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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    .

    And I thought we were besties ... even though you do hobnob with Welsh Tories in the Vale of Glamorgan rather more than I would care to. :)

    Drakeford continues to surprise. Against very strong competition, the closure of the nightclubs on 27th Dec is one of the most nonsensical decisions of the pandemic yet.

    As I am Puritan, of course I believe that the nightclubs should be closed immediately.
    Of course we are besties.

    I am still busy trying to think of ways we can supplement the diminutive Alun's diminutive salary. Any ideas?

    As for Drakey he is transforming into the old lady in the Salem painting.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244

    Stand as a candidate?
    You suggesting a PB whip-round for the deposit ?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,642



    I hope Lib Dems narrowly pull it off and it would be good if there's a by election in e.g. Shrewsbury in the near future where tactical voting could be reciprocated in favour of Labour.

    I think the Lib Dems were always going to struggle to push Labour below 10% whether Labour campaigned or not.
    I apologise if I'm boring people here, but if I was a Salopian I would have voted Tory in 2019 and Lib Dem tonight, because the Lib Dems voted against Plan B. They're bonkers in many other respects, but to be honest that's true of all parties. I wouldn't vote Labour, because Labour voted in favour of Plan B, and indeed have been enthusiastically in favour of any restrictions on freedom since the pandemic started. From a Tory protest point of view the two are not interchangeable.
  • Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall
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    Basically, no-one knows yet
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,321
    Quincel said:

    Funny you mention this, there might be an article coming in the next 48 hours about such a bet...
    If you get BF to list a LD seats market we could even have a bet! I'd settle for a Smarkets market.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,005

    Stand as a candidate?
    You might win though. Then you've got at least 4 years of council meetings to show up to.
  • Lab cling on in Telford 9.4% swing Lab to Con compared to "even Corbyn"

    Sorry BJO. Jeremy who?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    LD gain West Lindsey from Tories big swing Con to LDs
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,005
    Quincel said:

    I'm being pedantic here, but there aren't deposits in local elections are there?
    No. You need to collect 10 signatures from within the council area though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    Green Gain from Tory in Asford

    SKS loses another deposit in 4th

    You are embarrassing yourself tonght BJO. I am not sure I appreciate the competition.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Quincel said:

    You can't do a one-off exit poll, the method works by running it in (mostly) the same places each election and comparing the shift in vote to extrapolate the outcome. So for by-elections you didn't have the data from last time (since the national exit poll doesn't use enough polling stations to give good data for any individual seat).

    In theory party activists could get a sense from the campaign, but my view is that they are generally too emotionally involved and just not good enough at judging the situation from their anecdotal experience.
    Thanks for that insight. 👍🏻

    I am still confident I will become the first Gen Z pm, but I always imagined I wouldn’t be shocked by any of my campaign vote counts, I’d know sure enough on the day before counting began.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    I guess we knew it would be knife-edge.

    Another thing is the sizeable number of mad anti-vaxxy gammony parties standing, even a few votes lost here and there to these fruitcakes could cost the Tories the seat.
  • Pulpstar said:

    No. You need to collect 10 signatures from within the council area though.
    At the moment, only two signatures required
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,005

    At the moment, only two signatures required
    Wat you need is a council election on at the same place & time as a westminster one. Then you can be in the hall as a candidate for the council one whilst eyeing up the westminster trays.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Walsall Lab hold 15.5% swing Lab to Con.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    You are embarrassing yourself tonght BJO. I am not sure I appreciate the competition.
    Actually I think John has a point with this one In last couple of years the Lab to Green switchers in actually elections, right across country not just metropolitan areas, is so massive it’spoint to consider
  • And Greenock is a double-bluff - it is not pronounced "Grennock" but as it reads.
    Correct, although after living in Greenock for more than four years I'm still not sure about the first syllable of Gourock. It seems to vary from a hard g to something gooey.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Sorry BJO. Jeremy who?
    Thorpe?
  • Walsall Lab hold 15.5% swing Lab to Con.

    The counsellor was literally banned from standing
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited December 2021
    Ld 1.78
    Con 2.2
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924
    slade said:

    A Con win in Lichfield. They hold on to a seat there.

    But a very respectable performance by Labour. 40% in an area that is usually moving to the Tories, next to Cannock Chase.
  • If BJO was truly interested in a left wing Government he'd get behind Keir Starmer and or Ed Davey where appropriate but for reasons only known to him he is not.

