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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,340
    ydoethur said:

    If even Grant Shapps thinks Johnson's unfit to be PM, the game is really up.

    But has Michael Green given a view?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238
    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    No 10 divided:

    Two groups of Cabinet ministers are gathered in No 10

    Loyalists who argue that forcing PM out would lead to snap election & Labour SNP coalition

    Newly minted rebels who want him gone

    They are gathered *in different parts of the building*

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544728307895341056

    I think the pro-Boris group's colours are blue; the anti-Boris group wear purple.
    Who gets to wear the horned shamen hat?
    Nadine, surely.

    Well, I'm not going to take it off her!
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,579
    James II allegedly knew the jig was up, when he overheard one of his own guardians whistling "Lilliburlero".

    SO what would be the appropriate tune to be whistling outside the PM's window right now?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,440
    David Duguid quits.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,203
    I’m still bored. Gonna look at the view. Which, helpfully, is like something in Africa in a dream


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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,440
    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    #JohnsonMustStay
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    David Duguid has just resigned.

    Surely that must be the tipping point
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929

    Has HYUFD left to storm Parliament in support of Boris yet??

    He can’t find the keys to the tank I believe. Think his wife took them by mistake.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,340

    James II allegedly knew the jig was up, when he overheard one of his own guardians whistling "Lilliburlero".

    SO what would be the appropriate tune to be whistling outside the PM's window right now?

    “Show me the way to go home”….
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304
    Leon said:

    I’m still bored. Gonna look at the view. Which, helpfully, is like something in Africa in a dream


    Is that a triceratops behind that bush?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,756

    David Duguid quits.

    Now that really is an omen.

    Where are we on Mr Ross?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,301

    David Duguid quits.

    David done good.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790

    Has HYUFD left to storm Parliament in support of Boris yet??

    he is trying to find a viking helmet and some fur
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,340

    David Duguid has just resigned.

    Surely that must be the tipping point

    Not until Charlie Falconer has gone.

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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    The absolute state of this...

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.
    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,462
    James Sunderland resigns as PPS: Sky News
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Any word from Chris Pincher?
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,262
    edited July 2022
    James Sunderland resigns = 38
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,966
    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    I dunno. The situation in Downing Street could end like Hamlet.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    Carnyx said:

    David Duguid quits.

    Now that really is an omen.

    Where are we on Mr Ross?
    Wednesdays Ross is full of quit
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    FPT @BartholomewRoberts
    Yes, it’s Fuel Duty.

    The new Chancellor should have announced it this morning, and let it dominate the day’s news outside of the Westminster Bubble.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003

    Nearly 2,700 comments today so far.

    Oooh, does number 2,700 get a special prize? ;)

    Do we know what the record is? Surely the might and day after a GE?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,634
    How likely is a snap election?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,301

    Nearly 2,700 comments today so far.

    Told you PB is going downhill :)
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,932
    If Boris resigns the Queen should send for a long serving MP with Cabinet experience and the ability to build coalitions - step forward Sir Ed Davey. He would then appoint the following cabinet; Lord President and Deputy PM Starmer; Foreign Secretary Tugendhat; Home Secretary Cooper; Chancellor of Exchequer Reeves; Health and Social Care Hunt; Scotland Blackford; Wales Saville Roberts; Ni Farry; Education Halfon; Defence Elwood; Transport Merriman; Energy and Climate Change Lucas;Chief Whip Carmichael; Work and Pensions Raynor; Defra Farron. Leader of the Opposition Dorries.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,203
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    I’m still bored. Gonna look at the view. Which, helpfully, is like something in Africa in a dream


    Is that a triceratops behind that bush?
    it is Jurassic, isn’t it? It feels like it, as well

    Also, I am finally discovering a use for all those Geography lessons on oxbow lakes
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    People laughed when a trade envoy was the first out the door after Sunak and Javid, but in hindsight he was right to do so before the rush so at least it got some attention.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,462
    Scott_xP said:

    The absolute state of this...

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.
    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    Thatcher, Blair, May would all like a word…
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132
    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
    74 Secretaries of State for Independence would certainly make for an unorthodox cabinet
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238
    Scott_xP said:

    The absolute state of this...

