Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
Race is the reason why Australia is allowed to compete despite not being geographically in the European Broadcasting Area ie if most Australians were not of ethnic European origin it would not be able to compete.
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Well I give up this hilarious diversion, since you apparently cannot read, and assume we cannot either as you jump from your previous assertion about being in Europe geographically to being in the EBA geographically and think no one will notice that blows apart the next part of your statement.
If you are now accepting that being in the EBA geographically is the key, then your bit about ethinic European origin makes no sense - because by your new logic about the EBA, one would only need to be ethnically of the EBA, which as you have been forced to accept is not analagous to Europe.
It is painfully obvious that you did not realise the EBA was not coterminous with the (already fuzzily defined) boundary of Europe when you began this, and so assumed your effort toward Eurovision racial purity could at least be argued. That you've rolled back on the point, something you usually don't do even this much, demonstrates you had not a damn clue about the EBA at the start.
Next time google it first, my friend!
The EBA is geographically pretty close to the definition of Europe geographically, just adds a bit of North Africa and the Middle East which are close to Europe geographically and that were linked by telegraph cables in the 19th and early 20th century and where channels are broadcast within that area.
The reason Australia is added despite not being a full member of the European Broadcasting Area and being on the other side of the world geographically is because most of its population is of European ethnic origin.
However of the nations competing in the final tonight they were virtually all of majority ethnic European origin, even no north African or Middle Eastern nations I could see so the geographically or ethnic origin definition holds
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
Race is the reason why Australia is allowed to compete despite not being geographically in the European Broadcasting Area ie if most Australians were not of ethnic European origin it would not be able to compete.
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Well I give up this hilarious diversion, since you apparently cannot read, and assume we cannot either as you jump from your previous assertion about being in Europe geographically to being in the EBA geographically and think no one will notice that blows apart the next part of your statement.
If you are now accepting that being in the EBA geographically is the key, then your bit about ethinic European origin makes no sense - because by your new logic about the EBA, one would only need to be ethnically of the EBA, which as you have been forced to accept is not analagous to Europe.
It is painfully obvious that you did not realise the EBA was not coterminous with the (already fuzzily defined) boundary of Europe when you began this, and so assumed your effort toward Eurovision racial purity could at least be argued. That you've rolled back on the point, something you usually don't do even this much, demonstrates you had not a damn clue about the EBA at the start.
Next time google it first, my friend!
The EBA is geographically pretty close to the definition of Europe geographically, just adds a bit of North Africa and the Middle East which are close to Europe geographically and that were linked by telegraph cables in the 19th and early 20th century and where channels are broadcast within that area.
The reason Australia is added despite not being a full member of the European Broadcasting Area and being on the other side of the world geographically is because most of its population is of European ethnic origin.
However of the nations competing in the final tonight they were virtually all of majority ethnic European origin, even no north African or Middle Eastern nations I could see so the geographically or ethnic origin definition holds
"This year, the Eurovision Song Contest celebrates its 60th anniversary. To give the anniversary celebrations an extra dimension and to walk the talk on this year’s theme Building Bridges, the EBU and host broadcaster ORF invited Australia to compete in the Grand Final of the 2015 Eurovision Song Contest. This brings the total amount of represented countries to 40. [..] "Australia has a long tradition of broadcasting the Eurovision Song Contest and a loyal fan base watching the event every year. Broadcaster SBS from Australia is also an Associate Member of the EBU."
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
Race is the reason why Australia is allowed to compete despite not being geographically in the European Broadcasting Area ie if most Australians were not of ethnic European origin it would not be able to compete.
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Well I give up this hilarious diversion, since you apparently cannot read, and assume we cannot either as you jump from your previous assertion about being in Europe geographically to being in the EBA geographically and think no one will notice that blows apart the next part of your statement.
If you are now accepting that being in the EBA geographically is the key, then your bit about ethinic European origin makes no sense - because by your new logic about the EBA, one would only need to be ethnically of the EBA, which as you have been forced to accept is not analagous to Europe.
It is painfully obvious that you did not realise the EBA was not coterminous with the (already fuzzily defined) boundary of Europe when you began this, and so assumed your effort toward Eurovision racial purity could at least be argued. That you've rolled back on the point, something you usually don't do even this much, demonstrates you had not a damn clue about the EBA at the start.
Next time google it first, my friend!
The EBA is geographically pretty close to the definition of Europe geographically, just adds a bit of North Africa and the Middle East which are close to Europe geographically and that were linked by telegraph cables in the 19th and early 20th century and where channels are broadcast within that area.
The reason Australia is added despite not being a full member of the European Broadcasting Area and being on the other side of the world geographically is because most of its population is of European ethnic origin.
