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Heathener said:

This was the moment when Jim Callaghan lost the Vote of No Confidence and the rest, as they say, is history. Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJFssfH2Z8

Maggie would have been revolted by Boris Johnson. He wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in her Cabinet.

Northern_Al said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

malcolmg said:

Gardenwalker said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

HYUFD said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Between Boris Johnson's performance today and that poll finding I have lost faith in my country.

Take my advice.

Emigrate.

Tempted to move to France, Canada, or Australia.

Well, you can knock Canada off the list - that's where the Hawaiian pizza was invented.

If you think our winters are cold and dark, try Canada's

Toronto has brighter winters than London.

I’m finding New York very cold but the sunshine is glorious; I much prefer it.

When it comes to grey hardly anywhere beats the UK.

Yes.

I frankly came to dread the U.K. winter.
And that was London. Christ knows what it’s like in, say, Glasgow.

Southwest of Glasgow at coast is very mild , can be a bit wet but extremely pleasant. Plenty of nice bracing days , bit of sunshine and a few gales but perfectly lovely. Days are short mind you but you get bonus of only a few hours dark in summer so cannot complain.

Afternoon, Malc.

I miss Scotland terribly as I haven’t been able to get up there for going on years now. I’m looking forward to the Scottish Tartan Parade here in NYC in April which will be hosted by Karen Gillan.

@TSE, I extend you a standing invitation.

Karen Gillan you say.

I shall be there.

My own weakness in life is redheads.

Are you a fan of Lloyd Russell-Moyle then?

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Between Boris Johnson's performance today and that poll finding I have lost faith in my country.

Take my advice.

Emigrate.

Tempted to move to France, Canada, or Australia.

Well, you can knock Canada off the list - that's where the Hawaiian pizza was invented.

If you think our winters are cold and dark, try Canada's

Vancouver isn't cold. Nor is populated Canada darker. It's much further south than us.
Most Canadians live south of Seattle. One of my favourite facts.

Winnipeg has over 600,000 people and is -6 Celsius today. Edmonton has over 1 million people and is -15 degrees Celsius today.

Parts of populated Canada certainly do get very cold in winter

Nevertheless you also said “dark”. Sunset in Winnipeg today will be, in local time, a whole half hour later than mine - and I have one of the longest winter daylight spans in the UK.

Edmonton, population over 1 million, is north of us and therefore darker than us in winter too as well as colder

Mexicanpete said:

IshmaelZ said:

Mexicanpete said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rpjs said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Labour must be reviewing whether now is the right time to table a parliamentary confidence vote. They need to judge whether the momentum will have been lost by the time the Met eventually decide to take no action.

How could the likes of Hon Mr Bell vote confidence in Johnson after today?

They will not vote for a GE

There's no need for a Parliamentary VONC. The letters to the 1922 committee procedure is purely an internal party matter.

It was suggested Labour call a confidence vote and some conservatives would vote with Labour.

That is not the same as the 54 letters to the 1922

I don't like Johnson and I want him to go but one has to admire his comprehensive takedown of Starmer was superb. First the Saville put down which the BBC are loving.

Big Dog

StuartDickson said:

IshmaelZ said:

Carnyx said:

NorthofStoke said:

BannedinnParis said:

Cyclefree said:

I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

I suspect

That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.

I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..

Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.

She goes to the press

Ye

Bo

You keep repeating this on here every few minutes but that doesn't make it any the more true.

No one else, literally no one else, thinks it was a smart move. The jibe lowered the tone still further and by linking Savile to the debate today, the impression people come away with is not what you think. It's of two disresputable people who got off without investigation.

And I'm sure you don't really mean to be saying that the BBC loved the Savile comment. I mean, apart from not knowing how to spell his name, do you not know anything about the background to Jimmy Savile and the BBC?

It scythed Starmer down. Starmer was poor today. Mrs May, and Tissue price were excellent.

I thought Johnson came out swinging, and whether you and I might be disappointed that he saved his bacon, he did, because there are still not 54 MPs who were concerned enough to put their letters to Brady

You OK?

