse PM now than he was then. The Pincher affair is bad, but no worse than they ongoing shambles beforehand. Maybe they did vote against him.
The Pincher affair. Honestly. Are we in some sort of simulation in which a bored creator has decided to amuse himself?
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are roundheads. Discuss.
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are everyone.
He does remind me of a cavalier - a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - puppy dog eyes, overweight, very stupid and pretty much useless for anything other than sitting on a sofa.
That's an insult to a Cavalier. They are quite bright. But they do like sitting around doing nothing (mine does) so the analogy partly holds
Does Boris have any upcoming milestones for time in office? Are there any rivals he might be hoping to overtake?
Neville Chamberlain, tomorrow.
Ooh! He'll want to hang on an extra 36 hours then. I think he finds this sortof thing important.
Doesn't that speak to him announcing his resignation tonight? Unless he's marched to the Palace, he'd stay as PM for a couple of months until a replacement is chosen.
Jeez. If these people had all voted against Boris in the vonc a few weeks back none of this need have happened. I can't see how he's suddenly a worse PM now than he was then. The Pincher affair is bad, but no worse than they ongoing shambles beforehand. Maybe they did vote against him.
The Pincher affair. Honestly. Are we in some sort of simulation in which a bored creator has decided to amuse himself?
Increasingly looking likely a bullish @BorisJohnson will not go tonight, will not resign - instead force this to a vote of confidence, *probably start of next week
Increasingly looking likely a bullish @BorisJohnson will not go tonight, will not resign - instead force this to a vote of confidence, *probably start of next week
This is laughable now. He is actually going to try to cling on. So we have wait for the 22 to change their rules. They should have done it today when they had the chance.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Because he holds views which are deeply offensive - more I would suggest than almost anyone else on here - and he invites scorn with his statements of absolute certainty which almost inevitably turn out to be rubbish. It is not bullying to point out his idiocy just as others point out mine and yours.
I take issue with that. I disagree with him about many things but his views are not offensive. I don't think the views of anyone on here are 'offensive', not even Sandy Rentool's cheerful wish for the elimination of all humanity. You may be offended by his views, but that is different (though I don'tsee why you would be, he may be not be the board's cheeriest poster but he is seldom rude despite a lot of provocation). And more often than not his views about what goes on within the Conservative Party are pretty well informed.
Well I have to say if you don't think that supporting the Spanish police beating up grannies because they want to vote and advocating doing the same thing to citizens in this country is offensive then I think your moral compass is somewhat skewed.
His attitude of 'party before country' is also offensive.
As I have said before I would not see him leave; he has an absolute right to say what he wants. But I and others have an absolute right to call him out for it and treat both him and his views with the disdain they deserve.
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are roundheads. Discuss.
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are everyone.
He does remind me of a cavalier - a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - puppy dog eyes, overweight, very stupid and pretty much useless for anything other than sitting on a sofa.
That's an insult to a Cavalier. They are quite bright. But they do like sitting around doing nothing (mine does) so the analogy partly holds
I used to know a cavalier. He was highly paranoid and a bloody idiot. Fiercely loyal to six people and loathed and feared everyone else. I don't think he was typical, though.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
I am baffled as to why you're so upset. Boris has secured his legacy, led the country through Covid and taken us out of the EU. He has now become a liability, so the Tory party is getting rid of him as it has done with so many leaders in the past - tale as old as time. He will be fine, the party will be fine, and the fresh new leader will have something of a honeymoon period. If the Tories are wise enough to elect Penny Mordaunt, she could even win a GE.