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.
    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    Only one PM has left at the time of an election in the last 25 years. And only four in the last fifty.

    If that's the best they can do his cause is even more hopeless than I thought, which I would willingly have sworn was impossible.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,440
    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.

    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,046
    I do feel the Conservative Party's reputation for ruthlessness has been badly damaged over recent months.
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    MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 156
    In a parallel universe, David Cameron returns from another boring EU summit to take a call from President Hillary Clinton about the issues of the newly independent Scotland on Trade issues....
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,221
    Andy_JS said:

    How likely is a snap election?

    Near zero.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,440
    edited July 2022
    Just seen Jacob Rees-Mogg in a Mondeo.

    What an absolute fucking peasant.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929
    kle4 said:

    Any word from Chris Pincher?

    He’s got his hands full at the moment.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,462
    Andy_JS said:

    How likely is a snap election?

    Zilch IMHO. HMQ won’t grant a dissolution. A new PM might try to call one, but honestly I doubt it.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,819
    Scott_xP said:

    The absolute state of this...

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.
    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    Another pathetic Bozo arse licker. Funny how his protestations didn’t appear when May was forced out .
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    JRM says the PM has his support.

    On a day of shocks none can be bigger than this one
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    What a load of old wank.

    PMs get forced out one way or another between elections all the time. You think Australians for one give a damn about that?
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.

    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    It never seemed to bother them before
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,756
    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
    74 Secretaries of State for Independence would certainly make for an unorthodox cabinet
    What do you think the cabinet Mr Johnson's constructing is?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282

    Kit Malthouse, police minister and a close ally to the PM, is also in the delegation

    How big is this bloody delegation?
    It’s like Murder on the Orient Express, everybody wants their fingerprints on the dagger.
    One cab member for each of his limbs?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,579
    Leon said:

    I’m still bored. Gonna look at the view. Which, helpfully, is like something in Africa in a dream


    Still stuck in the fleshpots? Hie ye to the flint mines hard by the Kosovo border!

    By the way, are you planning to visit Serbia? Where they REALLY know how to defenestrate!

    With King Alexander Obrenović in role of Boris, and Queen Draga playing part of Carrie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Coup_(Serbia)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,301
    Heathener said:

    James Sunderland resigns = 38

    Sunderland, Villa... Brooking.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,221
    Iain Martin
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    Is there any parallel in the history of the Tory party of a leader threatening to spring a general election - in which his party would get smashed - to frighten his colleagues and cling on to power? Queen wouldn't let him have an election BTW, though.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,262
    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    Danny Kruger, who was loyal to the prime minister throughout, has told Downing Street that he thinks the game is up and he wants Boris Johnson to quit with dignity this eve - same as Michael Gove earlier today.

    Kruger was No10 political secretary before becoming an MP in 2019.

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1544733339369734144
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,221

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    · 18m
    BREAKING:

    Told that Graham Brady is in the Cabinet Office *now*

    He's expected to see the prime minister shortly

    But he may have to join the queue given the sheer number of Cabinet ministers who also want to see Boris Johnson
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Is Gove still actually in the Cabinet despite calling for Boris to go? That's bold.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,046
    This is all getting a bit silly. However there is an opportunity for a new government to try and resolve the protocol issue, improve our trading relations with the continent and actually start think about what Brexit Britain will look like.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,388

    Scott_xP said:

    The absolute state of this...

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.
    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    Thatcher, Blair, May would all like a word…
    Not to mention how do they think Boris became Prime Minister in the first place? Oh.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132

    Has HYUFD left to storm Parliament in support of Boris yet??

    he is trying to find a viking helmet and some fur
    A Sherman tank, shurely?
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,036

    moonshine said:

    All this is a great proof of concept of our democracy and unwritten constitution. The reason why we’re better than Russia is we can humiliate and defenestrate our leaders to casually.

    Precisely, our unwritten constitution is our greatest strength and also why we're better than America too.

    In America it is much harder to humiliate and defenestrate poor leaders so casually.
    Counting chickens before eggs hatch unwise when dealing with likes of Boris Johnson.

    BTW, what great British lawyer could best (or rather worst) perform the Rudy G role for BoJo?
    Jolyon the Fox-Killer?

