The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com
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I refer to my Othello quote.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
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I'm sure that Wallace has a soft spot for the tamborine too.Morris_Dancer said:Impressive degree of cowardice from all but two in the Cabinet (possibly excepting Wallace).
Far from good people though.0 -
Old Etonians just ain't what they used to be?Leon said:I can’t believe they haven’t elbowed Boris off the dancefloor. FFS
Surely one more Cabinet Mjnister would have done it. Idiots!
BTW, how was lunch. That place looks very atmospheric. How about the grub?0 -
The Sunak and Javid resignations were 9 minutes apart, so it had to be coordinated, but they didn't think about convincing a third Cabinet Minister to go with them?Leon said:I can’t believe they haven’t elbowed Boris off the dancefloor. FFS
Surely one more Cabinet Mjnister would have done it. Idiots!0 -
There comes a point in every party's existence (it happens several times in truth) when the point of its existence comes into question.
Is it in business to be in office, to be the Government, to steer the course of the country or is it about a series of core principles from which the policies and programmes are derived?
Sometimes, the two are compatible, sometimes, as now, they become mutually exclusive. In other words, the Government in office has to implement measures which run counter to its core principles - one example is a party dedicated to lowering taxes having to raise taxes under difficult economic circumstances.
All the main parties have been there in the past couple of decades - now, it is the Conservative Party's turn to be in Government what it swore in Opposition it would never be - the slightly more high tax and spending of the two social democratic parties.
"To thine own self be true" the saying goes but if the price of ideological purity and virtue is Opposition, that becomes the price.
Do the Conservatives rally want to stay in office (power is long gone) and see their ideological compromise deepen further or is it time to move into Opposition and rebuild (or, more accurately, pace a certain tv character, re-generate)?0 -
Tell the authors of this report that:BartholomewRoberts said:
I think you've got that wrong. Under the US Constitution the person chosen to act as President acts as such until the President recovers (impossible if they're dead) or until the next election.ydoethur said:
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.MPartridge said:
How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
The new Speaker wouldn't become higher up the list since there'd be no vacancy for acting President with the role already filled by Kirkman. The law doesn't provide for the acting President to be bumped out of the role by someone else.
In reality when the old President is dead "acting as President" is taken to mean being inaugurated as President. The Veep originally only acted as President too, but that was taken to mean inaugurated the first time it happened.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-continuity-of-the-presidency-the-second-report-of-the-continuity-of-government-commission/
Because it's not the constitution that governs the process of succession, it's the Presidential Succession Act 1947 under the provision of the constitution that Congress can determine who shall act as president.
Also see this from the House judiciary committee:
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He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.1 -
A vonc now has no downside for Labour.
Disagree, the now is the time to do it. Challenge the Tory rebels. If they back Boris they’re screwed. If they vote against Boris they’re screwed.wooliedyed said:
Entirely up to Labour. Will look ridiculous if done too soon. You bang it in if he survives the week/1922 changes tie them to him thenJonathan said:
How do? This government is clearly not something anyone has confidence in. Labour can vote for the motion with integrity. The 1922 failed. It’s the Tories that would struggle.wooliedyed said:0 -
The “funny” thing is that Rishi is essentially fiscally very right wing. Rishi would love to deliver aggressive tax cuts, but he had the problem of actually being in office and needing to do things like avoid a run on the pound.
Not that I want to defend him too much.
He actually wasn’t very good.2 -
They are politicians not pantomime damesBeibheirli_C said:Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?0 -
Of course they're idiots.Leon said:I can’t believe they haven’t elbowed Boris off the dancefloor. FFS
Surely one more Cabinet Mjnister would have done it. Idiots!
Non-idiots mostly weren't invited to serve in Johnson's Cabinet. Any non-idiots who were invited, refused, because they weren't idiots.
It was always going to go like this.1 -
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Of course he’s going to brazen it out, unless Brady stops him.BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.
