Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in almost every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
The UK was the better song but very happy to see Ukraine win . I voted for them and I know it should be about just songs but the public clearly wanted to send a message . Pride restored for the UK so overall a great evening .
Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....
I had exactly that problem last month.
I tried tweezers. Didn’t work.
So I left it.
A small blister came up, it filled with pus, followed by blood and eventually drained. ~2 weeks later the skin frayed, leaving new skin behind and inside the ex-blister was a tiny splinter, which popped out.
The human body is amazing at dealing with these things.
Thanks for the tips all.
Off to shops tomorrow to get some needles etc.
I'd rather not go the blister route because I recently got an infection in my other thumb which necessitated many hours in A&E and a week's worth of antibiotics. I have managed to avoid Covid but small infections are a nightmare.
Neat malt vinegar is very good at preventing infections in small cuts from gardening etc.
Thanks. I should wear gloves but hate doing so. This was not gardening related though. Just snagged a bit of wood on a chair in garden as I sat down to rest ..... ironically enough.
Let’s all look forward to the 2023 Eurovision Song Contest, to be staged in Kyiv.
I'd put it 50:50 that we do end up hosting. If Ukraine is still fighting for its life, it might decline to host (and presumably we'd take up the mantle instead). Alternatively, if they've lost (and I sincerely hope not) then no one would allow a Russian puppet state to host, and we'd end up hosting as second place.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
The UK was the better song but very happy to see Ukraine win . I voted for them and I know it should be about just songs but the public clearly wanted to send a message . Pride restored for the UK so overall a great evening .
I'm probably going to lose but I've decided to heavily lay Ukraine
This was a bad idea.
It was based on the premise the public might vote on the songs. No-one in my friendship groups decided to vote Ukraine in the phone ins but Moldova, Sweden, Spain, Romania etc.
So I thought it might be hugely overhyped and the betting based on assumed emotionality.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or the European Broadcasting Area or have a majority ethnic European population
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
Everyone in the entire world comes from the same humans that left Africa. There is no difference between the origin of a UK or Chinese person except for the very very very small percentage input due to breeding with other human species that have since died out.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
Everyone in the entire world comes from the same humans that left Africa. There is no difference between the origin of a UK or Chinese person except for the very very very small percentage input due to breeding with other human species that have since died out.
Jacob Rees Mogg, Jimmy Hendrix and Timmy Mallet share a common ancestor.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
It's because there weren't enough points left for the UK to win. Ukraine won after Spain had their result announced I think, the UK would have needed Sweden to get close to zero points.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or the European Broadcasting Area or have a majority ethnic European population
The UK was the better song but very happy to see Ukraine win . I voted for them and I know it should be about just songs but the public clearly wanted to send a message . Pride restored for the UK so overall a great evening .
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
It was a certainty. All you needed to do was count the votes.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
Each of the 40 nations awards 12to1 points each for the popular vote.
The Mail have been at work while others have partied or watched the footy & Eurovision.
They have identified a top physicist who "sold Britain's nuclear secrets to Czech communist spies at the height of the Cold War". A Prof Michael Stern of Sheffield University, now retired, and living quietly in the 'burbs.
The Mail has the details of seedy meetings in Soho handing over top secrets to his Czech handlers.
The Mail have fearlessly exposed him to his neighbours. They were shocked:
"'Wow, an international spy. I never would have thought that. He is still a member of the Lib Dems as far as I know. I'll certainly ask him about it the next time I see him."
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
You have to be a member of the European Broadcasting Union, which as you say includes Jordan, plus North African countries (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria)
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
It's the same 12, 10, 8 to 1 for each country just like with the jury vote.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
Yes, a country can get a maximum of 468 points. I think it's something like ~2700 points available in total depending on which countries have made the final 25.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
Each of the 40 nations awards 12to1 points each for the popular vote.
So the maximum anyone can win in the public vote is 480 points and this is predicated on winning douze points in every single country?
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
Each of the 40 nations awards 12to1 points each for the popular vote.
So the maximum anyone can win in the public vote is 480 points and this is predicated on winning douze points in every single country?
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
You have to be a member of the European Broadcasting Union, which as you say includes Jordan, plus North African countries (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria)
Boundaries of europe are quite variable, like Kazakstan in the Euros for football etc.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
Each of the 40 nations awards 12to1 points each for the popular vote.
So the maximum anyone can win in the public vote is 480 points and this is predicated on winning douze points in every single country?
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
The smart thing to do (which I didn't do) would have been to lay Ukraine heavily before the Jury votes and then rebacked at 2/1 then.
In fact, I almost did that but then got high on my own supply and then layed some more - alcohol didn't help.
