Rees-Mogg’s belittling the Scottish CON leader was dumb – politicalbetting.com
Rees-Mogg’s belittling the Scottish CON leader was dumb – politicalbetting.com
One of the side stories of the current Tory “party-gate” drama has been the way that Jacob Rees-Mogg sought to belittle the comments of the leader of the Scottish Tories by saying he wasn’t a big figure.
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Agreed.
Unless pissing off the Scots was perceived to be the biggest dead cat readily available...
Edit: Mostly pissing of ScotCons, I guess. Probably hasn't changed many others' opinion of the Tory view on Scotland
Also, first? Surely not4 -
It told you Rees-Mogg was a busted flush.
Once Boris has gone, which of his successors is going to employ him?9 -
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Looks like a photoshop, but still good.Scott_xP said:Oh this is excellent. https://twitter.com/NinaPinabudhabi/status/1481584511938961408/photo/1
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If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!1
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JRM is such a wanker that I'm forced to agree with Montie.
Good morning @Jacob_Rees_Mogg . I urge you to apologise ASAP for the personal+playground way you dismissed
@Douglas4Moray on Newsnight. Johnson uber-loyalists risk looking like you're willing to trash colleagues and anyone who dares to think a new PM is necessary. Stop it. Now.
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They say that in news & reporting "Dog bites man" is not a story, it is just what dogs do.
Surely "Entitled Eton snob belittles Scots" belongs in the same category?1 -
As Rees Mogg has so clearly demonstrated, the Conservative party is now controlled by hard right English nationalists. Anyone voting Tory in Scotland in a general election is voting for a party whose leadership holds them in total disdain.8
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JRM doubled down in the HoC today, saying the honourable position of an elected Tory member was to support the PM. Ross now a dishonourable, small lightweight it appears.0
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Who's to say she's not putting it on?Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
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Yes it most certainly was. The man's a fool and Jonson's a fool for ever employing such a louche wastrel2
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Anyone voting Tory in England in a general election is voting for a party whose leadership holds them in total disdain.SouthamObserver said:As Rees Mogg has so clearly demonstrated, the Conservative party is now controlled by hard right English nationalists. Anyone voting Tory in Scotland in a general election is voting for a party whose leadership holds them in total disdain.
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@Charles and other PB wearers of hand-made shoes are warned that Royal Ascot will have reduced capacity this year, so get your applications in promptly.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/royal-ascot-capacity-to-be-reduced-this-year-to-offer-an-improved-experience/5317931 -
Looks more like a wineshop to meRobD said:
Looks like a photoshop, but still good.Scott_xP said:Oh this is excellent. https://twitter.com/NinaPinabudhabi/status/1481584511938961408/photo/1
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As someone observed to me that JRM is the cabinet is another Brexit bonus.0
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Maybe the pair of fakers are both putting it on!RobD said:
Who's to say she's not putting it on?Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
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For Boris is an honourable man...Theuniondivvie said:JRM doubled down in the HoC today, saying the honourable position of an elected Tory member was to support the PM. Ross now a dishonourable, small lightweight it appears.
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Rees-Mogg is an outstanding advertisement for an Eton and Oxford education. He is clearly a complete moron yet has ended up a multi-millionaire and a member of the Cabinet.4
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Are you criticizing her Annunziation?RobD said:
Who's to say she's not putting it on?Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
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Rees-Mogg has quite correctly determined that Boris is to go then he goes on the conservatives time and the conservatives agenda.
Not Labour's time or Labour's agenda.
The real list of charges against Boris, the proper one and not the powerless labour one, is being drawn up right now by chief prosecutor Lord Frost.
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R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…0
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I presume this is after the lifting of restrictions?IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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Rees-Mogg invariably uses insults as a substitute for argument: Major is "yesterday's man with yesterday's opinions"; Carney a "failed" Canadian politician; Ivan Rogers "neither impartial nor useful"; Ross "a lightweight". His reputation for courtesy rests entirely on his accent.
https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1481563966727991300
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Phew. Could have been worse.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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What, like JRM supported May?Theuniondivvie said:JRM doubled down in the HoC today, saying the honourable position of an elected Tory member was to support the PM. Ross now a dishonourable, small lightweight it appears.
