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  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,362

    Corbyn calls for People's Government

    Thereby indirectly making my point from 3 minutes previously.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 41,239
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Surely what led to the bitter divisions and the rest was the refusal of a rump of deluded politicians to recognise and accept the inevitable, and embrace the need for change?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 15,250
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 45,341
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Wonder what Carrie thinks of all this. No more Chequers. No more G7s and G20s and NATO summits in glam places. No more being-at-the-centre-of-power

    Now she faces a married life with a bored man in his late 50s, with two young kids; a man, moreover, known for relentless infidelity

    I thought she was already pretty much shacked up with Zac Goldsmith? If so, I shouldn't feel too sorry for her.

    And apparently she has hated life in No. 10.
    She has hated life in Number 10 - during Covid. That’s quite a bit different to normal life. She’s highly social and loves a party. I bet she was looking forward to Number 10 as it should be: the centre of socio-political networking

    I don’t buy the Zak Goldsmith story. I have zero evidence, it simply seems unlikely for a mother of two young children
    SUPER INJUNCTION WAVES HELLO.....
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,719
    IanB2 said:

    Sandbrook: Why didn’t he run Britain as he had once run London? For me, that’s the really baffling question. Why didn’t he surround himself from the first with genuinely seasoned, clever, ruthless people, as Reagan did — or as Thatcher, Clement Attlee and his hero Churchill did? Why employ Gavin Williamson? Why associate with Nadine Dorries? What can possibly explain the Cabinet career of Jacob Rees-Mogg? An elaborate bet? A practical joke that got wildly out of hand?

    Ask people who know Johnson well, and you get different answers. Some suggest that deep down, he has always been intensely insecure — something that’s true of many politicians, but wasn’t true of Reagan or Thatcher — and that he dreaded surrounding himself with rivals and potential successors. Others point to the breakdown of his marriage to Marina Wheeler in 2018, insisting that she was his rock, his anchor, his source of psychological stability and political sense.

    But perhaps there’s a simpler explanation, less grounded in amateur psychology, but none the less thematically satisfying. It may be that Boris Johnson’s capacity to play the British Reagan vanished some time between midnight and dawn on 24 June 2016, as it became clear that Britain had voted to leave the European Union. For as the sun rose that morning, just under half of the country vowed that it would never forget and never forgive. They blamed Gove, they blamed Farage, but above all they blamed Johnson. And with that, the part of the national conciliator, the amiable patriotic showman, was lost to him forever. He tried out for other parts, of course: the Brexit deal-maker, the Whitehall party-planner, the East African travel agent. But none of them really worked out. All his life he had been preparing to play a single role — and in the very act of securing it, he lost it forever.

    So perhaps, in the end, he was just another
    victim of Brexit. As a former classical scholar, he might appreciate the irony.

    Or he was just high on his own supply having become world king that he thought he was a genius.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 16,479
    edited July 6

    Foxy said:

    Being premier seems to send most of them mad after a while.

    But two years to become utterly Downfall-level bunker insane must be a record surely?

    Has anyone left Number 10 with their sanity intact? Does it posses some monkey paw like curse?
    Callaghan, maybe? Probably May and Major, too.

    Perhaps what they have in common is that they unambiguously failed in the job. Everyone does in the end, but their failure was so unarguable that they didn't have to waste any sanity pretending otherwise.
    In the Cockerell documentary on former Prime Ministers, iirc it was suggested the key was having a hinterland beyond politics, like, as you say, Callaghan, May and Major. More mundanely, it might just have been getting out before a decade at the top began to rot the little grey cells.

    How to be an ex-Prime Minister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PohYBaQvvQ0

    Really the BBC should package all the Cockerell documentaries up into a box set for politics junkies.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 9,544
    Leon said:

    Wonder what Carrie thinks of all this. No more Chequers. No more G7s and G20s and NATO summits in glam places. No more being-at-the-centre-of-power

    Now she faces a married life with a bored man in his late 50s, with two young kids; a man, moreover, known for relentless infidelity

    Personally am feeling somewhat sorry for (if not exactly sympathetic to) Carrie Johnson, despite her own role (bit part really) in her paramour's downfall.

