May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
Am told Boris Johnson compared himself to Othello while addressing Conservative MPs tonight. He said he always sees the best in people, unlike Dominic Cummings (who he cast as Iago) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488249949284409354
Then he should follow Othello’s example, and do what the moor did when he found out that he’d been deceived by Iago.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Katy Balls: Gray’s update, in which she was more than keen to stress this was not her report and just a summary, and Johnson’s response to it, has put him back in the danger zone.
When he needed to be statesmanlike and contrite, he was angry and combative – even refusing to commit to publishing the full report once the police investigation was concluded (a position Downing Street has already had to U-turn on).
His attack on Keir Starmer for the failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile (a claim that has been disproven) dismayed even his own MPs – while his questioning of drug use by the Labour frontbench was viewed as simply bizarre. “It was terrible,” says one member of the payroll… behind the scenes, discomfort is building. Johnson’s response to the report has only added to doubts about his future. For all the talk from Johnson of change in how No 10 operates, the part that most worries MPs is that he may not realise that he needs to change, too.
None of which makes any difference if nearly all his own MPs are too venal and cowardly to give him the boot. We'll end up being stuck with the bugger until 2024 - and if he makes a sufficiently effective job of bribing the aged, even that might not be the end of it.
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
Hopefully. Although probably not.
EEA/EFTA will be fine for now. Probably where we always should have been.
Am told Boris Johnson compared himself to Othello while addressing Conservative MPs tonight. He said he always sees the best in people, unlike Dominic Cummings (who he cast as Iago) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488249949284409354
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
Hopefully. Although probably not.
EEA/EFTA will be fine for now. Probably where we always should have been.
Fair Do's
A bit oxymoronic but heh that happens to the best of us.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
Boris thinks he is the king. (Apparently he called himself the king as a boy.)
So I don't think there will be 54 votes soon. Only if and when they are certain they can kill the king will they strike. This requires 180 Tory MPS to win a VONC. That's a stretch.
Katy Balls: Gray’s update, in which she was more than keen to stress this was not her report and just a summary, and Johnson’s response to it, has put him back in the danger zone.
When he needed to be statesmanlike and contrite, he was angry and combative – even refusing to commit to publishing the full report once the police investigation was concluded (a position Downing Street has already had to U-turn on).
His attack on Keir Starmer for the failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile (a claim that has been disproven) dismayed even his own MPs – while his questioning of drug use by the Labour frontbench was viewed as simply bizarre. “It was terrible,” says one member of the payroll… behind the scenes, discomfort is building. Johnson’s response to the report has only added to doubts about his future. For all the talk from Johnson of change in how No 10 operates, the part that most worries MPs is that he may not realise that he needs to change, too.
None of which makes any difference if nearly all his own MPs are too venal and cowardly to give him the boot. We'll end up being stuck with the bugger until 2024 - and if he makes a sufficiently effective job of bribing the aged, even that might not be the end of it.
Guardian's live feed and tweets seem to think he has won over some doubters
Reading between the lines he survives for now, but is not secure going forward and it looks as if time and a change in the narrative may see him survive, but lots of dangers including the investigation into his own flat and the the cost of living crisis
I missed all the news today completely. I just had a read through the report and it was almost meaningless. It seems to amount to a "telling off" which would, under any other PM, be unthinkable. But Boris is immune to such criticism. We will wait and see what happens with the criminal stuff but the obvious way out for him and everyone around him is to just jovially accept a fixed penalty notice and laugh it off, with a few unimportant staffers being hung out to dry. My feeling at the moment is whatever political damage this has caused has already been done and priced in. The Gray report and future police investigations will not have much additional impact.
Nadine Dorries is clearly an idiot, but she didn't seem drunk to me. Not at all. Playing a bad hand badly, and seemingly surly and defensive. But not drunk.
I didn't have the sound on - but it was quite a drunken sway.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Boris claimed that crime was down 14% but according to the ONS last Thursday it is UP 14%.
Safest to believe the precise opposite of any claim Boris makes. Indeed, I have no memory of an occasion when Boris has told the truth.
“Overall, Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimates provide the best indicator of long-term trends in crime. Estimates from the TCSEW for the year ending September 2021 compared with the pre-coronavirus year ending September 20192 show:
A 14% increase in total crime, driven by a 47% increase in fraud and computer misuse.
Crime excluding fraud and computer misuse decreased by 14%, largely driven by an 18% decrease in theft offences.”
The report ultimately will have changed few minds. The key facts were already known. Conservative MPs can choose to stick with the prime minister, but he showed on Monday that they would be fools to think he is in any way chastened by events.
Boris did what I expected of him and ignored the report.
