Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
As a Christian does it not bother you that he lied and then lied and then lied again.
We all remember the story of Jesus just before being put on the cross saying pincher by name, pincher by nature....
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
The situation changed. More allegations came to light. More lies were spread. More reason to get rid of him.
Nothing has really changed and they should have voted him out first time. But there is no alternative now. He has to go through whatever mechanism can make it happen quickly.
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
Oh don't be silly. For one thing additional people who backed him then do not now, it is not simply the losers not accepting it.
Secondly, it isn't a matter of law at play here. It is the internal rules of what is essentially a private club, they can set whatever damn rules they like - and the rules allow them to change the rules, they weren't carved into stone and proclaimed at Mt Sinai.
If the rules allow you to change the rules, it is not a coup to change the rules.
Lastly, am I to believe it is a sensible or good thing that if someone wins an internal party vote, they have in effect carte blanche to do anything they want, make any errors, cause any scandal, and yet 'tough, it is not ok to remove them'?
So much of this is, still, all about Brexit. It is the playing out of the psychodrama that began in June 2016, or maybe in 1973
Hopefully, if and when Boris goes, the poison will be drawn, to an extent. But we need Starmer the 2nd voter to eff off, as well, for the purposes of symmetry and equity
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
Yep!
The MPs have failed in their quest to unseat the PM, so it’s up to the Cabinet to do it now - except it looks like they can’t be arsed to co-ordinate themselves to do so.
Maybe *this* is why Boris appointed a third-rate Cabinet.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
There was an ideology for the loyalists to get behind with Thatcher, though.
Does Boris have an ideology? What is it and who will want to carry it forward?
HYUFD is wrong anyway. The divisions in the Tory party after Thatcher had little to do with the manner of her leaving and everything to do with fundamental differences over policy - primarily Europe. He is rewriting history to try and suit his narrative, in the same way as he conveniently forgets that Johnson was just as much a 'Traitor' towards May as anyone today calling for him to go.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
Do all Conservative Party members put party before country, or is it just you?
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
Is changing the rules of the 1922 Committee a violation of the rules? As long as change is made per rule?
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
Will it? You would obviously know better than me, but is it likely that we're going to see a legion of embittered Borisites grieving his downfall and fighting to keep his ideological flame alive?
The Iron Lady had a coherent political philosophy. All Boris stands for is Boris.
In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
Except things have changed and they are no longer the losers of that vote.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
Will it? You would obviously know better than me, but is it likely that we're going to see a legion of embittered Borisites grieving his downfall and fighting to keep his ideological flame alive?
The Iron Lady had a coherent political philosophy. All Boris stands for is Boris.
If people like Scott took over the party seeking to reverse Brexit/get Britain back into the Single Market then probably, yes. And justifiably so, since that would be madness.
If Boris goes but rational post-Brexit politics continues without his personal foibles, then no.
So much of this is, still, all about Brexit. It is the playing out of the psychodrama that began in June 2016, or maybe in 1973
Hopefully, if and when Boris goes, the poison will be drawn, to an extent. But we need Starmer the 2nd voter to eff off, as well, for the purposes of symmetry and equity
So much of this is, still, all about Brexit. It is the playing out of the psychodrama that began in June 2016, or maybe in 1973
Hopefully, if and when Boris goes, the poison will be drawn, to an extent. But we need Starmer the 2nd voter to eff off, as well, for the purposes of symmetry and equity
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Because he holds views which are deeply offensive - more I would suggest than almost anyone else on here - and he invites scorn with his statements of absolute certainty which almost inevitably turn out to be rubbish. It is not bullying to point out his idiocy just as others point out mine and yours.
I take issue with that. I disagree with him about many things but his views are not offensive. I don't think the views of anyone on here are 'offensive', not even Sandy Rentool's cheerful wish for the elimination of all humanity. You may be offended by his views, but that is different (though I don'tsee why you would be, he may be not be the board's cheeriest poster but he is seldom rude despite a lot of provocation). And more often than not his views about what goes on within the Conservative Party are pretty well informed.
Poor chap is probably and seriously in mourning. Cut him some slack this one night
Can we not just do a little bit of gloating please? OK, OK I promise not to mention that Boris Johnson was a traitor once, no twice, er hang on maybe more than that? How many wives, girlfriends etc., collegues stabbed in the back by the hopeless lying scumbag.
Anyway, on a more positive note, if the Conservative Party heads in the right direction I might just reward it with my membership. I am sure folk like HY will be overjoyed and will welcome me back like the prodigal son.
So much of this is, still, all about Brexit. It is the playing out of the psychodrama that began in June 2016, or maybe in 1973
Hopefully, if and when Boris goes, the poison will be drawn, to an extent. But we need Starmer the 2nd voter to eff off, as well, for the purposes of symmetry and equity
So Mordaunt vs Rayner.