The Mail have been at work while others have partied or watched the footy & Eurovision.
They have identified a top physicist who "sold Britain's nuclear secrets to Czech communist spies at the height of the Cold War". A Prof Michael Stern of Sheffield University, now retired, and living quietly in the 'burbs.
The Mail has the details of seedy meetings in Soho handing over top secrets to his Czech handlers.
The Mail have fearlessly exposed him to his neighbours. They were shocked:
"'Wow, an international spy. I never would have thought that. He is still a member of the Lib Dems as far as I know. I'll certainly ask him about it the next time I see him."
Post-Clegg, what’s more embarrassing in Sheffield, spying for the soviet bloc or being in the LibDems?
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
Are points distributed within a cap?
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
Each of the 40 nations awards 12to1 points each for the popular vote.
So the maximum anyone can win in the public vote is 480 points and this is predicated on winning douze points in every single country?
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
Indeed, I just hope the BBC has learned putting forwards a good artist and song will lead to us doing well. It was so lamentable for so long with such awful non-descript songs and bland artists. This year's song is still in my head because it's good, last year's I didn't remember for even three seconds after it was over.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
The smart thing to do (which I didn't do) would have been to lay Ukraine heavily before the Jury votes and then rebacked at 2/1 then.
In fact, I almost did that but then got high on my own supply and then layed some more - alcohol didn't help.
Ouch. Smart thing to do was to sit this one out. Far too political and subjective. Hope you didn’t lose much.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
You're not even trying anymore. You have included the actual criteria re EBU, and then added in your own invented one and pretending they are of equal relevance!
The very fact you have had to acknowledge the European Broadcast Area is not restricted to Europe alone makes your previous assertions all the more preposterous - you clearly hadn't even googled that fact when having this little game of yours, and are trying to imply you had meant it all along.
God bless you for a good laugh. The only thing funnier would be if you pretend you are serious about this.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
The smart thing to do (which I didn't do) would have been to lay Ukraine heavily before the Jury votes and then rebacked at 2/1 then.
In fact, I almost did that but then got high on my own supply and then layed some more - alcohol didn't help.
Ouch. Smart thing to do was to sit this one out. Far too political and subjective. Hope you didn’t lose much.
About £160. But offset a bit by laying Australia in Top 10 and Sweden as winner w/o Ukraine, which I both won.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did, and IIRC Canada could do or could have done as they are or were some sort of associate member of the European Broadcasting Union but never did enter.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
Race is the reason why Australia is allowed to compete despite not being geographically in the European Broadcasting Area ie if most Australians were not of ethnic European origin it would not be able to compete.
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
Right. So why does its inclusion in a broadcasting area, which clearly has no limitation based on race, lead you to conclude that there is a limitation based on race for the contest?
Your argument at the moment appears to literally be "There is a racial component on eligibility, except for those already in it who don't meet that racial component"
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
"This year, the Eurovision Song Contest celebrates its 60th anniversary. To give the anniversary celebrations an extra dimension and to walk the talk on this year’s theme Building Bridges, the EBU and host broadcaster ORF invited Australia to compete in the Grand Final of the 2015 Eurovision Song Contest. This brings the total amount of represented countries to 40. [..] "Australia has a long tradition of broadcasting the Eurovision Song Contest and a loyal fan base watching the event every year. Broadcaster SBS from Australia is also an Associate Member of the EBU."
"So how did everyone enjoy Eurovision last night?"
"Oh, everyone all got very excited. Took some standard potshots at the Germans, ranted against the Australians for not giving the UK any points, and lots of pro Ukrainians gags"
"All in good fun it seems. Anything else?"
"Oh, and also a debate about Eurovision being restricted to majority European places, and something about continental drift and neanderthals".
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
Right. So why does its inclusion in a broadcasting area, which clearly has no limitation based on race, lead you to conclude that there is a limitation based on race for the contest?
Your argument at the moment appears to literally be "There is a racial component on eligibility, except for those already in it who don't meet that racial component"
As to go beyond the European Broadcasting Area region they have obviously decided to allow in nations of majority European ethnic origin like Australia.
Most of Africa, all of South and East Asia and most of Latin America still cannot join as they are neither in the European Broadcasting Area nor of majority European ethnic origin.
If they were able to join despite having no link to Europe either geographically, in terms of broadcast area or ethnically then it would cease to be Eurovision and be Worldvision instead
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
The smart thing to do (which I didn't do) would have been to lay Ukraine heavily before the Jury votes and then rebacked at 2/1 then.
In fact, I almost did that but then got high on my own supply and then layed some more - alcohol didn't help.
Ouch. Smart thing to do was to sit this one out. Far too political and subjective. Hope you didn’t lose much.
