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  • MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 174
    Foxy said:

    Nothing for Ukraine....wow

    Yes, but this is the Jury vote, not the popular vote.
    I thought this was the other way round?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2022
    Spain 2/1 fav

    Edit 6/4
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,584
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    Are you on the rules committee ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,331
    We get 12 from Ukraine
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231
    12 points from Ukraine... to UK!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,238
    Oh yes, those 12 points are worth so much more...
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Yes Ukraine sticking with their biggest allies
  • MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 174
    We are in the lead!!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,166

    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury

    Everybody should look at that article if only to see the photo of Gove about halfway down. It's astonishing - he looks like a coked-up alien.
    I'm currently whittling about where middle daughter goes to secondary school. The state of the buildings is the least of my worries, to be honest. I'd settle for somewhere where the headteachers weren't Corbynites and the pupils weren't psychopaths.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231
    UK in the lead!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,136
    12 points from Ukraine to ... Boris!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,476
    Looks like those nlaw shipments were worth it
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,775
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,023
    I miss the days when they used to start at one vote and go through them all individually.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,935
    The unpredictability of live sport!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,975
    It was the aliens that did it.........
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231
    Germans give 12 to the UK!
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    To give @HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, he did say "geographically", not geologically. I assume he is talking about the time the continents were named.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,331
    12 from Germany too
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Quick - take a screen shot!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    Are you on the rules committee ?
    I rather think dear HYUFD is having fun over analysing the reasoning behind the broadening of the participants of Eurovision as if it had firm logic to it. Rather than the mundane truth, which would most likely appear to be that the European Broadcasting Union (which is broader anyway) decided a long time ago that it was fun and interesting to let others participate.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    kle4 said:

    TimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    Azerbaijan today:



    Azerbaijan seems to have suffered quite the calamity, such that the very ground has been shifted 90 degrees. Presumably some sort of powerful earthquake, I hope you are there on relief efforts.
    It was only a scratch ...
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Betting all over the place
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,321
    Andy_JS said:

    I miss the days when they used to start at one vote and go through them all individually.

    The popular vote can shift it quite a bit, but not bottom this time!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651
    HYUFD said:

    12 points from Azerbaijan, Putin by invading Ukraine and Boris by standing so resolutely by Zelensky have clearly saved our Eurovision prospects!

    I fully expect him to suggest that was our motivation for provoking the war in the first place in his next broadcast.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,238
    Ukraine in the pack, they can still win this.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Ukraine/Sweden/Uk all between 2/1 & 3/1
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,131
    bloody hell we are winning this.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Ukraine will come through on the popular vote but good to see UK up there
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,166

    Bizarre Inc Spain haven't won since 1970

    Spain have the same issue as the UK - they're not in a bloc, like the Baltics and the Scandinavians. It's not that people dislike them, there's just not many countries who will vote for them whether they merit or or not.
    Also their pop music is pretty terrible.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Astonishing performance for UK on jury vote best since 1997
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,264
    I’ve always said Eurovision jury voting was fair and balanced….

    So, you’d think the public vote will massively favour Ukraine, but we might get some eastern EU votes too….
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,331

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,264
    Benefit of the British defence budget #1 is apparently Eurovision votes….
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651
    edited May 2022
    I haven't actually watched Eurovision since about 2014 I think. I didn't realise the joke on our consistent performance had been so spot on.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Ukraine back into 1/2
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,746
    Nigelb said:

    .

    TimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    Azerbaijan today:


    Some serious camber on their roads.
    I think @TimT has fallen over.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,746

    All those NLAWs got us 12 points.

    Worth every penny.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,238
    No love for the German entry...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Germany still on nil points.....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    LIVERPOOL FC
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,166

    Astonishing performance for UK on jury vote best since 1997

    I think the UK's entry was, for the first time in ages, not crap.
    We lament the continent voting against us, but for a nation which exports far more pop than it imports, our Eurovision entries are baffling bland, like they've been designed by committee. This year - we'll it's not to my taste, but that doesn't matter, the point is to be to at least somebody's taste, and it achieves that, I think. It doesn't matter how many people don't like it, it matters that at least some people do.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    I am about to go the poor house if Le Royaume-Uni win this.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Looks like we will finish 2. We will be swamped by Ukraine in popular vote. I can live with that 👍
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,238

    LIVERPOOL FC

    Did you boo?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    biggles said:

    Benefit of the British defence budget #1 is apparently Eurovision votes….

    Soft power.....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,746
    I think we should go with Thom Yorke and this song next year:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e97tkGJ28yU
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,256

    LIVERPOOL FC

    You were at Wembley?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Moldova shockingly overlooked......
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    tlg86 said:

    LIVERPOOL FC

    Did you boo?
    Only Chelsea players.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    edited May 2022
    Sandpit said:

    LIVERPOOL FC

    You were at Wembley?
    Yes, in Paris in a fortnight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231
    UK leading after 24 Jury Votes (out of 40).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,256

    Sandpit said:

    LIVERPOOL FC

    You were at Wembley?
    Yes, in Paris in a fortnight.
    Ooh, lucky bugger! I’ll be at a beach party in a crowd of about 3,000.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    LIVERPOOL FC

    You know you are not going to get the 4 though don't you. City will win tomorrow. Hope you win Champions League tho 👍
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651

    Moldova shockingly overlooked......

