The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com
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You are being too generous.Daveyboy1961 said:I'm calling it.....Jacob Smug is a T*t of the first water.
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How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.0 -
I honestly cannot tell if you are joking.RochdalePioneers said:Moggy says Johnson will do longer than Walpole
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You are about 5 years too late...Daveyboy1961 said:I'm calling it.....Jacob Smug is a T*t of the first water.
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Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch4 -
Tax cuts to pay for themselves then.
As predicted.0 -
Scott David Martin Walpole got 51 months at Her Majesty's pleasure. https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17737333.extra-jail-term-atm-raider/RochdalePioneers said:Moggy says Johnson will do longer than Walpole
Johnson will do longer than that?1 -
What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.2 -
Whoever replaces Johnson needs to isolate the right wing extremists in the Tory party in the same way that Starmer has isolated the left wing extremists in the Labour party. Unless they want to be unelectable, of course.Big_G_NorthWales said:3 -
That will boost Sunak with the electorate.rottenborough said:Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.0 -
I was actually thinking exactly that myself when I read 'New Management'!OnboardG1 said:
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.DavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.1 -
Absolutely. Johnson will flounce. Which makes Raaaaaab Prime Minister as they hold the Tory leadership assassination contest.maxh said:I'm probably missing something (I dabble in the betting side of politics, but hold my hands up as a rank amateur). Isn't Raab at 20/1 value for next PM? If Bojo goes tomorrow, surely he won't stay for the leadership election?
ETA: I know this was mentioned a while back!0 -
No, it might push them behind idiot boy. He needs to go for the good of the country, Labour just need to sit back and enjoy it, pile on afterJonathan said:So should Starmer table a VONC?
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No ones buying what JRM is trying to sell...1
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He really is a twat.RochdalePioneers said:Moggy says Johnson will do longer than Walpole
Honestly, can anyone think of one redeeming feature of this vile human being?
(It's worse for me because he also bears a close physical resemblance to a really nasty bully I once knew, a senior teacher - whom I had to blow the whistle on for various things which I won't detail. I didn't get him locked up, but the bile I had to endure while getting him disgraced has left deep scars. Every time I see Mogg I get flashbacks.)2 -
I dont' say this lightly, but that is Trumpish.rottenborough said:Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.0 -
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch-1 -
No word from any of them so far tonightCasino_Royale said:I don't think Rishi will do particularly well with the MPs given his dogma on spending and doesn't have much of a platform for the membership other than past charisma and his Leaverhood. That's before we get to his blow up last year.
Tugendhat is the British Marco Rubio.
Mordaunt, Wallace and Zahawi is who I'm keeping my eye on.0 -
FTFYydoethur said:
I fear that ship has not only sailed but already docked at its destination sank.Big_G_NorthWales said:
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Paul StainesStuartinromford said:What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.1 -
Typo in your last word there.rottenborough said:Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.10 -
I want him gone because he's a lying corrupt chancer who's driving the country over a cliff.Big_G_NorthWales said:3 -
If he doesn’t flounce he stands a good chance of beating TMays time in office, so I suspect he might stick with it.RochdalePioneers said:
Absolutely. Johnson will flounce. Which makes Raaaaaab Prime Minister as they hold the Tory leadership assassination contest.maxh said:I'm probably missing something (I dabble in the betting side of politics, but hold my hands up as a rank amateur). Isn't Raab at 20/1 value for next PM? If Bojo goes tomorrow, surely he won't stay for the leadership election?
ETA: I know this was mentioned a while back!
I also suspect he might appoint a female chancellor to try and distract from the imploding government with news of another “first”. Hopefully not Nadine…
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He's being polite, for OGH's benefit.Casino_Royale said:
Typo in your last word there.rottenborough said:Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.1 -
His sister?Stuartinromford said:What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.
That's about it.
Doubt we can put Carrie that list these days.1 -
No time to change clothes in between the Essex Militia’s training session for scaling Scottish mountains and tonight’s meeting of Epping Parish Council?Omnium said:
My word - in that picture he looks far younger and better dressed than we'd ever imagine.Fairliered said:I know a few of you are wondering what @HYUFD looks like. Wonder no more.
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Will be interesting to see what's what, when there is some real post-Pincher polling available (not the ConHome tutti fruiti ice cream "survey") with respect to the impending Tory leadership race.
For one thing, should give some indication re: degree of anger by Boris loyalists (Luke 23:34) against those who stuck their shivs into Big Dog's mangy hide on the Evening of the Pen Knives.
Note similar situation mid-March just over 2065 years ago though w/o advantage of ConHome soundings.
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It will take 24 hours.rottenborough said:Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
The Tories will take twenty years in opposition to drain the hate they now have and all because of a cult.
