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FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

You aren't a very big tent Tory are you, its like when you called me a left winger the other week.

I believe this is the one:

https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15980942/oex-bobcat-1-person-tent-15980942/?istCompanyId=c2ec8a5d-93c1-4850-a97a-f4d89d7c99c8&istFeedId=caf85954-1122-4d0b-81df-b8aba2f58e49&istItemId=irtmlqplq&istBid=t&msclkid=812875d62a221ad90c21140ba31979f7&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=*NEW - #2 - OEX - [GS]&utm_term=4581802396561292&utm_content=OEX - Tents - [E]&gclid=812875d62a221ad90c21140ba31979f7&gclsrc=3p.ds

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The thing I can't quite get my head around, these May parties came only a month after Boris nearly died from COVID.

Putting aside the morals of you should be sticking to your own rules and that Boris has got away with consistently breaking them in the past, you would think a brush with death would have sent you the other way, COVID, shit it going to kill everybody, consistently shouting stop, stop...2m....2m....2 f##king metres.....at everybody.

Its a bit like somebody doing 100 mph down the motorway having a big accident and on their release, straight in the motor and piling down the motorway again at 100 mph.

Well most of Downing Street had Covid-19 by that point, I think some of them felt immortal and at the time there were hopes that a Covid-19 infection gave you immunity.

Immunity from prosecution is what some may now be hoping.

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

JosiasJessop said:

Nigelb said:

Sandpit said:

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Afzal Khan calls the PM a liar and the speaker decides to "let that one go".

An open door for PMQs tomorrow. Ask the question were you there yes or no? Get bluster. Get incandescent ranting of the kind Boris gives off when he's losing in. Then call him a liar. Just do it. When the lie is this egregious and so self-evident, time tocall a lie a lie and cope with the suspension if it's actually issued.

Actually Starmer being suspended for calling Johnson a liar over this would extend the coverage even further. So a good idea.

No, it would be a mistake for the LOTO to make himself the story, especially by behaviour not following the rules

There’s good reason for the rules on Parliamentary language - as we occasionally see here, and often see on other forums.

If one can’t make his point without using such unparliamentary language, then they shouldn’t be in Parliament.

There are always ways of saying that the minister has been untruthful, without expliticly using certain words.

It is one thing to have a PM who lies.
It's quite another to have one who lies, knowing that the whole country knows that he's lying, and expecting everyone just to ignore the fact.

(Snip)

The 45 minutes claim didn't finish Blair off, and it can be argued that was far more disastrous for the country than a Downing Street party.

The 45 minute claim was based on a partial reading of intelligence reports about something over which Blair had no personal first hand knowledge. Johnson's lie is about something where he categorically knows the truth of the matter, as it pertains to his own behaviour. You could argue that the 45 minute claim had more serious consequences, but in terms of being a blatant untruth it comes nowhere close to Johnson's output.

RochdalePioneers said:

Jim Strangford breaking down asking his question

Boris Uxbridge

MaxPB said:

3ChordTrick said:

Crowds back in Scotland at sport from next week after the winter break in the Scottish League ends.

Drakeford out on his own now. Absolutely disgraceful that this farce continues.

Especially as the Scots have admitted closing nightclubs and stadia has had negligible impact on the infection rate.

As predicted, Nicola got what she wanted from being a bit different when it didn't really matter, now quietly moving towards the UK government policy.

I wonder how long it will take the parish councillor in Wales to climb down. He's dimwitted enough to believe that these "protections" actually make a difference so it could be a while. In fact I could see a situation where it goes like the Netherlands and they quickly ramp up restrictions in Wales because whatever they have isn't working.

According to this forum, The Drake has changed the measure of cases, so it looks like a sharp fall. Any credence to that?

Good news that Sturgeon has binned the sporting restrictions. Fair play to her.

TOPPING said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Malmesbury said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Aslan said:

Scott_xP said:

dixiedean said:

Why is she dressed like the High Priestess in a Hammer horror?

And it only cost 700 quid...

Ah the misogynistic ugliness of attacking the wife of a politician for her choice of dress. A tradition of prats going back to the French Revolution.

Of course no-one ever attacked Boris or Corbyn over their clothes or the state of their hair.

The politicians themselves are fair game.

True, and Carrie is not exactly like Philip May or Norma Major, keeping well out of things, is she?