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The masterstroke to make a Tory majority more likely at the next election is to get rid of the Scottish MPs before then. That way the Tories lose 6 MPs but the Opposition lose 45.
Could Rees Mogg be laying the groundwork for a Unilateral Declaration of getting rid of Scotland by the Tories?
And if that is the plan, I wonder how and when the only Tory in the village will become fully signed up to that agenda?0 -
Jacob Rees-Mogg says lockdown rules may have been too tough at the time the 20 May 2020 Downing Street party took place
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Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
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Is that even in doubt now? We now know covid transmission with the original variant especially outside was very difficult and it isnt really transmitted by touching surfaces, so many of the original measures were disproportionate. All the taping up park benches etc was if anything counter productive.Scott_xP said:Jacob Rees-Mogg says lockdown rules may have been too tough at the time the 20 May 2020 Downing Street party took place
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What do you expect from pigs but grunts? They only have so long to get their snouts in the trough...Roger said:Yes it most certainly was. The man's a fool and Jonson's a fool for ever employing such a louche wastrel
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I shall ask the butler to warn the servants that they may have to cut back how many of *their* servants can go this year....DecrepiterJohnL said:@Charles and other PB wearers of hand-made shoes are warned that Royal Ascot will have reduced capacity this year, so get your applications in promptly.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/royal-ascot-capacity-to-be-reduced-this-year-to-offer-an-improved-experience/531793
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If it were possible to condemn someone to a Dan Aykroyd in Trading Places style downfall where they lost absolutely everything I would give one of my balls for it to be JRM.5
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This sounds a bit familiar from yesterday, but I'm not saying anything.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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To be fair, he must get called quite a few unpleasant things quite regularly.Scott_xP said:Rees-Mogg invariably uses insults as a substitute for argument: Major is "yesterday's man with yesterday's opinions"; Carney a "failed" Canadian politician; Ivan Rogers "neither impartial nor useful"; Ross "a lightweight". His reputation for courtesy rests entirely on his accent.
https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1481563966727991300
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/14814058919790100540 -
Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."1 -
Voting for the SCONS has always obviously been an electoral cul-de-sac for unionism.SouthamObserver said:As Rees Mogg has so clearly demonstrated, the Conservative party is now controlled by hard right English nationalists. Anyone voting Tory in Scotland in a general election is voting for a party whose leadership holds them in total disdain.
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Perhaps he will volunteer to pay the fines of those people who were prosecuted?Scott_xP said:Jacob Rees-Mogg says lockdown rules may have been too tough at the time the 20 May 2020 Downing Street party took place
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Well he is a football ref !Nigelb said:
To be fair, he must get called quite a few unpleasant things quite regularly.Scott_xP said:Rees-Mogg invariably uses insults as a substitute for argument: Major is "yesterday's man with yesterday's opinions"; Carney a "failed" Canadian politician; Ivan Rogers "neither impartial nor useful"; Ross "a lightweight". His reputation for courtesy rests entirely on his accent.
https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1481563966727991300
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/14814058919790100540 -
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
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It was dumb and rude. Hardly gentlemanly.
I'm glad you mentioned that as it is a good example of how he is not the eccentric, old fashioned but honourable toff he presents as. After the May VONC he went on TV throwing his toys out of the pram, inventing a convention that because she did not win by enough she should resign. If he had merely said that she won but he still thought she should resign that would be gine, but he tried to dress it up as him explaining some accepted convention, of which only he was aware, in order to get his own way.No_Offence_Alan said:
What, like JRM supported May?Theuniondivvie said:JRM doubled down in the HoC today, saying the honourable position of an elected Tory member was to support the PM. Ross now a dishonourable, small lightweight it appears.
It was extremely undignified and coupled with his rudeness in insulting colleagues by treating them as not being worthy of notice (which is rude even if you think Westminster rules all), points to him being actually a pretty nasty, unscrupulous sort.
It is perhaps notable that other former members of the awkward squad have remember members of it, and have caused Boris as much trouble as they did May and Cameron, because that's who they are, it wasn't just a tactic to get ahead.5 -
Absolute clanger. Parties with booze specified in the title is *just* what contenders need to be known for just now. She is a fundamentally unserious person.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
Even Sunak's teetotalism looks like an inspired career choice.1 -
If Boris's departure is negotiated by Frost, isn't there a risk that in 12 months time Frost realises he's accidentally agreed a deal allowing Boris to stay on in perpetuity?MISTY said:Rees-Mogg has quite correctly determined that Boris is to go then he goes on the conservatives time and the conservatives agenda.