However of the nations competing in the final tonight they were virtually all of majority ethnic European origin, even no north African or Middle Eastern nations I could see so the geographically or ethnic origin definition holds
Oh a another new definition of what qualifies for Eurovision - telegraph cables in the 19th century. These rules are rather fluid.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
They are all geographically close to Europe and full members of the broadcast area of the European Broadcasting Area.
However most of Africa and Latin America and the vast majority of Asia is not in the European Broadcast Area, nor of majority European ethnic origin like Australia and therefore ineligible to join.
There is nothing whatsoever in the rules about European Racial majority purity which is what you first said. I might remind you that in a previous discussion you believed that African countries had IQs at a level of that of a severely mentally disabled adult or a very young infant and that the reason for their poverty was because of this low IQ.
Yet you objected to being called a racist.
I also said East Asians had a higher average IQ than whites, so clearly am not
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
It really is hilarious that he is inventing qualifying criteria when 2 minutes of googling would show that not only has race never officially been a reason (of course!), 'Europeanness' has not been universal in practice either. He's having a goof - you wait, he'll be talking about caucasian races by the time I've typed this to explain Morocco being involved.
The EBU is pretty clear on its entry requirements:
EBU Membership is open to authorized broadcasting organizations from countries which are either within the European Broadcasting Area (as defined by the ITU) or, if their country is outside that area, are members of the Council of Europe
The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area
Race is the reason why Australia is allowed to compete despite not being geographically in the European Broadcasting Area ie if most Australians were not of ethnic European origin it would not be able to compete.
Otherwise the contest would cease to be Eurovision and be WorldVision instead
Well I give up this hilarious diversion, since you apparently cannot read, and assume we cannot either as you jump from your previous assertion about being in Europe geographically to being in the EBA geographically and think no one will notice that blows apart the next part of your statement.
If you are now accepting that being in the EBA geographically is the key, then your bit about ethinic European origin makes no sense - because by your new logic about the EBA, one would only need to be ethnically of the EBA, which as you have been forced to accept is not analagous to Europe.
It is painfully obvious that you did not realise the EBA was not coterminous with the (already fuzzily defined) boundary of Europe when you began this, and so assumed your effort toward Eurovision racial purity could at least be argued. That you've rolled back on the point, something you usually don't do even this much, demonstrates you had not a damn clue about the EBA at the start.
Next time google it first, my friend!
The EBA is geographically pretty close to the definition of Europe geographically, just adds a bit of North Africa and the Middle East which are close to Europe geographically and that were linked by telegraph cables in the 19th and early 20th century and where channels are broadcast within that area.
The reason Australia is added despite not being a full member of the European Broadcasting Area and being on the other side of the world geographically is because most of its population is of European ethnic origin.
However of the nations competing in the final tonight they were virtually all of majority ethnic European origin, even no north African or Middle Eastern nations I could see so the geographically or ethnic origin definition holds
"This year, the Eurovision Song Contest celebrates its 60th anniversary. To give the anniversary celebrations an extra dimension and to walk the talk on this year’s theme Building Bridges, the EBU and host broadcaster ORF invited Australia to compete in the Grand Final of the 2015 Eurovision Song Contest. This brings the total amount of represented countries to 40. [..] "Australia has a long tradition of broadcasting the Eurovision Song Contest and a loyal fan base watching the event every year. Broadcaster SBS from Australia is also an Associate Member of the EBU."
Yup. Oddly, for a Tory, he hasn’t spotted the basic point that money talks, and the Aussie viewers meant money.
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
They are all geographically close to Europe and full members of the broadcast area of the European Broadcasting Area.
However most of Africa and Latin America and the vast majority of Asia is not in the European Broadcast Area, nor of majority European ethnic origin like Australia and therefore ineligible to join.
There is nothing whatsoever in the rules about European Racial majority purity which is what you first said. I might remind you that in a previous discussion you believed that African countries had IQs at a level of that of a severely mentally disabled adult or a very young infant and that the reason for their poverty was because of this low IQ.
Yet you objected to being called a racist.
I also said East Asians had a higher average IQ than whites, so clearly am not
I'm sorry that does excuse you. By your logic Hitler wasn't a racist because he had an alliance with Japan.
You have already said Africans are sub human by your repeated reference to IQ levels of Africans as being a 'Fact' and that is the reason for their poverty. If that is not racist I don't know what is. And tonight you try and make a distinction between European origins and the origins of other humans, which is both wrong and racist.
Baseball is popular in North America and parts of Central and South America, the Caribbean, and East Asia, particularly in Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.