A problem which is becoming increasingly evident, in the PM’s inability to find a new Cummings.

He desparately needs someone to tell him when he’s being an idiot, but no-one wants to work as the top dog there with Carrie hanging around.

Is where you're wrong. Every fucker is telling him he is being an idiot.

Yeah but the PM rates his cock as more important than the views of other people. If he stops doing what Carrie wants then how does he get laid? It's not as if he can quietly find some, err, violin player to shag on the side.

JosiasJessop said:

Nigelb said:

Sandpit said:

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Afzal Khan calls the PM a liar and the speaker decides to "let that one go".

An open door for PMQs tomorrow. Ask the question were you there yes or no? Get bluster. Get incandescent ranting of the kind Boris gives off when he's losing in. Then call him a liar. Just do it. When the lie is this egregious and so self-evident, time tocall a lie a lie and cope with the suspension if it's actually issued.

Actually Starmer being suspended for calling Johnson a liar over this would extend the coverage even further. So a good idea.

No, it would be a mistake for the LOTO to make himself the story, especially by behaviour not following the rules

There’s good reason for the rules on Parliamentary language - as we occasionally see here, and often see on other forums.

If one can’t make his point without using such unparliamentary language, then they shouldn’t be in Parliament.

There are always ways of saying that the minister has been untruthful, without expliticly using certain words.

It is one thing to have a PM who lies.
It's quite another to have one who lies, knowing that the whole country knows that he's lying, and expecting everyone just to ignore the fact.

(Snip)

The 45 minutes claim didn't finish Blair off, and it can be argued that was far more disastrous for the country than a Downing Street party.

It was a large contributor to effectively, if belatedly finishing off Labour as a party of government for a decade, and his version of New Labour to this day. And he is still held in contempt by many of those who until then enthusiastically supported him.

And in any event, it was far from clear to everyone at the time that he was lying, however many suspected it.

Boris is just lying to your face knowing that you know.

FrancisUrquhart said:

F##king lawyers....

£150,000 starting salaries as firms fight for staff

A professional recruitment firm says it is placing graduate lawyers on starting salaries as high as £150,000 amid a shortage of workers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59949697

You could count on one hand the number of law firms paying NQs 150k.

3ChordTrick said:

Crowds back in Scotland at sport from next week after the winter break in the Scottish League ends.

Drakeford out on his own now. Absolutely disgraceful that this farce continues.

Especially as the Scots have admitted closing nightclubs and stadia has had negligible impact on the infection rate.

Is that Jason Leitch - he always sounds quite sensible, balancing physical vs mental health in the context of the health of the overall economy.

Taz said:

Roger said:

Talk about putting the boot in.....even Big-G will struggle to find something to distract from this! They've even dragged up tearful brides who had to call their wedding off.

They’re constantly dragging up someone or other with a sob story. Sad as they maybe. They also drag up the Covid for Justice lot too. I just wonder if there is going to be more than a little fatigue in this story.

The ignoble history of DFS sales would suggest not.

IanB2 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

You aren't a very big tent Tory are you, its like when you called me a left winger the other week.

I believe this is the one:

https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15980942/oex-bobcat-1-person-tent-15980942/?istCompanyId=c2ec8a5d-93c1-4850-a97a-f4d89d7c99c8&istFeedId=caf85954-1122-4d0b-81df-b8aba2f58e49&istItemId=irtmlqplq&istBid=t&msclkid=812875d62a221ad90c21140ba31979f7&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=*NEW - #2 - OEX - [GS]&utm_term=4581802396561292&utm_content=OEX - Tents - [E]&gclid=812875d62a221ad90c21140ba31979f7&gclsrc=3p.ds

That reminds me of a camping trip to Loch Ness. Pitched up next to us was what can only be described as the worlds tiniest caravan, 6 guys and girls had driven all the way from Bulgaria. Although they had 2 cars, only this one caravan, no tent, that they all slept in every night. It was like some magic trick watching them disappear into and reappear.

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

You aren't a very big tent Tory are you, its like when you called me a left winger the other week.

Unless you have voted for Welsh Nationalist candidates who will sit in opposition to Tory councillors you are not a proper Tory.

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

Nigelb said:

Sandpit said:

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Afzal Khan calls the PM a liar and the speaker decides to "let that one go".

