The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com
Some in No 10 braced for further ministerial resignations. Tory allies of the PM feeling inevitability, this could be the end. Many not as bullish as they have been at previous crisis moments.
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Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.1
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Beth Rigby playing a blinder on Skynews.0
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Fourth.
As in “go fourth and multiply, Boris”.
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🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:
"I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
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HTF does that work given that Bozo is the one who writes a cheque to fix every issue...Scott_xP said:🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:
"I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
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Lord North did PM and CotE in parallel. Bojo to the treasury.1
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That last thread was short but exciting.1
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Welcome back Farooq!Farooq said:Is he dead in a ditch yet?
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C'mon Penny, get that letter in....2
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only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
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That third term is definitely at risk tonight.11
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The £ would freefall into oblivion if he puts Nad in at CoE.
As the Ragin Cajun once said: "I want to come back in the next life as the bond markets".0 -
Reading the letters again, they are interestingly different.
Javid opens by reminding Boris he was asked back into Cabinet, then spends 3 paragraphs on self congratulatory NHS wank. Then there is one long paragraph summed up by the idea they should be competent even if not popular. Followed by thanking Boris for seeing of Corbyn, and laughable claim to have been a friend to Boris. He doesn't actually talk directly about resigning until the 4th paragraph.
Sunak by contast opens with his resignation. He then plays the martyr a bit about it being a difficult time to stand down, probably to jsutify why he did nothing before now. One paragraph about lack of competence with more martyr talk about it being his last job perhaps, then overwrought protestation that he had been loyal boss. Interestingly he admits to disagreeing privately on things he defended publicly, probably a signal of his intention to go in a new direction, which he builds on in the next paragraph.
Sunak's looks more of a leadership pitch to me.
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I'm having flashbacks to the Saturday night and Sunday of June 25/26 2016.solarflare said:That last thread was short but exciting.
I think I published about 12 threads in 12 hours, certainly felt like it.4 -
So did May - she really ran out of options by the end. Although she also started out with Boris...Scott_xP said:only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
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Jacob Rees Mogg: “It is not true that we have received news of a rout by Zulu natives at Isandlwana”
Mogg always has his finger on the pulse.
#PinchGate #BorisMustGo https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/15443743574425845760 -
I thought Sunak's was a bit Me Me whereas Javid's had a bit more gravitas.kle4 said:Reading the letters again, they are interestingly different.
Javid opens by reminding Boris he was asked back into Cabinet, then spends 3 paragraphs on self congratulatory NHS wank. Then there is one long paragraph summed up by the idea they should be competent even if not popular. Followed by thanking Boris for seeing of Corbyn, and laughable claim to have been a friend to Boris. He doesn't actually talk directly about resigning until the 4th paragraph.
Sunak by contast opens with his resignation. He then plays the martyr a bit about it being a difficult time to stand down, probably to jsutify why he did nothing before now. One paragraph about lack of competence with more martyr talk about it being his last job perhaps, then overwrought protestation that he had been loyal boss. Interestingly he admits to disagreeing privately on things he defended publicly, probably a signal of his intention to go in a new direction, which he builds on in the next paragraph.
Sunak's looks more of a leadership pitch to me.0 -
Revolting? They're downright disgusting!0
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How big an idiot would you have to be to believe a word Johnson said?Scott_xP said:🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:
"I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865
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"Johnson has more vacancies than an out of season seaside boarding house"
Bridgen MP.0 -
So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.
So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!0 -
Andrew Bridgen really shouldn’t go around calling others vacant.rottenborough said:"Johnson has more vacancies than an out of season seaside boarding house"
Bridgen MP.3 -
I think Truss has killed off her chances this evening. Tory MPs aren’t going to give one of the Boris bunker holdouts a place in the final two.
Sajid has timed his sprint well. Puts him in contention. Hunt is irrelevant. Mordaunt the Major/Starmer style compromise candidate. Rishi too little too late but could be the winner’s CoE.
Out of that lot the most likely to repair our relations and reputation abroad is probably Javid.3 -
Good evening PB.
Has there been some interesting developments?3 -
HYUFD may be right that some redwallers are only voting Tory because Boris is leader. But he has always been weirdly pessimistic about anyone else even having a chance of winning them over.mickydroy said:
All that shows is sadly, large swathes of the British electorate need educating on current affairsHYUFD said:
Some of the redwallers still voting Tory are only doing so because Johnson is leader however.Sean_F said:
Large numbers of Conservatives admired Thatcher. Few people admired Major, but many liked him.HYUFD said:
Major also then led the Tories to their worst landslide defeat since 1832 in 1997 however and the bitterness of Thatcher's toppling helped wreck his government and keep the Tories in opposition for a decadeHeathener said:
This is the real problem for the party now imho. Thatcher DID step aside and that meant John Major could go on to win, famously, in 1992 with the largest vote by any party in British history. I mention that last bit for HY's benefit.Sean_F said:
Johnson is not Thatcher.HYUFD said:
Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.
Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.
Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
He's a corrupt twat who has no compunction about burning the Conservative Party to the ground, in order to cling to office a few days longer.
He has no loyalty to the Conservative Party, and they should have none to him.
So does Johnson drag down the party now? Or give them at least a fighting chance at the next GE?
Johnson is neither admired, nor liked, by many Conservatives, now. The views of non-Conservatives can easily be guessed. No one will be bitter over his departure. He is an embarrassment to his MP's.0 -
Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A0 -
💚💚Farooq said:
piss offlondonpubman said:
Welcome back Farooq!Farooq said:Is he dead in a ditch yet?
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Does anyone still remember people like Hazel Blears and James Purnell?Scott_xP said:only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
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It doesn't worry you that the two clearly most competent ministers have gone?HYUFD said:So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.
So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!
There is only Wallace left who can be considered to have ability beyond one cabinet.0 -
Blimey, even David Frost supports Rishi and Javid0
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FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.HYUFD said:
Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.Leon said:
Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is SturgeonHYUFD said:
The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did BorisRichard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:HYUFD said:
Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.
Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.
Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
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An anonymous source tells me: “can’t believe he’s been brought down by a sex scandal not involving himself”
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For real?...oh I see, figuratively speaking.TheScreamingEagles said:Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
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Great - I look forward to him losing his seatHYUFD said:Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A0 -
Michael Gove is key, I think. Maybe Boris can survive if he can persuade him to become CoE, but Gove hasn't been conspicuous with his support recently.
Wallace is right to stay as Her Majesty's defence minister, given the Ukraine situation. We really can't afford any discontinuity there.2 -
Sunak was not a remainer - do you honestly believe his resignation could be termed a coup by remainers?HYUFD said:So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.
So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!1 -
A statement from me. In short,
@RishiSunak
and
@sajidjavid
have done the right thing.
https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1544379667133734917?s=20&t=iKLPp_fivQasI0IyRzvPsQ3 -
Oh, so why does not the Scottish Government double mandate to have a referendum count?HYUFD said:Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A0 -
He won't, even on current pollsRazedabode said:
Great - I look forward to him losing his seatHYUFD said:Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A0 -
Andrew Bridgen has just said that the Government has more vacancies than an out of season seaside boarding house! He could have said any soft fruits farm in the UK without any EU labour.1
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17.4mn of them at the last count.MISTY said:
How big an idiot would you have to be to believe a word Johnson said?Scott_xP said:🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:
"I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
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So Boris can do a May and pre announce his resignation in 2023. That’s about his best card to play.0
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Mordaunt still fav on BF tonight0
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July 4th: America celebrates its independence from Britain
July 5th: Britain celebrates its independence from Boris?0 -
Betfair Boris to go in 2022 now back out to 1.15 from a low tonight of 1.09.0
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Mad Nad for chancellor.Richard_Nabavi said:Michael Gove is key, I think. Maybe Boris can survive if he can persuade him to become CoE, but Gove hasn't been conspicuous with his support recently.
Wallace is right to stay as Her Majesty's defence minister, given the Ukraine situation. We really can't afford any discontinuity there.0 -
Penny Mordaunt's resignation is taking longer because she's trying to weave some obscure innuendo into the text.6
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Do we know if Charlie Falconer has resigned?williamglenn said:
Does anyone still remember people like Hazel Blears and James Purnell?Scott_xP said:only note of caution is that when this happened to Gordon Brown he kept replacing ministers who resigned with new, less good ministers, and the ship - holed below the waterline - kept on going
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1544378746312048641
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not so many nowOnlyLivingBoy said:
17.4mn of them at the last count.MISTY said:
How big an idiot would you have to be to believe a word Johnson said?Scott_xP said:🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:
"I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865
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Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68Carnyx said:
FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.HYUFD said:
Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.Leon said:
Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is SturgeonHYUFD said:
The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did BorisRichard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:HYUFD said:
Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.
Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.
Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?0 -
Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
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Michael Gove is NOT resigning - aide
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Andrew Bridgen has just said even arch former Johnson loyalists on the backbenchers want him gone and he will be by the summer recessHYUFD said:So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.
So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!0 -
She should have called me.Monksfield said:Penny Mordaunt's resignation is taking longer because she's trying to weave some obscure innuendo into the text.
