Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
Just out of curiosity, I wondered if you had any photos of your garden socials during lockdown that you'd like to share with the Epping Police all your friends on PB?
It was legal to meet others outside in May 2020 and I did, though no garden parties. The photo of course was of the PM and civil servants all at No 10 for work outside
Sunak's trip seems to be getting a bit murkier. No published itinerary, no listing of government business.
Like I said a while back it was likely a holiday with a ‘meeting’ hurriedly arranged when the UK media started showing some interest in it.
There is no foreign travel ban at present anyway as long as you are vaccinated and test negative
I don't think anyone is saying he broke the rules. But there's a cognitive discrepancy - if it was a family holiday, it's seen as insensitive at a time when small businesses were screaming for answers; if it was a business trip too urgent to delay, then what was it about? The official line seems to be that it was a business trip during which he took the opportunity to look up some family, but that leaves both aspects open.
My guess is that he arranged it a while back and thought how nice, we can conbine with family, and then when the crisis intensified he didn't have the antennae to think "Um, how will this look?" The fact that he hastily cur it short and hurried home suggests a belated recognition of that.
Its similar to Raab being in Crete when Afghanistan fell apart.
They don't seem to think of the imagery if things don't go to plan.
It sounds like Whitty and Vallance are absolutely the drivers for more lockdown from that Telegraph report
IF - and this is a huge IF - it turns out their advice is ignored, and the nation survives, and there aren’t “6,000 deaths a day” or whatever bollox they are predicting, then they must be driven from public life, and forced to live in Wick, in Scotland.
There must be a price to pay for being SOOOOOO wrong. Seriously. If the boffins want to run the place, they must accept there is a cost to being a fucking idiot and getting it all wrong
That is: IF they are wrong
What is wrong with Wick
We have family there
Clearly you haven’t been?
ON OUR WICK ‘We escaped Taliban but hated life in depressing Wick – please don’t send us back to Scotland’, say Afghan refugees Graham Mann 9:00, 9 Dec 2021Updated: 9:41, 9 Dec 2021
AN Afghan refugee who revealed he’d rather risk being beheaded by the Taliban than stay any longer in Wick, Scotland, has fled to London, we can reveal.
Not only have I been many times, my wife stayed there during the war, and we have family living there
I like Wick. Great train journey
I mean, this is PB contrarianism taken to the ultimate level. By any metric Wick is a hideous and depressing place to live. Why bother disputing this?
That Afghan guy would literally rather risk being beheaded in Kabul than live in Wick, Scotland. Doesn’t that kind of say something? To even the deafest of PB-ears?
Because members of my family have lived there happily for generations
It sounds like Whitty and Vallance are absolutely the drivers for more lockdown from that Telegraph report
IF - and this is a huge IF - it turns out their advice is ignored, and the nation survives, and there aren’t “6,000 deaths a day” or whatever bollox they are predicting, then they must be driven from public life, and forced to live in Wick, in Scotland.
There must be a price to pay for being SOOOOOO wrong. Seriously. If the boffins want to run the place, they must accept there is a cost to being a fucking idiot and getting it all wrong
That is: IF they are wrong
What is wrong with Wick
We have family there
Clearly you haven’t been?
ON OUR WICK ‘We escaped Taliban but hated life in depressing Wick – please don’t send us back to Scotland’, say Afghan refugees Graham Mann 9:00, 9 Dec 2021Updated: 9:41, 9 Dec 2021
AN Afghan refugee who revealed he’d rather risk being beheaded by the Taliban than stay any longer in Wick, Scotland, has fled to London, we can reveal.
Not only have I been many times, my wife stayed there during the war, and we have family living there
I like Wick. Great train journey
I mean, this is PB contrarianism taken to the ultimate level. By any metric Wick is a hideous and depressing place to live. Why bother disputing this?
That Afghan guy would literally rather risk being beheaded in Kabul than live in Wick, Scotland. Doesn’t that kind of say something? To even the deafest of PB-ears?
It says he has a penchant for hyperbole, if nothing else.
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
If that is true, surely there must be some waY of prosecuting them, even if it's only wasting government time.
You need both a nhs number and their date of birth. I really can’t imagine that many people are doing it.
Is this why they appear to have reset the booking system ? My son has been trying to book a booster for some time, without success. All of a sudden he logged on today and found a dozen clear appointment times for tomorrow.
*Only If the claim about antivaxxers is true*, then it needs Insulate Britain type sanctions if it can be proved. The same sort of attack on infrastructure.
Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
Just out of curiosity, I wondered if you had any photos of your garden socials during lockdown that you'd like to share with the Epping Police all your friends on PB?
It was legal to meet others outside in May 2020 and I did, though no garden parties. The photo of course was of the PM and civil servants all at No 10 for work outside
News to me that the CSC allowed the recruitment of very small babies, or that Mrs Johnson is a civil servant.
You said you had lots of garden parties at the same time as the PM did. But then you did muddle 2020 and 2021.
Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
It was against the rules to have socials in gardens. Most of us occasionally had a quick chat at a distance on someone’s doorstep while dropping off food or some other pretext and that was it for social life. I remember how exciting it was when it changed in June(?) to be permissible to sit in someone else’s garden and see people you hasn’t seen for 3 months.