SKS was superb, and the 54 letters haven't not gone in yet

He really wasn't. Aaron was heartfelt and brilliant, as was Mrs May. Mitchell was effective.

Starmer, Phillips, Blackford and Baker were particularly disappointing.

Johnson unfortunately held his own, whether it was good enough remains to be seen.

DavidL said:

Watching episode 4 of the Watchmen. Still to work out what the hell is going on but I am fascinated by some superb characters and the complete weirdness.

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Between Boris Johnson's performance today and that poll finding I have lost faith in my country.

Take my advice.

Emigrate.

Tempted to move to France, Canada, or Australia.

Well, you can knock Canada off the list - that's where the Hawaiian pizza was invented.

If you think our winters are cold and dark, try Canada's

Vancouver isn't cold. Nor is populated Canada darker. It's much further south than us.
Most Canadians live south of Seattle. One of my favourite facts.

Winnipeg has over 600,000 people and is -6 Celsius today. Edmonton has over 1 million people and is -15 degrees Celsius today.

Parts of populated Canada certainly do get very cold in winter

Nevertheless you also said “dark”. Sunset in Winnipeg today will be, in local time, a whole half hour later than mine - and I have one of the longest winter daylight spans in the UK.

Edmonton, population over 1 million, is north of us and therefore darker than us in winter too as well as colder

Gardenwalker said:

DavidL said:

Watching episode 4 of the Watchmen. Still to work out what the hell is going on but I am fascinated by some superb characters and the complete weirdness.

Starts good and gets rapidly more confusing and bollocks. Sorry.

IanB2 said:

Heathener said:

This was the moment when Jim Callaghan lost the Vote of No Confidence and the rest, as they say, is history. Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJFssfH2Z8

Maggie would have been revolted by Boris Johnson.

A recording of that debate is knocking around somewhere on iPlayer and/or the Internet, and it’s a cracking listen. It really brings home how far debating standards have fallen in the Commons over recent decades. Despite his poor reputation, Callaghan puts in a tremendous speech, as does Mrs T.

HYUFD said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

"He’s made us all look corrupt and made the country feel like fools"

Any party that makes the likes of Boris Johnson - or Donald Trump - its leader IS corrupt, by definition.

And any country that elects their like, such as the UK - or USA - and puts them into power is ipso facto a pack of fools.

EDIT - I point this out, mainly in derision of the "made us" in the chastened Tory MPs remark. Much like Joe Rogan "sorry if I pissed you off".

Or any alleged "apology" ever uttered (apparently) by Boris Johnson.

So that makes Italy which elected Berlusconi or France which elected Sarkozy and Fillon, all convicted criminals, corrupt too?

IshmaelZ said:

PM announced intention to involve Backbenchers much more in new policy going forward using Sir Graham Brady as chair of new unit

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1488227431534276608

Gardenwalker said:

kle4 said:

El_Capitano said:

Gardenwalker said:

I watched too much of PMQs.

But putting aside the highlights - Keir, Blackford, May, and Bell - one observation is how generally ineffective Opposition MPs were.

Simply calling for Boris to resign doesn’t really do much. Of course Boris is not going to say, “You are right Nadia Whitthome, I will resign now.”

It would have been far more profitable to hammer at the bizarre inconsistencies both in the PM’s testimony so far, and indeed the process of inquiry.

Abbot had a creditable go, but there were only one or two others. Davey utterly sunk without trace, not sure what he was trying to do today.

Wera Hobhouse was a bit of a wtf moment too.

Wera 'We should listen to health concerns about 5G' Hobhouse being a bit WTF, you say?

I think the 5G criticisms are overdone.

The Lib Dems had a chance to focus on the shoddiness of the process here:

An inquiry that reports to the lead “suspect”.

A deliberate strategy to delay and obfuscate the House and public.

A Met investigation which may take months or even years to report.

Allegations of lying to the House which now might never be definitively addressed.

The resultant feeling of powerless in the country as leaders get off scot-free.