The second Boris is gone the Only Tory in the Village will be 100% loyal behind his successor and saying how good it is he's been replaced. Nobody else wants Boris to stay.4 -
Not my favourite Stross books. There’s only so much personal hatred I can deal with. Looking forward to the new Laundry though.Carnyx said:
I was actually thinking exactly that myself when I read 'New Management'!OnboardG1 said:
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.DavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.1 -
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Wallace will run face first into the hustings, and sink without trace I suspect.HYUFD said:
Even the Yougov Tory members poll I posted and you ignored had Sunak failing to even make the top 3 and Wallace and Truss the clear frontrunnersBig_G_NorthWales said:
I would just comment that the Conhome polls you so devotedly parrot average just over 700 members and in my case non membersHYUFD said:
No they haven't, not since the tax rises Sunak put up, which even you opposed, he has collapsed into oblivion with Tory members.BartholomewRoberts said:
They will.HYUFD said:
They won't change amongst Tory members who have the final sayBartholomewRoberts said:
Sunak will blame the tax rise on Boris.HYUFD said:
No they haven't at all. The Tory membership will want a pro hard Brexit, tax cutter as PM, not tax rising Sunak as leaderBartholomewRoberts said:
That poll is entirely meaningless tonight. The principled resignations has shaken that up completely.HYUFD said:
Which is ludicrous given he would not get past the Tory membership.Scott_xP said:Rishi Sunak is your new 4/1 favourite for next Tory leader
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-conservative-party-leader/228826373/all-markets https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1544381935601975296/photo/1
Truss beat Sunak 50% to 35%, Mordaunt beat Sunak 50% to 33% and Wallace beat Sunak 59% to 25% in Conhome's survey this week
https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-sixth-rishi-sunak/
Your inability to see that polls change is your downfall.
They've moved a lot in past 12 months. Why would they magically freeze now?
The next PM if Boris goes will almost certainly be one of Wallace, Truss or Mordaunt, probably Wallace
You are in denial as to what is coming and it will not be the ERG dominated conservative party you hope for
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He said he wanted a third term. I wonder if he wants to serve them concurrently?BartholomewRoberts said:
Scott David Martin Walpole got 51 months at Her Majesty's pleasure. https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17737333.extra-jail-term-atm-raider/RochdalePioneers said:Moggy says Johnson will do longer than Walpole
Johnson will do longer than that?4 -
Tory Party Vice-Chairman Bim Afolami has resigned. From the Graun:
Bim Afolami MP has announced his resignation on TalkTV:
He said: “I don’t think the prime minister no longer has not just my support, but the party and the country.
“And for that reason I think he should step down.”
On his own position, he said: “You have to resign, I can’t serve under the prime minister.”
Incidentally, he's the MP for Hitchin & Harpenden, which is considered by many to be a Liberal Democrat target.1 -
He'll be back in the rear hosting irritable weirdo club meetings again soon enoughydoethur said:
He really is a twat.RochdalePioneers said:Moggy says Johnson will do longer than Walpole
Honestly, can anyone think of one redeeming feature of this vile human being?
(It's worse for me because he also bears a close physical resemblance to a really nasty bully I once knew, a senior teacher - whom I had to blow the whistle on for various things which I won't detail. I didn't get him locked up, but the bile I had to endure while getting him disgraced has left deep scars. Every time I see Mogg I get flashbacks.)0 -
I don't think he does, even he has had moments of being a bit cool on him. He prefers him to others, but is not a superfan.CatMan said:
Paul StainesStuartinromford said:What should happen now is the Denis solution. Someone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts, needs to tell the PM that the game is up. Tomorrow's PMQs and Liason Committee are the swansong- even now, he just about deserves that.
Is there anyone who loves the PM for who they are, who the PM trusts? I don't know.0 -
No, I will calmly suggest that this might not be the best time to return to PB, if you are so volatileFarooq said:1 -
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.MPartridge said:
How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.0 -
That's not how our system works.HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch0 -
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…0 -
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway0 -
So is H P Lovecraft, but never mindOnboardG1 said:
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.DavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference. 2 -
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Except for the fact that virtually the whole population thinks that JRM is a vain nincompoop and isn't taken seriously. If BoJo goes and JRM exits the cabinet that will boost the buggers.rottenborough said:Mogg now saying basically 'good riddance to Sunak, he was rubbish'
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The public gave Boris 5 years as PM.HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
But in the small print, the public also said he can carry on as long as he isn't a lying twat.
So permission revoked.4 -
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Quesiton - would you have described them as wets yesterday?HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
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Yes it is, only MPs under our system get any say on next PM between general elections and party members now too under the Tory and Labour leadership rules of the 21st centuryBartholomewRoberts said:
That's not how our system works.HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
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The country can tolerate him for a while longer if it makes the destruction of the Bluekip Tory party more complete. VoNC please!wooliedyed said:
No, it might push them behind idiot boy. He needs to go for the good of the country, Labour just need to sit back and enjoy it, pile on afterJonathan said:So should Starmer table a VONC?