    That's the pointy-headed liberal wokeist in me bursting out!

    Unlikely that she will end up as nicely-positioned as say the 3rd Mrs Gingrich (as US Ambassador to the Holy See; ponder THAT one for a moment) or the 3rd Mrs Trump (with possibility of returning as First Lady like Francis Cleveland; or becoming future President of Slovenia, God help them!)

    Would seem that best she can hope for may be something similar to 3rd Mrs Giuliani, who at least got her own back (Rudy being her 3rd husband) by getting out while the getting was good.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 78,843
    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    It buys him time only - unless we believe dozens of ministers and PPSs voted against him before without resigning, then there are dozens more votes in favour of his removal. The 1922 committee will find a path.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    How interesting to see a modern Dolchstoss myth take place before our eyes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 5,368
    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    Meetings underway. There will either be an announcenent of a presser or mass cabinet resignations shortly.........
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Leon said:

    I’m still bored. Gonna look at the view. Which, helpfully, is like something in Africa in a dream


    That's a lovely picture, to be fair.

    Still: eastern Europe gets boring after a while. Limited things to do and repetitive samey cuisine.

    You have to stay on the move.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,737

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 54,002
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Or they are standing up for decency, honesty and integrity which as a self proclaimed Christian you should applaud
  • eekeek Posts: 20,666
    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    It buys him time only - unless we believe dozens of ministers and PPSs voted against him before without resigning, then there are dozens more votes in favour of his removal. The 1922 committee will find a path.
    Not if Boris's fans win the 1922 committee elections on Monday and refuse to allow a change to the rulebook.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,103

    Corbyn calls for People's Government

    Source?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    A new British Conservative Republic?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Scott_xP said:

    Graham Brady has received a huge number of confidence letters

    His office said to have been a revolving door today with people handing in letters every 5 minutes

    Brady will tell PM but there's no guarantee he will go

    Tory MP: 'He's like a cockroach in a nuclear apocalypse'

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544734724412870658

    I hope they are no confidence letters.
  • FossFoss Posts: 565
    edited July 6
    Leon said:

    Wonder what Carrie thinks of all this. No more Chequers. No more G7s and G20s and NATO summits in glam places. No more being-at-the-centre-of-power

    Now she faces a married life with a bored man in his late 50s, with two young kids; a man, moreover, known for relentless infidelity

    His long term value on the column, board, and speech circuit must be dropping by the minute.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 427
    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    It buys him time only - unless we believe dozens of ministers and PPSs voted against him before without resigning, then there are dozens more votes in favour of his removal. The 1922 committee will find a path.
    Yeah - I wasn't thinking 'in the long term' - but it feels like it's gone from 'gone by dinnertime' to 'gone by.... sometime'. I was hoping to have a good excuse to open a nice bottle of wine tonight, now I just have a bad one.

    Damn you, Boris.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 6,599

    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    Meetings underway. There will either be an announcenent of a presser or mass cabinet resignations shortly.........
    And you know this because.....?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Andy_JS said:

    How likely is a snap election?

    Unlikely but I bought some Starmer as next PM at 36 today just in case.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Scott_xP said:

    Graham Brady has received a huge number of confidence letters

    His office said to have been a revolving door today with people handing in letters every 5 minutes

    Brady will tell PM but there's no guarantee he will go

    Tory MP: 'He's like a cockroach in a nuclear apocalypse'

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544734724412870658

    I hope they are no confidence letters.
    None?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 6,507
    Oil prices heading below $100 a barrel?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,737

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
  • eekeek Posts: 20,666
    IanB2 said:

    Sandbrook: Why didn’t he run Britain as he had once run London? For me, that’s the really baffling question. Why didn’t he surround himself from the first with genuinely seasoned, clever, ruthless people, as Reagan did — or as Thatcher, Clement Attlee and his hero Churchill did? Why employ Gavin Williamson? Why associate with Nadine Dorries? What can possibly explain the Cabinet career of Jacob Rees-Mogg? An elaborate bet? A practical joke that got wildly out of hand?