So I was not surprised. Now I am just waiting to see if the MPs have the nerve to do what is needed, but having watched Nadine Dorris's car-crash interview, my expectations are very low.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros. Even a flop like Jo had been killing it at CSKA Moscow and was a Brazilian international.
Am told Boris Johnson compared himself to Othello while addressing Conservative MPs tonight. He said he always sees the best in people, unlike Dominic Cummings (who he cast as Iago) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488249949284409354
OMG what an absolute twat.
Nope he's a lying twat - remember that he only sees what he can get out of people and if someone needs to be sacrificed to keep Boris in place then they will be sacrificed.
Boris claimed that crime was down 14% but according to the ONS last Thursday it is UP 14%.
Safest to believe the precise opposite of any claim Boris makes. Indeed, I have no memory of an occasion when Boris has told the truth.
“Overall, Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimates provide the best indicator of long-term trends in crime. Estimates from the TCSEW for the year ending September 2021 compared with the pre-coronavirus year ending September 20192 show:
a 14% increase in total crime, driven by a 47% increase in fraud and computer misuse.
Crime excluding fraud and computer misuse decreased by 14%, largely driven by an 18% decrease in theft offences.”
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
Johnson is big on Churchill. Perhaps Starmer should have gone with this one:
'I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the programme which I most desired to see was the one described as "The Boneless Wonder.' My parents judged that that spectacle would be too revolting and demoralizing for my youthful eyes, and I have waited fifty years to see the boneless wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench.'
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft.
I think it's more that @Fairliered is right - she's been watching Mr Johnson destroy the Union, which she has made it her life's work to save. Not quite the same thing TBF. She's never been one to worship Mr J as a hero in stainless steel armour.
Am told Boris Johnson compared himself to Othello while addressing Conservative MPs tonight. He said he always sees the best in people, unlike Dominic Cummings (who he cast as Iago) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488249949284409354
Then he should follow Othello’s example, and do what the moor did when he found out that he’d been deceived by Iago.
And get Laurence Fishburne to play him in a big budget movie?
Nadine Dorries is clearly an idiot, but she didn't seem drunk to me. Not at all. Playing a bad hand badly, and seemingly surly and defensive. But not drunk.
I didn't have the sound on - but it was quite a drunken sway.
But back to my point-
What was Ms Davidson's excuse?
She is watching Boris destroy her precious union.
I mean, as a Unionist living in Scotland, he definitely is destroying the Union.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft.
I think it's more that @Fairliered is right - she's been watching Mr Johnson destroy the Union, which she has made it her life's work to save. Not quite the same thing TBF. She's never been one to worship Mr J as a hero in stainless steel armour.
Yes, that is a fair point. Personally, I don't think BJ having a few drinks is going to destroy the Union but, if it does, it just shows how fragile it was in the first place.
Katy Balls: Gray’s update, in which she was more than keen to stress this was not her report and just a summary, and Johnson’s response to it, has put him back in the danger zone.
When he needed to be statesmanlike and contrite, he was angry and combative – even refusing to commit to publishing the full report once the police investigation was concluded (a position Downing Street has already had to U-turn on).
His attack on Keir Starmer for the failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile (a claim that has been disproven) dismayed even his own MPs – while his questioning of drug use by the Labour frontbench was viewed as simply bizarre. “It was terrible,” says one member of the payroll… behind the scenes, discomfort is building. Johnson’s response to the report has only added to doubts about his future. For all the talk from Johnson of change in how No 10 operates, the part that most worries MPs is that he may not realise that he needs to change, too.
None of which makes any difference if nearly all his own MPs are too venal and cowardly to give him the boot. We'll end up being stuck with the bugger until 2024 - and if he makes a sufficiently effective job of bribing the aged, even that might not be the end of it.
On a point of detail, surely Labour will be demanding a parliamentary apology for the saville comment?
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft. And, no, I am not including @Tissue_Price who has a genuine thing to be upset about
I don't partiularly want to be unkind to PB Star Bell but I do wonder how the PM giving a nudge PB reference as the final sentence to his response to Sir Keir might have played on his mind.
Am told Boris Johnson compared himself to Othello while addressing Conservative MPs tonight. He said he always sees the best in people, unlike Dominic Cummings (who he cast as Iago) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488249949284409354
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft.
I think it's more that @Fairliered is right - she's been watching Mr Johnson destroy the Union, which she has made it her life's work to save. Not quite the same thing TBF. She's never been one to worship Mr J as a hero in stainless steel armour.
Hardly, the SNP still got lower in 2019 under Boris than they did in 2015 under Cameron and Davidson.