Er, doesn't SKS's defenestration not require Ms Rayner's as well, logically?
Poor chap is probably and seriously in mourning. Cut him some slack this one night
Can we not just do a little bit of gloating please?.
It is a bit like when some complained about Tories being triumphant on GE night for 2019 - when the hell else could they be triumphant if not that night?
Worth listening to the interview with Lee Anderson on Channel 4. He made the point which I made in my header this morning that MPs owe a duty to their staff to behave well and set an example and the Pincher affair was the last straw.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
Will it? You would obviously know better than me, but is it likely that we're going to see a legion of embittered Borisites grieving his downfall and fighting to keep his ideological flame alive?
The Iron Lady had a coherent political philosophy. All Boris stands for is Boris.
Mostly but not quite. Also stands for a certain way of doing things. Optimism, spin, having fun, a dominant big powerful leader, helping chums, and on the flip side, lack of seriousness, lies and zero accountability.
Plenty in the Tory party see a more successful future with that methodology, bar the persistent lies than by trying to address the real issues in the country. I could see them uniting around a Mogg or Dorries, but they will be out of fashion for a generation at least.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
I am baffled as to why you're so upset. Boris has secured his legacy, led the country through Covid and taken us out of the EU. He has now become a liability, so the Tory party is getting rid of him as it has done with so many leaders in the past - tale as old as time. He will be fine, the party will be fine, and the fresh new leader will have something of a honeymoon period. If the Tories are wise enough to elect Penny Mordaunt, she could even win a GE.
Poor chap is probably and seriously in mourning. Cut him some slack this one night
Can we not just do a little bit of gloating please? OK, OK I promise not to mention that Boris Johnson was a traitor once, no twice, er hang on maybe more than that? How many wives, girlfriends etc., collegues stabbed in the back by the hopeless lying scumbag.
Anyway, on a more positive note, if the Conservative Party heads in the right direction I might just reward it with my membership. I am sure folk like HY will be overjoyed and will welcome me back like the prodigal son.
If you were ever outside the Tories you're not a real Tory anyway.
He still holds against me the fact that I voted for Labour in 2001, despite having voted Tory in every GE since and having been a member and activist from 2004-2016.
I am baffled as to why you're so upset. Boris has secured his legacy, led the country through Covid and taken us out of the EU. He has now become a liability, so the Tory party is getting rid of him as it has done with so many leaders in the past - tale as old as time. He will be fine, the party will be fine, and the fresh new leader will have something of a honeymoon period. If the Tories are wise enough to elect Penny Mordaunt, she could even win a GE.
Yes, are people Tory backers or Boris backers? The two have often been the same, but not always. Gratitude is not a thing in politics (or Football management), it's all about what you can do for people today and tomorrow. No one person is bigger than the party, for the loyal, I would have thought.
If the Conservative and Unionists recapture the party from the Kippers I can consider voting for them again.
If not, they are fucked.
They may be fucked in terms of your vote. But it's not obvious that a Cameronite Conservative Party is any more able to build a coalition which could forge a majority than a post-Boris Borisite Party.
Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king. An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.
They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.
Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
Because he holds views which are deeply offensive - more I would suggest than almost anyone else on here - and he invites scorn with his statements of absolute certainty which almost inevitably turn out to be rubbish. It is not bullying to point out his idiocy just as others point out mine and yours.
I take issue with that. I disagree with him about many things but his views are not offensive. I don't think the views of anyone on here are 'offensive', not even Sandy Rentool's cheerful wish for the elimination of all humanity. You may be offended by his views, but that is different (though I don'tsee why you would be, he may be not be the board's cheeriest poster but he is seldom rude despite a lot of provocation). And more often than not his views about what goes on within the Conservative Party are pretty well informed.
If I were Scottish or Irish I might well find his views offensive rather than often obstinate and occasionally absurd. However like everyone he has his strengths and weaknesses, and is a decent contributor to the site.
You could see him doing that and then manoeuvring to make it permanent. Very House of Cards. Except unlikely he would have to push a girlfriend off the top of a building (or in front of a train) because well...ehem!
Come on you useless Tory MPs get on with it. We need a functioning government. The cabinet needs to resign all at once, just get it over and done with.
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are roundheads. Discuss.
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are everyone.
He does remind me of a cavalier - a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - puppy dog eyes, overweight, very stupid and pretty much useless for anything other than sitting on a sofa.
Come on you useless Tory MPs get on with it. We need a functioning government. The cabinet needs to resign all at once, just get it over and done with.
We have managed without a functioning govt for some time now. None of the lickspittles and sycophants appointed by Boris have any talent.
Liz Truss? As ForSec????? Deport 'Em Patel? Raaaaab????
I could type the rest of the Cabinet in here - or most of them for sure - but none of them are worthy of the jobs they hold
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
Meeting the Cabinet one at a time was the mistake Thatcher made. If she'd confronted them all at once it's less likely they would have advised her to go.