It is the beginning of the end of the party's period in power and perhaps the start of a new Tory civil war, exactly as Thatcher's removal brought about
Increasingly looking likely a bullish @BorisJohnson will not go tonight, will not resign - instead force this to a vote of confidence, *probably start of next week
The line is going to be that he’s got a *personal* mandate from the British people that the Tory Party cannot take away. I start doubt even the 1922 can shift him at this point and it will take a GE. Not what I thought this morning.
parliamentary democracy is so good. in America everyone in office gets drunk on imperial grandeur, but everyone in British government is a grubby little guy whose career ends in scandal or all their friends telling them they hate them
Jason Groves @JasonGroves1 Boris Johnson has told Cabinet ministers he will not quit, arguing it would cause 'chaos' and see the Conservatives fall to 'almost certain' defeat at the next election
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
I am baffled as to why you're so upset. Boris has secured his legacy, led the country through Covid and taken us out of the EU. He has now become a liability, so the Tory party is getting rid of him as it has done with so many leaders in the past - tale as old as time. He will be fine, the party will be fine, and the fresh new leader will have something of a honeymoon period. If the Tories are wise enough to elect Penny Mordaunt, she could even win a GE.
It is the beginning of the end of the party's period in power and perhaps the start of a new Tory civil war, exactly as Thatcher's removal brought about
But this would be true whether Boris is removed or not.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
I am baffled as to why you're so upset. Boris has secured his legacy, led the country through Covid and taken us out of the EU. He has now become a liability, so the Tory party is getting rid of him as it has done with so many leaders in the past - tale as old as time. He will be fine, the party will be fine, and the fresh new leader will have something of a honeymoon period. If the Tories are wise enough to elect Penny Mordaunt, she could even win a GE.
It is the beginning of the end of the party's period in power and perhaps the start of a new Tory civil war, exactly as Thatcher's removal brought about
I think the issue with that is that Thatcher had an ideology people could cling to (even if they retrospectively invented some of it). Given that Brexit on these lines is now pretty much fixed, Boris doesn’t. What can anyone harken back to?
It’s not as if any Tory front bench is about to repudiate Brexit.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
On balance, and I do say this after some minutes consideration, I think I will enjoy your bitter tears of impotence almost as much as I enjoy seeing Johnson dragged from the building.
If it wasn't for Johnson you would never have got the majority for your precious Brexit
Well that is rubbish. Moreover as I have said before. I would have sacrificed Brexit rather than have voted for a man so bereft of morals, standards or values. That is why, even at the point at which we may have lost Brexit in 2019, I would not vote for him. There are some basic things that matter more than any of this politics and it is a great shame you don't understand that.
Sky reporting Boris will stay, is not going to resign.
Utterly laughable.
Let's all regroup on Tuesday with fresh popcorn and try again.
Seriously, the only way they get him out is a VONC of the FULL House with Tories in the lobby with Opposition at which point he loses command of the House and Queenie sacks him. At that point security will escort him from the Crown Property and it is over.
The line is going to be that he’s got a *personal* mandate from the British people that the Tory Party cannot take away. I start doubt even the 1922 can shift him at this point and it will take a GE. Not what I thought this morning.
Yet again the Trump parallels kick in - can’t even leave office properly.
The line is going to be that he’s got a *personal* mandate from the British people that the Tory Party cannot take away. I start doubt even the 1922 can shift him at this point and it will take a GE. Not what I thought this morning.
His personal mandate is subject to him not being a lying twat though.
Any Tory MP who buys that line should be deemed too dumb for reselection.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Because he holds views which are deeply offensive - more I would suggest than almost anyone else on here - and he invites scorn with his statements of absolute certainty which almost inevitably turn out to be rubbish. It is not bullying to point out his idiocy just as others point out mine and yours.
I take issue with that. I disagree with him about many things but his views are not offensive. I don't think the views of anyone on here are 'offensive', not even Sandy Rentool's cheerful wish for the elimination of all humanity. You may be offended by his views, but that is different (though I don'tsee why you would be, he may be not be the board's cheeriest poster but he is seldom rude despite a lot of provocation). And more often than not his views about what goes on within the Conservative Party are pretty well informed.
Well I have to say if you don't think that supporting the Spanish police beating up grannies because the want to vote and advocating doing the same thing to citizens in this country is offensive then I think your moral compass is somewhat skewed.
