Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.
Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.
Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.
Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:
The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.
The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did Boris
Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is Sturgeon
Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.
Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.
BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68
And do you think that would have been anything other than catastrophic for the Union @HYUFD? I mean, for goodness sake.
From 2015 to 2017 they were in government with a majority under Cameron and May with just 1 seat in Scotland
So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.
So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!
The government loses the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Health Minister at the same time, resigning because they "can't continue in good conscience" and your reaction is it's OK because 6 other ministers haven't left!!!
Yuo can carry on with your glass half full thinking, but at some point it really is going to be empty.
MP for 21 years, former Chair of NI Select Committee and a junior minister from time to time. (Also wrote a novel about the Civil War starring a former military man turned MP. and regicide - coincidentally he is a former military man turned MP)
Big beast he is not. Conventional loyalist, yes.
I bow to your superior knowledge
I cannot pretend to know things about random MPs. Just surprised to see a local MP in the news for once.
I live in Boris's old seat of Henley, current Tory MP i know quite well, lets say he is not a fan of Bojo by any means
@NadineDorries · 2m I’m not sure anyone actually doubted this, however, I am 💯 behind @BorisJohnson the PM who consistently gets all the big decisions right.
I wouldn't trust that polling as far as I could throw it but you carry on holding on to it like a drowning man holds on to a lifebelt.
Once you get into a leadership election, all bets are off - obviously, the key will be any polling showing how the different contenders would fare in a possible GE against Labour. After all, that's what won it for Johnson in 2019.
To an extent but less so than 2019 as the Tories now have a majority they didn't then.
Tory members will be looking for some rightwing red meat as reward for the majority the party won in 2019
I'd have thought the bigger question is which candidate would be the most likely to keep the Party in Government - wanting "right wing red meat" got you Hague, IDS and Howard - remind me how that worked out.
Jacob Rees Mogg tells #C4News it is the PM who has a mandate from the people. Those who left he says are “eminently replaceable”.
Rees Mogg. 'Stalingrad is a triumph for the Fuhrer'. @Channel4News
Oh god, he's going to be CoE isn;t he....
well at least enjoy the tax cuts as we go to hell in a hand basket.
Who has been the CoE with shortest time in office?
Mogg will get a week.
He won't get to PMQs.
At 8 am tomorrow, Brady will tell Boris that he has received 436 letters. Over 200 opposition MPs have crossed the floor and joined the Conservatives, just so they can send in a letter....
I wouldn't trust that polling as far as I could throw it but you carry on holding on to it like a drowning man holds on to a lifebelt.
Once you get into a leadership election, all bets are off - obviously, the key will be any polling showing how the different contenders would fare in a possible GE against Labour. After all, that's what won it for Johnson in 2019.
To an extent but less so than 2019 as the Tories now have a majority they didn't then.
Tory members will be looking for some rightwing red meat as reward for the majority the party won in 2019
I'd have thought the bigger question is which candidate would be the most likely to keep the Party in Government - wanting "right wing red meat" got you Hague, IDS and Howard - remind me how that worked out.
None of them led a party in government let alone with a big majority. The party is now in government, it wants some red meat for its power and Tory members will vote accordingly on who has a platform of hard Brexit and tax cuts
@NadineDorries · 2m I’m not sure anyone actually doubted this, however, I am 💯 behind @BorisJohnson the PM who consistently gets all the big decisions right.
Tromboning no doubt.....,
100% behind the PM, much like a soldier is 100% behind a sandbag.
@NadineDorries · 2m I’m not sure anyone actually doubted this, however, I am 💯 behind @BorisJohnson the PM who consistently gets all the big decisions right.
Tromboning no doubt.....,
100% behind the PM, much like a soldier is 100% behind a sandbag.
She has to be, no one will employ her to cut asparagus when the clown goes.
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
First few seasons were very good. Last two were disappointing.
Final season was better than the penultimate one though.
Last season was astonishingly good. I hated it to start with until I spoke with a friend of a friend who told me it was the most amazing thing he'd seen. He kept on about Robin Wright's "blank canvas" performance and how the whole thing is deliberately hugely disorienting and how it pulls your expectations inside out. I rewatched it. He was spot on. It's fucking genius. It went completely over my head the first time.
I wouldn't trust that polling as far as I could throw it but you carry on holding on to it like a drowning man holds on to a lifebelt.
Once you get into a leadership election, all bets are off - obviously, the key will be any polling showing how the different contenders would fare in a possible GE against Labour. After all, that's what won it for Johnson in 2019.
To an extent but less so than 2019 as the Tories now have a majority they didn't then.
Tory members will be looking for some rightwing red meat as reward for the majority the party won in 2019
I'd have thought the bigger question is which candidate would be the most likely to keep the Party in Government - wanting "right wing red meat" got you Hague, IDS and Howard - remind me how that worked out.
None of them led a party in government let alone with a big majority. The party is now in government, it wants some red meat for its power and Tory members will vote accordingly on who has a platform of hard Brexit and tax cuts
The policies that Tory members like HY want to see as red meat 1. Dorries to censor things 2. War with Europe 3. Benefits scroungers/claimants into the workhouse 4. Bring back hanging and death to anyone with a funny name.