Maybe you were breaking the rules too, but most people really weren’t.
You could have socials in gardens last May even in limited numbers.
Plus those in the photo were at No 10 for government work purposes anyway
Will you please stop using the phrase "last" and specify the actual fucking year? I went months at a time without seeing my family in 2020.
HYUFD, why are you defending this crap? Despite it being abundantly clear the government want to implement another lockdown, your personal red line. And the only thing from stopping them are these photos of the Prime Minister taking the piss out of all of us.
There is no evidence Boris wants another lockdown even if civil servants do
Then why is he sending his Health Secretary out to talk to every knobhead with a camera and mic, about how desperate the situation is and how we might even need a lockdown before Christmas?
If you were right, it would be quite simple. He would have said at his press conference: “when I said our exit from restrictions was irreversible I meant it. Which is why I have asked my team to make any and all preparations deemed necessary to protect against this variant, within the constraint that we will not be returning to restrictions under any circumstance”.
He’s a lazy, thoughtless fuck and so is everyone else in charge. We’re in a trillion pounds of extra debt and two years on. For what? Where’s the surge capacity for infectious diseases? Why isn’t every vulnerable person in the country equipped with FFP3? Where’s the outreach to persuade unvaccinated minority groups? Where is the carrot and stick to price in the cost to the Nhs of being unvaccinated? What’s happening with the anti virals? Why are windows on trains still bloody locked? Where’s the action on ventilation in classrooms? Why is he still noncing on about washing hands rather than giving advice on sleep, nutrition and vit d3/zinc? Why does every household not now have an oximeter with clear instructions of how to use it and when to phone 111? Etc….
You are a loyal representative of a total bloody shambles of a government. And it’s only by a stroke of luck that omicron isn’t going to cause us a problem. A different variant and their crap management of the country would be condemning countless more to a needless death.
Your examples are good ones.
But I'd say why doesn't anyone else think of these things and do something about them.
After all there's no shortage of people with big titles and big pay packets who should be capable of doing so.
Its no good relying on the man at the top if that man is famously weak on details.
I guess Javid is reading a little less Ann Rand than he used to.
It seems Gove and Javid will do what civil servants and SAGE want and back more restrictions. The rest of the Cabinet led by Sunak, Truss and Rees Mogg and for now it looks like Boris too will ignore them and not impose another lockdown this Christmas
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 2h SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
Pathetic. They won **** all, and poor Southgate had to acknowledge that.
Daley and Lee should have won that.
The most ridiculous opinion aired on here for quite some time. Bravo.
Why ?
A gallant loser is still a loser.
That's stupid Trump talk.
I go down in a 5 set thriller in the Wimbledon final.
I come 1st in the Hampstead annual crepe tossing contest.
Which is the greater achievement?
They lost, pathetically. On penalties, again. Despite being the better team in terms of talent
England is the home of football, with the world’s greatest football league, and now an embarrassment of young footballing skill
We should be expecting to WIN tournaments - like Germany, France, Italy or Spain - not pitifully grateful for a silver medal
It’s this loser attitude that means we lose. When we ditch this attitude, we win. See various English/British teams in rugby, cricket, golf, Olympic sports etc
On this I have to agree with you. It’s celebrating mediocrity..A gallant loser is still a loser.
It's celebrating a great achievement.
Not my flag but impressed by the England team, who came across as polite and thoughtful young men. A role model for older people, like those that post here
You might even say they had a bit of personality.
Well fuck that, they aren't paid to be polite and thoughtful, they are meant to win footie matches.
Also note the unchallenged claim that if England had won it would have been a policing disaster what with the Quote fans unquote being a bunch of utter cocksuckers off their tits on overstrength lager and heavily cut coke. The beautiful game innit.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 2h SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
===
It's bollx and they know it.
Did they claim it was going to be 6k sustained for a month? I don't think they did.
It sounds like Whitty and Vallance are absolutely the drivers for more lockdown from that Telegraph report
IF - and this is a huge IF - it turns out their advice is ignored, and the nation survives, and there aren’t “6,000 deaths a day” or whatever bollox they are predicting, then they must be driven from public life, and forced to live in Wick, in Scotland.
There must be a price to pay for being SOOOOOO wrong. Seriously. If the boffins want to run the place, they must accept there is a cost to being a fucking idiot and getting it all wrong
That is: IF they are wrong
What is wrong with Wick
We have family there
Clearly you haven’t been?
ON OUR WICK ‘We escaped Taliban but hated life in depressing Wick – please don’t send us back to Scotland’, say Afghan refugees Graham Mann 9:00, 9 Dec 2021Updated: 9:41, 9 Dec 2021
AN Afghan refugee who revealed he’d rather risk being beheaded by the Taliban than stay any longer in Wick, Scotland, has fled to London, we can reveal.
Not only have I been many times, my wife stayed there during the war, and we have family living there
I like Wick. Great train journey
I mean, this is PB contrarianism taken to the ultimate level. By any metric Wick is a hideous and depressing place to live. Why bother disputing this?
That Afghan guy would literally rather risk being beheaded in Kabul than live in Wick, Scotland. Doesn’t that kind of say something? To even the deafest of PB-ears?