I have read that Fidel Castro, who was not a bad player, tried for a position in the Yankee baseball organization. In retrospect, I wish they had taken him on. even if he didn't quite meet their standards. (I think that's true, but for me it is too good a story to check.)
XZ439 was a "re-tread"; that is an original Sea Harrier FRS1 that was remanufactured into an F/A-2 in order to, you guessed it, save money. The re-treads were always plagued with electrical problems compared to the new builds. Additionally XZ439 was Waste-of-Space's trials aircraft for years so it's probably had fuck knows what done to it.
In short, no thanks! I wouldn't fly it if you paid me $8m.
All the money on Betfair (and I mean all of it) was cleaned up minutes before the final votes for the UK came in.
Now, you might say that's because the Ukraine vote lead was insurmountable - and it was. But, the markets shouldn't have been certain it was and there should have been 1.02 or 1.03 available right to the end.
I assumed some sharp punters had done that maths on how many points were left to distribute.
I don’t think there was any foul play, based on my observation of the odds.
The thing that was puzzling was that ukraines price went from ~1/3 to ~2/1+ at start of the jury results, then back into ~1/3, in short order.
Made no sense. I mean, surely punters had gamed the sequence of events?!!
The smart thing to do (which I didn't do) would have been to lay Ukraine heavily before the Jury votes and then rebacked at 2/1 then.
In fact, I almost did that but then got high on my own supply and then layed some more - alcohol didn't help.
That would have been the lucky thing to do, not the smart thing, unless you somehow predicted the anomalous and short-lived move out. The smart thing might have been to back at 2/1 then lay all or part at 1/3.
XZ439 was a "re-tread"; that is an original Sea Harrier FRS1 that was remanufactured into an F/A-2 in order to, you guessed it, save money. The re-treads were always plagued with electrical problems compared to the new builds. Additionally XZ439 was Waste-of-Space's trials aircraft for years so it's probably had fuck knows what done to it.
In short, no thanks! I wouldn't fly it if you paid me $8m.
Just as a matter of interest, how bad are the electrical problems?
Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
Most Australians' families are of European origin however
Or African, if you go back far enough.
That was before the continents emerged geographically.
Since the continents emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
What on Earth are you saying? Modern humans came out of Africa probably within the last 200,000 years. When do you think the continents emerged? The land masses and seas were basically the same 200,000 years ago.
And neanderthals were in Europe 130,000 years ago and humans as you might now define them 30,000 years ago.
Their descendants inhabit the majority of the European nations that compete in Eurovision today and a majority of a few nations beyond Europe too ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Chile and Argentina as I said, plus Uruguay
I am unclear what you are saying. Who does “Their” refer to?
Ethnic Europeans ie the majority of the population in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Sorry, I remain baffled by what point you were making. Why did you mention Neanderthals?
The modern European population largely comes from the Near East/Middle East (via the spread of agriculture) and partly from the Indo-European Urheimat of the Pontic steppe, IIRC.
They were the first here and yes you can add some who came to Europe after.
Their descendants comprise the ethnic Europeans who make up most of the European population as well as the majority of the population in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina as I said
All non-African populations have a bit of Neanderthal ancestry, but very little. Europeans are not Neanderthals. We’re almost entirely descended from the same African evolution of modern humans as everyone else.
Well so what. That is completely irrelevant to what constitutes am ethnic European which was the original discussion.
Ethnic Europeans are the descendants of the original population of Europe ie those who constitute the majority of the population in Europe, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Hence why Australia can compete in Eurovision
I don't think that's officially the reason, unless Eurovision got sponsored by the KKK and I missed it.
Well it is the logical reason
It's also kind of racist. I think it's more likely that Eurovision is just really popular in Australia. If Eurovision officially became a contest only for white people I might pay it even less attention than I do already, however difficult that might be.
No it isn't. There is nothing racist about saying most Australians are ethnic Europeans, it is just fact.
Non white minorities in the participating countries can compete too but the majority of the population in every Eurovision competing nation is ethnic European
Australia were invited to join Eurovision because of the 60th anniversary of the contest.
And the fact most of their population are ethnic European made that possible.
To enter Eurovision you must either be a country at least partly in Europe geographically or have a majority ethnic European population
No. Jordan has been in in the past. There isn't a racial qualification.
To be a participant a nation has to be in Europe geographically or the European Broadcast Area region at least or have a population of majority ethnic European origin.
Jordan has never competed in Eurovision as far as I can see
I think Morocco once did
They are in the European Broadcasting Area
But they don't come under your bizarre definition of European origin do they? Just like lots of other countries that are eligible like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya those other well known Europe countries with, let's face it, what you really wanted to say restricted to people white faces.
They are all geographically close to Europe and full members of the broadcast area of the European Broadcasting Area.