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Oof! I get some dinner and this happens!System said:The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.comSome in No 10 braced for further ministerial resignations. Tory allies of the PM feeling inevitability, this could be the end. Many not as bullish as they have been at previous crisis moments.
So, Javid and Sunak. Wonder if this means Sunak still wants it. I'm not claiming great prescience, but I did say at the weekend I thought there was an opportunity for a non-front runner Minister to resign and catapult themselves back into the race.1 -
Bev, re: yesterdays great hat debate, what are your views re: the snood?Beibheirli_C said:Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?0 -
So the bit that mattered then?Slackbladder said:
On elements of fiscal policy, but not on social issues.HYUFD said:
With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensusSlackbladder said:
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.0 -
This lot are implementing UKIP ideology. They are no more Conservatives than you are.HYUFD said:
Conservative MPs get elected to implement Conservative ideology, otherwise there is no point to being in power at all if you are just going to be a Blue Labour government. May as well let Starmer get in and return to true Tory principles. As far as most Tory members are concerned, Boris' main problem is he has not been Tory enough!Razedabode said:
I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?1 -
& of people who know who a politician is, from https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/fame/politicians-political-figures/allStark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Johnson 99% (top politician)
Blair 98% (highest non-Tory)
Corbyn 97% (highest non-PM)
Hancock 97% (highest Con non-PM)
Patel 94% (highest Cabinet member)
Starmer 92%
Sunak 92%
Javid 89%
Truss 66%
Davey 49%
Wallace 37%
Mordaunt 35%
Tugendhat 19%0 -
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.0 -
Are they the bald aliens in Dr Who that carry a glowing ball everywhere they go?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Bev, re: yesterdays great hat debate, what are your views re: the snood?Beibheirli_C said:Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?
I presume you mean the hairnet thing? Awful. Ugly. Dreadful.
I have seen some Irish Tweed hats and I am very tempted to get one0 -
But doesn't BJ needs Mad Nad to stay where she is for the Culture War stuff?Gardenwalker said:Is Boris going to bother appointing replacements? I would have thought Barclay to CoE and Hancock or Dorries to Health, if he does.
I suspect Brady’s currently whetting his blade though, and I expect Boris to have announced his resignation before the end of next week.
He will stay on until the new leader is appointed, if only to beat May’s tenure, so you can scratch Raab off your list.0 -
I didn't realise saying 'Yes' and writing blank cheques was a skill peculiar to Wallace.Richard_Nabavi said:Michael Gove is key, I think. Maybe Boris can survive if he can persuade him to become CoE, but Gove hasn't been conspicuous with his support recently.
Wallace is right to stay as Her Majesty's defence minister, given the Ukraine situation. We really can't afford any discontinuity there.1 -
He's a fiscal conservative.Gardenwalker said:The “funny” thing is that Rishi is essentially fiscally very right wing. Rishi would love to deliver aggressive tax cuts, but he had the problem of actually being in office and needing to do things like avoid a run on the pound.
Not that I want to defend him too much.
He actually wasn’t very good.
If he did go for a platform like that he'd accompany it with spending cuts.1 -
So the bit that mattered then?Slackbladder said:
On elements of fiscal policy, but not on social issues.HYUFD said:
With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensusSlackbladder said:
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
I doubt it. It only takes, what, 32 changing their minds? In a secret ballot?Gardenwalker said:
Of course he’s going to brazen it out, unless Brady stops him.BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.
We are up to six already. And that's with needing to resign to do it.
It's over.1 -
You could make a good case for the point of the existence of Labour also being in question.stodge said:There comes a point in every party's existence (it happens several times in truth) when the point of its existence comes into question.
Is it in business to be in office, to be the Government, to steer the course of the country or is it about a series of core principles from which the policies and programmes are derived?
Sometimes, the two are compatible, sometimes, as now, they become mutually exclusive. In other words, the Government in office has to implement measures which run counter to its core principles - one example is a party dedicated to lowering taxes having to raise taxes under difficult economic circumstances.