Cheap beer in the Pub I stayed in
I suspect the refugee wouldn't fully appreciate the Real Ale.
Liz Truss talking to Eddie Mair on 2016 referendum
Truss “I don’t think people have changed their minds”
Mair “You have”
Truss “That’s true”
But most people haven't, as polls have shown.
But plenty have, as polls have shown.
The vast majority haven't though, which was my point.
But Truss said “I don’t think people have changed their minds”. Some have, including her.
Anyway, I am not trying to re-open Brexit (it's done - move on); I am merely pointing out Truss's flexibility of opinion to suit her career.
In general people have not changed their mind. If she said "I think people have changed their mind", that would mean she thinks there was a significant shift in opinion, which there hasn't been.
And honestly, it's no different to Starmer saying he accepts the referendum result.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 2h SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
===
It's bollx and they know it.
Iain Martin is either being stupid or disingenuous. Its the absolute upper limit of an estimate of a PEAK number i.e. even the bullshit modellers aren't saying 6k deaths a day for a month. They are saying their model says that the very highest level we will see on any one day with be 6k, that's a very different thing.
The fact the band is 600 to 6000 is the totally nonsense element. I might as well ask Brenda from Bristol what she thinks.
I guess Javid is reading a little less Ann Rand than he used to.
It seems Gove and Javid will do what civil servants and SAGE want and back more restrictions The rest of the Cabinet led by Sunak, Truss and Rees Mogg and for now it looks like Boris too will ignore them and not impose another lockdown this Christmas
Define lockdown. Would an 8pm hospitality curfew count, or will you be on here supporting that as soon as it is announced?
It sounds like Whitty and Vallance are absolutely the drivers for more lockdown from that Telegraph report
IF - and this is a huge IF - it turns out their advice is ignored, and the nation survives, and there aren’t “6,000 deaths a day” or whatever bollox they are predicting, then they must be driven from public life, and forced to live in Wick, in Scotland.
There must be a price to pay for being SOOOOOO wrong. Seriously. If the boffins want to run the place, they must accept there is a cost to being a fucking idiot and getting it all wrong
That is: IF they are wrong
What is wrong with Wick
We have family there
Clearly you haven’t been?
ON OUR WICK ‘We escaped Taliban but hated life in depressing Wick – please don’t send us back to Scotland’, say Afghan refugees Graham Mann 9:00, 9 Dec 2021Updated: 9:41, 9 Dec 2021
AN Afghan refugee who revealed he’d rather risk being beheaded by the Taliban than stay any longer in Wick, Scotland, has fled to London, we can reveal.
Not only have I been many times, my wife stayed there during the war, and we have family living there
I like Wick. Great train journey
I mean, this is PB contrarianism taken to the ultimate level. By any metric Wick is a hideous and depressing place to live. Why bother disputing this?
That Afghan guy would literally rather risk being beheaded in Kabul than live in Wick, Scotland. Doesn’t that kind of say something? To even the deafest of PB-ears?
It says he has a penchant for hyperbole, if nothing else.
It is a story in the famously non hyperbolic Sun. What are the chances that was a direct quote ?
Telegraph reporting that Johnson is considering an 8pm curfew for hospitality trade.
Bonkers on stilts with bells on.
The utter imbecility of that is that it would increase congestion between 5pm and 8pm.
It reminds me of a solution suggested in Ireland. Given that it’s dark when we get up and dark when you leave, work on Indian time so that the 8pm closure is midnight for your body clock.
Telegraph reporting that Johnson is considering an 8pm curfew for hospitality trade.
Bonkers on stilts with bells on.
That’s our New Year’s Eve meal screwed as we were due to eat at 7.45
What are we supposed to do between dinner and midnight mass? Freeze to death?
Um, you are meant to fast before communion? Don't tell me let me guess, you didn't know that because you only do it once a year, as a fashion statement?
Truss once supported a republic? And now Truss is a strong supporter of monarchy?
A conveniently adjustable Truss for quick if temporary support.
A potential leader after HYUFD’s own heart.
Though inexplicably he’s backing Sunak.
Sunak has always been a constitutional monarchist and backed Leave in 2016 too. Truss simply had a Damascene conversion to both from being a former Remainer and republican
Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
It was against the rules to have socials in gardens. Most of us occasionally had a quick chat at a distance on someone’s doorstep while dropping off food or some other pretext and that was it for social life. I remember how exciting it was when it changed in June(?) to be permissible to sit in someone else’s garden and see people you hasn’t seen for 3 months.
Maybe you were breaking the rules too, but most people really weren’t.
You could have socials in gardens last May even in limited numbers.
Plus those in the photo were at No 10 for government work purposes anyway
Will you please stop using the phrase "last" and specify the actual fucking year? I went months at a time without seeing my family in 2020.
HYUFD, why are you defending this crap? Despite it being abundantly clear the government want to implement another lockdown, your personal red line. And the only thing from stopping them are these photos of the Prime Minister taking the piss out of all of us.
There is no evidence Boris wants another lockdown even if civil servants do
Then why is he sending his Health Secretary out to talk to every knobhead with a camera and mic, about how desperate the situation is and how we might even need a lockdown before Christmas?