An open door for PMQs tomorrow. Ask the question were you there yes or no? Get bluster. Get incandescent ranting of the kind Boris gives off when he's losing in. Then call him a liar. Just do it. When the lie is this egregious and so self-evident, time tocall a lie a lie and cope with the suspension if it's actually issued.

Actually Starmer being suspended for calling Johnson a liar over this would extend the coverage even further. So a good idea.

No, it would be a mistake for the LOTO to make himself the story, especially by behaviour not following the rules

There’s good reason for the rules on Parliamentary language - as we occasionally see here, and often see on other forums.

If one can’t make his point without using such unparliamentary language, then they shouldn’t be in Parliament.

There are always ways of saying that the minister has been untruthful, without expliticly using certain words.

It is one thing to have a PM who lies.
It's quite another to have one who lies, knowing that the whole country knows that he's lying, and expecting everyone just to ignore the fact.

(Snip)

The 45 minutes claim didn't finish Blair off, and it can be argued that was far more disastrous for the country than a Downing Street party.

It was a large contributor to effectively, if belatedly finished off Labour as a party of government for a decade, and his version of New Labour to this day. And he is still held in contempt by many of those who until then enthusiastically supported him.

And in any event, it was far from clear to everyone at the time that he was lying, however many suspected it.

Boris is just lying to your face knowing that you know.

I disagree with that. The 45 minute claim was in 2002; it was widely derided at the time, and defended by party loyalists on both sides. Blair went on to be PM for five years, and won an election in 2005 by a large, if reduced, majority.

The consequences of the Iraq debacle for the country were massive.

What did Blair in was Brown and the infighting within Labour.

TOPPING said:

3ChordTrick said:

Crowds back in Scotland at sport from next week after the winter break in the Scottish League ends.

Drakeford out on his own now. Absolutely disgraceful that this farce continues.

Especially as the Scots have admitted closing nightclubs and stadia has had negligible impact on the infection rate.

Is that Jason Leitch - he always sounds quite sensible, balancing physical vs mental health in the context of the health of the overall economy.

It was yes.

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

The PM has one loyal fan on here. Perhaps we should ask him whether he agrees with the simple question of "if the PM breaks the law will he resign?"

Never mind this PM, take ANY PM. If the Prime Minister is caught breaking the law should they resign?

Should a PM have resigned for taking drugs then in the past? We know Cameron was fined and grounded by Eton for taking cannabis and that was illegal then and still illegal. Blair you could argue took us into a war that was illegal under international law, he did not resign.

Having an outdoor drinks break with other No 10 staff legally working is murkier as to whether it was illegal or not depending on whether they were discussing work at all. Of course now you could have 1,000 people in your garden perfectly legally as Covid restrictions have eased

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

F##king lawyers....

£150,000 starting salaries as firms fight for staff

A professional recruitment firm says it is placing graduate lawyers on starting salaries as high as £150,000 amid a shortage of workers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59949697

You could count on one hand the number of law firms paying NQs 150k.

Most City law firms start on £50k however with NQs earning £100k+

May took absolubtely shitloads of questions even when she was in mahoooossive hole over Brexit.

Stuartinromford said:

Just jotting this down:

Theresa May: 1,106 days
Gordon Brown: 1,049 days
Boris Johnson: 902 days so far.

https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1480866984019562497?t=W9wsvmWQ-kA5Bw_HrPunfw&s=19

Local elections are 114 days away...

I'd *love* it if Johnson's term as PM is shorter than Brown's, yet alone May's. Both titans in comparison.

Heathener said:

I'm pretty sure Johnson's not going to survive this. The catalyst will be the May local elections when I suspect the full fury of the British people will be unleashed on the Conservative Party.

Whilst I accept that Boris Johnson previously won elections very successfully as both mayor and prospective PM, there comes a time when even the most successful leaders turn into liabilities. It happened to Margaret Thatcher and it happened to Tony Blair. We have now crossed that line for Boris Johnson.

If by some chance Conservative MPs don't realise this and they hang on to him then I suspect the Party in for an utter drubbing in 2024. But given everything else in the mix, it's moot whether even a fresh leader will now save them.

Labours worst outcome is Boris resigning or being replaced

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The thing I can't quite get my head around, these May parties came only a month after Boris nearly died from COVID.