    I will ask again, what is wrong with Keir Starmer's policies and what don't you like?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821

    Lab cling on in Telford 9.4% swing Lab to Con compared to "even Corbyn"

    Some dispute about those figures.
    I make it virtually no swing since May. 0.1% Con to Lab.
    Nevertheless, with that and Lichfield, the Tories are holding up hugely in that part of the country compared with pretty much everywhere else.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Quincel said:

    I'm being pedantic here, but there aren't deposits in local elections are there?
    Shhh
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924
    Farooq said:

    I don't know Kent at all, but I'm surprised. Should I be?
    It's the middle-class areas of Kent where the Greens are doing well, like Ashford and Tunbridge Wells. Not that surprising.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    .

    Of course we are besties.

    I am still busy trying to think of ways we can supplement the diminutive Alun's diminutive salary. Any ideas?

    As for Drakey he is transforming into the old lady in the Salem painting.
    I live close to the bleak chapel in which Vosper painted Salem :)

    Drakey is an enigma ... I was amazed at @FrankBooth 's revelation earlier on the thread that Drakey was allowed out wearing shorts.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Pulpstar said:

    Wat you need is a council election on at the same place & time as a westminster one. Then you can be in the hall as a candidate for the council one whilst eyeing up the westminster trays.
    You're saying that as soon as an MP resigns we need a team of PB Opposition Researchers to dig up dirt on a local councillor and force their resignation also?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    If BJO was truly interested in a left wing Government he'd get behind Keir Starmer and or Ed Davey where appropriate but for reasons only known to him he is not.

    I will ask again, what is wrong with Keir Starmer's policies and what don't you like?

    SKS has policies?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Andy_JS said:

    I was there earlier today but not sure how you get into the count.
    Hide in a box?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821
    Cookie said:

    I apologise if I'm boring people here, but if I was a Salopian I would have voted Tory in 2019 and Lib Dem tonight, because the Lib Dems voted against Plan B. They're bonkers in many other respects, but to be honest that's true of all parties. I wouldn't vote Labour, because Labour voted in favour of Plan B, and indeed have been enthusiastically in favour of any restrictions on freedom since the pandemic started. From a Tory protest point of view the two are not interchangeable.
    However. There isn't a big constituency of voters opposed to Plan B.
    Let alone cast their vote on the basis.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110

    I live close to the bleak chapel in which Vosper painted Salem :)

    Drakey is an enigma ... I was amazed at @FrankBooth 's revelation earlier on the thread that Drakey was allowed out wearing shorts.
    In November, if I understood correctly.
    He might as well have been daubed in woad.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968



    I hope Lib Dems narrowly pull it off and it would be good if there's a by election in e.g. Shrewsbury in the near future where tactical voting could be reciprocated in favour of Labour.

    I think the Lib Dems were always going to struggle to push Labour below 10% whether Labour campaigned or not.
    Why?

    Surely such things not in Lib Dem gift but in the Labour voters mind?
  • Re: election count observers, is not PB media? Thus eligible for press passes?

    Possible to get designated as observer by a candidate? Perhaps for candidate not too obsessed with actually winning?
  • I guess we knew it would be knife-edge.

    Another thing is the sizeable number of mad anti-vaxxy gammony parties standing, even a few votes lost here and there to these fruitcakes could cost the Tories the seat.

    Do we know it will be knife-edge? Betting odds and various "well placed source" comments made Chesham look tight on the night, but it wasn't actually close.

    I mean, it might well be close, but equally this could yet be several thousand one way or another.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Ld 1.71
    Con 2.36
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Gets worse for SKS the Walsall Lab candidate is disqualified despite winning

    Lab picked a Candidate intelligible to stand and seat remains vacant.

    Useless nonentity party strikes again
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    edited December 2021
    Nigelb said:

    You suggesting a PB whip-round for the deposit ?
    PB Raving Irrelevance Party?

    The Off Topic Alliance
  • If this is a success, this will be the third by-election where there's been clear tactical voting.

    Always been Keir Starmer's secret weapon
  • Gets worse for SKS the Walsall Lab candidate is disqualified despite winning

    Lab picked a Candidate intelligible to stand and seat remains vacant.

