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Personally - I think a bit more "equality of outcome" as opposed to "equality of opportunity" wouldn't go amiss.kinabalu said:
Yep, very good point, that's key to the whole 'inequality' debate and a big obstacle to doing anything serious about reducing it. Because the hard fact is, you can't remove barriers in the way of the disadvantaged without making the passage through life of the advantaged more onerous. All is relative. The words "disadvantaged" and "advantaged" have no meaning otherwise. They mean "compared to". They have to mean that. I'd also throw something else into the pot - in addition to the "giving my children the best possible start in life" business which you highlight - and that's the tendency of 'ordinary' people, rather than resenting or disliking privilege, to think, "Good on them, perhaps one day that can be me, or my kids." Grrr.Fysics_Teacher said:
You also run up against one of the most powerful instincts of all: the need to make sure that your offspring succeed though whatever help you can give them. Any policy that seems to reduce the ability of people to help their children do better is not going to go down well, which is why IHT is so unpopular.kinabalu said:
It's also human nature to think we deserve it. This, imo, is one of the major handicaps the left in politics faces. That the biggest single determinant in life outcome is birth circumstances, this is true but a hard sell. It's not romantic. It's not nice to think about. And furthermore for most individual successes, the person owes a massive amount to luck and to other things/people, as opposed to their own 'merit'. Eg the bank trader using the firm's settlement and accounting processes, IT, balance sheet etc will nevertheless think HE has made the money. It's total bollox. But it's a necessary mental piece of falsethink for self esteem and justification. You see this all the time. The truth, the cold collectivist deterministic truth, is not palatable, therefore people reject it, protect the status quo, vote Conservative. This is why Labour don't win many elections - and why when they do they need to make it count.Sean_F said:
We are attached to privilege but not just in this country.kinabalu said:
Well that would be positive discrimination - and I think I'd agree with it too. So, ok, you bridle at "quotas" and the like, but you can get behind positive discrimination where you see a real problem. Therefore it's a matter of where you see these real problems. Maybe that's restricted to 'too few men in primary teaching' but I'd be surprised if this were the case. I mean, there's so many high status arenas where women and/or certain minorities and/or working class people are underrepresented. There really is no doubt about that. It's simply a matter of do we wish to address it and if so how. My suspicion is that the answers are (i) not really and (ii) n/a. I think we're oddly attached to privilege in this country. We quite like it, including many of those who don't have it. We find it a comfortable notion.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kinabalu, apologies, I missed your reply before.
I'm not in favour of limiting recruitment by sex. Because of the particular nature of primary school teachers (often providing parental figures for those either lacking one or both parents or as a better version if said parents are rather bad examples) and the heavily slanted sex composition of schoolteachers I would like to see a recruitment drive for male teachers to increase the numbers. I would not advocate either all-male shortlists or some sort of quota, however.
When we gain a coveted position, most of us take the view that "God has given us the Papacy, let us enjoy it."1 -
Yeah well some PBers (me) are actually on UC.TheScreamingEagles said:FWIW I've mentioned that a friend of mine works for a Job Centre Plus (one that trialled the rollout of UC)
She's said 95% of their queries relate to the UC uplift cut as people are suffering from and are about to suffer financial hardship.
So much so that the DWP ministers have added a 'The £20 uplift' option on the journal entry option.
It isn't much fun.0 -
He really does upset you and yet he is polling near 40% and leads his rival as best PMIanB2 said:
The news will doubtless be full of the clown assuring everybody that we can rely upon him to save Christmas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will be climate change and Christmas and HMQ maybe (but genuinely hope not)RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Sounds as if someone is on a lone mission to ramp up his hope of winning a bet with somebody
Maybe you need to be more constructive and put forward policies people could vote for and see him lose office0 -
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.0 -
It's what Boris does.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Notice/create a problem.
Dither.
Avoid acting to solve it for so long that there's a painful gap between the problem and the solution.
Great politics- solving a problem makes you a hero, preempt a problem and nobody cares.
But it's rubbish leadership.2 -
Biden took 85 cars to see the Pope. Quite the warm-up for COP 26.