His attitude of 'party before country' is also offensive.
As I have said before I would not see him leave; he has an absolute right to say what he wants. But I and others have an absolute right to call him out for it and treat both him and his views with the disdain they deserve.
These views are not "offensive" though. They are "wrong". Or, more accurately, "I disagree with them".
The line is going to be that he’s got a *personal* mandate from the British people that the Tory Party cannot take away. I start doubt even the 1922 can shift him at this point and it will take a GE. Not what I thought this morning.
Yet again the Trump parallels kick in - can’t even leave office properly.
Full vote of the House next week - VONC and Queen sacks him.
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
Oh FFS
And why should Boris going mean a GE? I don’t get that at all, even as a piece of Borisite spin. It’s clearly nonsense, that is not how British politics works (for good or ill). If the new Tory PM has a solid majority (which he/she will) they are under no pressure at all to call a GE, and they won’t. Labour will bleat but so what?
Do they expect people to believe this?
If they can achieve a clinical change of leader, and things like the drop in fuel price start to help the economy, AND the Ukrainians start to win, then it’s absolutely a Tory wet dream for Labour to just bleat on about an election.
BlowJo carrying on is the Best News. Now we get to watch him totally destroy the Conservative Party as he refuses to play ball.
A significant proportion of the payroll vote quit? Including a number of senior cabinet roles? Just replace them. With anyone who will take the jobs whether they be MPs or not.
Then when Brady announces a contest, say it has no legitimacy. Then when you lose the vote, say its up to the people to decide and demand an election.
If you recall the minority Johnson government also banged he dispatch box, describing how awful it was and challenged its opponents to force an election.
And he won an 80-seat majority. In his head he thinks this will work, and maybe the next majority will be 160.
Ffs iran has arrested, amongst many, our deputy ambassador
How and why?
Surely they can't arrest a diplomat, only expel them?
Believe that "arrest" in this case may actual be "detain" preparatory to explusion.
According to tweet I found & posted, British diplomat is NOT alone, other foreign diplomats accused by Republican Guard with "taking samples from the Iranian soil in a restricted area".
Lot of journos and commentators who have spent all day tweeting 'it's over', 'he's out tonight', 'he's lost the cabinet' are looking like they need to read more imaginative fiction this evening.
Jason Groves @JasonGroves1 Boris Johnson has told Cabinet ministers he will not quit, arguing it would cause 'chaos' and see the Conservatives fall to 'almost certain' defeat at the next election
If I go there will be trouble. If I stay there will be double...
It is the beginning of the end of the party's period in power and perhaps the start of a new Tory civil war, exactly as Thatcher's removal brought about
In most democracies no one party has a monopoly on power - indeed, it's often considered unhealthy when that is the case. The argument about Japan, for example, is whether the extended period of LDP rule has truly been beneficial or whether the country has stagnated.
That's Japan, though - in the British system, the periodic change of power between parties and has been regarded as an integral part of the process. The Conservatives have led the Government for 12 years - previously Labour led for 13. It may be the intervals between changes will revert to shorter timeframes in the later 2020s and 2030s - I don't know and neither do you.
Can you not accept a constructive period of Opposition might allow the Party to re-group, re-think and re-invigorate the Conservative message?
Jason Groves @JasonGroves1 Boris Johnson has told Cabinet ministers he will not quit, arguing it would cause 'chaos' and see the Conservatives fall to 'almost certain' defeat at the next election
That's only a threat if
a) they do not already fear that might be the case
b) he is promising to ensure they fall to that defeat, ie by saying he will not be loyal to the party
The line is going to be that he’s got a *personal* mandate from the British people that the Tory Party cannot take away. I start doubt even the 1922 can shift him at this point and it will take a GE. Not what I thought this morning.
So who will point out that he has no such mandate as that isn't how our electoral system works. Besides which if he does force an election having been voted out as Tory leader, who will he represent? The Big Dog Party?