If you were right, it would be quite simple. He would have said at his press conference: “when I said our exit from restrictions was irreversible I meant it. Which is why I have asked my team to make any and all preparations deemed necessary to protect against this variant, within the constraint that we will not be returning to restrictions under any circumstance”.
He’s a lazy, thoughtless fuck and so is everyone else in charge. We’re in a trillion pounds of extra debt and two years on. For what? Where’s the surge capacity for infectious diseases? Why isn’t every vulnerable person in the country equipped with FFP3? Where’s the outreach to persuade unvaccinated minority groups? Where is the carrot and stick to price in the cost to the Nhs of being unvaccinated? What’s happening with the anti virals? Why are windows on trains still bloody locked? Where’s the action on ventilation in classrooms? Why is he still noncing on about washing hands rather than giving advice on sleep, nutrition and vit d3/zinc? Why does every household not now have an oximeter with clear instructions of how to use it and when to phone 111? Etc….
You are a loyal representative of a total bloody shambles of a government. And it’s only by a stroke of luck that omicron isn’t going to cause us a problem. A different variant and their crap management of the country would be condemning countless more to a needless death.
Your examples are good ones.
But I'd say why doesn't anyone else think of these things and do something about them.
After all there's no shortage of people with big titles and big pay packets who should be capable of doing so.
Its no good relying on the man at the top if that man is famously weak on details.
Because almost without exception he’s appointed incompetents. And it’s easier for these charlatans to engage in gesture politics like curfews and vaxports than thinking through practical solutions. And they get away with it because foot soldiers like HYUFD are tribalist and care little for making sure the right solutions are implemented.
Truss once supported a republic? And now Truss is a strong supporter of monarchy?
A conveniently adjustable Truss for quick if temporary support.
A potential leader after HYUFD’s own heart.
Though inexplicably he’s backing Sunak.
Sunak has always been a monarchist and backed Leave in 2016 too. Truss is simply had a Damascene conversion to both from being a former Remainer and republican
I guess Javid is reading a little less Ann Rand than he used to.
It seems Gove and Javid will do what civil servants and SAGE want and back more restrictions The rest of the Cabinet led by Sunak, Truss and Rees Mogg and for now it looks like Boris too will ignore them and not impose another lockdown this Christmas
Define lockdown. Would an 8pm hospitality curfew count, or will you be on here supporting that as soon as it is announced?
Played for Citeh and England (ust like last year and next year) ... er ... that's it
The whole SPotY shortlist was daft. As you say, Raheem Sterling was not England's top scorer at Euro 2020 and nor did he feed any starving schoolchildren. SPotY was a strangely all-English affair, and even in a record Olympics year, the BBC's choice of Olympians did not extend past the two also known for appearing on television shows.
Lewis got robbed of the WDC and was therefore dropped from the shortlist. Left them with an all white shortlist. Raheem drafted in. That could have been how it went.
Raducanu isn't white?
Don't get the question. What do you mean?
Your original post implied that Raducanu is white. I’d say she is mixed race.
Ah ok. Yes, she is. But I was more thinking how the panel choosing the shortlist would view it. Could be nonsense what I said. Not sure.
Sounds suspiciously like you were saying Raducanu wasn’t dark enough for your woke quota. By the way Tyson Fury is a gypsy, perhaps the most racially maligned group in the country. But I guess he doesn’t count either.
Oh do stop it. I don't have any quotas and I don't advise on Spoty. The question would be how the Beeb panel were viewing it having at the 11th hour lost Lewis from the shortlist.
Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
Just out of curiosity, I wondered if you had any photos of your garden socials during lockdown that you'd like to share with the Epping Police all your friends on PB?
It was legal to meet others outside in May 2020 and I did, though no garden parties. The photo of course was of the PM and civil servants all at No 10 for work outside
No it wasn't. I met my brother on 2 July 2020, that was the first week it was permitted. I wasn't even allowed to meet my partner until some time in May.
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
We are a democracy and they have a right to Protest peacefully
By denying people access to potentially life-saving treatment?
Are they breaking the law ?
I don’t agree with them or support them But if they are legally protesting then fine,
Aren't we in the process of passing a Bill which criminalises protests which cause "annoyance"?
I believe we are. It’s not law yet though.
Interesting that the bar for an acceptable protest is whether it is legal or not. Does morality not play a part at all?
The protesters believe they are morally in the right.
I was asking what you think, not what these crazed lunatics think.
I’ve said I don’t agree with them. I’m double jabbed plus booster and think vaccines are our way out of this.
You said it was "fine" that they were doing this. Apparently, the only bar for you is that the protest is legal. Doesn't matter what the morality of the issue is at all.
It sounds like Whitty and Vallance are absolutely the drivers for more lockdown from that Telegraph report
IF - and this is a huge IF - it turns out their advice is ignored, and the nation survives, and there aren’t “6,000 deaths a day” or whatever bollox they are predicting, then they must be driven from public life, and forced to live in Wick, in Scotland.
There must be a price to pay for being SOOOOOO wrong. Seriously. If the boffins want to run the place, they must accept there is a cost to being a fucking idiot and getting it all wrong
That is: IF they are wrong
What is wrong with Wick
We have family there
Clearly you haven’t been?