More important than handshake or kneel.0 -
Ah, ok. Well I'll chip in now then! Euston is a hellhole. Wind sweeps across the concrete (even if it's not windy), people on their uppers huddle and hustle around, tattoos and shell suits galore, emaciated girls with bruises and no tights, commuters who all look either pissed up or pissed off, absolutely nobody wanting to be there, or if they do it's for lack of an alternative. I love it.Carnyx said:
It was a discussion of trains and rail travel which explored, amongst much else, the way in which Euston has become run down in the anticipation of HS2- one of us remarked that the bogs were abominable by global standards (I forget whom alas). And, remarkably, Leon discovering his current residence is featured in one of the Bourne prints showing the devastation the navvies building the original railway wrought up through Camden and Primrose Hill - the Chesham of their day, evidently.kinabalu said:
Oh I missed that. Was there a quality convo about public toilets? Pity, I could have added serious value there, I reckon.Carnyx said:
I wonder who gets Euston bogs? (following the discussion yesterday).kinabalu said:
Yeah, and what about 'smug affluent middle-class PBtory bloke' shortlists for cleaning the bogs at London Bridge station?Malmesbury said:
What about women-only shortlists for.... custodial sentences?kinabalu said:
Would you like to see that?Morris_Dancer said:I await to see the male-only shortlists for primary school teachers.
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Perhaps. But I think it was a good move by Sunak anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.0 -
There is a £500 million fund given to LA's to ameliorate the issue until the new scheme comes in on 1 December at the latest.JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.0 -
I dont know , plenty of CEO's I have come across adopt that very strategy - and think they are wonderful at leadership in their egotistical waysStuartinromford said:
It's what Boris does.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Notice/create a problem.
Dither.
Avoid acting to solve it for so long that there's a painful gap between the problem and the solution.
Great politics- solving a problem makes you a hero, preempt a problem and nobody cares.
But it's rubbish leadership.0 -
Gloomy Christmas if we get the King addressing us at 3 o clockIanB2 said:
The news will doubtless be full of the clown assuring everybody that we can rely upon him to save Christmas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will be climate change and Christmas and HMQ maybe (but genuinely hope not)RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Sounds as if someone is on a lone mission to ramp up his hope of winning a bet with somebody0 -
That's the Secret Service though?dixiedean said:Biden took 85 cars to see the Pope. Quite the warm-up for COP 26.
More important than handshake or kneel.
Because of the way things work, the Secret Service doesn't work for Biden, they work for Congress, who set the parameters for protection.0 -
More likely their 6.6% pay riseFoxy said:
They might when their deductions start in April.RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it0 -
Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.0
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But that's bugger all.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a £500 million fund given to LA's to ameliorate the issue until the new scheme comes in on 1 December at the latest.JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
The UC uplift cost £6 billion per year, so every £1 cut only 8p is being covered by that fund.1 -
JBriskin3 said:
Personally - I think a bit more "equality of outcome" as opposed to "equality of opportunity" wouldn't go amiss.kinabalu said:
Yep, very good point, that's key to the whole 'inequality' debate and a big obstacle to doing anything serious about reducing it. Because the hard fact is, you can't remove barriers in the way of the disadvantaged without making the passage through life of the advantaged more onerous. All is relative. The words "disadvantaged" and "advantaged" have no meaning otherwise. They mean "compared to". They have to mean that. I'd also throw something else into the pot - in addition to the "giving my children the best possible start in life" business which you highlight - and that's the tendency of 'ordinary' people, rather than resenting or disliking privilege, to think, "Good on them, perhaps one day that can be me, or my kids." Grrr.Fysics_Teacher said:
You also run up against one of the most powerful instincts of all: the need to make sure that your offspring succeed though whatever help you can give them. Any policy that seems to reduce the ability of people to help their children do better is not going to go down well, which is why IHT is so unpopular.kinabalu said:
It's also human nature to think we deserve it. This, imo, is one of the major handicaps the left in politics faces. That the biggest single determinant in life outcome is birth circumstances, this is true but a hard sell. It's not romantic. It's not nice to think about. And furthermore for most individual successes, the person owes a massive amount to luck and to other things/people, as opposed to their own 'merit'. Eg the bank trader using the firm's settlement and accounting processes, IT, balance sheet etc will nevertheless think HE has made the money. It's total bollox. But it's a necessary mental piece of falsethink for self esteem and justification. You see this all the time. The truth, the cold collectivist deterministic truth, is not palatable, therefore people reject it, protect the status quo, vote Conservative. This is why Labour don't win many elections - and why when they do they need to make it count.Sean_F said:
We are attached to privilege but not just in this country.kinabalu said:
Well that would be positive discrimination - and I think I'd agree with it too. So, ok, you bridle at "quotas" and the like, but you can get behind positive discrimination where you see a real problem. Therefore it's a matter of where you see these real problems. Maybe that's restricted to 'too few men in primary teaching' but I'd be surprised if this were the case. I mean, there's so many high status arenas where women and/or certain minorities and/or working class people are underrepresented. There really is no doubt about that. It's simply a matter of do we wish to address it and if so how. My suspicion is that the answers are (i) not really and (ii) n/a. I think we're oddly attached to privilege in this country. We quite like it, including many of those who don't have it. We find it a comfortable notion.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kinabalu, apologies, I missed your reply before.