    Ask people who know Johnson well, and you get different answers. Some suggest that deep down, he has always been intensely insecure — something that’s true of many politicians, but wasn’t true of Reagan or Thatcher — and that he dreaded surrounding himself with rivals and potential successors. Others point to the breakdown of his marriage to Marina Wheeler in 2018, insisting that she was his rock, his anchor, his source of psychological stability and political sense.

    But perhaps there’s a simpler explanation, less grounded in amateur psychology, but none the less thematically satisfying. It may be that Boris Johnson’s capacity to play the British Reagan vanished some time between midnight and dawn on 24 June 2016, as it became clear that Britain had voted to leave the European Union. For as the sun rose that morning, just under half of the country vowed that it would never forget and never forgive. They blamed Gove, they blamed Farage, but above all they blamed Johnson. And with that, the part of the national conciliator, the amiable patriotic showman, was lost to him forever. He tried out for other parts, of course: the Brexit deal-maker, the Whitehall party-planner, the East African travel agent. But none of them really worked out. All his life he had been preparing to play a single role — and in the very act of securing it, he lost it forever.

    So perhaps, in the end, he was just another victim of Brexit. As a former classical scholar, he might appreciate the irony.

    That's the unherd article I posted the link to earlier - it's worth reading all of it not just the conclusion. https://unherd.com/2022/07/did-boris-destroy-boris/
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 3,492

    Corbyn calls for People's Government

    Source?

    Jeremy Corbyn
    @jeremycorbyn
    12 years of cruel Tory rule inflicting pain for the many to feather the beds of the few.
    Johnson should resign now but real change can only come when the Tories are swept away and replaced with a peoples Government to redistribute wealth and power.
    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1544445629639843843
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 18,804
    "(((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    44m
    Small issue. But we’ve got an interesting by-election coming up in Uxbridge."
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,719
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    UnHYnged.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 52,132

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Downing Street source says PM’s staff are telling waiting ministers - both loyalists and those who want him to quit - that he’s still not back from House of Commons.

    “They are still saying that he hasn't returned. He got back half an hour ago.”

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1544730039803068421

    Hiding in the wardrobe.
    Wine fridge surely. Unless that is an allusion to C. S. Lewis?
    The White Witch’s Reign is almost over

    Peter - Saj -
    Susan - Sunak (generally useless and a bit whiny)
    Edmund - Zahawi - almost king definitely a traitor
    Lucy - ?
    Mrs Beaver - Graham Brady - thoughtful but a bit player
    Maughrin- JRM?

    But who is Aslan?
    SKS of course!
    I think Aslan is the electorate perhaps. I always thought it a bit alarming in the book when it was said that Aslan was coming.
    Surely Aslan has to be resurrected.

    Where's Dave these days? I don't think Treeza quite fits the character.
    Theresa May?

    Edit - Blair for a peerage and acting PM?
    Yes, Theresa May. You could just about see that happening although only in extremis.


    Acting PM Blair? I think we'd need an asteroid strike on the Commons.

    Edit: Although that seems more likely than Boris actually resigning.

    A People's Government (and Corbyn would go even more bonkers).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 16,479

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Wonder what Carrie thinks of all this. No more Chequers. No more G7s and G20s and NATO summits in glam places. No more being-at-the-centre-of-power

    Now she faces a married life with a bored man in his late 50s, with two young kids; a man, moreover, known for relentless infidelity

    I thought she was already pretty much shacked up with Zac Goldsmith? If so, I shouldn't feel too sorry for her.