Not Labour's time or Labour's agenda.
The real list of charges against Boris, the proper one and not the powerless labour one, is being drawn up right now by chief prosecutor Lord Frost.10 -
'Have a long lie down' - Tory MSPs blast Jacob Rees-Mogg over attacks on Douglas Ross
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/have-long-lie-down-tory-25936985?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar1 -
Lord Adonis doing his best to shore up support for Johnson by apparently saying things like "If Johnson goes, Brexit goes as well".1
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I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
Boris will rationalise it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff. No biggie, don't see why i am getting so much grief for this.
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, especially when you have imposed such strict restrictions at the behest of SAGE and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.3 -
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
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and the fingers crossed apologyFrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk. Boris will have seen it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.0 -
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.0 -
fpt for @BlancheLivermore and @BartholomewRoberts
Sozza didn't study the autocorrect. Of course you @BlancheLivermore didn't vote Farage.
@BartholomewRoberts did.
I was using the analogy because @kinabalu said that the Labour MPs who put Corbyn on the ballot paper didn't really mean or want him to win. And yet I'm sure he would have no hesitation (perhaps he already has done so) in criticising @BR for voting for Farage while not "meaning" it.2 -
Crikey, that one had passed me by. Just googled itScott_xP said:
Famously the excuse Owen Paterson usedSelebian said:Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.
Environment Secretary Owen Paterson was asked if he had "moved the goalposts" by claiming the cull was a success.
Mr Paterson explained difficulties lay in the fact the operation was dealing with a wild animal.
"The badgers moved the goalposts. We're dealing with a wild animal, subject to the vagaries of the weather and disease and breeding patterns," he said.
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Oh, you know you want to. How about taking it a stage further with "jizz with fizz and Liz"!WhisperingOracle said:
This sounds a bit familiar from yesterday, but I'm not saying anything.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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I thought it was a new compound of the usual expression plus that MWP chappie who went badger watching and inexplicably found himself dogging!Selebian said:
Crikey, that one had passed me by. Just googled itScott_xP said:
Famously the excuse Owen Paterson usedSelebian said:Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.
Environment Secretary Owen Paterson was asked if he had "moved the goalposts" by claiming the cull was a success.
Mr Paterson explained difficulties lay in the fact the operation was dealing with a wild animal.
"The badgers moved the goalposts. We're dealing with a wild animal, subject to the vagaries of the weather and disease and breeding patterns," he said.0 -
R4 also seemed very clear that busy lizzy is way ahead with members. Worrying for the Tories' long-term prospects, if so, if you ask me.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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The other thing is Boris was never actually in favour of most of these restrictions, he was bounced into them by the scientists, and many turned out to be wrong headed. And most of #10 had had covid.Nigel_Foremain said:
and the fingers crossed apologyFrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk. Boris will have seen it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.
We all know Boris has a long history of just ignoring rules he doesn't agree with. The big problem this time is everybody was living by them under his direction. So his usual oh cripes look zip wire failure routine won't work.0 -
The point is to make him feel nice for having them. Taking them away is therefore an effective punishment.MightyAlex said:
What's the point of the ranks he does have? Are they ever used in anger? Do they come with monies?TheScreamingEagles said:If the Queen doesn't do what this letter asks her to do then she really must hate the military.
More than 150 veterans have signed an open letter calling for Queen Elizabeth to strip her son Prince Andrew of his military titles over his relationship with disgraced late U.S. financier Jeffrey Epstein, the campaign group Republic said on Thursday.
A day after Andrew's lawyers failed to persuade a U.S. judge to dismiss Virginia Giuffre's civil lawsuit against him which accuses the royal of sexually abusing her when she was a teenager, the anti-monarchy group released the letter from veterans angry that he still held honorary military roles.
Their letter to the 95-year-old monarch called for her to take immediate action because Andrew, the Duke of York, had been "uncooperative and less than truthful" about his relationship with Epstein, and had brought the armed services he represented into disrepute.