ON OUR WICK ‘We escaped Taliban but hated life in depressing Wick – please don’t send us back to Scotland’, say Afghan refugees Graham Mann 9:00, 9 Dec 2021Updated: 9:41, 9 Dec 2021
AN Afghan refugee who revealed he’d rather risk being beheaded by the Taliban than stay any longer in Wick, Scotland, has fled to London, we can reveal.
Nothing wrong with Wick in that piece other than a lack of Afghani speakers. Which is unsurprising.
Mate, I’ve been to Wick. I went this “summer”, when it was perpetually overcast like a kind of Satanic torture.
Now, I love lots of Scotland, and I can even tolerate the climate, for a while. I am glad this beautiful land is part of Britain
But, Jesus, Wick. Don’t be an eejit. It is horrific. And the buildings are so incredibly ugly and dark. Wick, like other towns in Scotland, is one of the most depressing corners of this green earth. Right up there with the worst parts of the ex Soviet Union, or northern Peru, or Romania in winter. Hideous
I actually find London depressingly grimy and grey! I don't like being there on my own and only really feel comfortable when escorted by my friend (ironically enough he lives not far from you). And as for Wick, chacun a son gout, but I adore the local Old Red Sandstone, and the Pulteneytown fisherfolk quarter is a minor truimph of urban planning:
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 2h SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
===
It's bollx and they know it.
Iain Martin is either being stupid or disingenuous. Its the absolute upper limit of an estimate of a PEAK number i.e. even the bullshit modellers aren't saying 6k deaths a day for a month. They are saying their model says that the very highest level we will see on any one day with be 6k, that's a very different thing.
The fact the band is 600 to 6000 is the totally nonsense element. I might as well ask Brenda from Bristol what she thinks.
Yeah, I'm getting a bit frustrated with the criticism.
I'm model stuff for a living (at a v.basic level, playing with other people's stuff or making my own in R/excel). The most popular scenario is always "what if everything goes wrong" and the baseline we measure the results off is usually very sketchy indeed.
Clickbait media + doomsday scenario + skittish politicians = lockdown
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
We are a democracy and they have a right to Protest peacefully
By denying people access to potentially life-saving treatment?
Are they breaking the law ?
I don’t agree with them or support them But if they are legally protesting then fine,
Aren't we in the process of passing a Bill which criminalises protests which cause "annoyance"?
I believe we are. It’s not law yet though.
Interesting that the bar for an acceptable protest is whether it is legal or not. Does morality not play a part at all?
The protesters believe they are morally in the right.
So did the Nazis and Communists!
These protesters doing what we are discussing here hardly compare to the Holocaust or the Stalin purges. They are booking vaccine appointments and not turning up. Allegedly.
Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
It was against the rules to have socials in gardens. Most of us occasionally had a quick chat at a distance on someone’s doorstep while dropping off food or some other pretext and that was it for social life. I remember how exciting it was when it changed in June(?) to be permissible to sit in someone else’s garden and see people you hasn’t seen for 3 months.
Maybe you were breaking the rules too, but most people really weren’t.
You could have socials in gardens last May even in limited numbers.
Plus those in the photo were at No 10 for government work purposes anyway
Will you please stop using the phrase "last" and specify the actual fucking year? I went months at a time without seeing my family in 2020.
HYUFD, why are you defending this crap? Despite it being abundantly clear the government want to implement another lockdown, your personal red line. And the only thing from stopping them are these photos of the Prime Minister taking the piss out of all of us.
There is no evidence Boris wants another lockdown even if civil servants do
Then why is he sending his Health Secretary out to talk to every knobhead with a camera and mic, about how desperate the situation is and how we might even need a lockdown before Christmas?
If you were right, it would be quite simple. He would have said at his press conference: “when I said our exit from restrictions was irreversible I meant it. Which is why I have asked my team to make any and all preparations deemed necessary to protect against this variant, within the constraint that we will not be returning to restrictions under any circumstance”.
He’s a lazy, thoughtless fuck and so is everyone else in charge. We’re in a trillion pounds of extra debt and two years on. For what? Where’s the surge capacity for infectious diseases? Why isn’t every vulnerable person in the country equipped with FFP3? Where’s the outreach to persuade unvaccinated minority groups? Where is the carrot and stick to price in the cost to the Nhs of being unvaccinated? What’s happening with the anti virals? Why are windows on trains still bloody locked? Where’s the action on ventilation in classrooms? Why is he still noncing on about washing hands rather than giving advice on sleep, nutrition and vit d3/zinc? Why does every household not now have an oximeter with clear instructions of how to use it and when to phone 111? Etc….
You are a loyal representative of a total bloody shambles of a government. And it’s only by a stroke of luck that omicron isn’t going to cause us a problem. A different variant and their crap management of the country would be condemning countless more to a needless death.
Your examples are good ones.
But I'd say why doesn't anyone else think of these things and do something about them.
After all there's no shortage of people with big titles and big pay packets who should be capable of doing so.
Its no good relying on the man at the top if that man is famously weak on details.