Putting aside the morals of you should be sticking to your own rules and that Boris has got away with consistently breaking them in the past, you would think a brush with death would have sent you the other way, COVID, shit it going to kill everybody, consistently shouting stop, stop...2m....2m....2 f##king metres.....at everybody.

Its a bit like somebody doing 100 mph down the motorway having a big accident and on their release, straight in the motor and piling down the motorway again at 100 mph.

At the time I believe there was a general feeling that you were unlikely to catch Covid twice, so Johnson probably wasn't too worried for himself.

He would almost certainly have been right at the time. Re-infection of the same strain was and likely still is quite rare. The re-infection we are seeing now is a new variant infecting people who had prior infections of original covid, or alpha or delta.

malcolmg said:

3ChordTrick said:

TOPPING said:

3ChordTrick said:

Crowds back in Scotland at sport from next week after the winter break in the Scottish League ends.

Drakeford out on his own now. Absolutely disgraceful that this farce continues.

Especially as the Scots have admitted closing nightclubs and stadia has had negligible impact on the infection rate.

Is that Jason Leitch - he always sounds quite sensible, balancing physical vs mental health in the context of the health of the overall economy.

It was yes.

He is a real fanny though

How so Malc?

What astounds me, but maybe it shouldn't, is the sheer inability to learn the lessons of the last scandal. Over and over again.

Whenever something comes up it's the same arrogant reflex. Dismiss the accusations, prevaricate, send out ministers to defend the indefensible. Then seem surprised (and irritated) when it doesn't work.

Why? Perhaps because they got away with it over Brexit, and then once with Cummings? Unlike Brexit they can't count on the tribal loyalty of half of the country.

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

TimS said:

What astounds me, but maybe it shouldn't, is the sheer inability to learn the lessons of the last scandal. Over and over again.

Whenever something comes up it's the same arrogant reflex. Dismiss the accusations, prevaricate, send out ministers to defend the indefensible. Then seem surprised (and irritated) when it doesn't work.

Why? Perhaps because they got away with it over Brexit, and then once with Cummings? Unlike Brexit they can't count on the tribal loyalty of half of the country.

It’s worked so far. Still in the hot seat isn’t he. He’ll think all he needs to do is wait it out a few weeks and hope something comes up, like Putin invading Ukraine or some such, to see him past the May locals and into summer recess.

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

The PM has one loyal fan on here. Perhaps we should ask him whether he agrees with the simple question of "if the PM breaks the law will he resign?"

Never mind this PM, take ANY PM. If the Prime Minister is caught breaking the law should they resign?

Should a PM have resigned for taking drugs then in the past? We know Cameron was fined and grounded by Eton for taking cannabis and that was illegal then and still illegal. Blair you could argue took us into a war that was illegal under international law, he did not resign.

Having an outdoor drinks break with other No 10 staff legally working is murkier as to whether it was illegal or not depending on whether they were discussing work at all. Of course now you could have 1,000 people in your garden perfectly legally as Covid restrictions have eased

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Is there any proof Boris did break the law? Those in No 10 in 2020 were all working, there is no proof they did not discuss work at all even when drinking outside and no photos of Boris at this drinks too anyway.

As I stated Cameron did break the law when he took Cannabis at Eton, he did not resign. Blair arguably broke the law when he took us into war in Iraq against international law, he did not resign either

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

The PM has one loyal fan on here. Perhaps we should ask him whether he agrees with the simple question of "if the PM breaks the law will he resign?"

Never mind this PM, take ANY PM. If the Prime Minister is caught breaking the law should they resign?

Should a PM have resigned for taking drugs then in the past? We know Cameron was fined and grounded by Eton for taking cannabis and that was illegal then and still illegal. Blair you could argue took us into a war that was illegal under international law, he did not resign.

Having an outdoor drinks break with other No 10 staff legally working is murkier as to whether it was illegal or not depending on whether they were discussing work at all. Of course now you could have 1,000 people in your garden perfectly legally as Covid restrictions have eased

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Is there any proof Boris did break the law? Those in No 10 in 2020 were all working, there is no proof they did not discuss work at all even when drinking outside and no photos of Boris at this drinks too anyway.