All the main parties have been there in the past couple of decades - now, it is the Conservative Party's turn to be in Government what it swore in Opposition it would never be - the slightly more high tax and spending of the two social democratic parties.You
"To thine own self be true" the saying goes but if the price of ideological purity and virtue is Opposition, that becomes the price.
Do the Conservatives rally want to stay in office (power is long gone) and see their ideological compromise deepen further or is it time to move into Opposition and rebuild (or, more accurately, pace a certain tv character, re-generate)?0 -
By having an urgent meeting in Kiev and leaving it to someone else?kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.0 -
By talking about record numbers of people in employment, 40 new hospitals, getting the “big calls” right, and suggesting Keir is a Corbynist bore.kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.0 -
A chicken Kiev?bondegezou said:
By having an urgent meeting in Kiev and leaving it to someone else?kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.2 -
Been trying to make this point re Wallace and Mordaunt.bondegezou said:
& of people who know who a politician is, from https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/fame/politicians-political-figures/allStark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Johnson 99% (top politician)
Blair 98% (highest non-Tory)
Corbyn 97% (highest non-PM)
Hancock 97% (highest Con non-PM)
Patel 94% (highest Cabinet member)
Starmer 92%
Sunak 92%
Javid 89%
Truss 66%
Davey 49%
Wallace 37%
Mordaunt 35%
Tugendhat 19%
Barely known.2 -
Tory members however know who they are and they will be the ones choosing, not the publicdixiedean said:
Been trying to make this point re Wallace and Mordaunt.bondegezou said:
& of people who know who a politician is, from https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/fame/politicians-political-figures/allStark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Johnson 99% (top politician)
Blair 98% (highest non-Tory)
Corbyn 97% (highest non-PM)
Hancock 97% (highest Con non-PM)
Patel 94% (highest Cabinet member)
Starmer 92%
Sunak 92%
Javid 89%
Truss 66%
Davey 49%
Wallace 37%
Mordaunt 35%
Tugendhat 19%
Barely known.0 -
Having just heard SKS on Sky News he maybe has a point on the last one.Gardenwalker said:
By talking about record numbers of people in employment, 40 new hospitals, getting the “big calls” right, and suggesting Keir is a Corbynist bore.kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.1 -
Bryant pointing out that both Sunak and Javid have the right to make ministerial resignation statements in the house tomorrow.1
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Maybe but PMQs continues.BartholomewRoberts said:
So the bit that mattered then?Slackbladder said:
On elements of fiscal policy, but not on social issues.HYUFD said:
With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensusSlackbladder said:
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
I doubt it. It only takes, what, 32 changing their minds? In a secret ballot?Gardenwalker said:
Of course he’s going to brazen it out, unless Brady stops him.BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.
We are up to six already. And that's with needing to resign to do it.
It's over.
Someone will front. Probably Johnson.0 -
Gove will be Chancellor, Health Sec'y, Deputy PM, and will also take on the other portfolios of the ResignersRichard_Nabavi said:Michael Gove is key, I think. Maybe Boris can survive if he can persuade him to become CoE, but Gove hasn't been conspicuous with his support recently.
Wallace is right to stay as Her Majesty's defence minister, given the Ukraine situation. We really can't afford any discontinuity there.
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Mogg has serious childhood issues. He can’t bear the thought that Sunak is wealthier and rose to higher political office but went to Winchester. Mogg is scarred by the fact that when he was at Eton it was mocked for being the home for rich thickos with the odd diamond in the rough and is aware that it confers absolutely no intelligence cachet for his generation.
His pathetic critique of Nick Boles was another example.
He would be praising Oswald Mosley up to the eyeballs if his chip from his schooldays about Etonian/Wykehamist relations wasn’t an ever-present ghost in his life.
I’m imagining he got bowled a fast one in the goolies in the Winchester/Eton 8th eleven cricket for physical specimens made out of straw and never let it go.