I wouldn't trust that polling as far as I could throw it but you carry on holding on to it like a drowning man holds on to a lifebelt.
Once you get into a leadership election, all bets are off - obviously, the key will be any polling showing how the different contenders would fare in a possible GE against Labour. After all, that's what won it for Johnson in 2019.
To an extent but less so than 2019 as the Tories now have a majority they didn't then.
Tory members will be looking for some rightwing red meat as reward for the majority the party won in 2019
I'd have thought the bigger question is which candidate would be the most likely to keep the Party in Government - wanting "right wing red meat" got you Hague, IDS and Howard - remind me how that worked out.
None of them led a party in government let alone with a big majority. The party is now in government, it wants some red meat for its power and Tory members will vote accordingly on who has a platform of hard Brexit and tax cuts
The policies that Tory members like HY want to see as red meat 1. Dorries to censor things 2. War with Europe 3. Benefits scroungers/claimants into the workhouse 4. Bring back hanging and death to anyone with a funny name.
3 and 4 would be pretty hard on Tory MPs, esp., when you add the castration for sex offenders. Look on the nright side, lots of by-elections to argue about.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
@NadineDorries · 2m I’m not sure anyone actually doubted this, however, I am 💯 behind @BorisJohnson the PM who consistently gets all the big decisions right.
I do wonder if we might find out in a few years that Boris and Nadine are actually the John and Edwina of this era...
Is it conceivable that the only way to get shut will be Tories supporting VONC against government? No automatic GE will follow. Queen will call leader most likely to form a government so possibilities include: 1. No leadership campaign instead Tory MPs will have to agree on one candidate to avoid prolonged vote. 2. Temporary PM while leadership contest takes place (May?)
Tories have to be vary careful they don't precipitate an election by accident. Of course it is also possible that Starmer may go soon (before Boris??).
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuff
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shocking
As with many high-concept ideas, they run out of steam. The idea of a guy without experience being thrust into being the President works for a while, then it just becomes a poor knock off of the West Wing
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
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The true believers will do anything to keep their hero.
Yuo can carry on with your glass half full thinking, but at some point it really is going to be empty.
Thinking specifically of Mickey Fabricant - the thinking person's Boris Johnson.
Roger Taylor
Tim Henman
Andy Murray
And now, Cameron Norrie.
A very select group. Well done him.
Mordaunt 5.7
Tis a bitter pill; I shall not lie
2. Sunak isn't a liar
3. Johnson is a liar
And you believe the liar.
The next PM if Boris goes will almost certainly be one of Wallace, Truss or Mordaunt, probably Wallace
Final season was better than the penultimate one though.
https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-sixth-rishi-sunak/
I'm grateful to Sue Gray for her report and I sincerely repeat my apologies for the event I received a fine for.
The Prime Minister has apologised and lessons have been learned. I hope we can now move forward and continue delivering for the British people.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1529469852578197504?cxt=HHwWgMC9mceu4rkqAAAA
A great many members will be relieved to see the knife plunged into the front of Boris. 🔪
Very likely he'll go this year now but not 91% likely.
At 8 am tomorrow, Brady will tell Boris that he has received 436 letters. Over 200 opposition MPs have crossed the floor and joined the Conservatives, just so they can send in a letter....
You are in denial as to what is coming and it will not be the ERG dominated conservative party you hope for
Edit - one month in 1970. Appointed 20th June, died 20th July.
on Skynews.
https://duggee.fandom.com/wiki/Norrie
I hated it to start with until I spoke with a friend of a friend who told me it was the most amazing thing he'd seen. He kept on about Robin Wright's "blank canvas" performance and how the whole thing is deliberately hugely disorienting and how it pulls your expectations inside out. I rewatched it. He was spot on. It's fucking genius. It went completely over my head the first time.
You can all rest easy knowing I am green on the Next Con Leader market and will make £2.54 no matter what happens.
NEW: Tory vice chair
@BimAfolami
has just resigned his position live on
@TheNewsDesk
Here we go here we go!!!!
"I will go down with this ship"
1. Dorries to censor things
2. War with Europe
3. Benefits scroungers/claimants into the workhouse
4. Bring back hanging and death to anyone with a funny name.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/06/06/snap-poll-conservative-members-want-mps-vote-keep-
Carrion Regardless.
More please
Conservative mps need to stand up for integrity and honesty and reject Johnson and his acolytes
He's not going to make it to PMQs. Its done.
More a comment on me, sadly.
@KateEMcCann
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NEW: Tory vice chair
@BimAfolami
has just resigned his position live on
@TheNewsDesk
That’s 2 posters you have attacked without provocation
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
1. No leadership campaign instead Tory MPs will have to agree on one candidate to avoid prolonged vote.
2. Temporary PM while leadership contest takes place (May?)
Tories have to be vary careful they don't precipitate an election by accident. Of course it is also possible that Starmer may go soon (before Boris??).
Entertaining!