As I stated Cameron did break the law when he took Cannabis at Eton, he did not resign. Blair arguably broke the law when he took us into war in Iraq against international law, he did not resign either

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Meanwhile

https://evolvepolitics.com/the-labour-party-is-on-the-verge-of-bankruptcy/

The most important thing Conservatives can do is read the mood music and apologise with a huge amount of contrition and humility - even on a forum such as this.

The worst thing they can do is try to pretend a legal and moral crime hasn't been committed and that the nation isn't deeply hurt, even furious.

I don't think they will. Because since 2016 and then 2019 they have made that fatal, fatal, political error of living in a land of hubris.

It's what brings them all down in the end, from left or right.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Heathener said:

I'm pretty sure Johnson's not going to survive this. The catalyst will be the May local elections when I suspect the full fury of the British people will be unleashed on the Conservative Party.

Whilst I accept that Boris Johnson previously won elections very successfully as both mayor and prospective PM, there comes a time when even the most successful leaders turn into liabilities. It happened to Margaret Thatcher and it happened to Tony Blair. We have now crossed that line for Boris Johnson.

If by some chance Conservative MPs don't realise this and they hang on to him then I suspect the Party in for an utter drubbing in 2024. But given everything else in the mix, it's moot whether even a fresh leader will now save them.

Labours worst outcome is Boris resigning or being replaced

Probably true - but saying that, the extent to which getting rid of Boris cures things is overstated. Other Tories will be tainted to some extent, and it's not entirely clear a Truss or Sunak can hold on to the same coalition. They'll have to take their own tricky decisions and watch the shine wear off when they annoy people with them. Neither are as shameless as Boris in lying - which may be a good thing for the country but may make things electorally more difficult when you can't bluster your way through failure and tell people completely contradictory things. E.g. Sunak will have to decide between fiscal responsibility, levelling up, repairing public services, and lower taxes. Popular as he is at the moment - I'm not sure he can claim black is white as well with a straight face.

From Labour's POV it's also far better he go sooner rather than later too as they'll have time to probe and pick at his replacement's weaknesses rather than the worst case which is that Boris goes, say, sumer next year and his replacement has the honeymoon and can legitimately hold an election during that period.

Farooq said:

Who GAF what's good or bad for Labour? We need a PM who isn't a chaos monger, someone who can actually fucking govern.

And wouldn't it be lovely to have someone who isn't morally corrupt? There are ethical people in the Conservative Party. They need to step forward.

HYUFD said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

The PM has one loyal fan on here. Perhaps we should ask him whether he agrees with the simple question of "if the PM breaks the law will he resign?"

Never mind this PM, take ANY PM. If the Prime Minister is caught breaking the law should they resign?

Should a PM have resigned for taking drugs then in the past? We know Cameron was fined and grounded by Eton for taking cannabis and that was illegal then and still illegal. Blair you could argue took us into a war that was illegal under international law, he did not resign.

Having an outdoor drinks break with other No 10 staff legally working is murkier as to whether it was illegal or not depending on whether they were discussing work at all. Of course now you could have 1,000 people in your garden perfectly legally as Covid restrictions have eased

Cameron broke the law many years before he was PM. Blair very strongly argues he did not break the law, and was never charged or apparently close to charging.

In terms of your comment "Of course now..." that is jaw-droppingly daft, even for you. You can have a crowd at a football match now... but if Torquay United had tried that in May 2020, there would have been arrests. It also wasn't "murky" in May 2020 - there was absolutely no question of employers thinking they could organise BYOB drinks events in the car park, whether or not anyone mentioned the big contract at any point. People would have said they were crackers for even contemplating it.

What is your position, HYUFD, if the Police do finally decide to issue some fines? I don't think Dick will, but does it constitute a resigning matter? Johnson would have been demonstrated to have broken the law whilst PM - is that a resigning matter?

It would have to be proved that Johnson not only attended this drinks party outside but did not discuss work at all whilst there to prove he broke the law in May 2020

I wouldn't normally go down this route but I suggest you put a sock in it. Stop coming out with this drivel.

Have some grace and humility, self-awareness and honesty.

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

F##king lawyers....

£150,000 starting salaries as firms fight for staff

A professional recruitment firm says it is placing graduate lawyers on starting salaries as high as £150,000 amid a shortage of workers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59949697

You could count on one hand the number of law firms paying NQs 150k.

Most City law firms start on £50k however with NQs earning £100k+

Only as of this quarter. Its only this quarter where silver and magic circle firms have started upping NQ rates above £100k.