But they went with the standard, “my constituent missed granny’s funeral, won’t the PM resign” stuff. Which we’ve had.

HYUFD said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

"He’s made us all look corrupt and made the country feel like fools"

Any party that makes the likes of Boris Johnson - or Donald Trump - its leader IS corrupt, by definition.

And any country that elects their like, such as the UK - or USA - and puts them into power is ipso facto a pack of fools.

EDIT - I point this out, mainly in derision of the "made us" in the chastened Tory MPs remark. Much like Joe Rogan "sorry if I pissed you off".

Or any alleged "apology" ever uttered (apparently) by Boris Johnson.

So that makes Italy which elected Berlusconi or France which elected Sarkozy and Fillon, all convicted criminals, corrupt too?

moonshine said:

dr_spyn said:

Is a dam cracking?

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1488219064422047753

A PPS stands down.

https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1488200463199653888?s=21

Meanwhile lick spittle Gove is quick out the traps to stand behind the PM.

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rpjs said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Labour must be reviewing whether now is the right time to table a parliamentary confidence vote. They need to judge whether the momentum will have been lost by the time the Met eventually decide to take no action.

How could the likes of Hon Mr Bell vote confidence in Johnson after today?

They will not vote for a GE

There's no need for a Parliamentary VONC. The letters to the 1922 committee procedure is purely an internal party matter.

It was suggested Labour call a confidence vote and some conservatives would vote with Labour.

That is not the same as the 54 letters to the 1922

I don't like Johnson and I want him to go but one has to admire his comprehensive takedown of Starmer was superb. First the Saville put down which the BBC are loving.

Big Dog

StuartDickson said:

IshmaelZ said:

Carnyx said:

NorthofStoke said:

BannedinnParis said:

Cyclefree said:

I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

I suspect

That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.

I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..

Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.

She goes to the press

Ye

Bo

You keep repeating this on here every few minutes but that doesn't make it any the more true.

No one else, literally no one else, thinks it was a smart move. The jibe lowered the tone still further and by linking Savile to the debate today, the impression people come away with is not what you think. It's of two disresputable people who got off without investigation.

And I'm sure you don't really mean to be saying that the BBC loved the Savile comment. I mean, apart from not knowing how to spell his name, do you not know anything about the background to Jimmy Savile and the BBC?

It scythed Starmer down. Starmer was poor today. Mrs May, and Tissue price were excellent.

I thought Johnson came out swinging, and whether you and I might be disappointed that he saved his bacon, he did, because there are still not 54 MPs who were concerned enough to put their letters to Brady

Gosh did you really think Starmer was poor? I very much didn't. That for me was pitch perfect.

Gardenwalker said:

malcolmg said:

Gardenwalker said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

HYUFD said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Between Boris Johnson's performance today and that poll finding I have lost faith in my country.

Take my advice.

Emigrate.

Tempted to move to France, Canada, or Australia.

Well, you can knock Canada off the list - that's where the Hawaiian pizza was invented.

If you think our winters are cold and dark, try Canada's

Toronto has brighter winters than London.

I’m finding New York very cold but the sunshine is glorious; I much prefer it.

When it comes to grey hardly anywhere beats the UK.

Yes.

I frankly came to dread the U.K. winter.
And that was London. Christ knows what it’s like in, say, Glasgow.

Southwest of Glasgow at coast is very mild , can be a bit wet but extremely pleasant. Plenty of nice bracing days , bit of sunshine and a few gales but perfectly lovely. Days are short mind you but you get bonus of only a few hours dark in summer so cannot complain.

Afternoon, Malc.

I miss Scotland terribly as I haven’t been able to get up there for going on years now. I’m looking forward to the Scottish Tartan Parade here in NYC in April which will be hosted by Karen Gillan.

@TSE, I extend you a standing invitation.

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The absence of any more Tory backbench questions is telling a story.

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1488196115044487173

Bloody right, is this the 5th SNP er in a row?