'Political' should make it kind of our thing though, shouldn't it?
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
They are all geographically close to Europe and full members of the broadcast area of the European Broadcasting Area.
However most of Africa and Latin America and the vast majority of Asia is not in the European Broadcast Area, nor of majority European ethnic origin like Australia and therefore ineligible to join.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
Though it was slightly shocking that of the 43 presenters/scoregivers tonight I can recall only one of them not being white - AJ Odudu for the UK's votes
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
Right. So why does its inclusion in a broadcasting area, which clearly has no limitation based on race, lead you to conclude that there is a limitation based on race for the contest?
Your argument at the moment appears to literally be "There is a racial component on eligibility, except for those already in it who don't meet that racial component"
As to go beyond the European Broadcasting Area region they have obviously decided to allow in nations of majority European ethnic origin like Australia.
Most of Africa, all of South and East Asia and most of Latin America still cannot join as they are neither in the European Broadcasting Area nor of majority European ethnic origin.
If they were able to join despite having no link to Europe either geographically, in terms of broadcast area or ethnically then it would cease to be Eurovision and be Worldvision instead
It's just a sodding name. Like the World Series being only in America.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
Race is the reason why Australia is allowed to compete despite not being geographically in the European Broadcasting Area ie if most Australians were not of ethnic European origin it would not be able to compete.
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Well I give up this hilarious diversion, since you apparently cannot read, and assume we cannot either as you jump from your previous assertion about being in Europe geographically to being in the EBA geographically and think no one will notice that blows apart the next part of your statement.
If you are now accepting that being in the EBA geographically is the key, then your bit about ethinic European origin makes no sense - because by your new logic about the EBA, one would only need to be ethnically of the EBA, which as you have been forced to accept is not analagous to Europe.
It is painfully obvious that you did not realise the EBA was not coterminous with the (already fuzzily defined) boundary of Europe when you began this, and so assumed your effort toward Eurovision racial purity could at least be argued. That you've rolled back on the point, something you usually don't do even this much, demonstrates you had not a damn clue about the EBA at the start.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
Right. So why does its inclusion in a broadcasting area, which clearly has no limitation based on race, lead you to conclude that there is a limitation based on race for the contest?
Your argument at the moment appears to literally be "There is a racial component on eligibility, except for those already in it who don't meet that racial component"
As to go beyond the European Broadcasting Area region they have obviously decided to allow in nations of majority European ethnic origin like Australia.
Most of Africa, all of South and East Asia and most of Latin America still cannot join as they are neither in the European Broadcasting Area nor of majority European ethnic origin.
If they were able to join despite having no link to Europe either geographically, in terms of broadcast area or ethnically then it would cease to be Eurovision and be Worldvision instead
It's just a sodding name. Like the World Series being only in America.
It includes Canada too but few other nations really play baseball
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
Though it was slightly shocking that of the 43 presenters/scoregivers tonight I can recall only one of them not being white - AJ Odudu for the UK's votes
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
Right. So why does its inclusion in a broadcasting area, which clearly has no limitation based on race, lead you to conclude that there is a limitation based on race for the contest?
Your argument at the moment appears to literally be "There is a racial component on eligibility, except for those already in it who don't meet that racial component"
As to go beyond the European Broadcasting Area region they have obviously decided to allow in nations of majority European ethnic origin like Australia.
Most of Africa, all of South and East Asia and most of Latin America still cannot join as they are neither in the European Broadcasting Area nor of majority European ethnic origin.
If they were able to join despite having no link to Europe either geographically, in terms of broadcast area or ethnically then it would cease to be Eurovision and be Worldvision instead
It's just a sodding name. Like the World Series being only in America.
It includes Canada too but few other nations really play baseball
"So how did everyone enjoy Eurovision last night?"
"Oh, everyone all got very excited. Took some standard potshots at the Germans, ranted against the Australians for not giving the UK any points, and lots of pro Ukrainians gags"
"All in good fun it seems. Anything else?"
"Oh, and also a debate about Eurovision being restricted to majority European places, and something about continental drift and neanderthals".
The most astonishing thing was that nice things were said about France.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
They are all geographically close to Europe and full members of the broadcast area of the European Broadcasting Area.
However most of Africa and Latin America and the vast majority of Asia is not in the European Broadcast Area, nor of majority European ethnic origin like Australia and therefore ineligible to join.
There is nothing whatsoever in the rules about European Racial majority purity which is what you first said. I might remind you that in a previous discussion you believed that African countries had IQs at a level of that of a severely mentally disabled adult or a very young infant and that the reason for their poverty was because of this low IQ.
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Nuke him.