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

The PM has one loyal fan on here. Perhaps we should ask him whether he agrees with the simple question of "if the PM breaks the law will he resign?"

Never mind this PM, take ANY PM. If the Prime Minister is caught breaking the law should they resign?

Should a PM have resigned for taking drugs then in the past? We know Cameron was fined and grounded by Eton for taking cannabis and that was illegal then and still illegal. Blair you could argue took us into a war that was illegal under international law, he did not resign.

Having an outdoor drinks break with other No 10 staff legally working is murkier as to whether it was illegal or not depending on whether they were discussing work at all. Of course now you could have 1,000 people in your garden perfectly legally as Covid restrictions have eased

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Is there any proof Boris did break the law? Those in No 10 in 2020 were all working, there is no proof they did not discuss work at all even when drinking outside and no photos of Boris at this drinks too anyway.

As I stated Cameron did break the law when he took Cannabis at Eton, he did not resign. Blair arguably broke the law when he took us into war in Iraq against international law, he did not resign either

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

The PM has one loyal fan on here. Perhaps we should ask him whether he agrees with the simple question of "if the PM breaks the law will he resign?"

Never mind this PM, take ANY PM. If the Prime Minister is caught breaking the law should they resign?

Should a PM have resigned for taking drugs then in the past? We know Cameron was fined and grounded by Eton for taking cannabis and that was illegal then and still illegal. Blair you could argue took us into a war that was illegal under international law, he did not resign.

Having an outdoor drinks break with other No 10 staff legally working is murkier as to whether it was illegal or not depending on whether they were discussing work at all. Of course now you could have 1,000 people in your garden perfectly legally as Covid restrictions have eased

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Is there any proof Boris did break the law? Those in No 10 in 2020 were all working, there is no proof they did not discuss work at all even when drinking outside and no photos of Boris at this drinks too anyway.

As I stated Cameron did break the law when he took Cannabis at Eton, he did not resign. Blair arguably broke the law when he took us into war in Iraq against international law, he did not resign either

Its a simple question. Should the PM - any PM - have to resign if they are caught breaking the law? This is about simple principles.

Meanwhile

https://evolvepolitics.com/the-labour-party-is-on-the-verge-of-bankruptcy/

I'm a long-standing advocate for state funding of parties to remove the stench of donor cronyism. Which removes questionable finances of Unite as much as murky off-shore financiers. But if that isn't about to happen Labour will be able to find their own murky funds easier to come by now the loons are on their way.

And you may find yourself
Drinking at a garden party
And you may find yourself
Enjoying cheese and wine
And you may find yourself
Saying you weren’t even there
And we may ask ourselves
Well how did we get here? https://twitter.com/RobinFlavell/status/1480798900537671683/photo/1

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

F##king lawyers....

£150,000 starting salaries as firms fight for staff

A professional recruitment firm says it is placing graduate lawyers on starting salaries as high as £150,000 amid a shortage of workers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59949697

You could count on one hand the number of law firms paying NQs 150k.

Most City law firms start on £50k however with NQs earning £100k+

Only as of this quarter. Its only this quarter where silver and magic circle firms have started upping NQ rates above £100k.

Though the top US firms already did before this quarter

Nigel_Foremain said:

I wonder how many people were prosecuted or at least cautioned for having parties in their gardens in the same time period?

your reminder that almost 2,000 people have been prosecuted at Westminster magistrates court for ignoring lockdowns, attending parties and breaking quarantine during this pandemic
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1480676080554065922

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 10-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

A nice poem:

https://twitter.com/brian_bilston/status/1480862278027251716?s=20

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

F##king lawyers....

£150,000 starting salaries as firms fight for staff

A professional recruitment firm says it is placing graduate lawyers on starting salaries as high as £150,000 amid a shortage of workers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59949697

You could count on one hand the number of law firms paying NQs 150k.

Most City law firms start on £50k however with NQs earning £100k+

Only as of this quarter. Its only this quarter where silver and magic circle firms have started upping NQ rates above £100k.

They will have very large targets and the burn out rate will be horrific. Nice work if you can hack it.

WhisperingOracle said:

moonshine said:

TimS said:

What astounds me, but maybe it shouldn't, is the sheer inability to learn the lessons of the last scandal. Over and over again.