    And apparently she has hated life in No. 10.
    She has hated life in Number 10 - during Covid. That’s quite a bit different to normal life. She’s highly social and loves a party. I bet she was looking forward to Number 10 as it should be: the centre of socio-political networking

    I don’t buy the Zak Goldsmith story. I have zero evidence, it simply seems unlikely for a mother of two young children
    SUPER INJUNCTION WAVES HELLO.....
    How do super-injunctions work? If no-one can report there is a super-injunction in place, how does anyone know not to break it?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,084
    Nadal match, more twists and turns than Boris being dethroned.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.
    Wet? Perhaps. Pygmies? Probably.

    But as a loyal party member, with a party constitution that allows for the leader to be removed, how can it be treason to seek the removal of that leader? Did you call Boris a traitorous pygmy when he took down May?

    I know it is a difficult time for Boris loyalists, but I genuinely cannot understand how a loyal Tory could think it treasonous. If the party did not want the ability for MPs to remove the leader, why do they have the power to do so?
    Well, he thinks it's treasonous to be a Scottish Independista, so actually overthrowing King Henry VIII, sorry Boris, definitely rates the old block and the hanging, castrating, drawing and quartering.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993

    Leon said:

    I’m still bored. Gonna look at the view. Which, helpfully, is like something in Africa in a dream


    That's a lovely picture, to be fair.

    Still: eastern Europe gets boring after a while. Limited things to do and repetitive samey cuisine.

    You have to stay on the move.
    Yes, the food is pretty poor here, a nasty comedown after Georgia

    On the other hand Montenegro is fascinatingly varied within a tiny space. Everything APART from food is fab: and so much of it is unknown to outsiders (beyond the fabled coast). And gloriously cheap
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 5,368
    edited July 6

    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    Meetings underway. There will either be an announcenent of a presser or mass cabinet resignations shortly.........
    And you know this because.....?
    Because thats what is being reported. He's meeting cabinet one by one, a number of them have resignation letters ready if he does not go.
    Im assuming they wont just agree to disagree. Thats a big boy leap i took all by myself
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    If it's still around in 10 years time Netflix is going to be able to make a shit hot multi-series drama about British politics over the last 6 years.
  • FossFoss Posts: 565
    Andy_JS said:

    "(((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    44m
    Small issue. But we’ve got an interesting by-election coming up in Uxbridge."

    Blair running in Uxbridge would be amusing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,084

    Corbyn calls for People's Government

    Source?

    Jeremy Corbyn
    @jeremycorbyn
    12 years of cruel Tory rule inflicting pain for the many to feather the beds of the few.
    Johnson should resign now but real change can only come when the Tories are swept away and replaced with a peoples Government to redistribute wealth and power.
    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1544445629639843843
    Led by him?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 53,486
    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    It buys him time only - unless we believe dozens of ministers and PPSs voted against him before without resigning, then there are dozens more votes in favour of his removal. The 1922 committee will find a path.
    Yeah - I wasn't thinking 'in the long term' - but it feels like it's gone from 'gone by dinnertime' to 'gone by.... sometime'. I was hoping to have a good excuse to open a nice bottle of wine tonight, now I just have a bad one.

    Damn you, Boris.
    Looks like Monday to me to be honest.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Oil prices heading below $100 a barrel?

    Yes, the actual biggest news of the day. Down 20% on the month, good news for everyone.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 15,250
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
    What about the other 300-odd “wets and traitors”.

    Sadly, you have sacrificed your reputation and sanity for the wrong horse.

    You should have listened to me (and countless other posters) in the first place.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 26,932
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    On balance, and I do say this after some minutes consideration, I think I will enjoy your bitter tears of impotence almost as much as I enjoy seeing Johnson dragged from the building.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 54,002
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
    A poll of just 700 took part

    You are not representative of the wider membership anymore who put Johnson bottom of their cabinet ratings anyway
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,716
    Evening all :)

    It seems the ghosts of November 1990 have arisen as we enter the endgame (presumably).

    Johnson has discovered that wanting something badly is one thing but making a horlicks of it when you get it quite another. Here is a man who has contrived, connived and conspired over two decades to become first Conservative leader and then Prime Minister. As with all successful leaders, he has got there over the corpses of both friend and foe alike.