    That's my general description of Moldova - the forgotten European country.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,746
    Off topic (for a moment): you can currently buy the only flying Harrier certified for civilian use:

    https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/191203255/1979-british-aerospace-sea-harrier-fa2-turbine-military-aircraft

    It comes with two non-flying Harriers that you can cannibalise for spare parts.

    A snip at $8m.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,023
    Just realised these aren't the final results from each country. Haven't watched it properly for ages so not familiar with the changes in format.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    edited May 2022

    LIVERPOOL FC

    You know you are not going to get the 4 though don't you. City will win tomorrow. Hope you win Champions League tho 👍
    I've said on here that we will not complete the tetralogy this season.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651
    Ok, I've now seen our entry, but not the others yet. Good performance, but can't say the song really stirred me at all.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,256
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic (for a moment): you can currently buy the only flying Harrier certified for civilian use:

    https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/191203255/1979-british-aerospace-sea-harrier-fa2-turbine-military-aircraft

    It comes with two non-flying Harriers that you can cannibalise for spare parts.

    A snip at $8m.

    @Dura_Ace ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Bless you, France.....
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,975
    12 points from the French jury!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231
    French give us 12 points!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    I love France 💙
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,761
    What parallel Eurovision universe is this.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    TimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    Azerbaijan today:


    Some serious camber on their roads.
    I think @TimT has fallen over.
    It's the local red wine and vodka ...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    Fucking hell, douze point from the French.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,331

    French give us 12 points!

    French jury though, not French public
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,238
    12 from the French?
  • XtrainXtrain Posts: 341
    WTF 12 points from France!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,775
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,166
    rcs1000 said:

    I think we should go with Thom Yorke and this song next year:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e97tkGJ28yU

    Things I like about that:
    1. The artwork on the sleeve. Compelling.
    2. Everything up until the singing starts. Not that there is anything wrong with the singing, but the intro promises a song which is going to be wilfully annoying, which is quite exciting. Nothing wrong with the pop song which follows, but I was hoping for something my wife and kids would hate.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    tlg86 said:

    12 from the French?

    That confirms Eurovision is rigged.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651
    If the UK does indeed place well I look forward to much hysterica, of course, but also a few party poopers - you know, like people on election night complaining that the winning side's supporters are a bit too ebullient.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Fuck you, Armenia.....
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Brilliant comeback from UK even if we don't win. On course for first top five since Jessica Garlick 2002
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651

    tlg86 said:

    12 from the French?

    That confirms Eurovision is rigged.
    Boris was desperate, but I never thought he'd go the Franco route. Kudos on the boldness.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,331

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the continents emerged geographically.

    Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
    What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
    And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.

    Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
    I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
    Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,321

    Thoughts and prayers for Stuart Dickson tonight.

    He assured us all the rest of Europe hate us and we'd get nul point.

    While politics is obvious, song and performance quality does count for a fair bit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Pervy Irish going for a bit of butt.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,331
    No 12 points for UK from the Irish jury
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    Foxy said:

    Thoughts and prayers for Stuart Dickson tonight.

    He assured us all the rest of Europe hate us and we'd get nul point.

    While politics is obvious, song and performance quality does count for a fair bit.
    If it did Gina G would have won in 1996 in a landslide.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,023
    When did they split the voting in two between juries and the public?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231

    Brilliant comeback from UK even if we don't win. On course for first top five since Jessica Garlick 2002

    Jade Ewen in 2009.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,166

    Thoughts and prayers for Stuart Dickson tonight.

    He assured us all the rest of Europe hate us and we'd get nul point.

    Yes, I'm firmly of the view that our lamentable performance in Eurovision for the last age has been due to submitting entirely forgettable songs which we hope people won't hate and might vote for because it reminds them a bit of British pop music, rather than any fundamental enmity towards the UK.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,321

    Fuck you, Armenia.....

    They are backed by Russia and recently lost a war to Azerbaijan
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,030
    Question is.. will public vote politically or on the songs?

    If it's on the latter then I think we win.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,125
    Andy_JS said:

    When did they split the voting in two between juries and the public?

    2016.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,975
    I fear Ukraine will hammer us on the public vote.
  • XtrainXtrain Posts: 341

    Foxy said:

    Thoughts and prayers for Stuart Dickson tonight.

    He assured us all the rest of Europe hate us and we'd get nul point.

    While politics is obvious, song and performance quality does count for a fair bit.
    If it did Gina G would have won in 1996 in a landslide.
    I had an Irish mate who was devestated when Gina G didn't win!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,321
    Andy_JS said:

    When did they split the voting in two between juries and the public?

    For some years now. There are major disparities with the juries.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,584
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic (for a moment): you can currently buy the only flying Harrier certified for civilian use:

    https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/191203255/1979-british-aerospace-sea-harrier-fa2-turbine-military-aircraft

    It comes with two non-flying Harriers that you can cannibalise for spare parts.

    A snip at $8m.

    I expect @Dura_Ace to pick it up and part it out.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,329
    Croatia - Serbia relations have certainly improved
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,321
    Punters seem to think Ukraine wins the popular votes. Looks rather short to me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,651
    I assume the best tell for a politically driven vote is if one country gives top points to someone who otherwise is lagging at the bottom. If there are consistent top votes across the board song enjoyment must be a big part of it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,030

    I fear Ukraine will hammer us on the public vote.

    Depends how big the gap is. I think eastern Europe and Baltic States will give them a lot of votes but they'll give us a lot too
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