It is also Boris having to refuse indyref2 because SCon and SLAB failed to prevent an SNP and Green Holyrood majority last May
Am told Boris Johnson compared himself to Othello while addressing Conservative MPs tonight. He said he always sees the best in people, unlike Dominic Cummings (who he cast as Iago) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488249949284409354
Oh that this too too solid flesh would melt.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. And a turd by any other name is still a shit.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft. And, no, I am not including @Tissue_Price who has a genuine thing to be upset about
I don't partiularly want to be unkind to PB Star Bell but I do wonder how the PM giving a nudge PB reference as the final sentence to his response to Sir Keir might have played on his mind.
Just finished 'Midnight in Berlin' which is excellent. One of the leading secondary characters talks about his training in the Police where they were told, if you lose control of your emotions, you've lost the battle. I kind of feel like that when I see politicians getting emotional.
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
JoeLinton was supposed to be very good too when they paid a similar amount for him. Oops.
Boris claimed that crime was down 14% but according to the ONS last Thursday it is UP 14%.
Safest to believe the precise opposite of any claim Boris makes. Indeed, I have no memory of an occasion when Boris has told the truth.
“Overall, Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimates provide the best indicator of long-term trends in crime. Estimates from the TCSEW for the year ending September 2021 compared with the pre-coronavirus year ending September 20192 show:
a 14% increase in total crime, driven by a 47% increase in fraud and computer misuse.
Crime excluding fraud and computer misuse decreased by 14%, largely driven by an 18% decrease in theft offences.”
Theft and fraud have effectively moved online. It’s still crime though.
No one reports theft anymore because you can only contact the police online and it's known that they do nothing. The only people who make a report are people who want a crime number for insurance purposes
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
JoeLinton was supposed to be very good too when they paid a similar amount for him. Oops.
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
I did not say "UKIP" I said "Leavers". It is up there ↑↑↑ you can see it if you look ....
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft. And, no, I am not including @Tissue_Price who has a genuine thing to be upset about
Tbf I think it was triggered by her own similar recollections, earlier in the interview
If that is the case, that explains it. But Johnson is a shit, anyone who deals with anyone of his type knows that. I'd go for drinks with him but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. If you genuinely put your life's work in the hands of such a person and now upset he's betrayed you, well...
But, yes, your point re grief at relatives dying still holds
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
Katy Balls: Gray’s update, in which she was more than keen to stress this was not her report and just a summary, and Johnson’s response to it, has put him back in the danger zone.
When he needed to be statesmanlike and contrite, he was angry and combative – even refusing to commit to publishing the full report once the police investigation was concluded (a position Downing Street has already had to U-turn on).
His attack on Keir Starmer for the failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile (a claim that has been disproven) dismayed even his own MPs – while his questioning of drug use by the Labour frontbench was viewed as simply bizarre. “It was terrible,” says one member of the payroll… behind the scenes, discomfort is building. Johnson’s response to the report has only added to doubts about his future. For all the talk from Johnson of change in how No 10 operates, the part that most worries MPs is that he may not realise that he needs to change, too.
None of which makes any difference if nearly all his own MPs are too venal and cowardly to give him the boot. We'll end up being stuck with the bugger until 2024 - and if he makes a sufficiently effective job of bribing the aged, even that might not be the end of it.
On a point of detail, surely Labour will be demanding a parliamentary apology for the saville comment?
Even if they try they won't get it.
Honestly, first the Labour Party foisting Jeremy Corbyn and his mental cult upon the nation, and then the Tories with Boris Johnson the narcissistic, sociopathic compulsive liar - one has to wonder what we did to deserve this shower of shite. Up in Scotland, where they actually get another alternative that's capable of winning, you have to wonder what percentage of the SNP vote is really that sold on independence, and what fraction of it keep backing them over and over again because both the major alternatives are regarded as both irretrievably corrupt and certifiably insane.
Boris claimed that crime was down 14% but according to the ONS last Thursday it is UP 14%.
Safest to believe the precise opposite of any claim Boris makes. Indeed, I have no memory of an occasion when Boris has told the truth.
“Overall, Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimates provide the best indicator of long-term trends in crime. Estimates from the TCSEW for the year ending September 2021 compared with the pre-coronavirus year ending September 20192 show:
a 14% increase in total crime, driven by a 47% increase in fraud and computer misuse.
Crime excluding fraud and computer misuse decreased by 14%, largely driven by an 18% decrease in theft offences.”
Theft and fraud have effectively moved online. It’s still crime though.
No one reports theft anymore because you can only contact the police online and it's known that they do nothing. The only people who make a report are people who want a crime number for insurance purposes
Actually, that's changing and our own Mike can add something on that. A couple of forces, led by Bedfordshire and (I think) Northants and Greater Manchester ran a scheme where they sent an officer to each burglary. Had such a big effect, it is being rolled out nationwide.