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George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.1 -
Same way he's always done it.kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.1 -
Starmer should stand up and say:Gardenwalker said:
By talking about record numbers of people in employment, 40 new hospitals, getting the “big calls” right, and suggesting Keir is a Corbynist bore.kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.
"I have nothing to add. I cannot intrude on such personal grief"
And then sit down.1 -
They are spinelesswooliedyed said:
They are politicians not pantomime damesBeibheirli_C said:Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?2 -
At this point, can he avoid it? Maggie did the swansong PMQs and confidence debate after announcing her departure.kjh said:
Any normal person yes. Boris? But I agree, how does he do PMQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.
But unless BoJo announces his resignation and then goes off in a huff without an elected successor, he's on the hook for tomorrow's questions.
Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.0 -
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And Tugendhat?dixiedean said:
Been trying to make this point re Wallace and Mordaunt.bondegezou said:
& of people who know who a politician is, from https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/fame/politicians-political-figures/allStark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Johnson 99% (top politician)
Blair 98% (highest non-Tory)
Corbyn 97% (highest non-PM)
Hancock 97% (highest Con non-PM)
Patel 94% (highest Cabinet member)
Starmer 92%
Sunak 92%
Javid 89%
Truss 66%
Davey 49%
Wallace 37%
Mordaunt 35%
Tugendhat 19%
Barely known.
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I am surprised.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.
With the sole exception of Wallace, it seems they have all personally calculated they will not get jobs under any successor.
That’s incredibly damning.4 -
I am holding out hope that Zahawi is waiting until just before 10:00 to plunge the knife in. But I suspect I will be disappointed.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.
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The good news for the rebels if they fail is that as we've just learned Boris has a terrible memory, so may well forget what they did.10
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"Pincher's behind you!"wooliedyed said:
They are politicians not pantomime damesBeibheirli_C said:Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?3 -
Some conspiracy theories doing the rounds on Twitter suggesting that Zahawi is a friend of Jonathan Gullis, who has of course already gone.1
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ydoethur said:
Tell the authors of this report that:BartholomewRoberts said:
I think you've got that wrong. Under the US Constitution the person chosen to act as President acts as such until the President recovers (impossible if they're dead) or until the next election.ydoethur said:
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.MPartridge said:
How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
The new Speaker wouldn't become higher up the list since there'd be no vacancy for acting President with the role already filled by Kirkman. The law doesn't provide for the acting President to be bumped out of the role by someone else.
In reality when the old President is dead "acting as President" is taken to mean being inaugurated as President. The Veep originally only acted as President too, but that was taken to mean inaugurated the first time it happened.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-continuity-of-the-presidency-the-second-report-of-the-continuity-of-government-commission/
Because it's not the constitution that governs the process of succession, it's the Presidential Succession Act 1947 under the provision of the constitution that Congress can determine who shall act as president.
Also see this from the House judiciary committee:
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju96287.000/hju96287_0.htm#0
Note the precise language of 25th Amendment, in particular Section 4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#:~:text=In case of the removal,Vice President shall become President.0 -
Patel is the only person that could make the splash bigger.numbertwelve said:
I am holding out hope that Zahawi is waiting until just before 10:00 to plunge the knife in. But I suspect I will be disappointed.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.0 -
Captain hindsight.Daveyboy1961 said:I'm calling it.....Jacob Smug is a T*t of the first water.
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No, they are resigning the way all politicians from all parties tend to. And quitting your job in politics is rarely spineless. Belated, yes. Spineless, no.Beibheirli_C said:
They are spinelesswooliedyed said:
They are politicians not pantomime damesBeibheirli_C said:Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?
