I'm probably missing something (I dabble in the betting side of politics, but hold my hands up as a rank amateur). Isn't Raab at 20/1 value for next PM? If Bojo goes tomorrow, surely he won't stay for the leadership election?
I don't think Rishi will do particularly well with the MPs given his dogma on spending and doesn't have much of a platform for the membership other than past charisma and his Leaverhood. That's before we get to his blow up last year.
Tugendhat is the British Marco Rubio.
Mordaunt, Wallace and Zahawi is who I'm keeping my eye on.
HYUFD is ALSO a former Remainer not in the Cabinet!
I am not seeking to be PM nor even in the Cabinet or Parliament, Remainers who are not still Boris loyalists are not going to lead the party anytime soon
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
Who is manning the banhammer this evening?
There is no ban hammer. Leon posts racist filth and they just quietly delete it and let him carry on.
Ban hammer mainly wielded for (1) use of c word or (2) anything that may attract legal consequences such as libel, defamation etc.
Loads of people have used the c word without being banned
Examples? OGH very anti this one.
Do a search, plenty of examples. I remember some of them happening too, so I know a lot of them didn't attract even a momentary ban. Nor should it, by the way. Seems weirdly Victorian to regard swearing as the worst of all crimes.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.
Even Widdecombe on BBC News is saying it is probably curtains.
RefUK wants him gone so they can pick up some of his voters!
I want him gone so the conservatives can regain the votes he is haemorrhaging
Whoever replaces Johnson needs to isolate the right wing extremists in the Tory party in the same way that Starmer has isolated the left wing extremists in the Labour party. Unless they want to be unelectable, of course.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.
I was actually thinking exactly that myself when I read 'New Management'!
I'm probably missing something (I dabble in the betting side of politics, but hold my hands up as a rank amateur). Isn't Raab at 20/1 value for next PM? If Bojo goes tomorrow, surely he won't stay for the leadership election?
ETA: I know this was mentioned a while back!
Absolutely. Johnson will flounce. Which makes Raaaaaab Prime Minister as they hold the Tory leadership assassination contest.
Honestly, can anyone think of one redeeming feature of this vile human being?
(It's worse for me because he also bears a close physical resemblance to a really nasty bully I once knew, a senior teacher - whom I had to blow the whistle on for various things which I won't detail. I didn't get him locked up, but the bile I had to endure while getting him disgraced has left deep scars. Every time I see Mogg I get flashbacks.)
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
I don't think Rishi will do particularly well with the MPs given his dogma on spending and doesn't have much of a platform for the membership other than past charisma and his Leaverhood. That's before we get to his blow up last year.
Tugendhat is the British Marco Rubio.
Mordaunt, Wallace and Zahawi is who I'm keeping my eye on.
What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.
I'm probably missing something (I dabble in the betting side of politics, but hold my hands up as a rank amateur). Isn't Raab at 20/1 value for next PM? If Bojo goes tomorrow, surely he won't stay for the leadership election?
ETA: I know this was mentioned a while back!
Absolutely. Johnson will flounce. Which makes Raaaaaab Prime Minister as they hold the Tory leadership assassination contest.
If he doesn’t flounce he stands a good chance of beating TMays time in office, so I suspect he might stick with it.
I also suspect he might appoint a female chancellor to try and distract from the imploding government with news of another “first”. Hopefully not Nadine…
What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.
I know a few of you are wondering what @HYUFD looks like. Wonder no more.
My word - in that picture he looks far younger and better dressed than we'd ever imagine.
No time to change clothes in between the Essex Militia’s training session for scaling Scottish mountains and tonight’s meeting of Epping Parish Council?
Will be interesting to see what's what, when there is some real post-Pincher polling available (not the ConHome tutti fruiti ice cream "survey") with respect to the impending Tory leadership race.