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
I did not say "UKIP" I said "Leavers". It is up there ↑↑↑ you can see it if you look ....
Yes I know that.
Referendum party got - (I'm guessing) 3 pc in 1997?
2022 minus 1997 (I used a casio this time) is 25.
But if you're just drunk and being hyperbolic I won't hold a grudge.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft.
I think it's more that @Fairliered is right - she's been watching Mr Johnson destroy the Union, which she has made it her life's work to save. Not quite the same thing TBF. She's never been one to worship Mr J as a hero in stainless steel armour.
Hardly, the SNP still got lower in 2019 under Boris than they did in 2015 under Cameron and Davidson.
It is also Boris having to refuse indyref2 because SCon and SLAB failed to prevent an SNP and Green Holyrood majority last May
Give it a rest and stop parroting the party line. Johnson is more toxic than any leader I can remember, bar Corbyn.
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
Weren't the Labour left the UKIPers of their day- 40 plus years ago?
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
How the Hell Jo become an international is a greater miracle than the Immaculate Conception.
Boris claimed that crime was down 14% but according to the ONS last Thursday it is UP 14%.
Safest to believe the precise opposite of any claim Boris makes. Indeed, I have no memory of an occasion when Boris has told the truth.
“Overall, Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimates provide the best indicator of long-term trends in crime. Estimates from the TCSEW for the year ending September 2021 compared with the pre-coronavirus year ending September 20192 show:
a 14% increase in total crime, driven by a 47% increase in fraud and computer misuse.
Crime excluding fraud and computer misuse decreased by 14%, largely driven by an 18% decrease in theft offences.”
Theft and fraud have effectively moved online. It’s still crime though.
No one reports theft anymore because you can only contact the police online and it's known that they do nothing. The only people who make a report are people who want a crime number for insurance purposes
Actually, that's changing and our own Mike can add something on that. A couple of forces, led by Bedfordshire and (I think) Northants and Greater Manchester ran a scheme where they sent an officer to each burglary. Had such a big effect, it is being rolled out nationwide.
Best news of the day? Christian Eriksen to Brentford. Hope it goes well for him. Most surprising? Delle Alli to Everton? Really? Least surprising? The PM'S bluster. He really only has one gear of bollocks, doesn't he?
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
JoeLinton was supposed to be very good too when they paid a similar amount for him. Oops.
Brazilian Geoff Horsfield.
Feed the horse and he will score, as my Fulham supporting mate used to,say.
Katy Balls: Gray’s update, in which she was more than keen to stress this was not her report and just a summary, and Johnson’s response to it, has put him back in the danger zone.
When he needed to be statesmanlike and contrite, he was angry and combative – even refusing to commit to publishing the full report once the police investigation was concluded (a position Downing Street has already had to U-turn on).
His attack on Keir Starmer for the failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile (a claim that has been disproven) dismayed even his own MPs – while his questioning of drug use by the Labour frontbench was viewed as simply bizarre. “It was terrible,” says one member of the payroll… behind the scenes, discomfort is building. Johnson’s response to the report has only added to doubts about his future. For all the talk from Johnson of change in how No 10 operates, the part that most worries MPs is that he may not realise that he needs to change, too.
None of which makes any difference if nearly all his own MPs are too venal and cowardly to give him the boot. We'll end up being stuck with the bugger until 2024 - and if he makes a sufficiently effective job of bribing the aged, even that might not be the end of it.
On a point of detail, surely Labour will be demanding a parliamentary apology for the saville comment?
Even if they try they won't get it.
Honestly, first the Labour Party foisting Jeremy Corbyn and his mental cult upon the nation, and then the Tories with Boris Johnson the narcissistic, sociopathic compulsive liar - one has to wonder what we did to deserve this shower of shite. Up in Scotland, where they actually get another alternative that's capable of winning, you have to wonder what percentage of the SNP vote is really that sold on independence, and what fraction of it keep backing them over and over again because both the major alternatives are regarded as both irretrievably corrupt and certifiably insane.
I've heard the non-independence wanting SNP vote to be as high as one third on BBC radio one night.
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
Decent player Chris Wood, I always liked him at Leicester. This is my favourite of his goals:
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
JoeLinton was supposed to be very good too when they paid a similar amount for him. Oops.
Brazilian Geoff Horsfield.
Feed the horse and he will score, as my Fulham supporting mate used to,say.
That was the only time he scored consistently in the professional game. And wasn't that when Fulham had a superstar team around him and won basically every game in the Championship?
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
Weren't the Labour left the UKIPers of their day- 40 plus years ago?