However most of Africa and Latin America and the vast majority of Asia is not in the European Broadcast Area, nor of majority European ethnic origin like Australia and therefore ineligible to join.
There is nothing whatsoever in the rules about European Racial majority purity which is what you first said. I might remind you that in a previous discussion you believed that African countries had IQs at a level of that of a severely mentally disabled adult or a very young infant and that the reason for their poverty was because of this low IQ.
Yet you objected to being called a racist.
I also said East Asians had a higher average IQ than whites, so clearly am not
I'm sorry that does excuse you. By your logic Hitler wasn't a racist because he had an alliance with Japan.
You have already said Africans are sub human by your repeated reference to IQ levels of Africans as being a 'Fact' and that is the reason for their poverty. If that is not racist I don't know what is. And tonight you try and make a distinction between European origins and the origins of other humans, which is both wrong and racist.
As a left liberal obviously you throw out the race card when the facts don't suit your ideological agenda
XZ439 was a "re-tread"; that is an original Sea Harrier FRS1 that was remanufactured into an F/A-2 in order to, you guessed it, save money. The re-treads were always plagued with electrical problems compared to the new builds. Additionally XZ439 was Waste-of-Space's trials aircraft for years so it's probably had fuck knows what done to it.
In short, no thanks! I wouldn't fly it if you paid me $8m.
Just as a matter of interest, how bad are the electrical problems?
Any tips for how to remove a small wood splinter embedded in my thumb? V near surface but cannot seem to squeeze it out .....
I had exactly that problem last month.
I tried tweezers. Didn’t work.
So I left it.
A small blister came up, it filled with pus, followed by blood and eventually drained. ~2 weeks later the skin frayed, leaving new skin behind and inside the ex-blister was a tiny splinter, which popped out.
The human body is amazing at dealing with these things.
Thanks for the tips all.
Off to shops tomorrow to get some needles etc.
I'd rather not go the blister route because I recently got an infection in my other thumb which necessitated many hours in A&E and a week's worth of antibiotics. I have managed to avoid Covid but small infections are a nightmare.
A bit late, but if you’re still around on this thread: get Calpol from the supermarket. It comes with a syringe thing with a flat bottom and a hole. Use this to press the hole against the entry point of the splinter - firmly enough that your skin makes a seal. Pull up on the plunger and it sucks the splinter out.
NRW election today is a big test for Friedrich Merz IMO. I think CDU will be narrowly largest party but it is unclear if SPD-Greens can get a majority or not.
Turnout up already in Cologne on 2017 which is great news for the Greens.
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The reason Australia is added despite not being a full member of the European Broadcasting Area and being on the other side of the world geographically is because most of its population is of European ethnic origin.
However of the nations competing in the final tonight they were virtually all of majority ethnic European origin, even no north African or Middle Eastern nations I could see so the geographically or ethnic origin definition holds
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/sport/australian-cricket-legend-andrew-symonds-killed-in-single-car-accident-in-townsville/news-story/4394f21bed23b83474781e9837c0d6a2
https://eurovision.tv/story/australia-to-compete-in-the-2015-eurovision-song-contest
"This year, the Eurovision Song Contest celebrates its 60th anniversary. To give the anniversary celebrations an extra dimension and to walk the talk on this year’s theme Building Bridges, the EBU and host broadcaster ORF invited Australia to compete in the Grand Final of the 2015 Eurovision Song Contest. This brings the total amount of represented countries to 40.
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"Australia has a long tradition of broadcasting the Eurovision Song Contest and a loyal fan base watching the event every year. Broadcaster SBS from Australia is also an Associate Member of the EBU."
You have already said Africans are sub human by your repeated reference to IQ levels of Africans as being a 'Fact' and that is the reason for their poverty. If that is not racist I don't know what is. And tonight you try and make a distinction between European origins and the origins of other humans, which is both wrong and racist.
As far as I know, solarvison, galaxyvision, and universevision are still open.
I have read that Fidel Castro, who was not a bad player, tried for a position in the Yankee baseball organization. In retrospect, I wish they had taken him on. even if he didn't quite meet their standards. (I think that's true, but for me it is too good a story to check.)
In short, no thanks! I wouldn't fly it if you paid me $8m.
Well, you are a judge of the risks, and I'm not, but I was hoping to see pictures of the aircraft taking off and landing, posted here.
A bit late, but if you’re still around on this thread: get Calpol from the supermarket. It comes with a syringe thing with a flat bottom and a hole.
Use this to press the hole against the entry point of the splinter - firmly enough that your skin makes a seal.
Pull up on the plunger and it sucks the splinter out.
Turnout up already in Cologne on 2017 which is great news for the Greens.