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Splash?Omnium said:
Patel is the only person that could make the splash bigger.numbertwelve said:
I am holding out hope that Zahawi is waiting until just before 10:00 to plunge the knife in. But I suspect I will be disappointed.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.0 -
You didn't see Mordaunt on reality TV then?Omnium said:
Patel is the only person that could make the splash bigger.numbertwelve said:
I am holding out hope that Zahawi is waiting until just before 10:00 to plunge the knife in. But I suspect I will be disappointed.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.2 -
I think she would belly flop, but that could be quite fun to watch.dixiedean said:
You didn't see Mordaunt on reality TV then?Omnium said:
Patel is the only person that could make the splash bigger.numbertwelve said:
I am holding out hope that Zahawi is waiting until just before 10:00 to plunge the knife in. But I suspect I will be disappointed.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.1 -
There are 19 Cabinet Ministers left, and a further 8 “attending” Cabinet.
All of them - save Wallace maybe, and for the moment Zahawi - have calculated they won’t get a job post-Boris.
It’s simply incredible how much shit is sitting in this u-bend.4 -
Coffey is a surprise. She is actually capable as far as I can see.Gardenwalker said:There are 19 Cabinet Ministers left, and a further 8 “attending” Cabinet.
All of them - save Wallace maybe, and for the moment Zahawi - have calculated they won’t get a job post-Boris.
It’s simply incredible how much shit is sitting in this u-bend.0 -
I guess I'm going to have to call JRM "Jacob Rees-Worm" once more. Because he looks a little like a monocled worm in the Mister Men books.
And because he is a slimy worm.0 -
With respect, that is irrelevant. The key part is Article II, section 6:SeaShantyIrish2 said:ydoethur said:
Tell the authors of this report that:BartholomewRoberts said:
I think you've got that wrong. Under the US Constitution the person chosen to act as President acts as such until the President recovers (impossible if they're dead) or until the next election.ydoethur said:
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.MPartridge said:
How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
The new Speaker wouldn't become higher up the list since there'd be no vacancy for acting President with the role already filled by Kirkman. The law doesn't provide for the acting President to be bumped out of the role by someone else.
In reality when the old President is dead "acting as President" is taken to mean being inaugurated as President. The Veep originally only acted as President too, but that was taken to mean inaugurated the first time it happened.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-continuity-of-the-presidency-the-second-report-of-the-continuity-of-government-commission/
Because it's not the constitution that governs the process of succession, it's the Presidential Succession Act 1947 under the provision of the constitution that Congress can determine who shall act as president.
Also see this from the House judiciary committee:
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju96287.000/hju96287_0.htm#0
Note the precise language of 25th Amendment, in particular Section 4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#:~:text=In case of the removal,Vice President shall become President.
the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
Which they have under the PSA 1947. Which allows bumping.
Possibly it shouldn't under the terms of the Constitution, but it does.0 -
Or just a very obscure putdown ?rottenborough said:Mogg wants Johnson to do a Walpole. 20 years.
These people are on drugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Walpole_(D41)
Fate:
Damaged by mine on 6 January 1945
Sold for scrapping on 8 February 1945
Or a reference to Horace Walpole’s career as a writer ?0 -
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?3
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Tricky one for Wallace given what is on his plate. I see the argument he should stay put but the logic of that is that he stays put as part of a functioning government. I don't think that that exists so how can he do his job? Where does the money come from without a Chancellor, the policy without a functioning cabinet, the leadership with Boris in office?
I think he should go now in the hope that the whole government is replaced by something bettter that can allow the UK to do what it can to help Ukraine in an effective way rather than by photo op.0 -
Perhaps lacking in confidence.rottenborough said:
Coffey is a surprise. She is actually capable as far as I can see.Gardenwalker said:There are 19 Cabinet Ministers left, and a further 8 “attending” Cabinet.
All of them - save Wallace maybe, and for the moment Zahawi - have calculated they won’t get a job post-Boris.
It’s simply incredible how much shit is sitting in this u-bend.
I really struggle to understand the psychology. Only a few are actually HYUFD-style stark raving mad.
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Tories most seats on BF 1.91/1.92, not moved at all. It's almost like everyone expected Boris to be toast.0
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Oliver Dowden must be really pissed off that his principled resignation, less than a fortnight ago, has been consigned to the dustbin of history so quickly.