Because almost without exception he’s appointed incompetents. And it’s easier for these charlatans to engage in gesture politics like curfews and vaxports than thinking through practical solutions. And they get away with it because foot soldiers like HYUFD are tribalist and care little for making sure the right solutions are implemented.
That’s because Boris removed a lot of the clueful ones in October 2019 - all he’s got left are the incompetents
Telegraph reporting that Johnson is considering an 8pm curfew for hospitality trade.
Bonkers on stilts with bells on.
That’s our New Year’s Eve meal screwed as we were due to eat at 7.45
What are we supposed to do between dinner and midnight mass? Freeze to death?
Um, you are meant to fast before communion? Don't tell me let me guess, you didn't know that because you only do it once a year, as a fashion statement?
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
We are a democracy and they have a right to Protest peacefully
By denying people access to potentially life-saving treatment?
Are they breaking the law ?
I don’t agree with them or support them But if they are legally protesting then fine,
Aren't we in the process of passing a Bill which criminalises protests which cause "annoyance"?
I believe we are. It’s not law yet though.
Interesting that the bar for an acceptable protest is whether it is legal or not. Does morality not play a part at all?
The protesters believe they are morally in the right.
I was asking what you think, not what these crazed lunatics think.
I’ve said I don’t agree with them. I’m double jabbed plus booster and think vaccines are our way out of this.
You said it was "fine" that they were doing this. Apparently, the only bar for you is that the protest is legal. Doesn't matter what the morality of the issue is at all.
This tussle over Christmas is obviously expectation management for full lockdown from the 27th.
We're meant to be grateful for the delay.
Which has already been brought forward from the New Year is the space of a day.
Yes. Indeed. My prediction they would bring in sweeping lockdown from 3rd Jan looks less likely now - Johnson will just about hold the line until midnight on Boxing Day at this rate.
By then we might have more data hopefully showing omi is mild and SAGE are wrong.
Pathetic. They won **** all, and poor Southgate had to acknowledge that.
Daley and Lee should have won that.
The most ridiculous opinion aired on here for quite some time. Bravo.
Why ?
A gallant loser is still a loser.
That's stupid Trump talk.
I go down in a 5 set thriller in the Wimbledon final.
I come 1st in the Hampstead annual crepe tossing contest.
Which is the greater achievement?
They lost, pathetically. On penalties, again. Despite being the better team in terms of talent
England is the home of football, with the world’s greatest football league, and now an embarrassment of young footballing skill
We should be expecting to WIN tournaments - like Germany, France, Italy or Spain - not pitifully grateful for a silver medal
It’s this loser attitude that means we lose. When we ditch this attitude, we win. See various English/British teams in rugby, cricket, golf, Olympic sports etc
On this I have to agree with you. It’s celebrating mediocrity..A gallant loser is still a loser.
It's celebrating a great achievement.
Not my flag but impressed by the England team, who came across as polite and thoughtful young men. A role model for older people, like those that post here
You might even say they had a bit of personality.
Yes, they were a pleasure to support. I do anyway but they made it easy.
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
We are a democracy and they have a right to Protest peacefully
By denying people access to potentially life-saving treatment?
Are they breaking the law ?
I don’t agree with them or support them But if they are legally protesting then fine,
Aren't we in the process of passing a Bill which criminalises protests which cause "annoyance"?
I believe we are. It’s not law yet though.
Interesting that the bar for an acceptable protest is whether it is legal or not. Does morality not play a part at all?
The protesters believe they are morally in the right.
I was asking what you think, not what these crazed lunatics think.
I’ve said I don’t agree with them. I’m double jabbed plus booster and think vaccines are our way out of this.
You said it was "fine" that they were doing this. Apparently, the only bar for you is that the protest is legal. Doesn't matter what the morality of the issue is at all.
Legality is clear and unambiguous.
Morality is a personal matter.
Yeah, and I was asking your personal opinion on it, and you thought it was "fine" that these protestors were denying others access to potentially life saving treatment.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 2h SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
===
It's bollx and they know it.
Iain Martin is either being stupid or disingenuous. Its the absolute upper limit of an estimate of a PEAK number i.e. even the bullshit modellers aren't saying 6k deaths a day for a month. They are saying their model says that the very highest level we will see on any one day with be 6k, that's a very different thing.
The fact the band is 600 to 6000 is the totally nonsense element. I might as well ask Brenda from Bristol what she thinks.
Was she not the one who commented about lockdowns??!!
Truss once supported a republic? And now Truss is a strong supporter of monarchy?
A conveniently adjustable Truss for quick if temporary support.
A potential leader after HYUFD’s own heart.
Though inexplicably he’s backing Sunak.
Sunak has always been a constitutional monarchist and backed Leave in 2016 too. Truss simply had a Damascene conversion to both from being a former Remainer and republican
Oh? How many Tories believe in the Divine Right and absolute monarchy, like the good old days of Henry VIII and the Stuart malignants? Do tell.
This tussle over Christmas is obviously expectation management for full lockdown from the 27th.
We're meant to be grateful for the delay.
Which has already been brought forward from the New Year is the space of a day.
Yes. Indeed. My prediction they would bring in sweeping lockdown from 3rd Jan looks less likely now - Johnson will just about hold the line until midnight on Boxing Day at this rate.