#ConBackbenchersBottledIt

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WhisperingOracle said:

The thing about David Gawke's idea the MP's should act now as the Gray report when published will de damning anyway, is : what if the report isn't out for ages ?

Rebel MPs had reason to wait until today, since it would have been difficult to get the required support with no 10 able to play the ‘wait for Gray’ defence.

Now that Gray has come out fairly bad - with a pointer of worse to come - there is less reason to wait.

IshmaelZ said:

PM announced intention to involve Backbenchers much more in new policy going forward using Sir Graham Brady as chair of new unit

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1488227431534276608

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

IanB2 said:

Heathener said:

This was the moment when Jim Callaghan lost the Vote of No Confidence and the rest, as they say, is history. Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJFssfH2Z8

Maggie would have been revolted by Boris Johnson.

A recording of that debate is knocking around somewhere on iPlayer and/or the Internet, and it’s a cracking listen. It really brings home how far debating standards have fallen in the Commons over recent decades. Despite his poor reputation, Callaghan puts in a tremendous speech, as does Mrs T.

IDK, perhaps in times to come random references to paedophiles will be considered the height of sophisticated debate.

People read more then and had a wider vocabulary on average as a result.

In the late 1970s there was no Internet, no social media, no iPhones and only 3 TV channels

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The absence of any more Tory backbench questions is telling a story.

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1488196115044487173

Bloody right, is this the 5th SNP er in a row?

#ConBackbenchersBottledIt

Boris is playing his party like a violin

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

IshmaelZ said:

Mexicanpete said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rpjs said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Labour must be reviewing whether now is the right time to table a parliamentary confidence vote. They need to judge whether the momentum will have been lost by the time the Met eventually decide to take no action.

How could the likes of Hon Mr Bell vote confidence in Johnson after today?

They will not vote for a GE

There's no need for a Parliamentary VONC. The letters to the 1922 committee procedure is purely an internal party matter.

It was suggested Labour call a confidence vote and some conservatives would vote with Labour.

That is not the same as the 54 letters to the 1922

I don't like Johnson and I want him to go but one has to admire his comprehensive takedown of Starmer was superb. First the Saville put down which the BBC are loving.

Big Dog

StuartDickson said:

IshmaelZ said:

Carnyx said:

NorthofStoke said:

BannedinnParis said:

Cyclefree said:

I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

I suspect

That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.

I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..

Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.

She goes to the press

Ye

Bo

You keep repeating this on here every few minutes but that doesn't make it any the more true.

No one else, literally no one else, thinks it was a smart move. The jibe lowered the tone still further and by linking Savile to the debate today, the impression people come away with is not what you think. It's of two disresputable people who got off without investigation.

And I'm sure you don't really mean to be saying that the BBC loved the Savile comment. I mean, apart from not knowing how to spell his name, do you not know anything about the background to Jimmy Savile and the BBC?

It scythed Starmer down. Starmer was poor today. Mrs May, and Tissue price were excellent.

I thought Johnson came out swinging, and whether you and I might be disappointed that he saved his bacon, he did, because there are still not 54 MPs who were concerned enough to put their letters to Brady

You OK?

SKS was superb, and the 54 letters haven't not gone in yet

He really wasn't. Aaron was heartfelt and brilliant, as was Mrs May. Mitchell was effective.

Starmer, Phillips, Blackford and Baker were particularly disappointing.

Johnson unfortunately held his own, whether it was good enough remains to be seen.

I don't buy your 'unfortunately' adverb. You work for Boris Johnson, don't you? Admit it?

No one I know thinks Johnson was good today and everyone I know, right or left, thinks SKS was dignified and got the tone just right. Even Priti Patel was nodding in agreement with him.

Daveyboy1961 said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rpjs said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Labour must be reviewing whether now is the right time to table a parliamentary confidence vote. They need to judge whether the momentum will have been lost by the time the Met eventually decide to take no action.

How could the likes of Hon Mr Bell vote confidence in Johnson after today?

They will not vote for a GE

There's no need for a Parliamentary VONC. The letters to the 1922 committee procedure is purely an internal party matter.

