As I said earlier Boris calling a General Election would be the perfect conclusion to his premiership.
He started leading a minority Government, fought an election and won a whopping majority then threw it all away in a fit of pique, decimating (and worse) the Parliamentary Tory Party.
After all how could any Tory Candidate stand with Boris as leader...
If Johnson were to call a General Election, as a way of clinging to power, or at least attempting to, I would revise all my previous criticism of the FTPA.
On account of rising energy prices would the last minister to leave Downing Street please switch off the government life support system ..... oh and the lights too ..
I just don't see Johnson calling an election against the wishes of his party. It would precipitate a Tory defeat for the ages, and he would lose his own seat for sure. I don't think the Queen would go along with it, but Christ what a position to put her in.
If Johnson were to call a General Election, as a way of clinging to power, or at least attempting to, I would revise all my previous criticism of the FTPA.
I did warn you all that the FTPA was a wonderful piece of far sighted legislation and it would be a mistake to ditch it.
Stupid question (probably) but are we absolutely sure Boris wasn't meaning the new leader would want to call an election, rather than him calling an election to stop the new leader displacing him?
If Johnson were to call a General Election, as a way of clinging to power, or at least attempting to, I would revise all my previous criticism of the FTPA.
I did warn you all that the FTPA was a wonderful piece of far sighted legislation and it would be a mistake to ditch it.
Yeah....and pineapple is wonderful on pizza too! ;-)
As I said earlier Boris calling a General Election would be the perfect conclusion to his premiership.
He started leading a minority Government, fought an election and won a whopping majority then threw it all away in a fit of pique, decimating (and worse) the Parliamentary Tory Party.
After all how could any Tory Candidate stand with Boris as leader...
No way he should have been in this situation. That victory should have left him free and clear, but he cannot help himself.
If Johnson were to call a General Election, as a way of clinging to power, or at least attempting to, I would revise all my previous criticism of the FTPA.
As an aide... Were Johnson that stupid (and I really don't think he is), then I think there would be an awful lot of very surprised libdem MPs in the South of England.
Boris Johnson and PB BoJo Brigade - be of good cheer!
For unreliable, uninformed sources are allegedly perhaps reporting, that RUDY GIULIANI is winging his way eastward across the Atlantic - in the "Spirit of Mar-a-Lardo" - to give BJBJ the benefit of his sage counsel.
What would be an equivalent UK venue to equal the PR impact of "Four Seasons"?
Boris requesting and HMQ approving an early election would end up with the Tories worse than decimated and probably a 1997 style Labour landslide.
It ain't happening. But would almost be funny if it did.
As suggested on an earlier thread that would probably lead to a situation similar to that of Canada's Conservatives. They'd look on '97 as a comparative success!
If Johnson were to call a General Election, as a way of clinging to power, or at least attempting to, I would revise all my previous criticism of the FTPA.
As an aide... Were Johnson that stupid (and I really don't think he is), then I think there would be an awful lot of very surprised libdem MPs in the South of England.
But think about it. Maybe if he can't have an election the only way of saving his premiership would be a nuclear war with Russia.
The measure of a PM is performing well in difficult times. Blair had a golden legacy that flatters his performance. (Macmillan is flattered for the same reasons.) Eden was much worse than Cameron, and I would posit Johnson.
PMs that had really difficult problems to solve and performed well:
Thatcher (numerous) Major (the 1992 recession, Northern Ireland) Attlee (post war reconstruction) Cameron (GFC fallout)
And I think you have to say that Johnson performed no worse than peers (and in some ways better) over covid, and he did (sadly via lying) actually get Brexit enacted.
Callaghan and May both tried to solve problems with potentially effective solutions but got screwed by legacy parliamentary parties. I'd push all them higher than consensus. More un-PC: Brown-Darling are well respected elsewhere for dealing with the GFC, and also were dealing with legacy plus, well, a GFC, that poisoned their contemporary reputations. No ambitious politician will praise them but historians might. Even more un-PC: A Suez-type event was the inevitable wake-up call that an Edwardian unilateral attitude to foreign relations was unsustainable. It wasn't the cause of decline, and even merely perceptually, losing the East to Japan was the root cause of perceptions of weakness.