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
You need a history lesson.
In 1983 the Labour Party had a manifesto commitment to leave the European Community and the 1990s was absolutely quiet on the EC/EU matters in Parliament.
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft. And, no, I am not including @Tissue_Price who has a genuine thing to be upset about
Tbf I think it was triggered by her own similar recollections, earlier in the interview
If that is the case, that explains it. But Johnson is a shit, anyone who deals with anyone of his type knows that. I'd go for drinks with him but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. If you genuinely put your life's work in the hands of such a person and now upset he's betrayed you, well...
But, yes, your point re grief at relatives dying still holds
On the other hand, my pointing out that she is now Lady D reminds me that she was quite happy to accept a peerage and sit in the Lords as one of his party. It's not as if she has become a cross-bencher.
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
The average Tory voter is now aged about 72 and would happily elect Lucifer if he pledged to tax the absolute shit out of the young to cover the cost of their having their arses wiped when they go gaga. One is moved to quote the famous Orwellian analogy,
“England... resembles a family, a rather stuffy Victorian family, with not many black sheep in it but with all its cupboards bursting with skeletons. It has rich relations who have to be kow-towed to and poor relations who are horribly sat upon, and there is a deep conspiracy of silence about the source of the family income. It is a family in which the young are generally thwarted and most of the power is in the hands of irresponsible uncles and bedridden aunts... A family with the wrong members in control - that, perhaps is as near as one can come to describing England in a phrase.”
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros.
Kompany has to be the bargain of all time - an outstanding player, a brilliant leader and a thoroughly superb individual. What a buy.
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
The point with Jo was at the time he was a full time Brazilian international and was a star in Russia.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
Decent player Chris Wood, I always liked him at Leicester. This is my favourite of his goals:
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
Yes, keeping a steady proportion of a shrinking pie is [checks notes] good news?
It is to HYUFD. He seems to imply upthread that SCONs are.l not proper CONs.
No, however it is a fact that there are more SCon MPs and MSPs under Boris than there ever were under Cameron, not that they have shown him much gratitude
"Instead of reinforcing the momentum in his favour, he quite possibly stalled it. If I were him, I would be very worried about the number of his own MPs who asked unhelpful questions at the end of his statement" | ✍️
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
Weren't the Labour left the UKIPers of their day- 40 plus years ago?
No, they saw the common market as a capitalist plot to erode workers rights.
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
You need a history lesson.
In 1983 the Labour Party had a manifesto commitment to leave the European Community and the 1990s was absolutely quiet on the EC/EU matters in Parliament.
Yes someone else has made a similar point.
I withdraw. (see how easy it's done Mr Blackford? #BlackfordBottledIt)
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
Weren't the Labour left the UKIPers of their day- 40 plus years ago?
Well I was in nappies forty years ago...
It's quite remarkable how the likes of Eric Heffer have morphed into Andrew Bridgen.
The Conservatives were very Euro friendly back in the day. Ah well.
Nadine Dorries is clearly an idiot, but she didn't seem drunk to me. Not at all. Playing a bad hand badly, and seemingly surly and defensive. But not drunk.
I didn't have the sound on - but it was quite a drunken sway.
But back to my point-
What was Ms Davidson's excuse?
She is watching Boris destroy her precious union.
I mean, as a Unionist living in Scotland, he definitely is destroying the Union.
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
The average Tory voter is now aged about 72 and would happily elect Lucifer if he pledged to tax the absolute shit out of the young to cover the cost of their having their arses wiped when they go gaga. One is moved to quote the famous Orwellian analogy,
“England... resembles a family, a rather stuffy Victorian family, with not many black sheep in it but with all its cupboards bursting with skeletons. It has rich relations who have to be kow-towed to and poor relations who are horribly sat upon, and there is a deep conspiracy of silence about the source of the family income. It is a family in which the young are generally thwarted and most of the power is in the hands of irresponsible uncles and bedridden aunts... A family with the wrong members in control - that, perhaps is as near as one can come to describing England in a phrase.”
The young will inherit more than any generation before them once they reach middle age, thanks to the prudence of the old
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
Yes, keeping a steady proportion of a shrinking pie is [checks notes] good news?
No, but it's a plausible comfort blanket, an excuse to put of the unpleasantness for a bit longer. After all, if the May election results are bad but not catastrophic, that will buy a bit more time. Maybe Gray or the Met will do the dirty work for them.
Deposing any leader is unpleasant, and prising Johnson's fingers from the Downing Street railings will be worse than most. Much easier to procrastinate, and delay, and cluck and then it'll be too late.