I'm not in favour of limiting recruitment by sex. Because of the particular nature of primary school teachers (often providing parental figures for those either lacking one or both parents or as a better version if said parents are rather bad examples) and the heavily slanted sex composition of schoolteachers I would like to see a recruitment drive for male teachers to increase the numbers. I would not advocate either all-male shortlists or some sort of quota, however.
When we gain a coveted position, most of us take the view that "God has given us the Papacy, let us enjoy it."
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You called me a liar earlier. A bit late to be precious about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If that’s true? Are you calling me a liar?Philip_Thompson said:
If that's true I hope your friend gets better soon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No just concerned about a virus that kills people and has put one my friends in hospital.Philip_Thompson said:
Have a coffee, you seem to be drunk and hysterical.CorrectHorseBattery said:Plan B now. In a few weeks I think we will regret not taking action now.
But that's not an excuse for "Plan B" or restrictions.
People getting sick isn't a reason to lock the country down, its the reason we have hospitals in the first place.1 -
The Tory wankfest has returned0
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What do you think the inflation rate and the NI increase will do to that pay rise?Big_G_NorthWales said:
More likely their 6.6% pay riseFoxy said:
They might when their deductions start in April.RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it0 -
Our tax boffins tell me that the cost of the alcohol tax changes would have covered 60% of the UC uplift.1
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.0 -
What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?0
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I said if somebody has legitimate reasons for being exempt that's different, otherwise it's laziness or lying about being exempt. I wear a mask, if you don't have a legitimate reason on TfL services at least you're breaking the rules and that's on youLostPassword said:
You called me a liar earlier. A bit late to be precious about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If that’s true? Are you calling me a liar?Philip_Thompson said:
If that's true I hope your friend gets better soon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No just concerned about a virus that kills people and has put one my friends in hospital.Philip_Thompson said:
Have a coffee, you seem to be drunk and hysterical.CorrectHorseBattery said:Plan B now. In a few weeks I think we will regret not taking action now.
But that's not an excuse for "Plan B" or restrictions.
People getting sick isn't a reason to lock the country down, its the reason we have hospitals in the first place.0 -
It helps the worse effected and 2 million will see the UC cut reversed from 1st DecemberTheScreamingEagles said:
But that's bugger all.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a £500 million fund given to LA's to ameliorate the issue until the new scheme comes in on 1 December at the latest.JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
The UC uplift cost £6 billion per year, so every £1 cut only 8p is being covered by that fund.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridgestate_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
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If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy0
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Yeah, it'll be lockdown with all fun things postponed.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
This from 2017 gives a good indicator.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge0 -
Far more get the new NI surcharge than get paid the minimum wage. Add in 4% inflation and that payrise is trivial for the workers that get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More likely their 6.6% pay riseFoxy said:
They might when their deductions start in April.RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
The pensioners won't be bothered of course.0 -
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.0 -
Do you have a citation for that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It helps the worse effected and 2 million will see the UC cut reversed from 1st DecemberTheScreamingEagles said:
But that's bugger all.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a £500 million fund given to LA's to ameliorate the issue until the new scheme comes in on 1 December at the latest.JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
The UC uplift cost £6 billion per year, so every £1 cut only 8p is being covered by that fund.0 -
Are you able to spot the flaw in your logic there?Philip_Thompson said:TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.1 -
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
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No.JBriskin3 said:
Are you able to spot the flaw in your logic there?Philip_Thompson said:TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
Full employment is an economics term, it doesn't mean literally every single person is employed.1 -
Not liking something is not a good reason to not wear a mask, when it is a requirement of travelling on those surfaces and it protects those around you. You and that lot are selfish and I have no sympathy for you at all.state_go_away said:
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
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The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.1 -
Why did Biden need to tell people he was speaking English? Does he normally speak a different language?williamglenn said:Biden meets Macron:
@ABC
"What happened was, to use an English phrase, what we did was clumsy," Pres. Biden says during meeting with French Pres. Macron about the recent U.S. snub of France for nuclear submarine technology in favor of Australia.