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    Heathener said:

    James Sunderland resigns = 38

    Sunderland, Villa... Brooking.
    Sunderland is my MP. My partner wrote to him after party gate and he said he was backing Boris still
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,067
    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Ian Blackford has a decent claim based on the principle that sovereignty rests with the Clown-in-Parliament.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,340
    edited July 2022
    Heathener said:

    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

    Oh I’m sorry I missed those pics. It’s been years since we had the “person the story is about or their wife hands tea to journos” shot.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.

    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    I do think the party is now in a position where they are screwed whatever they do. Serves them right for inflicting a man they all knew was a wrong un on the country, as well as their stupid Brexit. They deserve everything coming their way. Everything.
    It's true they have few good options now. They could switch and still not win the next election - as we will hear, the polling for mid term was not itself irreversible.

    But they clearly felt things were only going to get worse, and taking action to attempt to fix the problem, rather than just firefight from now until 2025, had to be done.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    🆕 Mr @SteveBakerHW tells me he's considering a wildcard leadership tilt:

    "I respect that @ConHome readers consistently put me in the top 10 for next leader," he said.

    “So in the event that Boris resigns I will have to reflect seriously on whether to run."

    Cont ...

    https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/1544732763063975938
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    🆕 Mr @SteveBakerHW tells me he's considering a wildcard leadership tilt:

    "I respect that @ConHome readers consistently put me in the top 10 for next leader," he said.

    “So in the event that Boris resigns I will have to reflect seriously on whether to run."

    Cont ...

    https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/1544732763063975938

    I don't like 'reflect on whether to run' type statements. If that support has tempted you, just take the plunge. I liked when Kendall didn't equivocate on the question when she ran for Labour leader.

    Besides, Baker backed BLM, he must be super woke.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,405
    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    I dunno. The situation in Downing Street could end like Hamlet.
    Anything like the best adaption of Hamlet in history?

    https://youtu.be/9Eont_yEGZs
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,124

    Iain Martin
    @iainmartin1
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    Is there any parallel in the history of the Tory party of a leader threatening to spring a general election - in which his party would get smashed - to frighten his colleagues and cling on to power? Queen wouldn't let him have an election BTW, though.

    Effectively he would be threatening to suicide bomb his own party. It's not surprising if it hasn't been tried before.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    “At some basic level, almost anybody in parliament would be a better prime minister than Boris Johnson. Larry the Downing Street cat, at the moment, would be a better prime minister,” says former Tory MP @RoryStewartUK. “He simply can’t govern.” https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1544732459262251010/video/1
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,630
    Heathener said:

    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

    The one with the Border Terriers on it is Emma Bridgewater, and a snip at £14. Probably one for a more downmarket tabloid...
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    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Ian Blackford has a decent claim based on the principle that sovereignty rests with the Clown-in-Parliament.
    In fairness, at least Blackford would provide continuity with the current PM in terms of handling of sexual misconduct allegations against MPs.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    MP very close to PM says: "It’s over.. [but] he thinks in classical terms, for him there is no greater honour in resigning than being killed... if you are going to die, go down fighting"
    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1544734594821398531
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

    Oh I’m sorry I missed those pics. It’s been years since we had the “person the story is about or their wife hands tea to journos” shot.
    At £38 a pop, I hope she counted them back in....
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited July 2022
    Heathener said:

    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

    Where’s this, then?
    California?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    Graham Brady has received a huge number of confidence letters

    His office said to have been a revolving door today with people handing in letters every 5 minutes

    Brady will tell PM but there's no guarantee he will go

    Tory MP: 'He's like a cockroach in a nuclear apocalypse'

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544734724412870658
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
    74 Secretaries of State for Independence would certainly make for an unorthodox cabinet
    On the other hand one couldn't accuse them of not having clear policy ideas to solve every single problem the country faces. Granted, it is the same policy idea for all of them, but still.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790
    Scott_xP said:

    “At some basic level, almost anybody in parliament would be a better prime minister than Boris Johnson. Larry the Downing Street cat, at the moment, would be a better prime minister,” says former Tory MP @RoryStewartUK. “He simply can’t govern.” https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1544732459262251010/video/1

    He has stolen my line. Maybe Rory is a PB lurker!
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132
    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
    74 Secretaries of State for Independence would certainly make for an unorthodox cabinet
    What do you think the cabinet Mr Johnson's constructing is?
    11 Secretaries of State for Bullshit. Maybe 12, if he decides to ennoble HYUFD.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,221
    Chris said:

    Iain Martin
    @iainmartin1
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    56m
    Is there any parallel in the history of the Tory party of a leader threatening to spring a general election - in which his party would get smashed - to frighten his colleagues and cling on to power? Queen wouldn't let him have an election BTW, though.