But if Conservative MPs duck this, they don't deserve to be MPs.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft. And, no, I am not including @Tissue_Price who has a genuine thing to be upset about
Tbf I think it was triggered by her own similar recollections, earlier in the interview
Davidson struck a chord. People feel that they have been taken for fools. Anyone who went through something like not being able to bury a child or be with a relative when they were dying understands this emotional reaction. It is a feeling of personal failure, that you were cowardly and pathetic for not wanting to 'break the rules'. I couldn't cry about it myself because I am too stoic and unemotional, but it is a truly shameful episode.
May realised she needed a bigger majority to get Brexit through in some form. Stacked the election, for a number of reasons, winning only a pyrrhic victory.
Boris made the exact same calculation, helped by 2 more years of, how do we put this politely, wrangling.
Country really should not be surprised we're in the position we are in.
Red lines, hard brexit, increasingly clear that she was on a course to a minimal deal, I was meaning, really. She certainly wasn't very good at implementing all that she had set the scene for by continually gratifying the ERG, though.
Bad Analysis
The crucial missing word is in the first sentence - May realised she needed a bigger majority to get *Hard* Brexit through in some form. Soft Brexit wouldn't have allowed her to stay on as Tory leader, so, despite being a much more diligent and sometimes honourable prime minister than Boris Johnson, it was much her now forgotten opportunism that led to Boris as anything else.
Hard and Soft Brexit is Remoaner language.
Both May and Boris were merely trying to get out of the EU which proved to be far more difficult than leaving a "democratic" institution should be.
...and Remoaner is the language of a moron.
Well there was > 650 / 2 of them at one point.
Damn right there was lad
Yes well I was referring to Remoaners.
Sorry for not making that clear.
Would rather be a remoaner than a whopper
Blimey - You're still moronic enough to class yourself as a Remoaner?
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
We had to put up with Leavers moaning for 40 years... Your point?
No you haven't. UKIP aren't 40 years old. And Farage (the policy entrepenour) has only been prominent for 10 years or so.
You need a history lesson.
In 1983 the Labour Party had a manifesto commitment to leave the European Community and the 1990s was absolutely quiet on the EC/EU matters in Parliament.
The policy on the European community was one of the things that drove the split in the party which saw the birth of the SDP.
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
The average Tory voter is now aged about 72 and would happily elect Lucifer if he pledged to tax the absolute shit out of the young to cover the cost of their having their arses wiped when they go gaga. One is moved to quote the famous Orwellian analogy,
“England... resembles a family, a rather stuffy Victorian family, with not many black sheep in it but with all its cupboards bursting with skeletons. It has rich relations who have to be kow-towed to and poor relations who are horribly sat upon, and there is a deep conspiracy of silence about the source of the family income. It is a family in which the young are generally thwarted and most of the power is in the hands of irresponsible uncles and bedridden aunts... A family with the wrong members in control - that, perhaps is as near as one can come to describing England in a phrase.”
The young will inherit more than any generation before them once they reach middle age, thanks to the prudence of the old
Boris’s maximum period of danger is now. If there is no VONC in the morning, there won’t be one.
Unless Dom has another leak up his sleeve, although it feels like all his bullets have been used up and/or taken away by the Met.
I still think once he gets through this, and he will, the May locals are the real danger for him. Performs badly there and I think he’s doomed.
I’m not sure. Has there been any analysis of what “badly” means for these locals?
I think the Tories are waiting for a credible successor. Nobody has demonstrated that they can fix the polling / deliver what the backbenchers* are looking for.
Watching Ch4 News it's easy to imagine him going and quickly. It was something from the Kindergarten. Quite embarrassing for all Tories and all Johnson supporters. He's a lump and a man child. Watching Ruth Davidson crying was quite shocking
Anyone who cries over the behaviour of a politician is daft. And, no, I am not including @Tissue_Price who has a genuine thing to be upset about
Tbf I think it was triggered by her own similar recollections, earlier in the interview
If that is the case, that explains it. But Johnson is a shit, anyone who deals with anyone of his type knows that. I'd go for drinks with him but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. If you genuinely put your life's work in the hands of such a person and now upset he's betrayed you, well...
But, yes, your point re grief at relatives dying still holds
On the other hand, my pointing out that she is now Lady D reminds me that she was quite happy to accept a peerage and sit in the Lords as one of his party. It's not as if she has become a cross-bencher.
Baroness D sits in the Lords, enjoys Lords fine dining and bars and attendance allowance, use of the library etc and a grand title thanks to Boris. Baroness D never has to ask a single voter to vote for her again thanks to Boris
Starmer now leading Sunak by 1% on best PM as well though, 39% to 38%.
So even Sunak does not lead Starmer as best PM.