    Useless nonentity party strikes again

    Jeremy Corbyn put his confidence in somebody who literally ended up in court and was found guilty, where were you then?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821

    The counsellor was literally banned from standing
    Not offered a sympathetic ear?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Gets worse for SKS the Walsall Lab candidate is disqualified despite winning

    Lab picked a Candidate intelligible to stand and seat remains vacant.

    Useless nonentity party strikes again

    Inelligible that should say.

    Was employed by LA
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited December 2021
    Someone bidding £5k on con at 2.28
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,642

    Correct, although after living in Greenock for more than four years I'm still not sure about the first syllable of Gourock. It seems to vary from a hard g to something gooey.
    I can confidently pronounce Prudhoe, Slaithwaite and Kirkcudbright (Prudder, Slaithwaite and Kirkcoobree), but I always thought Greenock was pronounced Grennock. Every day's a school day.

    Similarly, when I livedin Beeston, everyone knew Southwell was pronounced Suthull. But then I played rugby against Southwell, and it turns out in Southwell grey pronounce Southwell as Southwell. Only in Nottingham - where I hope I don't sound pejorative in describing the accent as 'lazy' is it pronounced Suthull.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244

    PB Raving Irrelevance Party?

    That might give the game away.
    Monster Raving Psephologists ?

  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited December 2021
    Not sure that follows…
  • Gets worse for SKS the Walsall Lab candidate is disqualified despite winning

    Lab picked a Candidate intelligible to stand and seat remains vacant.

    Useless nonentity party strikes again

    That's embarrassing for Walsall Labour if true. But, in all honesty, what sort of vetting role do you think any party leader or the higher echelons of any party have in the process of verifying the eligibility of local Council election candidates?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    The counsellor was literally banned from standing
    Yet useless Lab picked her anyway.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    Actually I think John has a point with this one In last couple of years the Lab to Green switchers in actually elections, right across country not just metropolitan areas, is so massive it’spoint to consider
    It all depends on how much Green voters want to see a Conservative Government at the next GE. If they don't maybe they should consider holding their nose and vote Labour or LD.

    I do understand your concern.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924

    Gets worse for SKS the Walsall Lab candidate is disqualified despite winning

    Lab picked a Candidate intelligible to stand and seat remains vacant.

    Useless nonentity party strikes again

    I thought you were a Labour supporter?
  • Yet useless Lab picked her anyway.
    Corbyn stitched up a GE candidacy to go to a person convicted in court and then gave her a glowing reference.

    Where were you then?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110

    Corbyn stitched up a GE candidacy to go to a person convicted in court and then gave her a glowing reference.

    Where were you then?
    Voting Tory, if his earlier posts are to be believed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244
    Andy_JS said:

    I thought you were a Labour supporter?
    Faction over party.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,466
    has the turnout been announced yet?
  • Cookie said:


    I can confidently pronounce Prudhoe, Slaithwaite and Kirkcudbright (Prudder, Slaithwaite and Kirkcoobree), but I always thought Greenock was pronounced Grennock. Every day's a school day.

    Think that was how one of the blokes who did the classified scores for years pronounced it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Farooq said:

    No, a Corbyn cultist. Now engaged in pointless and low quality internecine sniping.
    vive La difference! It gives the world colour?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    Andy_JS said:

    I thought you were a Labour supporter?
    Oh Jere... Boris Johnson from earlier posts.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    If BJO was truly interested in a left wing Government he'd get behind Keir Starmer and or Ed Davey where appropriate but for reasons only known to him he is not.

    I will ask again, what is wrong with Keir Starmer's policies and what don't you like?

    Why do you keep asking the same question.

    I have answered that about 10 times.

    Starmer won as the unity candidate.

    He had 10 pledges he has broken them all.

    He lied to become leader and has put factional interests above unity.

    Last time we discussed this you said you knew his pledges were lies and you are glad he is attacking certain party members.

    That makes you and SKS my Political enemy Comrade!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,642
    dixiedean said:

    However. There isn't a big constituency of voters opposed to Plan B.
    Let alone cast their vote on the basis.
    No, fair enough.
    There's a wider constituency of voters who more generally think the government is being too pro-lockdown. The Lib Dem record would look good to such a constituency - though the LDs make so little of itmost voters wouldn't notice.
    How big a constituency is the "government is being too heavy handed" bloc? I don't know. It can just be me and the wife though I fully accept it's not a universally held position.
    The point is though that Lab and LDs aren't interchangeable.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,005
    Green observer reckons the yellow peril might have done it
  • Why do you keep asking the same question.