By then we might have more data hopefully showing omi is mild and SAGE are wrong.
A forlorn hope. We already have plenty of data and even here you see people sweep it aside as irrelevant.
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
We are a democracy and they have a right to Protest peacefully
By denying people access to potentially life-saving treatment?
Are they breaking the law ?
I don’t agree with them or support them But if they are legally protesting then fine,
Aren't we in the process of passing a Bill which criminalises protests which cause "annoyance"?
I believe we are. It’s not law yet though.
Interesting that the bar for an acceptable protest is whether it is legal or not. Does morality not play a part at all?
The protesters believe they are morally in the right.
I was asking what you think, not what these crazed lunatics think.
I’ve said I don’t agree with them. I’m double jabbed plus booster and think vaccines are our way out of this.
You said it was "fine" that they were doing this. Apparently, the only bar for you is that the protest is legal. Doesn't matter what the morality of the issue is at all.
Legality is clear and unambiguous.
Morality is a personal matter.
Yeah, and I was asking your personal opinion on it, and you thought it was "fine" that these protestors were denying others access to potentially life saving treatment.
They are making a protest and breaking no law. On that basis I said it was fine and I stand by that. I don’t agree with it. That’s a different matter. ,you either have protest within the law whether or not you agree with it or you simply stamp it out and don’t allow it,
Truss once supported a republic? And now Truss is a strong supporter of monarchy?
A conveniently adjustable Truss for quick if temporary support.
A potential leader after HYUFD’s own heart.
Though inexplicably he’s backing Sunak.
Sunak has always been a constitutional monarchist and backed Leave in 2016 too. Truss simply had a Damascene conversion to both from being a former Remainer and republican
Oh? How many Tories believe in the Divine Right and absolute monarchy, like the good old days of Henry VIII and the Stuart malignants? Do tell.
Even I don't believe in absolute monarchy. Does not change the fact our constitutional monarch is anointed by God
This tussle over Christmas is obviously expectation management for full lockdown from the 27th.
We're meant to be grateful for the delay.
Which has already been brought forward from the New Year is the space of a day.
Yes. Indeed. My prediction they would bring in sweeping lockdown from 3rd Jan looks less likely now - Johnson will just about hold the line until midnight on Boxing Day at this rate.
By then we might have more data hopefully showing omi is mild and SAGE are wrong.
A forlorn hope. We already have plenty of data and even here you see people sweep it aside as irrelevant.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 2h SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
===
It's bollx and they know it.
Iain Martin is either being stupid or disingenuous. Its the absolute upper limit of an estimate of a PEAK number i.e. even the bullshit modellers aren't saying 6k deaths a day for a month. They are saying their model says that the very highest level we will see on any one day with be 6k, that's a very different thing.
The fact the band is 600 to 6000 is the totally nonsense element. I might as well ask Brenda from Bristol what she thinks.
Was she not the one who commented about lockdowns??!!
Truss once supported a republic? And now Truss is a strong supporter of monarchy?
A conveniently adjustable Truss for quick if temporary support.
A potential leader after HYUFD’s own heart.
Though inexplicably he’s backing Sunak.
Sunak has always been a constitutional monarchist and backed Leave in 2016 too. Truss simply had a Damascene conversion to both from being a former Remainer and republican
Oh? How many Tories believe in the Divine Right and absolute monarchy, like the good old days of Henry VIII and the Stuart malignants? Do tell.
Even I don't believe in absolute monarchy. Does not change the fact our constitutional monarch is anointed by God
Telegraph reporting that Johnson is considering an 8pm curfew for hospitality trade.
Bonkers on stilts with bells on.
That’s our New Year’s Eve meal screwed as we were due to eat at 7.45
What are we supposed to do between dinner and midnight mass? Freeze to death?
Um, you are meant to fast before communion? Don't tell me let me guess, you didn't know that because you only do it once a year, as a fashion statement?
Absolutely, got me in one.
I'm a carol loving atheist.
Fine, but you aren't very good at it. How hard is it to spin dinner out till say 11.15 given that midnight mass services tend to start at 1130?
Fuck right off. No wonder Philip is so desperate to say "nothing to see here"
I want Boris out, but this is just pathetic.
"Woman who lives in flat is in her own garden, news at 11"
Fuck off. Get some serious shit, there's enough of it going around.
Indeed, a total non story pushed by leftwingers. Most of us had socials in our garden last spring and summer and most of those in the photo in the No 10 garden with the PM and Carrie were civil servants working there anyway
Just out of curiosity, I wondered if you had any photos of your garden socials during lockdown that you'd like to share with the Epping Police all your friends on PB?
It was legal to meet others outside in May 2020 and I did, though no garden parties. The photo of course was of the PM and civil servants all at No 10 for work outside
No it wasn't. I met my brother on 2 July 2020, that was the first week it was permitted. I wasn't even allowed to meet my partner until some time in May.
Wrong, you could meet another person outside in May 2020 who was not from your household. That was socially, not even for work
Telegraph reporting that Johnson is considering an 8pm curfew for hospitality trade.
Bonkers on stilts with bells on.
