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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,365
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    When did they split the voting in two between juries and the public?

    For some years now. There are major disparities with the juries.
    I know it used to be jury only, then they combined it into one vote consisting of both jury and public.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,414

    tlg86 said:

    12 from the French?

    That confirms Eurovision is rigged.
    I’m surprised your head didn’t explode
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    pingping Posts: 3,747
    edited May 2022

    I fear Ukraine will hammer us on the public vote.

    That’s what the betting anticipates.

    Rather odd that Ukraine went out from ~1/3 to ~2/1 at the start of the jury results. Weirdest betting move I’ve seen in a long time.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,341
    Good old Austria!
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,283

    I fear Ukraine will hammer us on the public vote.

    We will be blown away on the public vote but that's fine. Ukraine will win, we are in at 2 and that's all good this year 👍
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,863
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    12 from the French?

    That confirms Eurovision is rigged.
    I’m surprised your head didn’t explode
    I'm such a Francophile.

    France is the first foreign country I'm visiting since the start of the pandemic.

    In a fortnight.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    Needle.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,829
    Finland votes for Sweden. Shock of the evening.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,202
    Cookie said:

    Thoughts and prayers for Stuart Dickson tonight.

    He assured us all the rest of Europe hate us and we'd get nul point.

    Yes, I'm firmly of the view that our lamentable performance in Eurovision for the last age has been due to submitting entirely forgettable songs which we hope people won't hate and might vote for because it reminds them a bit of British pop music, rather than any fundamental enmity towards the UK.
    Not watching it, but following on here. It does appear that the UK actually had a good song this year.

    Have always been of the opinion that we need to find an established artist prepared not to take themselves so seriously for a few weeks.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    Nul points for Ukraine from the UK!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,863
    The UK jury are traitors, giving 12 points to Sweden.

    Come on Priti Patel, strip those traitors of UK citizenship.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,341
    Sweden is shooting up.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,999
    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    A sharp pin or... if you can bear it a sharp blade, like a hobby craft blade, to dig it out. Douse blade/pin in alcohol first and allow to dry before 'operating'.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,414
    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    Soak in as hot water as you can bear, with a little disinfectant.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,202
    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    A sterilised razor blade, or a needle.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    ping said:

    I fear Ukraine will hammer us on the public vote.

    That’s what the betting anticipates.

    Rather odd that Ukraine went out from ~1/3 to ~2/1 at the start of the jury results. Weirdest betting move I’ve seen in a long time.
    They hit 3.6!

    The price chart on betfair is mental for them.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209

    The UK jury are traitors, giving 12 points to Sweden.

    Come on Priti Patel, strip those traitors of UK citizenship.

    Nul points for Ukraine from the UK!

    Boris is going to going to get it in the neck from Zelensky in their next call.

    What's 'Quid Pro Quo' in Ukrainian?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    A sharp pin or... if you can bear it a sharp blade, like a hobby craft blade, to dig it out. Douse blade/pin in alcohol first and allow to dry before 'operating'.
    Try tweezers first though.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    Fucking convicts....
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    Nul points for the UK from Australia!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,082
    Nil from Australia!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,863
    Australians are a bunch of fucking twats.

    Kick them out of the Commonwealth.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,414

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    12 from the French?

    That confirms Eurovision is rigged.
    I’m surprised your head didn’t explode
    I'm such a Francophile.

    France is the first foreign country I'm visiting since the start of the pandemic.

    In a fortnight.
    TBF i had to check the integrity of my cranium, too.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,341
    Bloody Aussies. Null points from them.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,638
    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,116
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,863
    Oh wow.

    Breaking - @EBU_HQ says "irregular voting patterns were identified in the results of six countries."

    "In order to comply with the contest's voting instructions, the EBU worked with its voting partner for each country for both the semi-final abd the Grand Final."

    https://twitter.com/ChrisGibsonNews/status/1525604676191887366
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,365
    These juries are making their mind up in a good way.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,341
    Thank you Czechia!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making.
    It's the first symptom of HYUFD debate-itis. If it persists for more than one hour, call your doctor.
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    Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,563
    Foxy said: "While politics is obvious, song and performance quality does count for a fair bit."