    I have answered that about 10 times.

    Starmer won as the unity candidate.

    He had 10 pledges he has broken them all.

    He lied to become leader and has put factional interests above unity.

    Last time we discussed this you said you knew his pledges were lies and you are glad he is attacking certain party members.

    That makes you and SKS my Political enemy Comrade!
    Good
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924
    Sky News's by-election special programme has just started.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,642
    Cookie said:

    No, fair enough.
    There's a wider constituency of voters who more generally think the government is being too pro-lockdown. The Lib Dem record would look good to such a constituency - though the LDs make so little of itmost voters wouldn't notice.
    How big a constituency is the "government is being too heavy handed" bloc? I don't know. It can just be me and the wife though I fully accept it's not a universally held position.
    The point is though that Lab and LDs aren't interchangeable.
    *CAN'T* just be me and the wife.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924

    has the turnout been announced yet?

    No. Probably still be at least an hour.
  • vive La difference! It gives the world colour?
    They lead to Tory Governments, Labour is useless out of power.

    "There was only one tradition I hated - and that was losing" - Tony Blair
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Good
    Well exactly stop asking stupid questions
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,642

    Think that was how one of the blokes who did the classified scores for years pronounced it.
    Yes it was - and to be honest I don't think I've heard the word 'Greenock' outside of that context. Although I'm sure Greenock in the context of football is a neologism- when I was growing up I'm sure they were plain old 'Morton'.
  • Well exactly stop asking stupid questions
    Don't claim you're a Labour voter or supporter, when you're not
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,138
    Another Con hold in Argyll and Bute
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    ping said:

    Someone bidding £5k on con at 2.28

    So that sort of thing is Futures traders by day, with money to burn on shit and giggles late evening, and that’s basically what’s driving this thing you are looking at, that produces “Labour have buggered this up” to “Boris is toast” metromically in here until the actual result is announced. That’s how staying up for these things work?

    I am not knocking the excitement, but I am getting very drunk
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    The difference between the Corbyn cultists and actual Labour supporters is that the latter want a Labour Government that wins elections

    Well they have f****ed it with SKS as leader.
    Lab only wins when it is a party of the centre left. You will find out in 2024 how many on the left aren't prepared to support it anymore.
  • So that sort of thing is Futures traders by day, with money to burn on shit and giggles late evening, and that’s basically what’s driving this thing you are looking at, that produces “Labour have buggered this up” to “Boris is toast” metromically in here until the actual result is announced. That’s how staying up for these things work?

    I am not knocking the excitement, but I am getting very drunk
    You also no idea what other bets they have, they might be laying off all sorts of other action.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,642
    Nigelb said:

    That might give the game away.
    Monster Raving Psephologists ?

    Brilliant. I wouldhappily chip in a tenner towards the deposit were someone to stand under that label.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,476

    They lead to Tory Governments, Labour is useless out of power.

    "There was only one tradition I hated - and that was losing" - Tony Blair
    Purity is more important than winning

    IKAAAAAAAAAARA!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    They lead to Tory Governments, Labour is useless out of power.

    "There was only one tradition I hated - and that was losing" - Tony Blair
    Then why did he join the wrong party 😆
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    JBriskin3 said:

    SKS has policies?
    He won't need any if Johnson has been snapped scoffing pizza in May 2020.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    Purity is more important than winning

    IKAAAAAAAAAARA!
    Go on then Malmsy, you have to explain the Kara thing. Did you favourite film character oft exclaim it 🙂
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924
    We could be waiting for a result at 7 in the morning if it's in recount territory.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Cookie said:

    No, fair enough.
    There's a wider constituency of voters who more generally think the government is being too pro-lockdown. The Lib Dem record would look good to such a constituency - though the LDs make so little of itmost voters wouldn't notice.
    How big a constituency is the "government is being too heavy handed" bloc? I don't know. It can just be me and the wife though I fully accept it's not a universally held position.
    The point is though that Lab and LDs aren't interchangeable.
    Sure, the LibDem candidate will tell you that the LibDems are against the Government being heavy-handed and they don't want lockdowns.

    And your neighbour across the road, the one who is immuno-suppressed & critically vulnerable.