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So he may survive then, Gove to the TreasuryScott_xP said:Michael Gove is NOT resigning - aide
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But a hattrick of sackings for lying is an achievement in itselfScott_xP said:An anonymous source tells me: “can’t believe he’s been brought down by a sex scandal not involving himself”
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That's all the fun done folks
Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
Michael Gove is NOT resigning - aide
6:59 PM · Jul 5, 2022·Twitter Web App0 -
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?0 -
Heseltine is twisting the knife with considerable elan…0
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That kills any hopes the PM had of keeping the right wing doesn’t it?FrancisUrquhart said:A statement from me. In short,
@RishiSunak
and
@sajidjavid
have done the right thing.
https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1544379667133734917?s=20&t=iKLPp_fivQasI0IyRzvPsQ
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I was going to say what about if the Tories do even worse if Boris goes, which you are predicting, but he's safe even then.HYUFD said:
He won't, even on current pollsRazedabode said:
Great - I look forward to him losing his seatHYUFD said:Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A
That said, for a man who pretends to constitutionalism, he knows damn well that PMs do not get a personal mandate under our system - he has talked such talk before, and far from being a conservative he appears to be an extreme radical, evne revolutionary, in his perception of the British system.0 -
Gove, Coffey and Zahawi yet to declare.0
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Er... I think this very smudged photo means Andrew Murrison is resigning as a trade envoy? https://twitter.com/AWMurrison/status/15443808311788257330
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Starmer?Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
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Bloody Gove you tosser0
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If Boris goes and Wallace gets to the final 2 he would beat all opponents with the membership, including Mordaunt, based on yesterday's Conhome surveysrottenborough said:Mordaunt still fav on BF tonight
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He won't do that.rottenborough said:The £ would freefall into oblivion if he puts Nad in at CoE.
As the Ragin Cajun once said: "I want to come back in the next life as the bond markets".
Dorries much more likely to end up as Health Secretary.
Unless he brings back Hancock.0 -
Sunak and Johnson will now blame each other for high tax and high spend. Like the gif of the two Spidermen pointing at each other.eek said:
HTF does that work given that Bozo is the one who writes a cheque to fix every issue...Scott_xP said:🚨NEW: Boris just concluded meeting of 80 or so Tory MPs following Sajid and Rishi's resignation. Am told he said:
"I know you’re all avidly in favour of tax cuts and tonight’s events might make that a bit easier to deliver"
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/15443783397581168650 -
Oh!FrancisUrquhart said:A statement from me. In short,
@RishiSunak
and
@sajidjavid
have done the right thing.
https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1544379667133734917?s=20&t=iKLPp_fivQasI0IyRzvPsQ0 -
Macmillan in 1957 or 58.Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.0 -
As 2014 was once in a generation and Westminster alone gets the final say on the UnionCarnyx said:
Oh, so why does not the Scottish Government double mandate to have a referendum count?HYUFD said:Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A0 -
Truth doesn’t matter. It can be be manipulated as and when required.kle4 said:
Sunak was not a remainer - do you honestly believe his resignation could be termed a coup by remainers?HYUFD said:So the Foreign Secretary, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Deputy PM, the Business Secretary and now the Education Secretary have now all confirmed their loyalty to the PM.
So far from being co ordinated across Cabinet it seems Sunak and Javid were outliers. To survive Johnson will now shift to rally the right and the ERG behind him, he will say this is a coup by Remainers to row back from Brexit and those on the left of the party who want to raise taxes and only he can stop them!
Loyalty is the only thing that matters.
The bastards are running the show. They’re destroying their party, and the country.
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Patel/Gove? Could that work?
Neither are innocent in all this. Nobody would argue surely.0 -
Except it does. He's been lying about what he knew about it.Scott_xP said:An anonymous source tells me: “can’t believe he’s been brought down by a sex scandal not involving himself”
https://twitter.com/RMCunliffe/status/15443799216649666571 -
The lies over Pincher seemed so unnecessary, almost trivial compared to so much else, but the straw that breaks the camel’s back doesn’t have to be very heavy.
Now we wait to see how long Johnson thinks he can ride a camel with a broken back…1 -
If that meteor hadn't hit Yucatan 65myrs ago, you wouldn't be posting this stuff.HYUFD said:
Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68Carnyx said:
FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.HYUFD said:
Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.Leon said:
Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is SturgeonHYUFD said:
The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did BorisRichard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:HYUFD said:
Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.
Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.
Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?1 -
Taydoethur said:
Macmillan in 1957 or 58.Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.0 -
Oh Jeez, I hadn't thought of that. Old Mr Handy is desperate enough to say 'yes'.pigeon said:
He won't do that.rottenborough said:The £ would freefall into oblivion if he puts Nad in at CoE.
As the Ragin Cajun once said: "I want to come back in the next life as the bond markets".
Dorries much more likely to end up as Health Secretary.
Unless he brings back Hancock.0 -
That’s not a very polite way of referring to Carrie.bondegezou said:The lies over Pincher seemed so unnecessary, almost trivial compared to so much else, but the straw that breaks the camel’s back doesn’t have to be very heavy.