It was suggested Labour call a confidence vote and some conservatives would vote with Labour.

That is not the same as the 54 letters to the 1922

I don't like Johnson and I want him to go but one has to admire his comprehensive takedown of Starmer was superb. First the Saville put down which the BBC are loving.

Big Dog

StuartDickson said:

IshmaelZ said:

Carnyx said:

NorthofStoke said:

BannedinnParis said:

Cyclefree said:

I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

I suspect

That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.

I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..

Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.

She goes to the press

Ye

Bo

You keep repeating this on here every few minutes but that doesn't make it any the more true.

No one else, literally no one else, thinks it was a smart move. The jibe lowered the tone still further and by linking Savile to the debate today, the impression people come away with is not what you think. It's of two disresputable people who got off without investigation.

And I'm sure you don't really mean to be saying that the BBC loved the Savile comment. I mean, apart from not knowing how to spell his name, do you not know anything about the background to Jimmy Savile and the BBC?

It scythed Starmer down. Starmer was poor today. Mrs May, and Tissue price were excellent.

I thought Johnson came out swinging, and whether you and I might be disappointed that he saved his bacon, he did, because there are still not 54 MPs who were concerned enough to put their letters to Brady

Gosh did you really think Starmer was poor? I very much didn't. That for me was pitch perfect.

I'm not sure what Mexicanpete was watching to be honest.

Roger said:

Ch4 News is excellent. Dorries is crucifying herrself and her hapless boss.

Gardenwalker said:

HYUFD said:

Michael Fabricant says Boris' address to the 1922 tonight was like a Billy Graham evangelical love in


https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1488229598903078912?s=20&t=Fi3Wi04ksxsUmicRr2k1Tw

Suspect he is confused; he means Jim Jones.

Heathener said:

Politics was of such higher quality back then.

You can't blame it all on Boris Johnson. It has gone downhill for years. Tony Blair wasn't a parliamentarian, preferring media briefing to the House. David Cameron was okay I suppose. Theresa May likewise. The Remainer Parliament, even though I'm a remainer, was ridiculous really.

But Boris Johnson has taken politics down into the gutter.

WhisperingOracle said:

Heathener said:

Politics was of such higher quality back then.

You can't blame it all on Boris Johnson. It has gone downhill for years. Tony Blair wasn't a parliamentarian, preferring media briefing to the House. David Cameron was okay I suppose. Theresa May likewise. The Remainer Parliament, even though I'm a remainer, was ridiculous really.

But Boris Johnson has taken politics down into the gutter.

Grieve was an excellent parliamentarian however, and he was also the chief remainer. May tried to bypass parliament many times, which is why he came in.

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Between Boris Johnson's performance today and that poll finding I have lost faith in my country.

Take my advice.

Emigrate.

Tempted to move to France, Canada, or Australia.

Well, you can knock Canada off the list - that's where the Hawaiian pizza was invented.

If you think our winters are cold and dark, try Canada's

Vancouver isn't cold. Nor is populated Canada darker. It's much further south than us.
Most Canadians live south of Seattle. One of my favourite facts.

Winnipeg has over 600,000 people and is -6 Celsius today. Edmonton has over 1 million people and is -15 degrees Celsius today.

Parts of populated Canada certainly do get very cold in winter

Nevertheless you also said “dark”. Sunset in Winnipeg today will be, in local time, a whole half hour later than mine - and I have one of the longest winter daylight spans in the UK.

Edmonton, population over 1 million, is north of us and therefore darker than us in winter too as well as colder

moonshine said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Heathener said:

Politics was of such higher quality back then.

You can't blame it all on Boris Johnson. It has gone downhill for years. Tony Blair wasn't a parliamentarian, preferring media briefing to the House. David Cameron was okay I suppose. Theresa May likewise. The Remainer Parliament, even though I'm a remainer, was ridiculous really.

But Boris Johnson has taken politics down into the gutter.