If Johnson were to call a General Election, as a way of clinging to power, or at least attempting to, I would revise all my previous criticism of the FTPA.
I did warn you all that the FTPA was a wonderful piece of far sighted legislation and it would be a mistake to ditch it.
Quite right. It could have done with a few tweaks, but why anyone thought giving a rogue PM the power to fool around with the election date was such a wonderful thing was always a mystery to me.
On account of rising energy prices would the last minister to leave Downing Street please switch off the government life support system ..... oh and the lights too ..
Also empty the wine fridge(s).
Don't worry about cleaning up, as new PM - regardless of party - will be sending in a HazMat team to deal with the lingering stench.
There is Good News! The Prime Minister is being whisked as we speak to RAF Northolt where he is to hold very urgent meetings with President Zelinskiy for the next two years.
Boris requesting and HMQ approving an early election would end up with the Tories worse than decimated and probably a 1997 style Labour landslide.
It ain't happening. But would almost be funny if it did.
As suggested on an earlier thread that would probably lead to a situation similar to that of Canada's Conservatives. They'd look on '97 as a comparative success!
There'd be competing Conservative candidates for sure.
There's no reason for the Queen to agree, and who would be left to campaign on his behalf?
Indeed. The legislation is very clear. The PM requests and the Queen decides.
Of course if the '22 were clever they could kill this one straight away by changing the rules to say that, in the event of a dissolution, the removal of a Leader of the party can be decided by those who were sitting Conservative MPs at the time of dissolution.
Can the PM really call a GE by himself without the approval of his party?
We do have a wacky constitution
He needs the Cabinet though not be against such a decision. If its just his own bonkers scheme and the likes of Gove are telling the Palace via usual channels that none of them support it and Johnson is about to lose his leadership, I just cannot see how Queenie grants Big Dog a dissolution.
But if I tries it he will finally have confirmed he is British Trump.
Boris requesting and HMQ approving an early election would end up with the Tories worse than decimated and probably a 1997 style Labour landslide.
It ain't happening. But would almost be funny if it did.
Why won't it happen? Nick Palmer has made the point that Gordon Brown threatened an election to Labour MPs who were trying to remove him. Unfortunately we have a very elderly and frail monarch who even in her prime would always act on the advice of her prime minister. I wonder what her son is thinking about it all?
Michael Savage @michaelsavage · 2m In hindsight, the fact Johnson turned up to the liaison committee tells us a lot about his state of mind. He genuinely thought he could style this out.
There is Good News! The Prime Minister is being whisked as we speak to RAF Northolt where he is to hold very urgent meetings with President Zelinskiy for the next two years.
How much would we have to pay them for the 'Good Bye, Lenin?' option?
Michael Savage @michaelsavage · 2m In hindsight, the fact Johnson turned up to the liaison committee tells us a lot about his state of mind. He genuinely thought he could style this out.
No choice, a no show would have been a de facto resignation
Speaking as someone not averse to a bit of personal storification, I wonder if Boris has one eye on that memoir advance
The more spectacularly chaotic and bizarre he makes his departure, the more publishers will clamour to buy his tell-all autobiography - and the more they will pay
This week will make the perfect ending - to volume one
1) if the existing Parliament is still "vital, viable, and capable of doing its job", 2) if a general election would be "detrimental to the national economy", and 3) if the Sovereign could "rely on finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons".
point 2 is supposedly irrelevant now but surely points 1 and 3 hold - it would just require the Tory Party to hold a coronation rather than an election...
Boris requesting and HMQ approving an early election would end up with the Tories worse than decimated and probably a 1997 style Labour landslide.
It ain't happening. But would almost be funny if it did.
Why won't it happen? Nick Palmer has made the point that Gordon Brown threatened an election to Labour MPs who were trying to remove him. Unfortunately we have a very elderly and frail monarch who even in her prime would always act on the advice of her prime minister. I wonder what her son is thinking about it all?