How can the Cabinet Members who have briefed that they’re going to ask him to go stay now? And then are there enough MPs left to fill the vacancies if they do go?
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Because he holds views which are deeply offensive - more I would suggest than almost anyone else on here - and he invites scorn with his statements of absolute certainty which almost inevitably turn out to be rubbish. It is not bullying to point out his idiocy just as others point out mine and yours.
I take issue with that. I disagree with him about many things but his views are not offensive. I don't think the views of anyone on here are 'offensive', not even Sandy Rentool's cheerful wish for the elimination of all humanity. You may be offended by his views, but that is different (though I don'tsee why you would be, he may be not be the board's cheeriest poster but he is seldom rude despite a lot of provocation). And more often than not his views about what goes on within the Conservative Party are pretty well informed.
Well I have to say if you don't think that supporting the Spanish police beating up grannies because the want to vote and advocating doing the same thing to citizens in this country is offensive then I think your moral compass is somewhat skewed.
His attitude of 'party before country' is also offensive.
As I have said before I would not see him leave; he has an absolute right to say what he wants. But I and others have an absolute right to call him out for it and treat both him and his views with the disdain they deserve.
These views are not "offensive" though. They are "wrong". Or, more accurately, "I disagree with them".
No. Supporting the beating of people for wanting to vote and advocating it for our country is offensive. Far more offensive than the rude words you seem to object to on here.
It’s also almost certainly unconstitutional. We are going to have to have a big debate about codification once this grubby premiership is over.
Not sure it is. The leadership of the Conservative Party is different from the position of PM from a constitutional standpoint. He can lose the former and still be the latter.
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
Yes but they pulled the same trick to get rid of Theresa May which is how Boris became Prime Minister in the first place.
Mrs May resigned having lost over 1000 seats in the 2019 local elections, lost the party its majority at the 2017 general election and with polls putting the party on about 20%.
After Mrs May won her VONC in December 2018 MPs also rightly showed some loyalty and did not challenge her again the month after as they are now trying to change the rules to assassinate Boris.
Mrs May was treated better by her MPs than Boris is being treated by his MPs now and the parliamentary party didn't owe their seats to Mrs May as much of the parliamentary party owe their seats to Boris after he won the big majority in 2019 she failed to get in 2017
Jason Groves @JasonGroves1 Boris Johnson has told Cabinet ministers he will not quit, arguing it would cause 'chaos' and see the Conservatives fall to 'almost certain' defeat at the next election
If I go there will be trouble. If I stay there will be double...
Don't. Don't you want me? You know I can't believe it when I hear that you won't see me Don't. Don't you want me? You know I don't believe you when you say that you don't need me
Sky reporting Boris will stay, is not going to resign.
Utterly laughable.
All Boris sees is the end of everything he wanted, aspired and connived to achieve. Once he goes, he will never taste that power again and his life will be conducted in the past tense - he'll be a Former Prime Minister, Former Mayor of London etc.
As a man who thrives on the adulation of others, all that will be gone - I can appreciate how difficult these hours must and will be for him. It is the end of his life, his dreams, his goals - that's not easy for anyone to recognise and reconcile.
The line is going to be that he’s got a *personal* mandate from the British people that the Tory Party cannot take away. I start doubt even the 1922 can shift him at this point and it will take a GE. Not what I thought this morning.
Bring back the PPE clone politicians. At least they have a loose grasp on the basics of parliamentary democracy. This guy thinks he's fucking Ceasar.
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 33s Johnson ally: "He's not going to resign and he has a lot of things he wants to say this weekend before we even get to any vote."
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
Yes but they pulled the same trick to get rid of Theresa May which is how Boris became Prime Minister in the first place.
Mrs May resigned having lost over 1000 seats in the 2019 local elections, lost the party its majority at the 2017 General election and with polls putting the party on about 20%.
After Mrs May won her VONC in November 2018 MPs also rightly showed some loyalty and did not challenge her again the month after as they are now trying to change the rules to assassinate Boris.