Now we wait to see how long Johnson thinks he can ride a camel with a broken back…2 -
Have another brazil nut.HYUFD said:
As 2014 was once in a generation and Westminster alone gets the final say on the UnionCarnyx said:
Oh, so why does not the Scottish Government double mandate to have a referendum count?HYUFD said:Jacob Rees Mogg: “The PM won a mandate from the a British people and that is more powerful than cabinet ministers resigning”
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544374357442584576?s=20&t=rRwD-qbCc3wMInUksbCG_A0 -
Plus Thatcher when Lawson resigned in 1989 for a yearydoethur said:
Macmillan in 1957 or 58.Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.0 -
Has Beth dressed for a funeral?
Can't think why.1 -
Andrew Murrison Trade envoy to Morocco resigns. Big fish coming in now!1
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Fuck me, the Trade Envoy to Morocco. GONE2
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Rishi Sunak is your new 4/1 favourite for next Tory leader
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-conservative-party-leader/228826373/all-markets https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1544381935601975296/photo/10 -
Get the 22 to change the rules tonight. New vote tomorrow evening. No way he survives a vote again.
Anyone accepting a role in Boris's reshuffled Cabinet has a very short career ahead of them.1 -
Truss will not now be leader.
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Pathetic lack of follow up.0
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Thatcher survived for a year after Lawson resigned.Leon said:
Taydoethur said:
Macmillan in 1957 or 58.Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.2 -
Nothing fundamental has changed. Johnson will reshuffle and carry on.Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
The cabinet won't get rid of him. Too many of them know their ministerial careers are over five minutes after a change of leadership. It will take a large majority of the backbenchers to conclude that Johnson is an electoral liability and force him out through a change of rules and another confidence vote. So long as they are split, dithering and wetting their knickers, he's perfectly safe.0 -
He’s my MP. Glad he’s taken a stand.wooliedyed said:Andrew Murrison Trade envoy to Morocco resigns. Big fish coming in now!
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I thought Wilson might be another example but Callaghan was reshuffled rather than resigning.Leon said:
Taydoethur said:
Macmillan in 1957 or 58.Leon said:
Who is left to resign?Scott_xP said:Conservative MP plugged in to several wings of the party texts: "It is over. More resignations on way"
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1544380470162513920
ALSO: has any PM survived the resignation of a COTE? For more than a few weeks, anyway?
Edit - Thorneycroft resigned on 6th Jan 1958.0 -
The Tories are split in two. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.1
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From earlier today the plan seemed to be 1922 elections next week - then the 1922 committee change the rules immediately...MarqueeMark said:Get the 22 to change the rules tonight. New vote tomorrow evening. No way he survives a vote again.
Anyone accepting a role in Boris's reshuffled Cabinet has a very short career ahead of them.
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The good news just keeps coming.rottenborough said:Truss will not now be leader.
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He would.Carnyx said:
If that meteor hadn't hit Yucatan 65myrs ago, you wouldn't be posting this stuff.HYUFD said:
Even if the Tories won 0 seats in Scotland in 2019 they would still have had a majority of 68Carnyx said:
FPT: here's a nice brazil nut.HYUFD said:
Boris can just refuse an indyref2 still and nothing the SNP can do to change Scotland's status in the union without UK government consent. Legally and constitutionally therefore it does not matter how unpopular the PM is in Scotland if they have a majority at Westminster to refuse indyref2.Leon said:
Apart from everything else, Boris is a clear and present danger to the Union. He is total anti-catnip to Scots, and the SNP use him as a recruiting tool, and they mentioned him by name when announcing "Sindyref" 2. One person who will be really praying he survives is SturgeonHYUFD said:
The Tory Party is not just the political wing of the CBI and the City of London. It also has to reach working class and lower middle class voters to win, Thatcher managed to do so as did BorisRichard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I think it's very likely that the Conservatives will be very, very unpopular for a long time. But you're putting the blame in the wrong place. It's Boris who has wrecked the party, and it's going to take a very long time for it to be forgotten. As I wrote on the day he became leader:HYUFD said:
Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.
Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.
Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
The party is no longer recognisable as the pragmatic, business-friendly, economically-sound, reality-based party of government which I have supported for decades. It will justifiably get the electoral blame for the consequences of the disastrous course it has chosen, and will probably never be forgiven by younger voters.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/24/why-ive-resigned-from-the-conservative-party/
Surely you can see this? You're a unionist
Only if they grant an indyref2 does the UK PM's popularity matter in Scotland
BTW you do realise there are Tory constituencies in Scotland, with actual live Tory MPs in them?
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To be fair, if resignations come from lower ranks there won’t be many people left who’ll want to serve
Good luck to those staying loyal trying to stick it out0