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Coffey staying.0
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Even Gullis wants Johnson to go.0
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Relatively yes, they are the Heseltines of today or the David Milibands in Labour termskle4 said:
Quesiton - would you have described them as wets yesterday?HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
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The nub of the problem is our system isn't working right now.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's not how our system works.HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
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How do? This government is clearly not something anyone has confidence in. Labour can vote for the motion with integrity. The 1922 failed. It’s the Tories that would struggle.wooliedyed said:
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I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?
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Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
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Ahh i didn't know that, thanks for clearing it upydoethur said:
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.MPartridge said:
How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.0 -
He has not gone yet. He is the Houdini of politics. How many other times has he been doomed. On the basis of my comments I give him 5 min.0
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Breaking news on this remarkable day
Douglas Ross has NOT changed his position on Boris today. We've seen everything now.11 -
Coffey stays.0
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hmmm this might be running out of steam for now.dixiedean said:Coffey staying.
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I think you’ve forgotten what core Tory values were when they were a respectable and respected party, i.e. before Brexit.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway0 -
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.0 -
HYUFD is a "wet" - he voted to stay in the EU, after all!HYUFD said:
Relatively yes, they are the Heseltines of today or the David Milibands in Labour termskle4 said:
Quesiton - would you have described them as wets yesterday?HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
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As King John discovered . . . at a big dog trot called Runnymede in 1214.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's not how our system works.HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
Divine right has never really been all it's cracked up to be by enthusiasts.1 -
I am actually a tiny bit worried. You don’t seem happy at allFarooq said:
I'm not sticking around long, don't you worry.Leon said:
No, I will calmly suggest that this might not be the best time to return to PB, if you are so volatileFarooq said:
So, this is a genuine attempt to BE NICE to you
I remember we have had good chats in the past, Recall how we share a dislike of horrible loud motorbike exhausts! Stay and be friends with people, if you can; but if all you feel able to do is spit hatred and bile then I suggest that’s not great. For you. Is all
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Conservative MPs get elected to implement Conservative ideology, otherwise there is no point to being in power at all if you are just going to be a Blue Labour government. May as well let Starmer get in and return to true Tory principles. As far as most Tory members are concerned, Boris' main problem is he has not been Tory enough!Razedabode said:
I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?0 -
I think you've got that wrong. Under the US Constitution the person chosen to act as President acts as such until the President recovers (impossible if they're dead) or until the next election.ydoethur said:
Under the Presidential Succession Act, anyone other than the Veep can only be acting President ('shall then act as President') and can be 'bumped' if someone higher up the order becomes available.MPartridge said:
How so?ydoethur said:
Yes, it dragged on far too long.MPartridge said:
Better the Designated Survivor, started watching that 1st series very good, 2nd so so, 3rd series shockingFishing said:
Series 1, 4 and 5 are good. 2 and 3 are too slow and self-consciously arty. And the ending is just dismal.MPartridge said:
Agreed, just got onto Series 5, splendid stuffFarooq said:The American House of Cards was way better then the British one
It's also based on a false premise, which slightly annoys me.
So Kirkman would have been acting President, and when Congress elected Hoogstraten Speaker she would have become acting President in turn while fresh elections were held, then a new President would have taken office.
It's not a clever piece of drafting, but that is the law.
The new Speaker wouldn't become higher up the list since there'd be no vacancy for acting President with the role already filled by Kirkman. The law doesn't provide for the acting President to be bumped out of the role by someone else.
In reality when the old President is dead "acting as President" is taken to mean being inaugurated as President. The Veep originally only acted as President too, but that was taken to mean inaugurated the first time it happened.0 -
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.0 -
"It is just flipping unbelievable. He is a mixture of Harry Houdini and a greased piglet. He is barely human in his elusiveness. Nailing Blair BORIS is like trying to pin jelly to a wall."kjh said:He has not gone yet. He is the Houdini of politics. How many other times has he been doomed. On the basis of my comments I give him 5 min.
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Might have an omelette tonight.0
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Gullis and Bhatti quit as PPSs. Six resignations in 2 hours1
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He’s very impressive, but if I understand correctly he went to Eton and we probably need some kind of de-Ba’athification of those megalomaniac crooks.pigeon said:Tory Party Vice-Chairman Bim Afolami has resigned. From the Graun:
Bim Afolami MP has announced his resignation on TalkTV:
He said: “I don’t think the prime minister no longer has not just my support, but the party and the country.
“And for that reason I think he should step down.”
On his own position, he said: “You have to resign, I can’t serve under the prime minister.”