"We are particularly upset and angry that Prince Andrew remains a member of the armed forces and continues to hold military titles, positions and ranks, including that of Vice Admiral of the Royal Navy," the letter said.
"We are therefore asking that you take immediate steps to strip Prince Andrew of all his military ranks and titles and, if necessary, that he be dishonourably discharged."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/prince-andrews-legal-team-decline-comment-us-court-decision-2022-01-13/
There were reports at the funeral of Phillip that Andrew wanted to go in uniform IIRC, and that the Queen had to step in to sort out the disagreement about it with Charles. I recall thinking at the time that that it took a 95 year old woman, who had just lost her lifelong love and companion, to stop the rest of them bickering over something inconsequential, was not an encouraging sign.
Sort of. They were stupid for risking an outcome that they did not want, and which they knew the public would not want, but it is true they did not recommend him. The Tory MPs making him the preferred choice was because of the, correct, assumption the public would want him him too, at least in the short term. So they were less stupid since they expected him to win (unlike those with Corbyn), but were more culpable since they accepted the potential risks.kinabalu said:
Objectively false assertion. A small number putting him on the ballot to include the 'left' in the contest - not in a million years expecting him to be competitive - is not of the same order of culpability as the majority picking him and sending him to the members as preferred choice and hot favourite.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kinabalu, Corbyn was only on the shortlist because Labour MPs put him there.
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I always thought that was the moment that the skids went in under him. From then onwards it was downhill all the way.Selebian said:
Crikey, that one had passed me by. Just googled itScott_xP said:
Famously the excuse Owen Paterson usedSelebian said:Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.
Environment Secretary Owen Paterson was asked if he had "moved the goalposts" by claiming the cull was a success.
Mr Paterson explained difficulties lay in the fact the operation was dealing with a wild animal.
"The badgers moved the goalposts. We're dealing with a wild animal, subject to the vagaries of the weather and disease and breeding patterns," he said.0 -
I am not sure that PB is concerned about Tory Scots. I think that they are merely expressing their opinion that JRM is a total twerp. The Tory Scots merely the target that shows other Tories what sort of loyalty they can expect from Boris's lackeys.Carnyx said:
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.3 -
And. A culture of "drinking at your desk" sounds unfeasibly alien to your average punter.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
Boris will rationalise it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff. No biggie, don't see why i am getting so much grief for this.
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, especially when you have imposed such strict restrictions at the behest of SAGE and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.
For whom it would be instant dismissal.3 -
Scandalous ! I know nothing on the subject, officer. Never met the woman.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, you know you want to. How about taking it a stage further with "jizz with fizz and Liz"!WhisperingOracle said:
This sounds a bit familiar from yesterday, but I'm not saying anything.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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I'd have thought Bartholomew *did* want Farage's party to win the European elections in which he voted for Farage's party. No fool, Bartholomew. He can do the "math" on that sort of thing.TOPPING said:fpt for @BlancheLivermore and @BartholomewRoberts
Sozza didn't study the autocorrect. Of course you @BlancheLivermore didn't vote Farage.
@BartholomewRoberts did.
I was using the analogy because @kinabalu said that the Labour MPs who put Corbyn on the ballot paper didn't really mean or want him to win. And yet I'm sure he would have no hesitation (perhaps he already has done so) in criticising @BR for voting for Farage while not "meaning" it.
But let's ask him. Bartholomew? ...0 -
@Cicero
Your comment is defamatory and likely to cost OGH a lot of money, please do not repeat it again.0 -
I always cast my vote ironically as a sort of performance art statement.TOPPING said:fpt for @BlancheLivermore and @BartholomewRoberts
Sozza didn't study the autocorrect. Of course you @BlancheLivermore didn't vote Farage.
@BartholomewRoberts did.