    It might be prudent to preface such shocking comments with a warning statement.
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    pingping Posts: 3,747
    edited May 2022
    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    I had exactly that problem last month.

    I tried tweezers. Didn’t work.

    So I left it.

    A small blister came up, it filled with pus, followed by blood and eventually drained. ~2 weeks later the skin frayed, leaving new skin behind and inside the ex-blister was a tiny splinter, which popped out.

    The human body is amazing at dealing with these things.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    UK wins jury vote
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,283
    Ok we won the jury vote first time since 1997. Keir has hope
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    OK, let's stop now......
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    Jury voting complete - UK in pole position (283 points!).
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,202
    Andy_JS said:

    These juries are making their mind up in a good way.

    Did they take their skirts off?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    rcs1000 said:

    Sweden is shooting up.

    Sounds like a disqualifying action.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,116
    Cookie said:

    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.

    Supposedly it’s a metaphor for Moldovan/Romanian unification.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,082
    Cookie said:

    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.

    Thought to be a reference to a desire for union with Romania.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    OK, let's stop now......

    Stop the count, to coin a phrase?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,236
    STOP THE COUNT


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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,398
    Christ. Assume Ukraine comes first in the public vote, there must be a mathematical equation for how low we could come in and win.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,365
    edited May 2022
    Maybe it helps for some reason that the British entry guy looks like a viking.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,414
    tlg86 said:

    STOP THE COUNT


    Vote’s going sideways for us.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919
    It more fun than coming last. Stressful, but fun.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,398
    tlg86 said:

    STOP THE COUNT


    Have we won bigly?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,905
    I'm probably going to lose but I've decided to heavily lay Ukraine
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,638
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.

    Thought to be a reference to a desire for union with Romania.
    I wondered as such! A wee bit political for Eurovision, no? Interesting nonetheless - Moldovan politics having become moderately important of late.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    Given our own travails in the competition I suppose it would be wrong to take pleasure in another's misfortune at coming dead last with zero points?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,863
    Look, we're not going to finish bottom, I consider that an absolute win.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    Australians are a bunch of fucking twats.

    Kick them out of the Commonwealth.

    Jury not public
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    Moldova helps us!
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,365
    Sometimes the best song gets the least number of points. I was watching the 1982 contest the other day and the Finnish entry was the most interesting and was the only one to get nothing.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    ping said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    I had exactly that problem last month.

    I tried tweezers. Didn’t work.

    So I left it.

    A small blister came up, it filled with pus, followed by blood and eventually drained. ~2 weeks later the skin frayed, leaving new skin behind and inside the ex-blister was a tiny splinter, which popped out.

    The human body is amazing at dealing with these things.
    Thanks for the tips all.

    Off to shops tomorrow to get some needles etc.

    I'd rather not go the blister route because I recently got an infection in my other thumb which necessitated many hours in A&E and a week's worth of antibiotics. I have managed to avoid Covid but small infections are a nightmare.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,116
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Serbia take the lead halfway through public vote
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,893
    UK won the jury vote?
    I thought it’d had enough of experts.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    If you just stuck this into a random number generator it'd probably make about as much sense.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,760

    kle4 said:

    Given our own travails in the competition I suppose it would be wrong to take pleasure in another's misfortune at coming dead last with zero points?

    Do the Germans have a word for schadenfreude?
    Liked even though you are ripping off G. W. Bush.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,398
    edited May 2022
    Serbia? Do the Russian public still get to vote?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    Hahahahahhahahaha convicts!
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919
    Some maths genius should be able to figure this out.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,116
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.

    Thought to be a reference to a desire for union with Romania.
    I wondered as such! A wee bit political for Eurovision, no? Interesting nonetheless - Moldovan politics having become moderately important of late.
    IIRC, they wanted to do a more explicitly political song but weren’t allowed to under the rules, so they did something that is explicitly about a train route, but implicitly political.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    edited May 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
    Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes an ethnic European which was the original discussion.

    Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    Did voting public mistake Azerbaijan for the Russian backed Armenians?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,397
    Is anyone calculating how many phone votes haven’t been allocated yet? You could know who’s won before they announce it.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,283
    Top 5 finish guaranteed
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,209
    Here we go - Ukraine.....
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,267
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
    Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.

    Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
    I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    I haven't really kept track - which song have the public actually liked the most yet?
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,283
    Yes Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,863
    Bad luck for those who laid Ukraine.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    439 points!!!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,829
    Boom
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Ukraine gets 439 votes from the public so storms to the lead
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,414
    Cyclefree said:

    ping said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....

    I had exactly that problem last month.

    I tried tweezers. Didn’t work.

    So I left it.

    A small blister came up, it filled with pus, followed by blood and eventually drained. ~2 weeks later the skin frayed, leaving new skin behind and inside the ex-blister was a tiny splinter, which popped out.

    The human body is amazing at dealing with these things.
    Thanks for the tips all.

    Off to shops tomorrow to get some needles etc.

    I'd rather not go the blister route because I recently got an infection in my other thumb which necessitated many hours in A&E and a week's worth of antibiotics. I have managed to avoid Covid but small infections are a nightmare.
    Neat malt vinegar is very good at preventing infections in small cuts from gardening etc.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919
    Done.
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    MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 157
    Ukraine wins
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,082
    Ukraine win the popular vote by a mile.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,638

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.

    Thought to be a reference to a desire for union with Romania.
    I wondered as such! A wee bit political for Eurovision, no? Interesting nonetheless - Moldovan politics having become moderately important of late.
    IIRC, they wanted to do a more explicitly political song but weren’t allowed to under the rules, so they did something that is explicitly about a train route, but implicitly political.
    Also interesting because movements seeking unification - at least unilaterally - seem a lot rare than those seeking independence. So any non-fringe group advocating moving in wholesale with a larger neighbour are worthy of interest.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209

    439 points!!!

    Hahaha. UK actually had a shot for once and all.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    HYUFD said:

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    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
    Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.

    Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
    I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
    Well it is the logical reason
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,905

    I'm probably going to lose but I've decided to heavily lay Ukraine

    Yep. I've lost.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,760

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
    Under 2% apparently.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684

    I'm probably going to lose but I've decided to heavily lay Ukraine

    This was a bad idea.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,082
    HYUFD said:

    Ukraine gets 439 votes from the public so storms to the lead

    From 40 countries is formidable.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209

    Yes Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

    I believe the de rigeur expression is Slava Ukraini
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,638
    Going to be tricky holding it in Ukraine next year while the Russians are shelling it.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
    Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes an ethnic European which was the original discussion.

    Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
    No, the reason Australia joined was because of the 60th anniversary of Eurovision.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,267
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
    Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?

    The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
    They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.

    Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
    All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
    Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.

    Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
    I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
    Well it is the logical reason
    It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,638
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukraine gets 439 votes from the public so storms to the lead

    From 40 countries is formidable.
    That's out of a maximum 480, presumably?
    Are there any countries conspicuous by not voting for Ukraine?
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,116
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Just looked up the details of the Moldovan entry - apparently about a train ride from Chisinau to Bucharest. I thought grey kept saying the word Bucharest, but I was wary of believing in my own Romanian language skills to too great an extent. This is surely interesting? Not often a Eurovision entry references another country so clearly.

    Thought to be a reference to a desire for union with Romania.
    I wondered as such! A wee bit political for Eurovision, no? Interesting nonetheless - Moldovan politics having become moderately important of late.
    IIRC, they wanted to do a more explicitly political song but weren’t allowed to under the rules, so they did something that is explicitly about a train route, but implicitly political.
    Also interesting because movements seeking unification - at least unilaterally - seem a lot rare than those seeking independence. So any non-fringe group advocating moving in wholesale with a larger neighbour are worthy of interest.
    There’s long been support for unification with Romania. Indeed, some were surprised it didn’t happen soon after Moldova became independent. Transnistria and Russian troops there has complicated matters. But the Ukraine situation has perhaps increased support (outside Transnistria).
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