Mrs May was treated better by her MPs than Boris is being treated by his MPs now and the parliamentary party didn't owe their seats to Mrs May as much of the parliamentary party owe their seats to Boris after he won the big majority in 2019 she failed to get in 2017
May was treated very badly by her party so I don’t buy this poor Johnson line .
It is the beginning of the end of the party's period in power and perhaps the start of a new Tory civil war, exactly as Thatcher's removal brought about
In most democracies no one party has a monopoly on power - indeed, it's often considered unhealthy when that is the case. The argument about Japan, for example, is whether the extended period of LDP rule has truly been beneficial or whether the country has stagnated.
That's Japan, though - in the British system, the periodic change of power between parties and has been regarded as an integral part of the process. The Conservatives have led the Government for 12 years - previously Labour led for 13. It may be the intervals between changes will revert to shorter timeframes in the later 2020s and 2030s - I don't know and neither do you.
Can you not accept a constructive period of Opposition might allow the Party to re-group, re-think and re-invigorate the Conservative message?
To be honest the party deserves a period in opposition after this
Jason Groves @JasonGroves1 Boris Johnson has told Cabinet ministers he will not quit, arguing it would cause 'chaos' and see the Conservatives fall to 'almost certain' defeat at the next election
If I go there will be trouble. If I stay there will be double...
Don't. Don't you want me? You know I can't believe it when I hear that you won't see me Don't. Don't you want me? You know I don't believe you when you say that you don't need me
I am the one and only, nobody I'd rather be. I am the one and only, you can't take that away from me!
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 33s Johnson ally: "He's not going to resign and he has a lot of things he wants to say this weekend before we even get to any vote."
The MPs keep thinking he will make their job easier. They seem to have at last realised they need to remove him, but it will still fall on them to formally do it - hold firm over the weekend lads and ladettes (and miscellaneous).
Remember kids, there is no constitutional rule that the leader of the party is the PM iirc.
No but there is the rule that the PM enjoys the majority of the house. We have never ever in modern politics been in a position where anyone has ever tried to test the roles being divorced (other than for temporary reasons), but surely if the Conservative party removed Boris as leader and then communicated to HMTQ that they had no confidence in him as Tory leader there would have to be a good argument mounted for her to dismiss? I suppose she could ask them to test it on the floor of the house with a full VONC.
It is the beginning of the end of the party's period in power and perhaps the start of a new Tory civil war, exactly as Thatcher's removal brought about
In most democracies no one party has a monopoly on power - indeed, it's often considered unhealthy when that is the case. The argument about Japan, for example, is whether the extended period of LDP rule has truly been beneficial or whether the country has stagnated.
That's Japan, though - in the British system, the periodic change of power between parties and has been regarded as an integral part of the process. The Conservatives have led the Government for 12 years - previously Labour led for 13. It may be the intervals between changes will revert to shorter timeframes in the later 2020s and 2030s - I don't know and neither do you.
Can you not accept a constructive period of Opposition might allow the Party to re-group, re-think and re-invigorate the Conservative message?
To be honest the party deserves a period in opposition after this
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IF anyone really needed proof positive, that Johnson and Trump were separated at birth, is not today it?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/06/politics/joe-biden-approval-rating/index.html
Only a full VONC of the entire House is going to get this cockroach out of Downing Street.
If these people had all voted against Boris in the vonc a few weeks back none of this need have happened.
I can't see how he's suddenly a worse PM now than he was then. The Pincher affair is bad, but no worse than they ongoing shambles beforehand.
Maybe they did vote against him.
The Pincher affair. Honestly. Are we in some sort of simulation in which a bored creator has decided to amuse himself?
But will we see cabinet ministers resign on mass before then?
https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1544754871567810560
They'll be pitching Carrie's interior design & decor out of the windows. Just to avoid more time-wasting.
“Is anyone else backing the Prime Minister?”
“Oh yes” she replies.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544756560777330697
His attitude of 'party before country' is also offensive.
