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The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,163
edited July 2022 in General
The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com

Some in No 10 braced for further ministerial resignations. Tory allies of the PM feeling inevitability, this could be the end. Many not as bullish as they have been at previous crisis moments.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Beth Rigby playing a blinder on Skynews.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    edited July 2022
    Fourth.

    As in “go fourth and multiply, Boris”.

    Not that he really needs any encouragement to do the latter.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    edited July 2022
    🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:

    "I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:

    "I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865

    HTF does that work given that Bozo is the one who writes a cheque to fix every issue...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    That last thread was short but exciting.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Lord North did PM and CotE in parallel. Bojo to the treasury.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Farooq said:

    Is he dead in a ditch yet?

    Welcome back Farooq!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    C'mon Penny, get that letter in....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1544378746312048641
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    The £ would freefall into oblivion if he puts Nad in at CoE.

    As the Ragin Cajun once said: "I want to come back in the next life as the bond markets".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    Reading the letters again, they are interestingly different.

    Javid opens by reminding Boris he was asked back into Cabinet, then spends 3 paragraphs on self congratulatory NHS wank. Then there is one long paragraph summed up by the idea they should be competent even if not popular. Followed by thanking Boris for seeing of Corbyn, and laughable claim to have been a friend to Boris. He doesn't actually talk directly about resigning until the 4th paragraph.

    Sunak by contast opens with his resignation. He then plays the martyr a bit about it being a difficult time to stand down, probably to jsutify why he did nothing before now. One paragraph about lack of competence with more martyr talk about it being his last job perhaps, then overwrought protestation that he had been loyal boss. Interestingly he admits to disagreeing privately on things he defended publicly, probably a signal of his intention to go in a new direction, which he builds on in the next paragraph.

    Sunak's looks more of a leadership pitch to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    solarflare said:

    That last thread was short but exciting.

    I'm having flashbacks to the Saturday night and Sunday of June 25/26 2016.

    I think I published about 12 threads in 12 hours, certainly felt like it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    Scott_xP said:

    only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1544378746312048641

    So did May - she really ran out of options by the end. Although she also started out with Boris...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lord North did PM and CotE in parallel. Bojo to the treasury.

    Or he could be the whole cabinet assisted by JRM and Mad Nad.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Jacob Rees Mogg: “It is not true that we have received news of a rout by Zulu natives at Isandlwana”

    Mogg always has his finger on the pulse.

    #PinchGate #BorisMustGo     https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1544374357442584576
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,781
    kle4 said:

    Reading the letters again, they are interestingly different.

    Javid opens by reminding Boris he was asked back into Cabinet, then spends 3 paragraphs on self congratulatory NHS wank. Then there is one long paragraph summed up by the idea they should be competent even if not popular. Followed by thanking Boris for seeing of Corbyn, and laughable claim to have been a friend to Boris. He doesn't actually talk directly about resigning until the 4th paragraph.

    Sunak by contast opens with his resignation. He then plays the martyr a bit about it being a difficult time to stand down, probably to jsutify why he did nothing before now. One paragraph about lack of competence with more martyr talk about it being his last job perhaps, then overwrought protestation that he had been loyal boss. Interestingly he admits to disagreeing privately on things he defended publicly, probably a signal of his intention to go in a new direction, which he builds on in the next paragraph.

    Sunak's looks more of a leadership pitch to me.

    I thought Sunak's was a bit Me Me whereas Javid's had a bit more gravitas.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Revolting? They're downright disgusting!
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:

    "I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865

    How big an idiot would you have to be to believe a word Johnson said?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    "Johnson has more vacancies than an out of season seaside boarding house"

    Bridgen MP.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2022
    So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.

    So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    rottenborough said:

    "Johnson has more vacancies than an out of season seaside boarding house"

    Bridgen MP.

    Andrew Bridgen really shouldn’t go around calling others vacant.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    I think Truss has killed off her chances this evening. Tory MPs aren’t going to give one of the Boris bunker holdouts a place in the final two.