Whenever something comes up it's the same arrogant reflex. Dismiss the accusations, prevaricate, send out ministers to defend the indefensible. Then seem surprised (and irritated) when it doesn't work.

Why? Perhaps because they got away with it over Brexit, and then once with Cummings? Unlike Brexit they can't count on the tribal loyalty of half of the country.

It’s worked so far. Still in the hot seat isn’t he. He’ll think all he needs to do is wait it out a few weeks and hope something comes up, like Putin invading Ukraine or some such, to see him past the May locals and into summer recess.

The thing is, Cummings also seems to be thinking like this, possibly knowing the way his former master's mind works, and I have a strong feeling that's why he keeps re-entering the stage just when it looks like Johnson is doing a bit better, such as the 2% bounce over not following the christmas restrictions pressure this week, for instance.

It also seemed to be an exactly similar moment before the last Cummings toffee surprise with the Allegra Stratton video, for instance. He was just recovering from earlier sleaze stories ; the nation's attention just beginning to turn back to Christmas and also how / whether to restrict with the pandemic ; etc.

If this is so, as I strongly suspect, Johnson will only carry on being cumulatively damaged, and as someone also mentioned the other day, possibly only recovering from a lower and lower base.

On the assumption that all the leaks and revelations are coming from one source, it is certainly a masterclass in how to bring someone down - which does of course assume that it works and/or there’s a final bullet polished and ready to fire at the perfect moment…

WhisperingOracle said:

moonshine said:

TimS said:

What astounds me, but maybe it shouldn't, is the sheer inability to learn the lessons of the last scandal. Over and over again.

Whenever something comes up it's the same arrogant reflex. Dismiss the accusations, prevaricate, send out ministers to defend the indefensible. Then seem surprised (and irritated) when it doesn't work.

Why? Perhaps because they got away with it over Brexit, and then once with Cummings? Unlike Brexit they can't count on the tribal loyalty of half of the country.

It’s worked so far. Still in the hot seat isn’t he. He’ll think all he needs to do is wait it out a few weeks and hope something comes up, like Putin invading Ukraine or some such, to see him past the May locals and into summer recess.

The thing is, Cummings also seems to be thinking like this, possibly knowing the way his former master's mind works, and I have a strong feeling that's why he keeps re-entering the stage just when it looks like Johnson is doing a bit better, such as the 2% bounce over not following the christmas restrictions pressure this week .

It also seemed to be an almost exactly similar moment before the last Cummings toffee surprise with the Allegra Stratton video, for instance. He was just recovering from earlier sleaze stories ; the nation's attention just beginning to turn back to Christmas and also how / whether to restrict with the pandemic ; etc.

If this is so, as I strongly suspect, Johnson will only carry on being cumulatively damaged, and as someone also mentioned the other day, possibly only recovering from a lower and lower base.

Still no full on smoking gun though is there. The govt will be playing an extreme form of expectations management if he makes it as far as the locals, you wonder how badly he’d need to do before he’s handed the whisky and revolver.

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 10-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

Newbottle has been a village there for nearly a thousand years.

FrancisUrquhart said:

IanB2 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

You aren't a very big tent Tory are you, its like when you called me a left winger the other week.

I believe this is the one:

https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15980942/oex-bobcat-1-person-tent-15980942/?istCompanyId=c2ec8a5d-93c1-4850-a97a-f4d89d7c99c8&istFeedId=caf85954-1122-4d0b-81df-b8aba2f58e49&istItemId=irtmlqplq&istBid=t&msclkid=812875d62a221ad90c21140ba31979f7&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=*NEW - #2 - OEX - [GS]&utm_term=4581802396561292&utm_content=OEX - Tents - [E]&gclid=812875d62a221ad90c21140ba31979f7&gclsrc=3p.ds

That reminds me of a camping trip to Loch Ness. Pitched up next to us was what can only be described as the worlds tiniest caravan, 6 guys and girls had driven all the way from Bulgaria. Although they had 2 cars, only this one caravan, no tent, that they all slept in every night. It was like some magic trick watching them disappear into and reappear.

Wow. Some political party that must have been.

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 50-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

Houghton only has a population of 36k because they now include neighbouring settlements like Hetton and Newbottle into it.

I do appreciate your lecture on my former home that you have never visited though, very insightful.