That’s our New Year’s Eve meal screwed as we were due to eat at 7.45
What are we supposed to do between dinner and midnight mass? Freeze to death?
Um, you are meant to fast before communion? Don't tell me let me guess, you didn't know that because you only do it once a year, as a fashion statement?
Absolutely, got me in one.
I'm a carol loving atheist.
Fine, but you aren't very good at it. How hard is it to spin dinner out till say 11.15 given that midnight mass services tend to start at 1130?
Telegraph reporting anti vaxxers block booked appointments to stop people getting vaccinated
Now that is something to really make one's blood boil
I am left speechless
We are a democracy and they have a right to Protest peacefully
By denying people access to potentially life-saving treatment?
Are they breaking the law ?
I don’t agree with them or support them But if they are legally protesting then fine,
Aren't we in the process of passing a Bill which criminalises protests which cause "annoyance"?
I believe we are. It’s not law yet though.
Interesting that the bar for an acceptable protest is whether it is legal or not. Does morality not play a part at all?
The protesters believe they are morally in the right.
I was asking what you think, not what these crazed lunatics think.
I’ve said I don’t agree with them. I’m double jabbed plus booster and think vaccines are our way out of this.
You said it was "fine" that they were doing this. Apparently, the only bar for you is that the protest is legal. Doesn't matter what the morality of the issue is at all.
Legality is clear and unambiguous.
Morality is a personal matter.
Yeah, and I was asking your personal opinion on it, and you thought it was "fine" that these protestors were denying others access to potentially life saving treatment.
They are making a protest and breaking no law. On that basis I said it was fine and I stand by that. I don’t agree with it. That’s a different matter. ,you either have protest within the law whether or not you agree with it or you simply stamp it out and don’t allow it,
And as I said earlier there are likely laws/regulations relating to false representation/misinformation that they are breaking when submitting false information to a government authority. Still, you seem to be saying that any protest is okay, so long as it is lawful (and by extension any unlawful protest is wrong). I don't think that's correct. The law isn't the absolute arbiter of what is right and wrong.
Comments
Now, it's possible that the Foreign Secretary can untie the knot that has baffled her predecessors.
But if she can't, that's presumably the end of her career.
God old Boris- when it comes to power games, he's still got it.
They don't seem to think of the imagery if things don't go to plan.
The narrative has certainly changed, now its back to saving Christmas.
https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/is-wick-the-uks-most-dismal-town-106734/
When you are being dissed by the pinnacle of urbanism that is John O Groats, you have a problem
It is their home town and they are proud of it
Though inexplicably he’s backing Sunak.
You said you had lots of garden parties at the same time as the PM did. But then you did muddle 2020 and 2021.
But I'd say why doesn't anyone else think of these things and do something about them.
After all there's no shortage of people with big titles and big pay packets who should be capable of doing so.
Its no good relying on the man at the top if that man is famously weak on details.
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·
1h
Whatever the situation here, the data from SA is now pretty clear.
(runs and hides)
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1472698196128374795?s=20
Maybe the church will let us in early. Room at the inn?
Anyway, I am not trying to re-open Brexit (it's done - move on); I am merely pointing out Truss's flexibility of opinion to suit her career.
@iainmartin1
·
2h
SAGE modelling 6k deaths per day. This doesn't make sense. That's 180k in a month? More in the UK than in the entire crisis. Nothing like that has happened. Scientists/modellers are going to have to start interacting with the real world or public will not believe briefings.
===
It's bollx and they know it.
Go Team Sunak Truss
Also note the unchallenged claim that if England had won it would have been a policing disaster what with the Quote fans unquote being a bunch of utter cocksuckers off their tits on overstrength lager and heavily cut coke. The beautiful game innit.
I suspect the refugee wouldn't fully appreciate the Real Ale.
Nothing better than Rail Ale and Real Ale
We're meant to be grateful for the delay.
And honestly, it's no different to Starmer saying he accepts the referendum result.
The fact the band is 600 to 6000 is the totally nonsense element. I might as well ask Brenda from Bristol what she thinks.
What are the chances that was a direct quote ?
Just a bubble issue
These people have absolutely no idea how ordinary humans actually behave.
We are 2 years into this crisis and they still have no fecking idea what they are talking about.
He did it live on air on Sky, and that is what alerted me to this variant being a major problem. His eyes nearly boggled out of his big round head
https://www.alamy.com/pulteneytown-street-scene-wick-scotland-march-2014-image67811964.html
https://www.wickheritage.org/articles_view.php?id=2409202017075820933
I'm model stuff for a living (at a v.basic level, playing with other people's stuff or making my own in R/excel). The most popular scenario is always "what if everything goes wrong" and the baseline we measure the results off is usually very sketchy indeed.
Clickbait media + doomsday scenario + skittish politicians = lockdown
I'm a carol loving atheist.
"Lord Frost reportedly furious with the terms of his resignation after negotiating them himself."
https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1472492125980082182?s=20
Morality is a personal matter.
By then we might have more data hopefully showing omi is mild and SAGE are wrong.
So no change there then.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/12/19/tackled-sage-covid-modeller-twitter-quite-revelation/
I hear the DUP are even more furious about the terms of his resignation.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1472705770806562820?s=20