I was using the analogy because @kinabalu said that the Labour MPs who put Corbyn on the ballot paper didn't really mean or want him to win. And yet I'm sure he would have no hesitation (perhaps he already has done so) in criticising @BR for voting for Farage while not "meaning" it.1 -
Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament0 -
No risk to the species Scotae Whingatus Vulgaris though?Carnyx said:
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.0 -
Hence it would be pointless getting rid of Boris electorally if they end up with Tory members voting for Truss over Sunak.WhisperingOracle said:
R4 also seemed very clear that busy lizzy is way ahead with members. Worrying for the Tories' long-term prospects, if so, if you ask me.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
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My wife is the eldest of four and has a very different accent to her younger brothers because she spent a lot of time growing up with her mother while her brothers spent time with their cousins.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
So we can guess at Nanny's accent.1 -
It's a junior synonym for the CSSDS especially under Tory rule in the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
No risk to the species Scotae Whingatus Vulgaris though?Carnyx said:
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.1 -
You carry on reaching out to those swing voters!HYUFD said:Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament1 -
On today's poll Starmer would have a majority even in England and Wales so that would be pointless too, it is only the UK result giving a hung parliament. Especially as in the tables now out from last night's Yougov Scotland is now the only UK region other than the South of England where the Conservatives are still ahead of LabourBartholomewRoberts said:The masterstroke to make a Tory majority more likely at the next election is to get rid of the Scottish MPs before then. That way the Tories lose 6 MPs but the Opposition lose 45.
Could Rees Mogg be laying the groundwork for a Unilateral Declaration of getting rid of Scotland by the Tories?
And if that is the plan, I wonder how and when the only Tory in the village will become fully signed up to that agenda?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/01/13/voting-intention-con-28-lab-38-11-12-jan0 -
That they care was not my point. It's that they couldn't even come to agreement about it without the matriarch's view even when she really needed their support right then.Foxy said:
Yes but Royalty and aristocracy is built on trivialities and order of precedence. Who gets to sit where, does an order of the daffodil or a Knight of the bathtub take precedence when deciding the next groomer of the Kings stool. These are the things that they argue about. Originally it had a point by stopping knights from killing each other, but now it is just pointless obscurantism.kle4 said:
The point is to make him feel nice for having them. Taking them away is therefore an effective punishment.MightyAlex said:
What's the point of the ranks he does have? Are they ever used in anger? Do they come with monies?TheScreamingEagles said:If the Queen doesn't do what this letter asks her to do then she really must hate the military.
More than 150 veterans have signed an open letter calling for Queen Elizabeth to strip her son Prince Andrew of his military titles over his relationship with disgraced late U.S. financier Jeffrey Epstein, the campaign group Republic said on Thursday.
A day after Andrew's lawyers failed to persuade a U.S. judge to dismiss Virginia Giuffre's civil lawsuit against him which accuses the royal of sexually abusing her when she was a teenager, the anti-monarchy group released the letter from veterans angry that he still held honorary military roles.
Their letter to the 95-year-old monarch called for her to take immediate action because Andrew, the Duke of York, had been "uncooperative and less than truthful" about his relationship with Epstein, and had brought the armed services he represented into disrepute.
"We are particularly upset and angry that Prince Andrew remains a member of the armed forces and continues to hold military titles, positions and ranks, including that of Vice Admiral of the Royal Navy," the letter said.
"We are therefore asking that you take immediate steps to strip Prince Andrew of all his military ranks and titles and, if necessary, that he be dishonourably discharged."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/prince-andrews-legal-team-decline-comment-us-court-decision-2022-01-13/
There were reports at the funeral of Phillip that Andrew wanted to go in uniform IIRC, and that the Queen had to step in to sort out the disagreement about it with Charles. I recall thinking at the time that that it took a 95 year old woman, who had just lost her lifelong love and companion, to stop the rest of them bickering over something inconsequential, was not an encouraging sign.0 -
Scottish subsamples.HYUFD said:
On today's poll Starmer would have a majority even in England and Wales so that would be pointless too, it is only the UK result giving a hung parliament. Especially as in the tables now out from last night's Yougov Scotland is now the only UK region other than the South of England where the Conservatives are still ahead of LabourBartholomewRoberts said:The masterstroke to make a Tory majority more likely at the next election is to get rid of the Scottish MPs before then. That way the Tories lose 6 MPs but the Opposition lose 45.
Could Rees Mogg be laying the groundwork for a Unilateral Declaration of getting rid of Scotland by the Tories?