Good news for Boris there as well as Starmer
I would be quite interested in hypothetical Mordaunt vs Starmer polling as I don't think we've had that although of course she probably has low name recognition
Boris’s maximum period of danger is now. If there is no VONC in the morning, there won’t be one.
Unless Dom has another leak up his sleeve, although it feels like all his bullets have been used up and/or taken away by the Met.
I still think once he gets through this, and he will, the May locals are the real danger for him. Performs badly there and I think he’s doomed.
Provided the Tories hold Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster Boris will be fine.
Most of England does not have local elections in May, though London has all councillors up
I wonder what a 'bad' result for the Tories would be regarded as? I think the worst case scenario for the Tories is a reversal of the 2021 result. Something like Lab 36% Con 29% in the NEV.
I don't think there are any councils in England outside London the Tories can lose majority control of directly to Labour apart from Southampton. Labour will be mainly hoping to pick up various councils from NOC like Kirklees, Worthing, Plymouth etc although the Tories could lose a few councils to NOC like Cannock Chase or even Solihull.
Katy Balls: Gray’s update, in which she was more than keen to stress this was not her report and just a summary, and Johnson’s response to it, has put him back in the danger zone.
When he needed to be statesmanlike and contrite, he was angry and combative – even refusing to commit to publishing the full report once the police investigation was concluded (a position Downing Street has already had to U-turn on).
His attack on Keir Starmer for the failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile (a claim that has been disproven) dismayed even his own MPs – while his questioning of drug use by the Labour frontbench was viewed as simply bizarre. “It was terrible,” says one member of the payroll… behind the scenes, discomfort is building. Johnson’s response to the report has only added to doubts about his future. For all the talk from Johnson of change in how No 10 operates, the part that most worries MPs is that he may not realise that he needs to change, too.
None of which makes any difference if nearly all his own MPs are too venal and cowardly to give him the boot. We'll end up being stuck with the bugger until 2024 - and if he makes a sufficiently effective job of bribing the aged, even that might not be the end of it.
On a point of detail, surely Labour will be demanding a parliamentary apology for the saville comment?
Boris next week, at the despatch box: "Saville? What is the Rt Hon gentleman going on about? I never mentioned Saville - I have no idea who Saville was"
Most Tory backbenchers will never achieve anything in their political careers, and yet here is an opportunity to really make an impact.
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
No more Tory voters tonight still think Boris should stay than go
The average Tory voter is now aged about 72 and would happily elect Lucifer if he pledged to tax the absolute shit out of the young to cover the cost of their having their arses wiped when they go gaga. One is moved to quote the famous Orwellian analogy,
“England... resembles a family, a rather stuffy Victorian family, with not many black sheep in it but with all its cupboards bursting with skeletons. It has rich relations who have to be kow-towed to and poor relations who are horribly sat upon, and there is a deep conspiracy of silence about the source of the family income. It is a family in which the young are generally thwarted and most of the power is in the hands of irresponsible uncles and bedridden aunts... A family with the wrong members in control - that, perhaps is as near as one can come to describing England in a phrase.”
The young will inherit more than any generation before them once they reach middle age, thanks to the prudence of the old
More likely once they reach old age, by which time it is probably too late to make any significant difference. Even middle age is pushing it, and might at best mean a slightly earlier retirement.
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Lady Davidson was "greeting" on C4 news.
Do you think Sir Keir will get you back in to the European Union???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf70iC4PERU
Not going to Ukraine with Boris.
Was with him today in the Commons.
EEA/EFTA will be fine for now. Probably where we always should have been.
A bit oxymoronic but heh that happens to the best of us.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1488235127847243780?s=20&t=-jcQ1mKOZVYHOyRcmYljhA
By VONCing Boris, you get to uphold standards in public life AND be able to look at your children in the eye.
If not, not.
As a decision, indeed it’s easier than the one facing Republicans who at least have the excuse that their voters are also batshit insane. Polling shows that maybe even a majority of Tory voters think Boris lied and needs to go.
Boris thinks he is the king. (Apparently he called himself the king as a boy.)
So I don't think there will be 54 votes soon. Only if and when they are certain they can kill the king will they strike. This requires 180 Tory MPS to win a VONC. That's a stretch.
Reading between the lines he survives for now, but is not secure going forward and it looks as if time and a change in the narrative may see him survive, but lots of dangers including the investigation into his own flat and the the cost of living crisis
I just had a read through the report and it was almost meaningless. It seems to amount to a "telling off" which would, under any other PM, be unthinkable. But Boris is immune to such criticism.
We will wait and see what happens with the criminal stuff but the obvious way out for him and everyone around him is to just jovially accept a fixed penalty notice and laugh it off, with a few unimportant staffers being hung out to dry.