    Yet the moment of his triumph was brief - an election win was followed by a global pandemic and everything that has followed since - an era of optimistic proto-Thatcherism has been swept away by a virus and replaced with a cold, pessimistic instability demanding qualities of leadership Boris Johnson does not possess.

    His response to the tsunami of crises was self-preservation meaning holding on to his dream, his life's ambition, his goal. Both Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher came to realise the game was not worth the candle (as the French saying has it) - perhaps they had people near them who would tell them a different line to the sycophants, the acolytes and those hoping for betterment on the coattails.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 2,741
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    It buys him time only - unless we believe dozens of ministers and PPSs voted against him before without resigning, then there are dozens more votes in favour of his removal. The 1922 committee will find a path.
    Not if Boris's fans win the 1922 committee elections on Monday and refuse to allow a change to the rulebook.
    That won't happen. We can easily deduce from the number of rebels in the confidence vote that the loyalist faction is in a minority on the backbenches.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 16,479
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandbrook: Why didn’t he run Britain as he had once run London? For me, that’s the really baffling question. Why didn’t he surround himself from the first with genuinely seasoned, clever, ruthless people, as Reagan did — or as Thatcher, Clement Attlee and his hero Churchill did? Why employ Gavin Williamson? Why associate with Nadine Dorries? What can possibly explain the Cabinet career of Jacob Rees-Mogg? An elaborate bet? A practical joke that got wildly out of hand?

    Ask people who know Johnson well, and you get different answers. Some suggest that deep down, he has always been intensely insecure — something that’s true of many politicians, but wasn’t true of Reagan or Thatcher — and that he dreaded surrounding himself with rivals and potential successors. Others point to the breakdown of his marriage to Marina Wheeler in 2018, insisting that she was his rock, his anchor, his source of psychological stability and political sense.

    But perhaps there’s a simpler explanation, less grounded in amateur psychology, but none the less thematically satisfying. It may be that Boris Johnson’s capacity to play the British Reagan vanished some time between midnight and dawn on 24 June 2016, as it became clear that Britain had voted to leave the European Union. For as the sun rose that morning, just under half of the country vowed that it would never forget and never forgive. They blamed Gove, they blamed Farage, but above all they blamed Johnson. And with that, the part of the national conciliator, the amiable patriotic showman, was lost to him forever. He tried out for other parts, of course: the Brexit deal-maker, the Whitehall party-planner, the East African travel agent. But none of them really worked out. All his life he had been preparing to play a single role — and in the very act of securing it, he lost it forever.

    So perhaps, in the end, he was just another victim of Brexit. As a former classical scholar, he might appreciate the irony.

    That's the unherd article I posted the link to earlier - it's worth reading all of it not just the conclusion. https://unherd.com/2022/07/did-boris-destroy-boris/
    Boris's Cabinet picks have imo a more mundane explanation, and his motive was to refute the accusations thrown against him that he was racist, sexist and not a true believer in Brexit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,737

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    On balance, and I do say this after some minutes consideration, I think I will enjoy your bitter tears of impotence almost as much as I enjoy seeing Johnson dragged from the building.

    If it wasn't for Johnson you would never have got the majority for your precious Brexit
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 2,793
    ohnotnow said:

    It's gone ominously quiet on the whole "resign!" thing. Really does feel like he's going to brazen this out.

    Maybe he's using the "now is not the time" non-answer.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,323

    Come on Boris, just for the bants, fire those Cabinet Ministers in grey suits and replace them with Carrie Johnson, Lord Lebedev, Dilyn the dog, Stanley Johnson, the Russian violinist, the Canadian hairdresser, and Darius Guppy.

    He needs an old hand, an eminence gris who has been around and seen it all. Surely it’s time for Larry the cat to rescue the nation.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 6,599
    edited July 6
    IanB2 said:

    Sandbrook: [snip!]
    It may be that Boris Johnson’s capacity to play the British Reagan vanished some time between midnight and dawn on 24 June 2016, as it became clear that Britain had voted to leave the European Union. For as the sun rose that morning, just under half of the country vowed that it would never forget and never forgive. They blamed Gove, they blamed Farage, but above all they blamed Johnson.