And if that is the plan, I wonder how and when the only Tory in the village will become fully signed up to that agenda?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/01/13/voting-intention-con-28-lab-38-11-12-jan
We all know what happens to PBers who get fixated on them.0 -
Bloody interesting, mind. I knew the ***** ** ******** **** ***** bit, but the *** ******* ** ******** **** **** - My!TheScreamingEagles said:@Cicero
Your comment is defamatory and likely to cost OGH a lot of money, please do not repeat it again.
Also, worth pointing out that OGH's liability is secondary to the actual poster, and OGH could probably, and justifiably, earn himself a hold harmless agreement in exchange for the poster's email and IP address.
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I notice his assertion the whole point of the Union of the Kingdoms is to support the Conservative Party. Just to avoid the need for any quic edits, he said" it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union."Nigel_Foremain said:
You carry on reaching out to those swing voters!HYUFD said:Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament0 -
Didn't happen even in the City in the 80s. Everybody was drunk all the time but you went out to avoid the risk of spilling wine on original documents/setting the support staff a bad example.dixiedean said:
And. A culture of "drinking at your desk" sounds unfeasibly alien to your average punter.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
Boris will rationalise it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff. No biggie, don't see why i am getting so much grief for this.
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, especially when you have imposed such strict restrictions at the behest of SAGE and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.
For whom it would be instant dismissal.
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But there's also the issue of a Boris still in place doing major cumulative damage to the Tory brand. I think that's happening. It might take longer to de-toxify for you the longer he's in. That's an even longer-term outlook, too, potentially beyond the next election.HYUFD said:
Hence it would be pointless getting rid of Boris electorally if they end up with Tory members voting for Truss over Sunak.WhisperingOracle said:
R4 also seemed very clear that busy lizzy is way ahead with members. Worrying for the Tories' long-term prospects, if so, if you ask me.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
Under Truss the Tories would likely be even further behind than the 9% they are under Boris in today's poll1 -
Here is a deal: you stop kicking HYUFD and I'll stop kicking Malcolm? How long can we keep it up?Carnyx said:
I notice his assertion the whole point of the Union of the Kingdoms is to support the Conservative Party. Just to avoid the need for any quic edits, he said" it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union."Nigel_Foremain said:
You carry on reaching out to those swing voters!HYUFD said:Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament1 -
That's what I mean. Putting aside Boris lying, I don't think he sees having a vino in the garden or a civil servant having a beer at 6pm at their desk as "partying". Clearly he has fostered this very lax attitude and I am pretty certain that is what has been happening, that people have been boozing at their desks when the pubs have been closed.dixiedean said:
And. A culture of "drinking at your desk" sounds unfeasibly alien to your average punter.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
Boris will rationalise it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff. No biggie, don't see why i am getting so much grief for this.
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, especially when you have imposed such strict restrictions at the behest of SAGE and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.
For whom it would be instant dismissal.
I mean we all know in normal times MPs got to the commons bar during "work" time.0 -
My mother was part of a large farming family. All the boys, or men as they were when I knew them sounded 'Northern Home Counties rural'. However all my aunts, on whom money was apparently spent to make 'ladies' of them, spoke beautifully. Only when they got into their 90's did my mother, and aunts, regain traces of what I assume were their parental accents.LostPassword said:
My wife is the eldest of four and has a very different accent to her younger brothers because she spent a lot of time growing up with her mother while her brothers spent time with their cousins.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
So we can guess at Nanny's accent.0 -
His nanny was Terry-Thomas?LostPassword said:
My wife is the eldest of four and has a very different accent to her younger brothers because she spent a lot of time growing up with her mother while her brothers spent time with their cousins.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
So we can guess at Nanny's accent.0 -
Not kicking him, just considering his philosophy. I've even been praising his logical consistency.Nigel_Foremain said:
Here is a deal: you stop kicking HYUFD and I'll stop kicking Malcolm? How long can we keep it up?Carnyx said:
I notice his assertion the whole point of the Union of the Kingdoms is to support the Conservative Party. Just to avoid the need for any quic edits, he said" it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union."Nigel_Foremain said:
You carry on reaching out to those swing voters!HYUFD said:Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament0 -
I thought they were almost extinct? Not so Vulgaris anymore perhaps?Carnyx said:
It's a junior synonym for the CSSDS especially under Tory rule in the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
No risk to the species Scotae Whingatus Vulgaris though?Carnyx said:
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.0 -
More likely Professor Yaffle the woodpecker bookend from Bagpus……IshmaelZ said:
His nanny was Terry-Thomas?LostPassword said:
My wife is the eldest of four and has a very different accent to her younger brothers because she spent a lot of time growing up with her mother while her brothers spent time with their cousins.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
So we can guess at Nanny's accent.