    Why there, the LibDem candidate will say how important it is that we are all very careful and of course a lockdown is needed to prevent the spread of Omicron.

    That is how LibDem canvassing works.

    I expect the LibDems will win North Shropshire.
  • Well they have f****ed it with SKS as leader.
    Lab only wins when it is a party of the centre left. You will find out in 2024 how many on the left aren't prepared to support it anymore.
    Labour is currently 9 points ahead of the Tories.

    Keir Starmer is currently the most popular Labour leader since Tony Blair.

    The reason you hate these men is because they try to win elections. And that is why Blair is the most hated of them all, because he won three times.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Don't claim you're a Labour voter or supporter, when you're not
    I think it's pretty obvious I am currently not.

    I am any Party not led by Starmer.

    FYI.As recently as May 2021 I was a Labour voter, supporter,CLP Executive Officer, Labour Election Agent.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821
    Cookie said:

    No, fair enough.
    There's a wider constituency of voters who more generally think the government is being too pro-lockdown. The Lib Dem record would look good to such a constituency - though the LDs make so little of itmost voters wouldn't notice.
    How big a constituency is the "government is being too heavy handed" bloc? I don't know. It can just be me and the wife though I fully accept it's not a universally held position.
    The point is though that Lab and LDs aren't interchangeable.
    Fair response.
    I'm sure it is a small percentage. But one to whom the issue is of the utmost salience.
    And if you are one of them then LD and Labour are far from similar when casting your vote. That is true.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    You also no idea what other bets they have, they might be laying off all sorts of other action.
    These cheeky so and so’s are toying with us? People will literally cry by the end of the night.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited December 2021

    Then why did he join the wrong party 😆
    Tony Blair never lost a GE when the party was led by him
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Labour is currently 9 points ahead of the Tories.

    Keir Starmer is currently the most popular Labour leader since Tony Blair.

    The reason you hate these men is because they try to win elections. And that is why Blair is the most hated of them all, because he won three times.
    I voted for Blair twice I will never vote for SKS.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821
    Cookie said:

    Yes it was - and to be honest I don't think I've heard the word 'Greenock' outside of that context. Although I'm sure Greenock in the context of football is a neologism- when I was growing up I'm sure they were plain old 'Morton'.
    They were. But only briefly. They changed back to what they'd been for most of their history.
    See also Leyton Orient. They were Orient when I was growing up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924
    It's difficult to believe Hartlepool was only 7 months ago. A complete change in Johnson's fortunes.
  • Andy_JS said:

    It's difficult to believe Hartlepool was only 7 months ago. A complete change in Johnson's fortunes.

    I said so at the time, it would not last - and that was the peak
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    Andy_JS said:

    It's difficult to believe Hartlepool was only 7 months ago. A complete change in Johnson's fortunes.

    Was it @Ishmael_Z who at the time suggested Hartlepool was peak Johnson?
  • Jim Pickard
    @PickardJE
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    ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    I voted for Blair twice I will never vote for SKS.
    Are you Paul Gambacinni?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    Good
    So it’s war!

    Tune in to PB for all unrivalled coverage of this war. The best analysis, graphics, charts, statistical comparisons of the war against the result of Oxford v Cambridge cricket match 1904, and irreverent references to soccer moms. If this war happens, we will have it all.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,241
    JBriskin3 said:

    PBers might be able to wangle a press pass?
    Very doable. Your average returning officer has little clue about online media but PB's readership, compared with (say) the Shropshire Star, should make a fairly compelling case.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924
    "12:16am
    ALL VOTES ARE NOW IN.

    We're back after a quick stroll around the count and there are a lot of worried faces/happy faces*.

    *delete as applicable. "

    https://www.bordercountiesadvertizer.co.uk/news/19788472.live-blog-north-shropshire-by-election/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821
    Andy_JS said:

    It's difficult to believe Hartlepool was only 7 months ago. A complete change in Johnson's fortunes.

    Indeed. This reminds me of the period after the 1992 election. The downward drift of the Tories didn't begin with Black Wednesday. And of Brown after the none GE.
    It has been like a snowball decline. Small and almost imperceptible since June, but gathering pace. Difficult to see anything obvious which will stop it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Was it @Ishmael_Z who at the time suggested Hartlepool was peak Johnson?
    Sure was

    I wonder what's become of that Boris balloon
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