    Sajid has timed his sprint well. Puts him in contention. Hunt is irrelevant. Mordaunt the Major/Starmer style compromise candidate. Rishi too little too late but could be the winner’s CoE.

    Out of that lot the most likely to repair our relations and reputation abroad is probably Javid.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,284
    Good evening PB.

    Has there been some interesting developments?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    mickydroy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Johnson is not Thatcher.

    He's a corrupt twat who has no compunction about burning the Conservative Party to the ground, in order to cling to office a few days longer.

    He has no loyalty to the Conservative Party, and they should have none to him.
    This is the real problem for the party now imho. Thatcher DID step aside and that meant John Major could go on to win, famously, in 1992 with the largest vote by any party in British history. I mention that last bit for HY's benefit.

    So does Johnson drag down the party now? Or give them at least a fighting chance at the next GE?
    Major also then led the Tories to their worst landslide defeat since 1832 in 1997 however and the bitterness of Thatcher's toppling helped wreck his government and keep the Tories in opposition for a decade
    Large numbers of Conservatives admired Thatcher. Few people admired Major, but many liked him.

    Johnson is neither admired, nor liked, by many Conservatives, now. The views of non-Conservatives can easily be guessed. No one will be bitter over his departure. He is an embarrassment to his MP's.
    Some of the redwallers still voting Tory are only doing so because Johnson is leader however.

    All that shows is sadly, large swathes of the British electorate need educating on current affairs
    HYUFD may be right that some redwallers are only voting Tory because Boris is leader. But he has always been weirdly pessimistic about anyone else even having a chance of winning them over.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Farooq said:

    londonpubman said:

    Farooq said:

    Is he dead in a ditch yet?

    Welcome back Farooq!
    piss off
    💚💚
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,631
    Scott_xP said:

    only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1544378746312048641

    Does anyone still remember people like Hazel Blears and James Purnell?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    HYUFD said:

    So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.

    So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!

    It doesn't worry you that the two clearly most competent ministers have gone?

    There is only Wallace left who can be considered to have ability beyond one cabinet.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Blimey, even David Frost supports Rishi and Javid
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:

    The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
    The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did Boris

    Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is Sturgeon

    Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
    Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.

    Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
    FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.

    BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.

    For real?...oh I see, figuratively speaking.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    HYUFD said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A

    Great - I look forward to him losing his seat
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Michael Gove is key, I think. Maybe Boris can survive if he can persuade him to become CoE, but Gove hasn't been conspicuous with his support recently.

    Wallace is right to stay as Her Majesty's defence minister, given the Ukraine situation. We really can't afford any discontinuity there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    HYUFD said:

    So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.

    So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!

    Sunak was not a remainer - do you honestly believe his resignation could be termed a coup by remainers?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,999
    edited July 2022
    A statement from me. In short,
    @RishiSunak
    and
    @sajidjavid
    have done the right thing.

    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1544379667133734917?s=20&t=iKLPp_fivQasI0IyRzvPsQ
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    HYUFD said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A

    Oh, so why does not the Scottish Government double mandate to have a referendum count?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Razedabode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A

    Great - I look forward to him losing his seat
    He won't, even on current polls
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Andrew Bridgen has just said that the Government has more vacancies than an out of season seaside boarding house! He could have said any soft fruits farm in the UK without any EU labour.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,781
    MISTY said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:

    "I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865

    How big an idiot would you have to be to believe a word Johnson said?
    17.4mn of them at the last count.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    So Boris can do a May and pre announce his resignation in 2023. That’s about his best card to play.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Mordaunt still fav on BF tonight
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    July 4th: America celebrates its independence from Britain
    July 5th: Britain celebrates its independence from Boris?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    Betfair Boris to go in 2022 now back out to 1.15 from a low tonight of 1.09.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Michael Gove is key, I think. Maybe Boris can survive if he can persuade him to become CoE, but Gove hasn't been conspicuous with his support recently.

    Wallace is right to stay as Her Majesty's defence minister, given the Ukraine situation. We really can't afford any discontinuity there.