    [yet more snipping!]

    Bingo! :+1:

    His apparent incompetence and lying since Brexit did not help his cause either
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,084
    HYUFD reminds of those Japanese soldiers who refused to believe the war was over and they had lost....or Scott n Paste over Brexit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,737

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
    What about the other 300-odd “wets and traitors”.

    Sadly, you have sacrificed your reputation and sanity for the wrong horse.

    You should have listened to me (and countless other posters) in the first place.
    It was only thanks to Johnson the party got the majority to deliver Brexit and beat Corbyn, if we had listened to the likes of you Corbyn might now be PM!!
  • I still like Beer and Korma

    Repeat ad nauseous (sic)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,362

    Oil prices heading below $100 a barrel?

    Why? Presumably this can't be pinned on Boris?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 53,486
    Johnson will not resign.

    He will still be there when we go to bed tonight imho.

    Even though it is over he will not go.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 15,250
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
    What about the other 300-odd “wets and traitors”.

    Sadly, you have sacrificed your reputation and sanity for the wrong horse.

    You should have listened to me (and countless other posters) in the first place.
    It was only thanks to Johnson the party got the majority to deliver Brexit and beat Corbyn, if we had listened to the likes of you Corbyn might now be PM!!
    Tell it to the judge.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Wonder what Carrie thinks of all this. No more Chequers. No more G7s and G20s and NATO summits in glam places. No more being-at-the-centre-of-power

    Now she faces a married life with a bored man in his late 50s, with two young kids; a man, moreover, known for relentless infidelity

    I thought she was already pretty much shacked up with Zac Goldsmith? If so, I shouldn't feel too sorry for her.

    And apparently she has hated life in No. 10.
    She has hated life in Number 10 - during Covid. That’s quite a bit different to normal life. She’s highly social and loves a party. I bet she was looking forward to Number 10 as it should be: the centre of socio-political networking

    I don’t buy the Zak Goldsmith story. I have zero evidence, it simply seems unlikely for a mother of two young children
    SUPER INJUNCTION WAVES HELLO.....
    How do super-injunctions work? If no-one can report there is a super-injunction in place, how does anyone know not to break it?
    There’s back-channels between the court system and media companies.

    Which obviously doesn’t apply to the guy in the US with a Youtube channel, but so what if the British press can’t speak about something.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 8,227
    edited July 6
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    They did last time.

    2019 members vote
    Traitors 92,153
    Loyalists 46,656
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 78,843
    Also, what the hell is a 'wet' thesedays anyway? It's not the 1980s and early 1990s.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,362
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    Nope, the Conhome surveys this week showed traitors like Hunt or Sunak would be trounced in the membership vote
    Suspect this is because Hunt isn't much to the taste of the party and because the shine has rather come off Sunak in 2022, rather than because of their views on Boris.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 7,400
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    As a Christian does it not bother you that he lied and then lied and then lied again.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,737

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 16,479
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It seems the ghosts of November 1990 have arisen as we enter the endgame (presumably).

    Johnson has discovered that wanting something badly is one thing but making a horlicks of it when you get it quite another. Here is a man who has contrived, connived and conspired over two decades to become first Conservative leader and then Prime Minister. As with all successful leaders, he has got there over the corpses of both friend and foe alike.

    Yet the moment of his triumph was brief - an election win was followed by a global pandemic and everything that has followed since - an era of optimistic proto-Thatcherism has been swept away by a virus and replaced with a cold, pessimistic instability demanding qualities of leadership Boris Johnson does not possess.

    His response to the tsunami of crises was self-preservation meaning holding on to his dream, his life's ambition, his goal. Both Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher came to realise the game was not worth the candle (as the French saying has it) - perhaps they had people near them who would tell them a different line to the sycophants, the acolytes and those hoping for betterment on the coattails.