Proof again that we should be relying on experts and not the public when it comes to big decisions.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in almost every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
If Ukraine is still fighting for its life, it might decline to host (and presumably we'd take up the mantle instead). Alternatively, if they've lost (and I sincerely hope not) then no one would allow a Russian puppet state to host, and we'd end up hosting as second place.
But I do hope they are able to host.
Discuss….
So I thought it might be hugely overhyped and the betting based on assumed emotionality.
I was wrong.
President Zelensky has congratulated Kalush Orchestra on their win for Ukraine.
"Our courage impresses the world, our music conquers Europe," he wrote on Telegram.
"We will do our best to one day host the participants and guests of Eurovision in Ukrainian Mariupol. Free, peaceful, rebuilt," he added.
As (probably) reported on Putin Today:
Prominent Nazi Leader of Ukraine confesses desire to conquer the European continent
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or the European Broadcasting Area or have a majority ethnic European population
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
I thought they were unbounded and based on absolute votes.
They have identified a top physicist who "sold Britain's nuclear secrets to Czech communist spies at the height of the Cold War". A Prof Michael Stern of Sheffield University, now retired, and living quietly in the 'burbs.
The Mail has the details of seedy meetings in Soho handing over top secrets to his Czech handlers.
https://tinyurl.com/4x3rrhj9
The Mail have fearlessly exposed him to his neighbours. They were shocked:
"'Wow, an international spy. I never would have thought that. He is still a member of the Lib Dems as far as I know. I'll certainly ask him about it the next time I see him."
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
https://www.ebu.ch/about/members/admission
And the Broadcasting area is defined as
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
https://www.sma.gov.jm/sites/default/files/publication_files/ITU-R_Radio_Regulations_2012_ 2015_ Article_5_Table of Frequencies.pdf
In fact, I almost did that but then got high on my own supply and then layed some more - alcohol didn't help.
The very fact you have had to acknowledge the European Broadcast Area is not restricted to Europe alone makes your previous assertions all the more preposterous - you clearly hadn't even googled that fact when having this little game of yours, and are trying to imply you had meant it all along.
God bless you for a good laugh. The only thing funnier would be if you pretend you are serious about this.
I think I should stick to politics.
Killer had a manifesto which suggested killing, among others, Sadiq Khan.
Edit: Nevermind, Applicant there way before me. Mariupol would indeed be great if the situation allowed by then...
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Your argument at the moment appears to literally be "There is a racial component on eligibility, except for those already in it who don't meet that racial component"
https://eurovision.tv/story/australia-to-compete-in-the-2015-eurovision-song-contest
"This year, the Eurovision Song Contest celebrates its 60th anniversary. To give the anniversary celebrations an extra dimension and to walk the talk on this year’s theme Building Bridges, the EBU and host broadcaster ORF invited Australia to compete in the Grand Final of the 2015 Eurovision Song Contest. This brings the total amount of represented countries to 40.
[..]
"Australia has a long tradition of broadcasting the Eurovision Song Contest and a loyal fan base watching the event every year. Broadcaster SBS from Australia is also an Associate Member of the EBU."
"Oh, everyone all got very excited. Took some standard potshots at the Germans, ranted against the Australians for not giving the UK any points, and lots of pro Ukrainians gags"
"All in good fun it seems. Anything else?"
"Oh, and also a debate about Eurovision being restricted to majority European places, and something about continental drift and neanderthals".
Most of Africa, all of South and East Asia and most of Latin America still cannot join as they are neither in the European Broadcasting Area nor of majority European ethnic origin.
If they were able to join despite having no link to Europe either geographically, in terms of broadcast area or ethnically then it would cease to be Eurovision and be Worldvision instead
https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/andrew-symonds-dead-at-46-after-tragic-car-accident/news-story/8238e8c8496eabe316bb691a73718619
However most of Africa and Latin America and the vast majority of Asia is not in the European Broadcast Area, nor of majority European ethnic origin like Australia and therefore ineligible to join.
If you are now accepting that being in the EBA geographically is the key, then your bit about ethinic European origin makes no sense - because by your new logic about the EBA, one would only need to be ethnically of the EBA, which as you have been forced to accept is not analagous to Europe.
It is painfully obvious that you did not realise the EBA was not coterminous with the (already fuzzily defined) boundary of Europe when you began this, and so assumed your effort toward Eurovision racial purity could at least be argued. That you've rolled back on the point, something you usually don't do even this much, demonstrates you had not a damn clue about the EBA at the start.
Next time google it first, my friend!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-bame-eu-parliament-members-ethnic-minority-a9315036.html?amp
Also big sport in Japan.
Yet you objected to being called a racist.