    Effectively he would be threatening to suicide bomb his own party. It's not surprising if it hasn't been tried before.
    They've never made anyone this mad and deluded leader before basically.

    British Trump.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    First job for the new (or interim) PM - invite the photographers in to show the world their hideous(ly expensive) wallpaper? A true 'Ceaucescu's gold bath taps' moment...
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,193
    Heathener said:

    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

    Soon it will cost £38 to boil the water for the tea! 👿
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Ian Blackford has a decent claim based on the principle that sovereignty rests with the Clown-in-Parliament.
    He has the right to the claim that he is more heavyweight than even the PM
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,405

    Just seen Jacob Rees-Mogg in a Mondeo.

    What an absolute fucking peasant.

    Please do no insult the peasants. Only I can insult my peasants.
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    DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 706
    Chris said:

    Iain Martin
    @iainmartin1
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    56m
    Is there any parallel in the history of the Tory party of a leader threatening to spring a general election - in which his party would get smashed - to frighten his colleagues and cling on to power? Queen wouldn't let him have an election BTW, though.

    Effectively he would be threatening to suicide bomb his own party. It's not surprising if it hasn't been tried before.
    PM Taro Aso in Japan 2009 is the only example anywhere I can think of out of all the 40 or so countries I try and follow, called GE before being ousted as LDP leader, landslide defeat at the election.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,262
    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    So apparently Mrs Sunak went out to waiting journalists with a tray of tea ... in £38 mugs ;)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988049/Tory-leadership-jostling-begins-Boris-Johnson-teeters-brink-exit-Number-10.html

    The one with the Border Terriers on it is Emma Bridgewater, and a snip at £14. Probably one for a more downmarket tabloid...
    +1

    Love my Emma Bridgewater mugs.

    #Champagne Socialism
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    edited July 2022

    Chris said:

    Iain Martin
    @iainmartin1
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    56m
    Is there any parallel in the history of the Tory party of a leader threatening to spring a general election - in which his party would get smashed - to frighten his colleagues and cling on to power? Queen wouldn't let him have an election BTW, though.

    Effectively he would be threatening to suicide bomb his own party. It's not surprising if it hasn't been tried before.
    They've never made anyone this mad and deluded leader before basically.

    British Trump.
    In some ways, not the differences are still pretty stark. Boris is thoroughly an establishment figure for one. He's not extreme.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Counting chickens before eggs hatch unwise when dealing with likes of Boris Johnson.

    BTW, what great British lawyer could best (or rather worst) perform the Rudy G role for BoJo?


    SKS
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Scott_xP said:

    MP very close to PM says: "It’s over.. [but] he thinks in classical terms, for him there is no greater honour in resigning than being killed... if you are going to die, go down fighting"
    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1544734594821398531

    What utter tosh.
    Why do many suckers keep covering for him, I don’t know.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304
    Scott_xP said:

    🆕 Mr @SteveBakerHW tells me he's considering a wildcard leadership tilt:

    "I respect that @ConHome readers consistently put me in the top 10 for next leader," he said.

    “So in the event that Boris resigns I will have to reflect seriously on whether to run."

    Cont ...

    https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/1544732763063975938

    yes yes yes YES!

    Have him at ...checks...65s.

    He's now ...checks... 70s!