As I have said before I would not see him leave; he has an absolute right to say what he wants. But I and others have an absolute right to call him out for it and treat both him and his views with the disdain they deserve.
They have put a genuine, flap-of-white-coats, lunatic into Downing Street and now we can see the fall out.
https://twitter.com/search?q=uk+deputy+ambassador+to+iran&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search
parliamentary democracy is so good. in America everyone in office gets drunk on imperial grandeur, but everyone in British government is a grubby little guy whose career ends in scandal or all their friends telling them they hate them
https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1544712200811593732
Jason Groves
@JasonGroves1
Boris Johnson has told Cabinet ministers he will not quit, arguing it would cause 'chaos' and see the Conservatives fall to 'almost certain' defeat at the next election
Utterly laughable.
It’s not as if any Tory front bench is about to repudiate Brexit.
Reshuffle in the offing - as some Cabinet ministers set to walk tonight will be replaced.
Remaining loyalists saying PM wants to take confidence vote on and fight it as Parliament V the people.
It's certainly 'bold'...
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1544757515950374912
Seriously, the only way they get him out is a VONC of the FULL House with Tories in the lobby with Opposition at which point he loses command of the House and Queenie sacks him. At that point security will escort him from the Crown Property and it is over.
Any Tory MP who buys that line should be deemed too dumb for reselection.
At this point absolutely anything is at least half credible.
Announced on iranian tv apparantly
Only way now.
A significant proportion of the payroll vote quit? Including a number of senior cabinet roles? Just replace them. With anyone who will take the jobs whether they be MPs or not.
Then when Brady announces a contest, say it has no legitimacy. Then when you lose the vote, say its up to the people to decide and demand an election.
If you recall the minority Johnson government also banged he dispatch box, describing how awful it was and challenged its opponents to force an election.
And he won an 80-seat majority. In his head he thinks this will work, and maybe the next majority will be 160.
Its mad. But so is he.
According to tweet I found & posted, British diplomat is NOT alone, other foreign diplomats accused by Republican Guard with "taking samples from the Iranian soil in a restricted area".
This guy does not operate in your universe.
He is in a parallel world.
That's Japan, though - in the British system, the periodic change of power between parties and has been regarded as an integral part of the process. The Conservatives have led the Government for 12 years - previously Labour led for 13. It may be the intervals between changes will revert to shorter timeframes in the later 2020s and 2030s - I don't know and neither do you.
Can you not accept a constructive period of Opposition might allow the Party to re-group, re-think and re-invigorate the Conservative message?
a) they do not already fear that might be the case
b) he is promising to ensure they fall to that defeat, ie by saying he will not be loyal to the party
Will Tories walk into voting division with Labour, Lib and SNP???
After Mrs May won her VONC in December 2018 MPs also rightly showed some loyalty and did not challenge her again the month after as they are now trying to change the rules to assassinate Boris.
Mrs May was treated better by her MPs than Boris is being treated by his MPs now and the parliamentary party didn't owe their seats to Mrs May as much of the parliamentary party owe their seats to Boris after he won the big majority in 2019 she failed to get in 2017
You know I can't believe it when I hear that you won't see me
Don't. Don't you want me?
You know I don't believe you when you say that you don't need me
As a man who thrives on the adulation of others, all that will be gone - I can appreciate how difficult these hours must and will be for him. It is the end of his life, his dreams, his goals - that's not easy for anyone to recognise and reconcile.
Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
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Johnson ally: "He's not going to resign and he has a lot of things he wants to say this weekend before we even get to any vote."
The Tory party tearing themselves apart in public. What's not to like? LOL.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1544759456088850432
I am the one and only, you can't take that away from me!
So do we think any Cabinet Ministers will resign tonight, now that Boris isn't?
Won't quit. Preparing for big economic reset speech. Filling cabinet gaps tonight. Warning election defeat follows if PM is removed.
The message to Tory rebels per an ally: "Sober up, smell the coffee and wake up."
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544760103282286594