Grieve was an excellent parliamentarian however, and he was also the chief remainer. May tried to bypass parliament many times, which is why he came in.

The appalling actions of Grieve and co directly led to the elevation of Johnson to PM.

Mexicanpete said:

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Daveyboy1961 said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rpjs said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Labour must be reviewing whether now is the right time to table a parliamentary confidence vote. They need to judge whether the momentum will have been lost by the time the Met eventually decide to take no action.

How could the likes of Hon Mr Bell vote confidence in Johnson after today?

They will not vote for a GE

There's no need for a Parliamentary VONC. The letters to the 1922 committee procedure is purely an internal party matter.

It was suggested Labour call a confidence vote and some conservatives would vote with Labour.

That is not the same as the 54 letters to the 1922

I don't like Johnson and I want him to go but one has to admire his comprehensive takedown of Starmer was superb. First the Saville put down which the BBC are loving.

Big Dog

StuartDickson said:

IshmaelZ said:

Carnyx said:

NorthofStoke said:

BannedinnParis said:

Cyclefree said:

I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

I suspect

That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.

I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..

Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.

She goes to the press

Ye

Bo

You keep repeating this on here every few minutes but that doesn't make it any the more true.

No one else, literally no one else, thinks it was a smart move. The jibe lowered the tone still further and by linking Savile to the debate today, the impression people come away with is not what you think. It's of two disresputable people who got off without investigation.

And I'm sure you don't really mean to be saying that the BBC loved the Savile comment. I mean, apart from not knowing how to spell his name, do you not know anything about the background to Jimmy Savile and the BBC?

It scythed Starmer down. Starmer was poor today. Mrs May, and Tissue price were excellent.

I thought Johnson came out swinging, and whether you and I might be disappointed that he saved his bacon, he did, because there are still not 54 MPs who were concerned enough to put their letters to Brady

Gosh did you really think Starmer was poor? I very much didn't. That for me was pitch perfect.

I'm not sure what Mexicanpete was watching to be honest.

I wasn't, I was listening on 5Live in Tesco Brewery Field carpark in Bridgend. I'd just paid my tax bill for this half year, so I wasn't in the best of spirits, then Johnson came out swinging and the rebels including Baker all fell in behind him.

Maybe I am reading it wrong, but he looks safe to me

HYUFD said:

Opinium have done a snap poll this evening after the Gray report.

50% of Tory voters still want Boris to stay PM, 44% to go

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1488232558793945089?s=20&t=Fi3Wi04ksxsUmicRr2k1Tw

dixiedean said:

Just to post the poll findings of all voters. Not just Tories.

- Two thirds of voters (64%) want Boris Johnson to resign following the Sue Gray report.
- 83% believe he broke lockdown rules
- 75% believe he is not telling the truth.

January 31, 2022

TOPPING said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

TOPPING said:

Thing is we're all saying how amazing Aaron Bell is but was he not paying attention on PB. Plenty of people have been saying for ages on here how manifestly unfit Boris is for office.

Has it only just dawned on @Tissue_Price.

More fool him if so and yes sorry because I realise he is s PB icon.

I don't ever remember him being a Johnson apologist? Correct me if I am wrong?

Well he is in his party of government. That's a pretty strong endorsement and would have had to sign up to the Brexit pledge.

RandallFlagg said:

JBriskin3 said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

IshmaelZ said:

Mexicanpete said:

Heathener said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rpjs said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Labour must be reviewing whether now is the right time to table a parliamentary confidence vote. They need to judge whether the momentum will have been lost by the time the Met eventually decide to take no action.

How could the likes of Hon Mr Bell vote confidence in Johnson after today?

They will not vote for a GE

There's no need for a Parliamentary VONC. The letters to the 1922 committee procedure is purely an internal party matter.

It was suggested Labour call a confidence vote and some conservatives would vote with Labour.

That is not the same as the 54 letters to the 1922

I don't like Johnson and I want him to go but one has to admire his comprehensive takedown of Starmer was superb. First the Saville put down which the BBC are loving.