    Mad Nad for chancellor.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    williamglenn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1544378746312048641

    Does anyone still remember people like Hazel Blears and James Purnell?
    Do we know if Charlie Falconer has resigned?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MISTY said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:

    "I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865

    How big an idiot would you have to be to believe a word Johnson said?
    17.4mn of them at the last count.
    not so many now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:

    The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
    The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did Boris

    Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is Sturgeon

    Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
    Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.

    Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
    FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.

    BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
    Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Michael Gove is NOT resigning - aide
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1544380538194214915
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,039
    HYUFD said:

    So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.

    So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!

    Andrew Bridgen has just said even arch former Johnson loyalists on the backbenchers want him gone and he will be by the summer recess
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Scott_xP said:

    Michael Gove is NOT resigning - aide
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1544380538194214915

    So he may survive then, Gove to the Treasury
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,806
    Scott_xP said:

    An anonymous source tells me: “can’t believe he’s been brought down by a sex scandal not involving himself”
    https://twitter.com/RMCunliffe/status/1544379921664966657

    But a hattrick of sackings for lying is an achievement in itself
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    That's all the fun done folks


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Michael Gove is NOT resigning - aide
    6:59 PM · Jul 5, 2022·Twitter Web App
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Heseltine is twisting the knife with considerable elan…
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    GIN1138 said:

    Good evening PB.

    Has there been some interesting developments?

    Yeah a very well known kebab shop in Belfast is shutting its doors. Sad news for the many students who live nearby,
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A statement from me. In short,
    @RishiSunak
    and
    @sajidjavid
    have done the right thing.

    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1544379667133734917?s=20&t=iKLPp_fivQasI0IyRzvPsQ

    That kills any hopes the PM had of keeping the right wing doesn’t it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    HYUFD said:

    Razedabode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A

    Great - I look forward to him losing his seat
    He won't, even on current polls
    I was going to say what about if the Tories do even worse if Boris goes, which you are predicting, but he's safe even then.

    That said, for a man who pretends to constitutionalism, he knows damn well that PMs do not get a personal mandate under our system - he has talked such talk before, and far from being a conservative he appears to be an extreme radical, evne revolutionary, in his perception of the British system.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Gove, Coffey and Zahawi yet to declare.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Er... I think this very smudged photo means Andrew Murrison is resigning as a trade envoy? https://twitter.com/AWMurrison/status/1544380831178825733
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?
    Starmer?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Bloody Gove you tosser
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    rottenborough said:

    Mordaunt still fav on BF tonight

    If Boris goes and Wallace gets to the final 2 he would beat all opponents with the membership, including Mordaunt, based on yesterday's Conhome surveys
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    rottenborough said:

    The £ would freefall into oblivion if he puts Nad in at CoE.

    As the Ragin Cajun once said: "I want to come back in the next life as the bond markets".

    He won't do that.

    Dorries much more likely to end up as Health Secretary.

    Unless he brings back Hancock.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    edited July 2022
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:

    "I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865

    HTF does that work given that Bozo is the one who writes a cheque to fix every issue...
    Sunak and Johnson will now blame each other for high tax and high spend. Like the gif of the two Spidermen pointing at each other.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A statement from me. In short,
    @RishiSunak
    and
    @sajidjavid
    have done the right thing.

    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1544379667133734917?s=20&t=iKLPp_fivQasI0IyRzvPsQ

    Oh!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A

    Oh, so why does not the Scottish Government double mandate to have a referendum count?
    As 2014 was once in a generation and Westminster alone gets the final say on the Union
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
    Macmillan in 1957 or 58.

    Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.

    So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!

    Sunak was not a remainer - do you honestly believe his resignation could be termed a coup by remainers?
    Truth doesn’t matter. It can be be manipulated as and when required.

    Loyalty is the only thing that matters.

    The bastards are running the show. They’re destroying their party, and the country.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Patel/Gove? Could that work?