She has a higher duty to protect the constitution from abuse and this is abuse and her advisors will be telling her that. She's not that frail.
Anyway by time Johnson's car makes its way through traffic to Windsor he will no longer command the House and she can see him to accept his resignation.
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He started leading a minority Government, fought an election and won a whopping majority then threw it all away in a fit of pique, decimating (and worse) the Parliamentary Tory Party.
After all how could any Tory Candidate stand with Boris as leader...
When are Durham Police going to chuck a grenade into the mix?
I want Zahawi to quit tonight. Less than 24 hours in office makes him immortal.
Sadly I don't think we're going to have that chance yet. Speaking as a soft leftie I mean.
35 on the counter
Nurse has woken up JackW from his afternoon nap....
Boris requesting and HMQ approving an early election would end up with the Tories worse than decimated and probably a 1997 style Labour landslide.
It ain't happening. But would almost be funny if it did.
Quite the reverse with Boris.
@bendavis_86
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I would write to my MP, but he’s Chris Pincher and I don’t want him knowing where I live.
Well. Yes.
Noa Hoffman
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Hearing the 1922 rules have now officially been changed
Which seems rather impossible today! 🤣
For unreliable, uninformed sources are allegedly perhaps reporting, that RUDY GIULIANI is winging his way eastward across the Atlantic - in the "Spirit of Mar-a-Lardo" - to give BJBJ the benefit of his sage counsel.
What would be an equivalent UK venue to equal the PR impact of "Four Seasons"?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/03/four-seasons-total-landscaping-lighthearted-lesson-business
But he's not surviving today either way.
The 1922 are about to organize a VONC he will lose and the Cabinet are about to withdraw support.
If he goes to the Palace in these circumstances he is virtually no longer PM and she will stall somehow.
More un-PC: Brown-Darling are well respected elsewhere for dealing with the GFC, and also were dealing with legacy plus, well, a GFC, that poisoned their contemporary reputations. No ambitious politician will praise them but historians might.
Even more un-PC: A Suez-type event was the inevitable wake-up call that an Edwardian unilateral attitude to foreign relations was unsustainable. It wasn't the cause of decline, and even merely perceptually, losing the East to Japan was the root cause of perceptions of weakness.
What will the next 24 bring?
"Boris and Nadine: it’ll be like the end of Antony and Cleopatra."
Don't worry about cleaning up, as new PM - regardless of party - will be sending in a HazMat team to deal with the lingering stench.
We do have a wacky constitution
Boris will NOT quit before September.
And probably isn't the worst plan for the Tory party as the next few years are going to be brutal for the party in power.
Incredible
@camillahmturner
BREAKING: Michelle Donelan, the newly appointed Education Secretary, is part of the delegation of Cabinet ministers who have gone to Downing Street to tell the PM the game is up
https://twitter.com/camillahmturner/status/1544711794899419136
Qoute me on it.
Of course if the '22 were clever they could kill this one straight away by changing the rules to say that, in the event of a dissolution, the removal of a Leader of the party can be decided by those who were sitting Conservative MPs at the time of dissolution.
Right decision or not, it is their confidence that informs the choice.
Nunu3: "Boris will NOT quit before September."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascelles_Principles
But if I tries it he will finally have confirmed he is British Trump.
https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1544714013426196488
Could be close
@michaelsavage
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In hindsight, the fact Johnson turned up to the liaison committee tells us a lot about his state of mind. He genuinely thought he could style this out.
I heard they are short.
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He can’t. The Queen wouldn’t let him.
The more spectacularly chaotic and bizarre he makes his departure, the more publishers will clamour to buy his tell-all autobiography - and the more they will pay
This week will make the perfect ending - to volume one
2) if a general election would be "detrimental to the national economy", and
3) if the Sovereign could "rely on finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons".
point 2 is supposedly irrelevant now but surely points 1 and 3 hold - it would just require the Tory Party to hold a coronation rather than an election...
Anyway by time Johnson's car makes its way through traffic to Windsor he will no longer command the House and she can see him to accept his resignation.