    Is the game is not worth the candle not an English saying?

    But in any case, Boris was never a Thatcherite; more an anti-Thatcherite, being socially liberal; in favour of an active and interventionist state; and having no sense of decency or convention.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    kle4 said:

    Also, what the hell is a 'wet' thesedays anyway? It's not the 1980s and early 1990s.

    Quite. I mean, there are real live Brexiters being described as if they fell in the garden pool at No. 10.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 15,250

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    In what sense is your second clause exculpatory?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,373

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I suspect Boris Johnson will soon be an out-liar.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 22,950

    Corbyn calls for People's Government

    With Blackford as PM I presume?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,160
    "Corbyn calls for People's Government."

    Led by Putin?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,166
    Historians, political scientists and psychiatrists will be toasting Boris Johnson for providing them with enough material for books, papers and conferences over the next 25 years,
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,084
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    As a Christian does it not bother you that he lied and then lied and then lied again.
    We all remember the story of Jesus just before being put on the cross saying pincher by name, pincher by nature....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 23,445

    Johnson will not resign.

    He will still be there when we go to bed tonight imho.

    Even though it is over he will not go.

    "When the curtain falls it's time to barricade the doors."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054
    FPT @BartholomewRoberts
    Yes, it’s Fuel Duty.

    The new Chancellor should have announced it this morning, and let it dominate the day’s news outside of the Westminster Bubble.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    edited July 6
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
    "most successful electronic winner since Thatcher", you say.

    Mrs Thatcher and Mr Johnson were/are fabricants, err I mean replicants?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    We need public protest to influence The Crown.

    Can we get this lot to reform and switch their chanting to Tommy Lascelles?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPtpGr0_M0w
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,073
    Steve Baker looking very handsome on Channel 4 News.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 15,250
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
    Good. Hope so.
    Couldn’t happen to a more despicable shower.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,641
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
    This is true, but he brought it entirely on himself by being utterly untrustworthy. There's no point blaming anyone else.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 25,993
    I second the calls to LEAVE @HYUFD ALONE!

    Poor chap is probably and seriously in mourning. Cut him some slack this one night
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 78,843
    dr_spyn said:

    Historians, political scientists and psychiatrists will be toasting Boris Johnson for providing them with enough material for books, papers and conferences over the next 25 years,

    Sadly since Boris will be lasting a little while yet it seems, we won't be getting '1 day in July: My time as Chancellor of the Exchequer' by Nadhim Zahawi.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 54,002
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
    It is said tonight that Johnson's loyalists are down to just 60

    If true they have lost any influence they may think they had
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    As a Christian does it not bother you that he lied and then lied and then lied again.
    We all remember the story of Jesus just before being put on the cross saying pincher by name, pincher by nature....
    Mr Nailer disagreed.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Because he holds views which are deeply offensive - more I would suggest than almost anyone else on here - and he invites scorn with his statements of absolute certainty which almost inevitably turn out to be rubbish. It is not bullying to point out his idiocy just as others point out mine and yours.
    I don't take it seriously.

    I just think he digs deeper as a defence mechanism when he's challenged, because he can never be wrong.

    Just ignore it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 18,804
    In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,512
    edited July 6
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
    There was an ideology for the loyalists to get behind with Thatcher, though.

    Does Boris have an ideology? What is it and who will want to carry it forward?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 52,132
    Sandpit said:

    Oil prices heading below $100 a barrel?

    Yes, the actual biggest news of the day. Down 20% on the month, good news for everyone.
    What about gas? Any sign of that going down?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,157
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    As a Christian does it not bother you that he lied and then lied and then lied again.
    You seem to have missed the part in the old testament that confirmed lies were fine as long they annoyed enough liberals.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 23,445
    edited July 6
    @HYUFD has a point.
    Boris has plenty of hardcore fans at all levels of the Party outside Westminster.
    A number of them were incandescent at the prospect of him going this morning.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 1,667

    Scott_xP said:

    AS THINGS STAND at 1830

    - 2 competing trains of thoughts among Johnson allies
    - fight on, appoint new ministers, stay in office by any means necessary
    - others feel it's over & pushing handover timetable
    - ahead of Cab showdown PM subscribed to 1st view


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-05/uk-government-resignations https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1544737786179325953/photo/1

    As I say, Tories will have to vote with Opposition in a proper House-wide VONC to get him out imho.