Also home of William Shanks, the amateur mathematician who worked out the value of π to 707 decimals (of which the first 527 were correct).

dixiedean said:

Scott_xP said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

How long before Boris decides that the only way he can get out of this latest scrape is to blame it all on Carrie?

Maybe he suggested it last night...

Why is she dressed like the High Priestess in a Hammer horror?

According to the Tatler, Carrie wore "a folksy Marais embroidered dress by British brand Wiggy Kit, teamed with white statement earrings and an Anya Hindmarch beaded shoulder bag".
https://www.tatler.com/article/joan-collins-night-out-at-oswalds

Odd URL btw. Oswald's (the club) is owned by Robin Birley, one of Boris's cheque-writers and owner of wherever it was Liz Truss took her American guests in last week's scandal.

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 50-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

Houghton only has a population of 36k because they now include neighbouring settlements like Hetton and Newbottle into it.

I do appreciate your lecture on my former home that you have never visited though, very insightful.

And my town is made up of three separate villages, albeit ones built pretty much at the same time, with only one route between the three.

First line on Wikipedia: "Houghton-le-Spring is a town in the City of Sunderland."

BlancheLivermore said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 10-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

Newbottle has been a village there for nearly a thousand years.

A lie. "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" and actually Newbottle is part of Houghton-le-Spring which makes it all a town and actually the chair of Sunderland Conservative Association isn't an MP so actually we know Boris is now safe.

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 10-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

Live Houghton webcam...



It's a village.

The Houghton Feast wasn't far off that...

Nigel_Foremain said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

F##king lawyers....

£150,000 starting salaries as firms fight for staff

A professional recruitment firm says it is placing graduate lawyers on starting salaries as high as £150,000 amid a shortage of workers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59949697

You could count on one hand the number of law firms paying NQs 150k.

Most City law firms start on £50k however with NQs earning £100k+

Only as of this quarter. Its only this quarter where silver and magic circle firms have started upping NQ rates above £100k.

They will have very large targets and the burn out rate will be horrific. Nice work if you can hack it.

People who read "The Firm" and think that Mitch McDeere was a slacker....

moonshine said:

JosiasJessop said:

Roger said:

JosiasJessop said:

Nigelb said:

Sandpit said:

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Afzal Khan calls the PM a liar and the speaker decides to "let that one go".

An open door for PMQs tomorrow. Ask the question were you there yes or no? Get bluster. Get incandescent ranting of the kind Boris gives off when he's losing in. Then call him a liar. Just do it. When the lie is this egregious and so self-evident, time tocall a lie a lie and cope with the suspension if it's actually issued.

Actually Starmer being suspended for calling Johnson a liar over this would extend the coverage even further. So a good idea.

No, it would be a mistake for the LOTO to make himself the story, especially by behaviour not following the rules

There’s good reason for the rules on Parliamentary language - as we occasionally see here, and often see on other forums.

If one can’t make his point without using such unparliamentary language, then they shouldn’t be in Parliament.

There are always ways of saying that the minister has been untruthful, without expliticly using certain words.

It is one thing to have a PM who lies.
It's quite another to have one who lies, knowing that the whole country knows that he's lying, and expecting everyone just to ignore the fact.

(Snip)

The 45 minutes claim didn't finish Blair off, and it can be argued that was far more disastrous for the country than a Downing Street party.

Silly non sequitur

Yes, the 45 minute claim was much, much worse than any lie Johnson has made.

To be clear: Boris should go. In fact, my position has always been that he was unsuitable to be PM. I was sadly proved correct.

But at least I don't try and excuse the inexcusable, as many do with Blair.

Blair shifted the Overton window on acceptable behaviour for a leader. And the debasement in politics has carried on from there.

So... is Tonty Blair behind this?

BlancheLivermore said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

eek said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".

HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.

Every MP in Sunderland is already Labour

Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.

They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in Sunderland

There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).

There are no villages in any Sunderland seat

Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?

You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?

Houghton is a town not a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring

I lived there for 3 years. Your move luv.

Houghton has a population of 36,746.

Generally a settlement with a population of 10-50,000 is a town, a settlement with a population of 100,000+ is a city, as is a settlement of 10-100,000 with a cathedral.

A settlement with a population of under 10,000 is only generally counted as a village

Newbottle has been a village there for nearly a thousand years.

Time to drop the "New"?