Big Dog

StuartDickson said:

IshmaelZ said:

Carnyx said:

NorthofStoke said:

BannedinnParis said:

Cyclefree said:

I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

I suspect

That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.

I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..

Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.

She goes to the press

Ye

Bo

You keep repeating this on here every few minutes but that doesn't make it any the more true.

No one else, literally no one else, thinks it was a smart move. The jibe lowered the tone still further and by linking Savile to the debate today, the impression people come away with is not what you think. It's of two disresputable people who got off without investigation.

And I'm sure you don't really mean to be saying that the BBC loved the Savile comment. I mean, apart from not knowing how to spell his name, do you not know anything about the background to Jimmy Savile and the BBC?

It scythed Starmer down. Starmer was poor today. Mrs May, and Tissue price were excellent.

I thought Johnson came out swinging, and whether you and I might be disappointed that he saved his bacon, he did, because there are still not 54 MPs who were concerned enough to put their letters to Brady

You OK?

SKS was superb, and the 54 letters haven't not gone in yet

He really wasn't. Aaron was heartfelt and brilliant, as was Mrs May. Mitchell was effective.

Starmer, Phillips, Blackford and Baker were particularly disappointing.

Johnson unfortunately held his own, whether it was good enough remains to be seen.

I don't buy your 'unfortunately' adverb. You work for Boris Johnson, don't you? Admit it?

No one I know thinks Johnson was good today and everyone I know, right or left, thinks SKS was dignified and got the tone just right. Even Priti Patel was nodding in agreement with him.

Boris better than Sir Keir today is also my analysis.

And I'm sure that you believe this has nothing to do with Sir Keir being more amenable to a Section 30 order than Boris is...

Daveyboy1961 said:

HYUFD said:

dixiedean said:

Just to post the poll findings of all voters. Not just Tories.

- Two thirds of voters (64%) want Boris Johnson to resign following the Sue Gray report.
- 83% believe he broke lockdown rules
- 75% believe he is not telling the truth.

January 31, 2022

All voters don't get a say until the next general election as we have a Tory majority government.

Until then only the views of Tory MPs, Tory members and Tory voters matter as to whether Boris stays PM

Classic, the rest of the world doesn't count.

HYUFD said:

dixiedean said:

Just to post the poll findings of all voters. Not just Tories.

- Two thirds of voters (64%) want Boris Johnson to resign following the Sue Gray report.
- 83% believe he broke lockdown rules
- 75% believe he is not telling the truth.

January 31, 2022

All voters don't get a say until the next general election as we have a Tory majority government.

Until then only the views of Tory MPs, Tory members and Tory voters matter as to whether Boris stays PM

WhisperingOracle said:

JBriskin3 said:

WhisperingOracle said:

moonshine said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Heathener said:

Politics was of such higher quality back then.

You can't blame it all on Boris Johnson. It has gone downhill for years. Tony Blair wasn't a parliamentarian, preferring media briefing to the House. David Cameron was okay I suppose. Theresa May likewise. The Remainer Parliament, even though I'm a remainer, was ridiculous really.

But Boris Johnson has taken politics down into the gutter.

Grieve was an excellent parliamentarian however, and he was also the chief remainer. May tried to bypass parliament many times, which is why he came in.

The appalling actions of Grieve and co directly led to the elevation of Johnson to PM.

No they didn't, but this is a common rewriting of history on the Brexiter side , that we've discussed many times on here. What made an extreme populist prime minister inevitable was in fact the actions of May in gradually excluding all softer Brexit options.

If May was still PM we'd still be negotiating our terms of release.

Got Brexit Done. Signed off Section 30 letter.

If Boris is indeed Toast I will remember him fondly.

That's why she couldn't have been, as I was mentioning. She set an extremely populist agenda in motion but was just inherently incapable of delivering it, clearing the way inevitably for our friend Bozo, the most nakedly populist of the main candidates, to come in.

eek said:

Nick Gullon
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Boris Johnson:

A failure of leadership

A failure of judgment

Continuing to fail our country

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