"France is an extremely, extremely valued partner."
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/14541352510564474911 -
I don't think he's looking for your sympathy though.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Not liking something is not a good reason to not wear a mask, when it is a requirement of travelling on those surfaces and it protects those around you. You and that lot are selfish and I have no sympathy for you at all.state_go_away said:
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
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Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?0 -
Some from the prosecution made the point that he isn't here to give his side of the story...Foxy said:
Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?0 -
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.0 -
I'm well aware that's it's an economic term meaning 5pc.Philip_Thompson said:
No.JBriskin3 said:
Are you able to spot the flaw in your logic there?Philip_Thompson said:TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
Full employment is an economics term, it doesn't mean literally every single person is employed.
However it is not so disconnected from the real world.
My gaps on my CV are massive so it is not so easy for me to get a job "they can get a job" just isn't true.0 -
Good because he's not getting it.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think he's looking for your sympathy though.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Not liking something is not a good reason to not wear a mask, when it is a requirement of travelling on those surfaces and it protects those around you. You and that lot are selfish and I have no sympathy for you at all.state_go_away said:
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
If you want to not wear a mask and break the rules then that's up to you - but then I bet you lot will be the first to throw the book when somebody does something wrong0 -
She did stab him three times including once when he was on the phone saying he had been wounded!Foxy said:
Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?0 -
Thats good then and fair play to not going OTT .kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.0 -
I very much doubt it. It would always be too much for many people, but I cannot see the media underdoing it for Her Majesty because of the DoE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
Cynically, a lot of the material will already have been prepared and why waste it?0 -
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.1 -
My understanding is that he converted because he had been given assurances by the Bishop of Rome that beatification was on the cards, and that there'd be no need to wait for that whole "death" thing first.JBriskin3 said:
Blair is also a Catholic nowadays for the record.Farooq said:
Biden met Blair?JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??0 -
kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
No one denies she did the stabbing.state_go_away said:
She did stab him three times including once when he was on the phone saying he had been wounded!Foxy said:
Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?0 -
Absolutely no reason to keep the uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:Our tax boffins tell me that the cost of the alcohol tax changes would have covered 60% of the UC uplift.
Even if 100% of the uplift could be kept, that entire 100% should go on reducing the taper instead.
That'd leave those working for a living even better off than they were with the uplift - and the poverty trap addressed so that the unemployed will be better off if they work.0 -
It is only my suspicion, I wouldn't plan for me being right. On anything really.state_go_away said:
Thats good then and fair play to not going OTT .kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.0 -
That was simply the warm-up act. London Bridge is going to be like nothing any of us have seen before, even those few who remember 1952.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.2 -
Pensioners are at 3.1% but I am grateful for any rise in these timesFoxy said:
Far more get the new NI surcharge than get paid the minimum wage. Add in 4% inflation and that payrise is trivial for the workers that get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More likely their 6.6% pay riseFoxy said:
They might when their deductions start in April.RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
The pensioners won't be bothered of course.0 -
It's going to be 1997 on speed.Sandpit said:
That was simply the warm-up act. London Bridge is going to be like nothing any of us have seen before, even those few who remember 1952.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
I'll think I'll take a foreign holiday for a month or so when London Bridge falls.0 -
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.1 -
if anything it shows how lockdown is bad for people . A fact often forgot when people only count covid deaths as if that all that matters or indeed when wanting people trussed up in masks forever in some kind of non social interaction hellFoxy said:kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
No one denies she did the stabbing.state_go_away said:
She did stab him three times including once when he was on the phone saying he had been wounded!Foxy said:
Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?0 -
It will be the Duke plus Diana, squared. It is a known fact that 93% of British people have had dreams about the Queen coming to tea. They don't dream that about Phil or Di.kle4 said:
I very much doubt it. It would always be too much for many people, but I cannot see the media underdoing it for Her Majesty because of the DoE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
Cynically, a lot of the material will already have been prepared and why waste it?0 -
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.2 -
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You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.1 -
At least he didn't say, "To use an English phrase, it was a faux pas."rcs1000 said:
Why did Biden need to tell people he was speaking English? Does he normally speak a different language?williamglenn said:Biden meets Macron:
@ABC
"What happened was, to use an English phrase, what we did was clumsy," Pres. Biden says during meeting with French Pres. Macron about the recent U.S. snub of France for nuclear submarine technology in favor of Australia.
"France is an extremely, extremely valued partner."