    Then Queen will invite someone else to try and form an administration.

    It will be like the 2017 Parliament all over again: an overwhelming majority against everything. It will be impossible for A.N.Other to demonstrate sufficient support to be invited to form a government.

    The problem being the status of the person 'trying to form an administration'? Would they be PM pro tem? Or does BJ remain in Downing Street while a succession of hopefuls try and fail to replace him? If the latter then sooner or later he will face the country as PM.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 8,227
    Andy_JS said:

    In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.

    No, the winners of the vote have decided to walk away after Boris repeated his poor behaviour.

    Thankfully we have an unwritten constitution so MPs are allowed to change the rules and have another vote if they choose to do so.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,641

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, treasonous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    As a Christian does it not bother you that he lied and then lied and then lied again.
    You seem to have missed the part in the old testament that confirmed lies were fine as long they annoyed enough liberals.
    The 11th commandment - thou shalt own the Libs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 45,341
    Sandpit said:

    Oil prices heading below $100 a barrel?

    Yes, the actual biggest news of the day. Down 20% on the month, good news for everyone.
    Except Putin.... 😀
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 5,368
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Right on cue, some brave individual on the BBC misunderstands a political leader is an annointed king.

    An unnamed MP close to Boris Johnson tonight described some of his critics as “treacherous”.

    They are, a load of wet, treacherous, pygmies.

    Exactly the same type of MPs who toppled Thatcher, another great election winner, leading to years of bitter division in the party and ultimately over a decade in opposition
    Given that this seems to describe the almost the entire parliamentary party, are we to assume you have now transferred your loyalty to Il Duce?
    It doesn't, just the traitors. The membership will ensure the traitors do not get rewarded if Boris is removed by ensuring they do not get the leadership
    Hopefully the membership is not quite as loony as you. Even within the modern “Conservative” party, I suspect you are an outlier.
    I don't like the bullying of @HYUFD

    Yes, he's eccentric, dogmatic and pedantic and always has to have the last word but we know he will transfer his loyalty 100% the instant a new Conservative leader and PM takes office, so why badger him?
    Indeed, I have campaigned for Cameron, May, Johnson, Hague, Howard, IDS etc. However the backstabbing of the party's most successful electronic winner since Thatcher will likely lead to the same bitterness and division her removal ultimately did within the party
    Thatcher went with the party somewhere near 50/50, without the stains of character and personal actions we know of with Boris. He has nowhere near 50% of the party anymore. The only bitterness will be in ever trusting the fat prick with anything more than TfL and waving a flag in Beijing.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,783
    Andy_JS said:

    In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.

    Na, it’s not as if nothing has happened since then. To call it a coup has a bit over the top.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,073
    Andy_JS said:

    In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.

    It’s more that so many on the winning side of that vote have changed their mind.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,160
    edited July 6
    Mr HYFUD,

    Boris takes credit for seeing off Corbyn. More accurately, I believe Corbyn saw off Labour's chance of winning the GE.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054
    Andy_JS said:

    In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.

    Yep!

    The MPs have failed in their quest to unseat the PM, so it’s up to the Cabinet to do it now - except it looks like they can’t be arsed to co-ordinate themselves to do so.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 16,479
    Andy_JS said:

    In a way, this is a coup. Because Johnson fairly won a vote a few weeks ago and the rules say there can't be another vote for 12 months, but the losers of that vote have simply refused to accept it.

    Yes but they pulled the same trick to get rid of Theresa May which is how Boris became Prime Minister in the first place.
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