    Oh.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,756
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    MP very close to PM says: "It’s over.. [but] he thinks in classical terms, for him there is no greater honour in resigning than being killed... if you are going to die, go down fighting"
    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1544734594821398531

    That's odd. Slitting your wrists in a bath and making wisecracks while having a friend read some Stoic philosophy was the done thing. Or falling on your sword, if at all martial. (Not that I am suggesting these, of course.)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Genuinely surprising nearly all the Cabinet still in post. Sure, a few of them are now trying to get him to go, but technically nearly all of them retain their support through their positions. I don't buy it is a sense of duty.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,221
    Scott_xP said:

    Graham Brady has received a huge number of confidence letters

    His office said to have been a revolving door today with people handing in letters every 5 minutes

    Brady will tell PM but there's no guarantee he will go

    Tory MP: 'He's like a cockroach in a nuclear apocalypse'

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544734724412870658

    Tories will need to join Opposition in a full VONC across the House at this rate as the only way - so that Queen then "accepts" his instant resignation, whether he wants it or not.

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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132
    kle4 said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
    74 Secretaries of State for Independence would certainly make for an unorthodox cabinet
    On the other hand one couldn't accuse them of not having clear policy ideas to solve every single problem the country faces. Granted, it is the same policy idea for all of them, but still.
    The Queen's Speech would be quite something as well. Even if forcing Her Maj to travel to the Palace of Westminster just to repeat the word "Independence" 374 times might be regarded as a cruel and unwarranted punishment.
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    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🆕 Mr @SteveBakerHW tells me he's considering a wildcard leadership tilt:

    "I respect that @ConHome readers consistently put me in the top 10 for next leader," he said.

    “So in the event that Boris resigns I will have to reflect seriously on whether to run."

    Cont ...

    https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/1544732763063975938

    yes yes yes YES!

    Have him at ...checks...65s.

    He's now ...checks... 70s!

    Oh.
    I know he can be old fashioned, but what is 70s in new money?
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132
    kle4 said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Heavens above. I think I'd rather keep Johnson.
    74 Secretaries of State for Independence would certainly make for an unorthodox cabinet
    On the other hand one couldn't accuse them of not having clear policy ideas to solve every single problem the country faces. Granted, it is the same policy idea for all of them, but still.
    The Queen's Speech would be quite something as well. Even if forcing Her Maj to travel to the Palace of Westminster just to repeat the word "Independence" 374 times might be regarded as a cruel and unwarranted punishment.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    The one worry for Tory MPs tonight is that forcing out a sitting Prime Minister between general elections could appear anti-democratic.

    The Conservative Party might not recover from this for years.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1544731656606597122

    Nice try at an argument, Boris. But just fuck off and leave us to worry about how we play your departure with the voters. (I'm thinking tea, cakes and bunting for most of them....)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238
    Scott_xP said:

    “At some basic level, almost anybody in parliament would be a better prime minister than Boris Johnson. Larry the Downing Street cat, at the moment, would be a better prime minister,” says former Tory MP @RoryStewartUK. “He simply can’t govern.” https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1544732459262251010/video/1

    Larry's been saying that for ages on his Twitter feed.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790
    kle4 said:

    Chris said:

    Iain Martin
    @iainmartin1
    ·
    56m
    Is there any parallel in the history of the Tory party of a leader threatening to spring a general election - in which his party would get smashed - to frighten his colleagues and cling on to power? Queen wouldn't let him have an election BTW, though.

    Effectively he would be threatening to suicide bomb his own party. It's not surprising if it hasn't been tried before.
    They've never made anyone this mad and deluded leader before basically.

    British Trump.
    In some ways, not the differences are still pretty stark. Boris is thoroughly an establishment figure for one. He's not extreme.
    Similarly extreme in terms of narcissism though.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,221
    Being premier seems to send most of them mad after a while.

    But two years to become utterly Downfall-level bunker insane must be a record surely?
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    RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,157
    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    Go on, I'll bite. How?
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790

    Just seen Jacob Rees-Mogg in a Mondeo.

    What an absolute fucking peasant.

    Please do no insult the peasants. Only I can insult my peasants.
    I find it best to shoot them cleanly, preferably a left and a right.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,966

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Right, I think I've constructed the scenario where by 11am tomorrow Ian Blackford is Prime Minister.

    It does rely on Boris Johnson and the Conservative party being a pile of clown shoes buffoons so highly unlikely I know...

    I dunno. The situation in Downing Street could end like Hamlet.
    Anything like the best adaption of Hamlet in history?

    https://youtu.be/9Eont_yEGZs
    Bob and Doug MacKenzie's Strange Brew?
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