"Who's he?", the masses asked.1 -
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
They are pretending that nobody remembers.2 -
Just heard the PM's interview with Chris Mason.
The guy is an absolute charlatan.3 -
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'2
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I am grateful that the worms in my garden don't seem to read PB. Otherwise all hell would be breaking loose.JosiasJessop said:I guess I'm going to have to call JRM "Jacob Rees-Worm" once more. Because he looks a little like a monocled worm in the Mister Men books.
And because he is a slimy worm.1 -
The main problem is getting Starmer (or the LOTO if its not Starmer) to play ball.NorthofStoke said:Is it conceivable that the only way to get shut will be Tories supporting VONC against government? No automatic GE will follow. Queen will call leader most likely to form a government so possibilities include:
1. No leadership campaign instead Tory MPs will have to agree on one candidate to avoid prolonged vote.
2. Temporary PM while leadership contest takes place (May?)
Tories have to be vary careful they don't precipitate an election by accident. Of course it is also possible that Starmer may go soon (before Boris??).
Entertaining!
Only the LOTO can call a VONC and it be guaranteed to be debated and voted on.
So.... let's just make something up and say Johnson refuses to resign and replaces the cabinet members who have resigned. Unless the 1922 committee can change the rules, the only final way is a Parliamentary vote.
So the 'leader' of the Con rebels (and I'll make something ELSE up and just say 'Hunt') approaches Starmer.
Hunt wants a VONC, which he guarantees he and 100 others will support.
Starmer wants a VONC.
So it seems a no brainer. But its what happens afterwards.
Hunt would want a VONC followed by an alternative Conservative government, led by him, WITHOUT a General Election.
Starmer would want a VONC followed by a GE.
Hunt can't get the VONC even called to debate without Starmer. Starmer won't accept tabling a VONC unless it leads to a GE.
Hunt *might say* he'd agree to a GE, but Starmer has no way of guaranteeing that. Starmer could call the VONC, win it, and then ask for a GE only for Hunt to shaft him over and stop one.
Starmer, though he DOES have a role in this latest drama, almost certainly won't do anything. He can't get what he wants, and no alternative Conservative would feel happy giving him a GE (except Rory Stewart, who isn't here anymore).0 -
The way to square this circle is to be confident in his Ministers of State and ask them to hold the fort while he resigns to deal with the Prime Minister.DavidL said:Tricky one for Wallace given what is on his plate. I see the argument he should stay put but the logic of that is that he stays put as part of a functioning government. I don't think that that exists so how can he do his job? Where does the money come from without a Chancellor, the policy without a functioning cabinet, the leadership with Boris in office?
I think he should go now in the hope that the whole government is replaced by something bettter that can allow the UK to do what it can to help Ukraine in an effective way rather than by photo op.2 -
We asked that when he was in office.Northern_Al said:Oliver Dowden must be really pissed off that his principled resignation, less than a fortnight ago, has been consigned to the dustbin of history so quickly.
"Who's he?", the masses asked.1 -
I also remember the discussions on here from those people speculating whether Labour would ever lead an opinion poll again this parliament.Gardenwalker said:
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
They are pretending that nobody remembers.5 -
Caretaker is about their level.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Not sure I'd trust them to mop the floors properly, mind.1 -
George Useless living up to his name again...kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing. 2 -
Quite enjoyed the recent short.OnboardG1 said:
Not my favourite Stross books. There’s only so much personal hatred I can deal with. Looking forward to the new Laundry though.Carnyx said:
I was actually thinking exactly that myself when I read 'New Management'!OnboardG1 said:
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.DavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.0 -
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
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One doesn't want to think of her as a "lonely girl from a women's college", but there may be an element of that. But who wants to admit that they've been a stooge?Gardenwalker said:
Perhaps lacking in confidence.rottenborough said:
Coffey is a surprise. She is actually capable as far as I can see.Gardenwalker said:There are 19 Cabinet Ministers left, and a further 8 “attending” Cabinet.