Incidentally, he's the MP for Hitchin & Harpenden, which is considered by many to be a Liberal Democrat target.1 -
That’s fine. He can plod on with his ridiculously crap cabinet with barely any support from his backbenchers.kjh said:He has not gone yet. He is the Houdini of politics. How many other times has he been doomed. On the basis of my comments I give him 5 min.
He won’t last
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I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on itIanB2 said:
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
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With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensusSlackbladder said:
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
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Hmmm....Carnyx said:
I was actually thinking exactly that myself when I read 'New Management'!OnboardG1 said:
I wasn’t aware that Nyarlathotep was a Tory MP.DavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
I appreciate that’s an obscure reference.
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Saqib Bhatti (who he?) goes:
The Conservative party has always been the party of integrity and honour but recent events have undermined trust and standards in public life. It is for this reason that sadly, I must resign.
I will continue working hard for my constituents on the issues that matter to them. https://t.co/oHZzPO285o1 -
That just sounds like the same shitty arguments Corbyn loyalists used to use.”we’ve not been radical enough, let’s go free broadband”HYUFD said:
Conservative MPs get elected to implement Conservative ideology, otherwise there is no point to being in power at all if you are just going to be a Blue Labour government. May as well let Starmer get in and return to true Tory principles. As far as most Tory members are concerned, Boris' main problem is he has not been Tory enough!Razedabode said:
I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?
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Impressive degree of cowardice from all but two in the Cabinet (possibly excepting Wallace).1
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On elements of fiscal policy, but not on social issues.HYUFD said:
With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensusSlackbladder said:
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
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It's almost disappointing because he has shown the flexibility and contortionist abilities of a master escapologist.ydoethur said:
Well, if we've seen everything, there's no need for him to change his position to be more exposed?DavidL said:Breaking news on this remarkable day
Douglas Ross has NOT changed his position on Boris today. We've seen everything now.0 -
Is Boris going to bother appointing replacements? I would have thought Barclay to CoE and Hancock or Dorries to Health, if he does.
I suspect Brady’s currently whetting his blade though, and I expect Boris to have announced his resignation before the end of next week.
He will stay on until the new leader is appointed, if only to beat May’s tenure, so you can scratch Raab off your list.
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Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.3
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Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial.
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Entirely up to Labour. Will look ridiculous if done too soon. You bang it in if he survives the week/1922 changes tie them to him thenJonathan said:
How do? This government is clearly not something anyone has confidence in. Labour can vote for the motion with integrity. The 1922 failed. It’s the Tories that would struggle.wooliedyed said:0 -
Yep - the easiest way for Labour to win the next election is for the Tory party to be lead by Bozo..rottenborough said:
The next best thing is for Bozo to be leader until June 2023....
The worst outcome for Labour is Bozo going and being replaced by someone else - bar say JRM or Nadine..0 -
I can’t believe they haven’t elbowed Boris off the dancefloor. FFS
Surely one more Cabinet Mjnister would have done it. Idiots!1 -
And for many Labour members they wanted some socialist redmeat after the New Labour years, sometimes members do put ideology over pure power and in 2017 it almost paid offRazedabode said:
That just sounds like the same shitty arguments Corbyn loyalists used to use.”we’ve not been radical enough, let’s go free broadband”HYUFD said:
Conservative MPs get elected to implement Conservative ideology, otherwise there is no point to being in power at all if you are just going to be a Blue Labour government. May as well let Starmer get in and return to true Tory principles. As far as most Tory members are concerned, Boris' main problem is he has not been Tory enough!Razedabode said:
I get you’re stating fact. But you realise you are meant to be running a democracy, not a cult deemed acceptable by a a dwindling Tory party membership? I don’t understand it - aren’t you meant to be governing in the country’s best interest?HYUFD said:
The public gave the Tories a 5 year term in 2019, they get no further say on next PM until 2024/25Carnyx said:
Oh, so the public are imperfectluy coordinated with the Party view? Must be so annoying for you.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
You think Rees-Mogg exemplifies that?0 -
Having read Sunak's and Rishi's resignation letters, I find them (to use a Malcolm-like terminology) supremely ar*e-licking. They read like letters of total support except there is a line buried in them that says, effectively, "Oh BTW, I resign"
Do none of them have the nerve to write a letter like Dear PM, I cannot serve under you because you are rubbish at this job and are destroying politics and the country"?
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Read that at first as from Guam.pigeon said:Tory Party Vice-Chairman Bim Afolami has resigned. From the Graun:
Bim Afolami MP has announced his resignation on TalkTV:
He said: “I don’t think the prime minister no longer has not just my support, but the party and the country.
“And for that reason I think he should step down.”
On his own position, he said: “You have to resign, I can’t serve under the prime minister.”
Incidentally, he's the MP for Hitchin & Harpenden, which is considered by many to be a Liberal Democrat target.
Was PM plotting to seize this strategic US territory, in last desperate diversion - "Wag the Big Dog"?0
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