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
A GE still makes no sense to me as a threat - all the Tories have to do is resist it, that is not difficult. It is done every time we change PMs between elections.
Also, the idea the summer would focus on economic growth when we know for a fact 40-50% of the MPs want him gone is ridiculous.
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
He still hasn’t appointed a Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. I expect there will be a run on the hotpot when the markets re-open.
Exc: told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election 1/ https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
Oh FFS
And why should Boris going mean a GE? I don’t get that at all, even as a piece of Borisite spin. It’s clearly nonsense, that is not how British politics works (for good or ill). If the new Tory PM has a solid majority (which he/she will) they are under no pressure at all to call a GE, and they won’t. Labour will bleat but so what?
If Boris lasts until July 14th, can we import Bastille Day as a national holiday and the first steps of reconciliation with Europe? (It never hurts to have the French onside for EU stuff)
If Boris lasts until July 14th, can we import Bastille Day as a national holiday and the first steps of reconciliation with Europe? (It never hurts to have the French onside for EU stuff)
Arguing that a lost election will mean a coalition that will lead to break up of Britain (sounds familiar from 2015!) and those around him think they will lose a couple more from Cabinet but not all 2/
Boris is a cavalier and the people getting rid of him are roundheads. Discuss.
If you mean a Vauxhall Cavalier then bang on. Broken down, can’t keep up to speed, been around the block too many times, noxious emissions, not a muscle car but a flabby hulk that can’t steer a straight line and sent to the junkyard then yes, He’s a Cavalier.
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Nothing has really changed and they should have voted him out first time. But there is no alternative now. He has to go through whatever mechanism can make it happen quickly.
Secondly, it isn't a matter of law at play here. It is the internal rules of what is essentially a private club, they can set whatever damn rules they like - and the rules allow them to change the rules, they weren't carved into stone and proclaimed at Mt Sinai.
If the rules allow you to change the rules, it is not a coup to change the rules.
Lastly, am I to believe it is a sensible or good thing that if someone wins an internal party vote, they have in effect carte blanche to do anything they want, make any errors, cause any scandal, and yet 'tough, it is not ok to remove them'?
That's simply preposterous.
Hopefully, if and when Boris goes, the poison will be drawn, to an extent. But we need Starmer the 2nd voter to eff off, as well, for the purposes of symmetry and equity
Without checking, my guess is - No.
The Iron Lady had a coherent political philosophy. All Boris stands for is Boris.
If Boris goes but rational post-Brexit politics continues without his personal foibles, then no.
Priti Patel has sided with the group of Cabinet ministers calling for PM to go
The home secretary - one of Johnson's most loyal supporters - believes there's no way he can continue to govern without the support of his party
She's joined Shapps and Gove NOT Dorries
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1544747554721644550
Anyway, on a more positive note, if the Conservative Party heads in the right direction I might just reward it with my membership. I am sure folk like HY will be overjoyed and will welcome me back like the prodigal son.
If not, they are fucked.
A video of some (alleged) Russian soldiers trying to decommission some Ukrainian SAM missiles.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1544704505094217729
Any similarities with events at No. 10 at the moment are purely the reader's own.
Plenty in the Tory party see a more successful future with that methodology, bar the persistent lies than by trying to address the real issues in the country. I could see them uniting around a Mogg or Dorries, but they will be out of fashion for a generation at least.
He still holds against me the fact that I voted for Labour in 2001, despite having voted Tory in every GE since and having been a member and activist from 2004-2016.
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Ten years later, Boris Johnson is again presiding over a spectacular closing ceremony.
But it's not obvious that a Cameronite Conservative Party is any more able to build a coalition which could forge a majority than a post-Boris Borisite Party.
Fresh faces are needed.
https://twitter.com/jackmjenkins/status/1544739459849125893?t=5gwaVGgM5tj7Gtq7Ql6J5A&s=19
(for avoidance of doubt, there will always be stuff going on in the world, it's no reason to not take action)
Liz Truss? As ForSec?????
Deport 'Em Patel?
Raaaaab????
I could type the rest of the Cabinet in here - or most of them for sure - but none of them are worthy of the jobs they hold
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949
Also, the idea the summer would focus on economic growth when we know for a fact 40-50% of the MPs want him gone is ridiculous.
And why should Boris going mean a GE? I don’t get that at all, even as a piece of Borisite spin. It’s clearly nonsense, that is not how British politics works (for good or ill). If the new Tory PM has a solid majority (which he/she will) they are under no pressure at all to call a GE, and they won’t. Labour will bleat but so what?
Do they expect people to believe this?
They claim Sir Graham position was that he won’t be drummed out tonight and that rule change won’t come til Monday. And said he put his “14 million mandate on table”. 3/
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544753359676231681
And I thought David Perdue looked pretty sick when Ossoff was duffing him up. He looked positively radiant compared to the Cabinet.