    Neither are innocent in all this. Nobody would argue surely.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    Scott_xP said:

    An anonymous source tells me: “can’t believe he’s been brought down by a sex scandal not involving himself”
    https://twitter.com/RMCunliffe/status/1544379921664966657

    Except it does. He's been lying about what he knew about it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,059
    The lies over Pincher seemed so unnecessary, almost trivial compared to so much else, but the straw that breaks the camel’s back doesn’t have to be very heavy.

    Now we wait to see how long Johnson thinks he can ride a camel with a broken back…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:

    The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
    The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did Boris

    Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is Sturgeon

    Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
    Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.

    Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
    FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.

    BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
    Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68
    If that meteor hadn't hit Yucatan 65myrs ago, you wouldn't be posting this stuff.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
    Macmillan in 1957 or 58.

    Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.
    Ta
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    pigeon said:

    rottenborough said:

    The £ would freefall into oblivion if he puts Nad in at CoE.

    As the Ragin Cajun once said: "I want to come back in the next life as the bond markets".

    He won't do that.

    Dorries much more likely to end up as Health Secretary.

    Unless he brings back Hancock.
    Oh Jeez, I hadn't thought of that. Old Mr Handy is desperate enough to say 'yes'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    bondegezou said:

    The lies over Pincher seemed so unnecessary, almost trivial compared to so much else, but the straw that breaks the camel’s back doesn’t have to be very heavy.

    Now we wait to see how long Johnson thinks he can ride a camel with a broken back…

    That’s not a very polite way of referring to Carrie.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A

    Oh, so why does not the Scottish Government double mandate to have a referendum count?
    As 2014 was once in a generation and Westminster alone gets the final say on the Union
    Have another brazil nut.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
    Macmillan in 1957 or 58.

    Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.
    Plus Thatcher when Lawson resigned in 1989 for a year
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Has Beth dressed for a funeral?

    Can't think why.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Andrew Murrison Trade envoy to Morocco resigns. Big fish coming in now!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Rishi Sunak is your new 4/1 favourite for next Tory leader

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-conservative-party-leader/228826373/all-markets https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1544381935601975296/photo/1
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Fuck me, the Trade Envoy to Morocco. GONE
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    Get the 22 to change the rules tonight. New vote tomorrow evening. No way he survives a vote again.

    Anyone accepting a role in Boris's reshuffled Cabinet has a very short career ahead of them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Truss will not now be leader.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,788
    Pathetic lack of follow up.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
    Macmillan in 1957 or 58.

    Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.
    Ta
    Thatcher survived for a year after Lawson resigned.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
    Nothing fundamental has changed. Johnson will reshuffle and carry on.

    The cabinet won't get rid of him. Too many of them know their ministerial careers are over five minutes after a change of leadership. It will take a large majority of the backbenchers to conclude that Johnson is an electoral liability and force him out through a change of rules and another confidence vote. So long as they are split, dithering and wetting their knickers, he's perfectly safe.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    wooliedyed said:

    Andrew Murrison Trade envoy to Morocco resigns. Big fish coming in now!

    He’s my MP. Glad he’s taken a stand.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
    https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920

    Who is left to resign?

    ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
    Macmillan in 1957 or 58.

    Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.
    Ta
    I thought Wilson might be another example but Callaghan was reshuffled rather than resigning.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    The Tories are split in two. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,284
    ydoethur said:

    Heseltine is twisting the knife with considerable elan…

    Doesn't he always...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    MarqueeMark said:

    Get the 22 to change the rules tonight. New vote tomorrow evening. No way he survives a vote again.

    Anyone accepting a role in Boris's reshuffled Cabinet has a very short career ahead of them.

    From earlier today the plan seemed to be 1922 elections next week - then the 1922 committee change the rules immediately...

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    rottenborough said:

    Truss will not now be leader.

    The good news just keeps coming.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    HYUFD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:

    The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
    The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did Boris

    Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is Sturgeon

    Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
    Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.

    Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
    FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.

    BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
    Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68
    If that meteor hadn't hit Yucatan 65myrs ago, you wouldn't be posting this stuff.
    He would.

    He'd be head dinosaur!
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    To be fair, if resignations come from lower ranks there won’t be many people left who’ll want to serve

    Good luck to those staying loyal trying to stick it out
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