My feeling at the moment is whatever political damage this has caused has already been done and priced in. The Gray report and future police investigations will not have much additional impact.
If there is no VONC in the morning, there won’t be one.
Unless Dom has another leak up his sleeve, although it feels like all his bullets have been used up and/or taken away by the Met.
Not, actually, her first time, come to think of it - but the last time is not a happy comparison for Mr J. Or the Scottish Tories and unionists.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/what-brought-ruth-davidson-to-tears-and-why-she-wants-broadcasters-to-put-a-cap-on-gambling-for-euros-3262323
A 14% increase in total crime, driven by a 47% increase in fraud and computer misuse.
Crime excluding fraud and computer misuse decreased by 14%, largely driven by an 18% decrease in theft offences.”
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2021
Boris telling porkies, whowouldathunkedit?
So I was not surprised. Now I am just waiting to see if the MPs have the nerve to do what is needed, but having watched Nadine Dorris's car-crash interview, my expectations are very low.
Kompany, Robinho, Zabaleta, Jo, Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Bellamy, Given...
That's a mix of outstanding world class potential talent and well established UK based international pros. Even a flop like Jo had been killing it at CSKA Moscow and was a Brazilian international.
'I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the programme which I most desired to see was the one described as "The Boneless Wonder.' My parents judged that that spectacle would be too revolting and demoralizing for my youthful eyes, and I have waited fifty years to see the boneless wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench.'
Zabaleta was also a superb buy as well.
Jo, on the other hand....
I’d say more Falstaff meets Richard III, personally.
To be fair, Guimarães is supposed to be very good, I am not sure anybody is renewing their season ticket because they signed Matt Targett or Chis Wood.
It is also Boris having to refuse indyref2 because SCon and SLAB failed to prevent an SNP and Green Holyrood majority last May
I always thought she was overrated as Scots Tory leader. She did get the votes in though...
So Barcelona strike force is two Boro rejects and a bloke with heart damage....
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1488232558793945089?s=20&t=Fi3Wi04ksxsUmicRr2k1Tw
But, yes, your point re grief at relatives dying still holds
Honestly, first the Labour Party foisting Jeremy Corbyn and his mental cult upon the nation, and then the Tories with Boris Johnson the narcissistic, sociopathic compulsive liar - one has to wonder what we did to deserve this shower of shite. Up in Scotland, where they actually get another alternative that's capable of winning, you have to wonder what percentage of the SNP vote is really that sold on independence, and what fraction of it keep backing them over and over again because both the major alternatives are regarded as both irretrievably corrupt and certifiably insane.
Referendum party got - (I'm guessing) 3 pc in 1997?
2022 minus 1997 (I used a casio this time) is 25.
But if you're just drunk and being hyperbolic I won't hold a grudge.
Most of England does not have local elections in May, though London has all councillors up
Most surprising? Delle Alli to Everton? Really?
Least surprising? The PM'S bluster. He really only has one gear of bollocks, doesn't he?
https://youtu.be/AlWZdBsUYJA
In 1983 the Labour Party had a manifesto commitment to leave the European Community and the 1990s was absolutely quiet on the EC/EU matters in Parliament.
He seems to imply upthread that SCONs are.l not proper CONs.
“England... resembles a family, a rather stuffy Victorian family, with not many black sheep in it but with all its cupboards bursting with skeletons. It has rich relations who have to be kow-towed to and poor relations who are horribly sat upon, and there is a deep conspiracy of silence about the source of the family income. It is a family in which the young are generally thwarted and most of the power is in the hands of irresponsible uncles and bedridden aunts... A family with the wrong members in control - that, perhaps is as near as one can come to describing England in a phrase.”
@WilliamJHague
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-has-promised-the-bare-minimum-3jp9w6rsw
I withdraw. (see how easy it's done Mr Blackford? #BlackfordBottledIt)
The Conservatives were very Euro friendly back in the day. Ah well.
Deposing any leader is unpleasant, and prising Johnson's fingers from the Downing Street railings will be worse than most. Much easier to procrastinate, and delay, and cluck and then it'll be too late.
But if Conservative MPs duck this, they don't deserve to be MPs.
It's the way you tell 'em.
I think the Tories are waiting for a credible successor. Nobody has demonstrated that they can fix the polling / deliver what the backbenchers* are looking for.
*The ERG / fiscal dries / red wallers.
I don't think there are any councils in England outside London the Tories can lose majority control of directly to Labour apart from Southampton. Labour will be mainly hoping to pick up various councils from NOC like Kirklees, Worthing, Plymouth etc although the Tories could lose a few councils to NOC like Cannock Chase or even Solihull.