All of them - save Wallace maybe, and for the moment Zahawi - have calculated they won’t get a job post-Boris.
It’s simply incredible how much shit is sitting in this u-bend.
I really struggle to understand the psychology. Only a few are actually HYUFD-style stark raving mad.
Whatever he doesn't understand (and there's a lot), Boris has always understood raw human power and schoolboy cruelty.0 -
Also the worms in almost every organism's intestine.DavidL said:
I am grateful that the worms in my garden don't seem to read PB. Otherwise all hell would be breaking loose.JosiasJessop said:I guess I'm going to have to call JRM "Jacob Rees-Worm" once more. Because he looks a little like a monocled worm in the Mister Men books.
And because he is a slimy worm.0 -
NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/15444021330296176670 -
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Hes not quitting, hes hiring. Tonight.
What a mess.0 -
They are all in pretty much the same predicament as Wallace though. That would just be passing the problem on.LostPassword said:
The way to square this circle is to be confident in his Ministers of State and ask them to hold the fort while he resigns to deal with the Prime Minister.DavidL said:Tricky one for Wallace given what is on his plate. I see the argument he should stay put but the logic of that is that he stays put as part of a functioning government. I don't think that that exists so how can he do his job? Where does the money come from without a Chancellor, the policy without a functioning cabinet, the leadership with Boris in office?
I think he should go now in the hope that the whole government is replaced by something bettter that can allow the UK to do what it can to help Ukraine in an effective way rather than by photo op.0 -
Hmm. I see someone actually gave you an Off Topic for that. Not me. Obvs also uncoordinated with the Party.HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch0 -
Is Mike still on a break? TSE still in charge of PB?1
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It’s your job to give them some leadership and direction!DavidL said:
I am grateful that the worms in my garden don't seem to read PB. Otherwise all hell would be breaking loose.JosiasJessop said:I guess I'm going to have to call JRM "Jacob Rees-Worm" once more. Because he looks a little like a monocled worm in the Mister Men books.
And because he is a slimy worm.2 -
He must have one before the markets open, surely?rottenborough said:Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
Sounds like plan is to appoint a new Chancellor this evening.0 -
Ooo wonder if we might get our first lady CotE... Stand by you phone Nadine...TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/15444021330296176670 -
He's busy today, I'm in charge the rest of the evening.Beibheirli_C said:Is Mike still on a break? TSE still in charge of PB?
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He used to run Bomber Command IIRCNorthern_Al said:Oliver Dowden must be really pissed off that his principled resignation, less than a fortnight ago, has been consigned to the dustbin of history so quickly.
"Who's he?", the masses asked. 1 -
Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15444004871806033990 -
Truss is the rumourGIN1138 said:
Ooo wonder if we might get our first lady CotE... Stand by you phone Nadine...TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/15444021330296176671 -
We really didn't if only because very, very few were aware that he was even in office or what office he held.Mexicanpete said:
We asked that when he was in office.Northern_Al said:Oliver Dowden must be really pissed off that his principled resignation, less than a fortnight ago, has been consigned to the dustbin of history so quickly.
"Who's he?", the masses asked.0 -
The important thing to remember is Boris is completely and utterly shameless.
The only way he's going is via losing a new vote of no confidence. The normal rules of politics don't apply to him.3 -
Whoever takes the Chancellor job is going down in history as such a worm! Sure, you can say forever you were once chancellor. But will it really be worth the shame?1
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Do we now find out exactly how many people he's promised a promotion to?0
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Heseltine has just said Brexit is the worst mistake any government has made in 70 years. A catastrophy. When told that Johnson going isn't going to change anything and even Labour now support Brexit he said "we have the Lib Dems"Big_G_NorthWales said:
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on itIanB2 said:
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
Interesting from a Remaining Tory. Perhaps the Future could be Orange.2 -
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracyGardenwalker said:
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
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