For one thing, should give some indication re: degree of anger by Boris loyalists (Luke 23:34) against those who stuck their shivs into Big Dog's mangy hide on the Evening of the Pen Knives.
Note similar situation mid-March just over 2065 years ago though w/o advantage of ConHome soundings.
Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.
It will take 24 hours.
The second Boris is gone the Only Tory in the Village will be 100% loyal behind his successor and saying how good it is he's been replaced. Nobody else wants Boris to stay.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.
I was actually thinking exactly that myself when I read 'New Management'!
Not my favourite Stross books. There’s only so much personal hatred I can deal with. Looking forward to the new Laundry though.
Honestly, can anyone think of one redeeming feature of this vile human being?
(It's worse for me because he also bears a close physical resemblance to a really nasty bully I once knew, a senior teacher - whom I had to blow the whistle on for various things which I won't detail. I didn't get him locked up, but the bile I had to endure while getting him disgraced has left deep scars. Every time I see Mogg I get flashbacks.)
He'll be back in the rear hosting irritable weirdo club meetings again soon enough
What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.
Paul Staines
I don't think he does, even he has had moments of being a bit cool on him. He prefers him to others, but is not a superfan.
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuff
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shocking
Yes, it dragged on far too long.
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
How so?
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
Even Widdecombe on BBC News is saying it is probably curtains.
RefUK wants him gone so they can pick up some of his voters!
I want him gone so the conservatives can regain the votes he is haemorrhaging
Dream on, my friend.
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.
Except for the fact that virtually the whole population thinks that JRM is a vain nincompoop and isn't taken seriously. If BoJo goes and JRM exits the cabinet that will boost the buggers.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
The public gave Boris 5 years as PM.
But in the small print, the public also said he can carry on as long as he isn't a lying twat.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
Quesiton - would you have described them as wets yesterday?
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
That's not how our system works.
Yes it is, only MPs under our system get any say on next PM between general elections and party members now too under the Tory and Labour leadership rules of the 21st century
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
Quesiton - would you have described them as wets yesterday?
Relatively yes, they are the Heseltines of today or the David Milibands in Labour terms
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
That's not how our system works.
The nub of the problem is our system isn't working right now.
Isn’t that the plan? Get them to rally around Boris.
Depends. Tories sell that as we do what is needed whllst the opposition play childish games.
How do? This government is clearly not something anyone has confidence in. Labour can vote for the motion with integrity. The 1922 failed. It’s the Tories that would struggle.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuff
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shocking
Yes, it dragged on far too long.
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
How so?
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
I think you’ve forgotten what core Tory values were when they were a respectable and respected party, i.e. before Brexit.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she won
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
Quesiton - would you have described them as wets yesterday?
Relatively yes, they are the Heseltines of today or the David Milibands in Labour terms
HYUFD is a "wet" - he voted to stay in the EU, after all!
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
That's not how our system works.
As King John discovered . . . at a big dog trot called Runnymede in 1214.
Divine right has never really been all it's cracked up to be by enthusiasts.
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
Who is manning the banhammer this evening?
There is no ban hammer. Leon posts racist filth and they just quietly delete it and let him carry on.
Citation?
Citation is fuck off you vile piece of excrement
You are embarrassing yourself. Stop
What you going to do, call me a T--g? Get in the sea you numpty.
No, I will calmly suggest that this might not be the best time to return to PB, if you are so volatile
I'm not sticking around long, don't you worry.
I am actually a tiny bit worried. You don’t seem happy at all
So, this is a genuine attempt to BE NICE to you
I remember we have had good chats in the past, Recall how we share a dislike of horrible loud motorbike exhausts! Stay and be friends with people, if you can; but if all you feel able to do is spit hatred and bile then I suggest that’s not great. For you. Is all
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25
I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?
Conservative MPs get elected to implement Conservative ideology, otherwise there is no point to being in power at all if you are just going to be a Blue Labour government. May as well let Starmer get in and return to true Tory principles. As far as most Tory members are concerned, Boris' main problem is he has not been Tory enough!