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Yes. And tbh I think that is a significant part of the cut through.FrancisUrquhart said:
That's what I mean. Putting aside Boris lying, I don't think he sees having a vino in the garden or a civil servant having a beer at 6pm at their desk as "partying". Clearly he has fostered this very lax attitude and I am pretty certain that is what has been happening, that people have been boozing at their desks when the pubs have been closed.dixiedean said:
And. A culture of "drinking at your desk" sounds unfeasibly alien to your average punter.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
Boris will rationalise it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff. No biggie, don't see why i am getting so much grief for this.
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, especially when you have imposed such strict restrictions at the behest of SAGE and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.
For whom it would be instant dismissal.1 -
Well he has something on Malcolm then. I guess at least HYUFD is polite generally, and reasonably coherent. Oh shit I just did it again!Carnyx said:
Not kicking him, just considering his philosophy. I've even been praising his logical consistency.Nigel_Foremain said:
Here is a deal: you stop kicking HYUFD and I'll stop kicking Malcolm? How long can we keep it up?Carnyx said:
I notice his assertion the whole point of the Union of the Kingdoms is to support the Conservative Party. Just to avoid the need for any quic edits, he said" it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union."Nigel_Foremain said:
You carry on reaching out to those swing voters!HYUFD said:Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament0 -
From an IT perspective can't we automate the process - perhaps so that they kick each other?Carnyx said:
Not kicking him, just considering his philosophy. I've even been praising his logical consistency.Nigel_Foremain said:
Here is a deal: you stop kicking HYUFD and I'll stop kicking Malcolm? How long can we keep it up?Carnyx said:
I notice his assertion the whole point of the Union of the Kingdoms is to support the Conservative Party. Just to avoid the need for any quic edits, he said" it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union."Nigel_Foremain said:
You carry on reaching out to those swing voters!HYUFD said:Remember however the Tories had 0 Scottish seats in 1997 and only 1 seat even in 2015 when they won an overall UK majority.
The Scottish party is no more important to the Tory party than any other regional branch of it, it is the UK Tory party as a whole who will decide who its leader is, after all that is the whole point of the Union. The whole UK determines the UK government, not just Scots, Scots have their own parliament for much domestic policy post devolution but Westminster still remains the UK parliament0 -
About 70-75 per cent of the total voter population, depending on how the Tories are doing, and how one defines the former UKIP (Ms Ballantyne's lot - I can never remember the current name).Nigel_Foremain said:
I thought they were almost extinct? Not so Vulgaris anymore perhaps?Carnyx said:
It's a junior synonym for the CSSDS especially under Tory rule in the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
No risk to the species Scotae Whingatus Vulgaris though?Carnyx said:
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.0 -
Very unlikely.HYUFD said:
Hence it would be pointless getting rid of Boris electorally if they end up with Tory members voting for Truss over Sunak.WhisperingOracle said:
R4 also seemed very clear that busy lizzy is way ahead with members. Worrying for the Tories' long-term prospects, if so, if you ask me.IanB2 said:R4 says Truss has been doing “fizz with Liz” nights for new backbenchers…
Under Truss the Tories would likely be even further behind than the 9% they are under Boris in today's poll1 -
Expelled Conservative rebel Sir Nicholas Soames laid into Boris Johnson’s ally Jacob Rees-Mogg and labelled him an “absolute fraud”.boulay said:
More likely Professor Yaffle the woodpecker bookend from Bagpus……IshmaelZ said:
His nanny was Terry-Thomas?LostPassword said:
My wife is the eldest of four and has a very different accent to her younger brothers because she spent a lot of time growing up with her mother while her brothers spent time with their cousins.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
So we can guess at Nanny's accent.
He excoriated the staunch Brexiteer after he was accused of contemptuous behaviour for reclining in the House of Commons during the Brexit debate this week.
Sir Nicholas said the behaviour was “repulsive” and believed the leader of the Commons is in “serious danger of believing his own schtick”.He told The Times: “I wanted to kick him firmly in the arse and say, ‘What the hell do you think you are playing at? Sit up!’
“[Rees-Mogg] is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse. You do not behave like that as leader of the House.”
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/sir-nicholas-soames-labels-jacob-rees-mogg-an-absolute-fraud-335811
I think the fraud includes the accent.5 -
Very typical of farming families, particularly in Norfolk.OldKingCole said:
My mother was part of a large farming family. All the boys, or men as they were when I knew them sounded 'Northern Home Counties rural'. However all my aunts, on whom money was apparently spent to make 'ladies' of them, spoke beautifully. Only when they got into their 90's did my mother, and aunts, regain traces of what I assume were their parental accents.LostPassword said:
My wife is the eldest of four and has a very different accent to her younger brothers because she spent a lot of time growing up with her mother while her brothers spent time with their cousins.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
So we can guess at Nanny's accent.0 -
That species is considered to be identical to Scotae Radius Solis in most recent academic thought.......Nigel_Foremain said:
No risk to the species Scotae Whingatus Vulgaris though?Carnyx said:
Curious how all the concern on PB this morning is about the extinction of the Lesser-Spotted Tory Scot, though. Much more than is normally expressed for the Commonly-Spotted Social Democratic Scot.Selebian said:
Badgers moving goalposts would be an excellent excuse, though. I think I'll use that next time a project goes over time or budget.Carnyx said:
Is there not a comma missing after badgers?Scott_xP said:Latest #partygate defence: it was the rules which were at fault for being too tough.
See also; badgers moving goalposts and wrong kind of snow on the line.
https://bbc.in/3fi68kg
Edit: and the loss of genetic introgression itno the L.S.T.S. population from the southern subspecies.
Not complaining (very much) though.1 -
At least Annunziata doesn't sound like a pompous twat like her brotherRobD said:
Who's to say she's not putting it on?Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
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No wonder Frosty wanted to renegotiate his own deal.FrancisUrquhart said:
That's what I mean. Putting aside Boris lying, I don't think he sees having a vino in the garden or a civil servant having a beer at 6pm at their desk as "partying". Clearly he has fostered this very lax attitude and I am pretty certain that is what has been happening, that people have been boozing at their desks when the pubs have been closed.dixiedean said:
And. A culture of "drinking at your desk" sounds unfeasibly alien to your average punter.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think its probably because the public hear party and think there have been full on raves in #10, when what it seems to be is drinks and food in the garden, and a culture of drinking at your desk.Nigel_Foremain said:Not sure whether anyone else has commented on this, but in case there might be the odd person who thinks Johnson's apology sincere, they need to take note:
The Times also reports that Tory MPs said the PM told them in the Commons Tea Room after PMQs that he did not believe he had personally done anything wrong, and said: "We're taking hits for something we don't deserve."
Boris will rationalise it as bending of the rules and wanting to be a popular boss rewarding staff. No biggie, don't see why i am getting so much grief for this.
But you can't be making the rules and then breaking them, especially when you have imposed such strict restrictions at the behest of SAGE and actually the cover up is the worst part about it.
For whom it would be instant dismissal.
I mean we all know in normal times MPs got to the commons bar during "work" time.0 -
Honour is a tough & mercurial taskmaster, dictating as it does that one tries one's level best to defend a proper PM chap under siege from the proles, or when breaking off a friendship with a chap fallen foul of the law that one does so in person, flying thousands of miles and staying with him for a few days, if necessary, rather than using pen & paper or a mobile telephonic device.Theuniondivvie said:JRM doubled down in the HoC today, saying the honourable position of an elected Tory member was to support the PM. Ross now a dishonourable, small lightweight it appears.
Not surprising that it's not for everyone.7 -
I've checked Wikipedia and it looks like she was too common and/or thick to get into Eton. More seriously, since Jacob grew up in posh boarding schools, surely it is likely he got his accent there, like, say, Boris.Sunil_Prasannan said:
At least Annunziata doesn't sound like a pompous twat like her brotherRobD said:
Who's to say she's not putting it on?Sunil_Prasannan said:If only Rees-Mogg got rid of that crappy affected accent of his. His sister doesn't speak like that, so he must be putting it on!
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