The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuff
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shocking
Yes, it dragged on far too long.
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
How so?
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
I think you've got that wrong. Under the US Constitution the person chosen to act as President acts as such until the President recovers (impossible if they're dead) or until the next election.
The new Speaker wouldn't become higher up the list since there'd be no vacancy for acting President with the role already filled by Kirkman. The law doesn't provide for the acting President to be bumped out of the role by someone else.
In reality when the old President is dead "acting as President" is taken to mean being inaugurated as President. The Veep originally only acted as President too, but that was taken to mean inaugurated the first time it happened.
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she won
He has not gone yet. He is the Houdini of politics. How many other times has he been doomed. On the basis of my comments I give him 5 min.
"It is just flipping unbelievable. He is a mixture of Harry Houdini and a greased piglet. He is barely human in his elusiveness. Nailing Blair BORIS is like trying to pin jelly to a wall."
Even Widdecombe on BBC News is saying it is probably curtains.
RefUK wants him gone so they can pick up some of his voters!
I want him gone so the conservatives can regain the votes he is haemorrhaging
Dream on, my friend.
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on it
Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc. Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the public
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she won
And then 1997 happened...
With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensus
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The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.
ETA: I know this was mentioned a while back!
Tugendhat is the British Marco Rubio.
Mordaunt, Wallace and Zahawi is who I'm keeping my eye on.
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.
These people are on drugs.
A lot can happen in that time. Good and bad.
As predicted.
Johnson will do longer than that?
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.
Nothing will unite the tories more than a VONC
Honestly, can anyone think of one redeeming feature of this vile human being?
(It's worse for me because he also bears a close physical resemblance to a really nasty bully I once knew, a senior teacher - whom I had to blow the whistle on for various things which I won't detail. I didn't get him locked up, but the bile I had to endure while getting him disgraced has left deep scars. Every time I see Mogg I get flashbacks.)
I also suspect he might appoint a female chancellor to try and distract from the imploding government with news of another “first”. Hopefully not Nadine…
That's about it.
Doubt we can put Carrie that list these days.
A no-brainier for them, really.
For one thing, should give some indication re: degree of anger by Boris loyalists (Luke 23:34) against those who stuck their shivs into Big Dog's mangy hide on the Evening of the Pen Knives.
Note similar situation mid-March just over 2065 years ago though w/o advantage of ConHome soundings.
The second Boris is gone the Only Tory in the Village will be 100% loyal behind his successor and saying how good it is he's been replaced. Nobody else wants Boris to stay.
Bim Afolami MP has announced his resignation on TalkTV:
He said: “I don’t think the prime minister no longer has not just my support, but the party and the country.
“And for that reason I think he should step down.”
On his own position, he said: “You have to resign, I can’t serve under the prime minister.”
Incidentally, he's the MP for Hitchin & Harpenden, which is considered by many to be a Liberal Democrat target.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
But in the small print, the public also said he can carry on as long as he isn't a lying twat.
So permission revoked.
My [Big] Dog Has Fleas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXLWkuaZkOg
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
Douglas Ross has NOT changed his position on Boris today. We've seen everything now.
Divine right has never really been all it's cracked up to be by enthusiasts.
So, this is a genuine attempt to BE NICE to you
I remember we have had good chats in the past, Recall how we share a dislike of horrible loud motorbike exhausts! Stay and be friends with people, if you can; but if all you feel able to do is spit hatred and bile then I suggest that’s not great. For you. Is all
The new Speaker wouldn't become higher up the list since there'd be no vacancy for acting President with the role already filled by Kirkman. The law doesn't provide for the acting President to be bumped out of the role by someone else.
In reality when the old President is dead "acting as President" is taken to mean being inaugurated as President. The Veep originally only acted as President too, but that was taken to mean inaugurated the first time it happened.
He won’t last