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/14541352510564474919 -
I suggest you read up on things like the Employment and Support Allowance which is being phased into Universal Credit before making ignorant comments like that.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.1 -
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.0 -
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.1 -
Of course they don't like them! Masks are horrible things, and I'll throw a party when I get to burn mine.state_go_away said:
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
But given the way that Covid accumulates in enclosed spaces with lots of people (and remember that probably the most dangerous job on a deaths per hour of work was bus driver), it's common courtesy to wear them on crowded public transport. Just as it's common courtesy to cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze.3 -
Yeah. That's not a good look.state_go_away said:
She did stab him three times including once when he was on the phone saying he had been wounded!Foxy said:
Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?1 -
Catholic leaders have rarely let the Catholic part overrule the second part.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.0 -
Yes. Those who have suffered the most in the budget are those who cannot, for whatever reason, work, or work few hours and can't increase them. They have been well and truly shafted. They don't benefit from the UC taper, their benefits are far too low, and they are going to really struggle with the rises in the cost of energy, food etc. and inflation generally.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
If I were a cynic, I'd suggest that the government knows this full well. They also know that this poorest 10% either don't vote or don't vote Tory if they do.3 -
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"0 -
That's the view of my friend.Northern_Al said:
Yes. Those who have suffered the most in the budget are those who cannot, for whatever reason, work, or work few hours and can't increase them. They have been well and truly shafted. They don't benefit from the UC taper, their benefits are far too low, and they are going to really struggle with the rises in the cost of energy, food etc. and inflation generally.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
If I were a cynic, I'd suggest that the government knows this full well. They also know that this poorest 10% either don't vote or don't vote Tory if they do.1 -
Yes and the ESA element if you have a limited capability for work is at a different rate to the generic UC for anyone else.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suggest you read up on things like the Employment and Support Allowance which is being phased into Universal Credit before making ignorant comments like that.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
So if you wish for that to be raise higher then that's an argument to be made, but there's absolutely no reason to do so for everyone else who already get a lower rate than that.0 -
Given covid is no more fatal than flu at the moment (1 in 50 has it this week but only about 200 deaths ) then did you wear one pre covid because flu has always been here? time to move on and stop obsessing about it - just doing my bit for thatrcs1000 said:
Of course they don't like them! Masks are horrible things, and I'll throw a party when I get to burn mine.state_go_away said:
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
But given the way that Covid accumulates in enclosed spaces with lots of people (and remember that probably the most dangerous job on a deaths per hour of work was bus driver), it's common courtesy to wear them on crowded public transport. Just as it's common courtesy to cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze.1 -
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.0 -
They cost less than a dollar each. Basically free.Anabobazina said:
Your daily reminder that mandating masks in public spaces is not no cost.rkrkrk said:
Basically agree, but plan B has a mix of stuff in there, some of which I'm not sure about.CorrectHorseBattery said:Plan B now. In a few weeks I think we will regret not taking action now.
We should definitely do all the low/no-cost stuff: bring back facemasks for public spaces/transit/buildings, encourage WFH. We should also be doing better ventilation in schools, workplaces. We could update the symptom guidelines which are out of date. We could be sorting out sick pay for people isolating.
Basically throw everything cheap and easy at this. Then hope it's enough.0 -
So no substance, just the French are butt-hurt.kle4 said:
Jean, that's what you say in the phone call, not the official letter. Do people just not even care about claiming the moral high ground anymore? That's actually a positive development.williamglenn said:French PM Jean Castex has sent a letter to Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission’s president, to notify her of Paris’ planned reprisals against the UK in the fish war. Castex asks for support because the EU needs to show ‘leaving the Union is more damaging than remaining in it’.
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/status/1454110348005490693
If it was not already clear it surely is now. France in not an ally of the UK.0 -
Not to the planet.rkrkrk said:
They cost less than a dollar each. Basically free.Anabobazina said:
Your daily reminder that mandating masks in public spaces is not no cost.rkrkrk said:
Basically agree, but plan B has a mix of stuff in there, some of which I'm not sure about.CorrectHorseBattery said:Plan B now. In a few weeks I think we will regret not taking action now.
We should definitely do all the low/no-cost stuff: bring back facemasks for public spaces/transit/buildings, encourage WFH. We should also be doing better ventilation in schools, workplaces. We could update the symptom guidelines which are out of date. We could be sorting out sick pay for people isolating.
Basically throw everything cheap and easy at this. Then hope it's enough.0 -
The financial cost is not the only cost. 🙄rkrkrk said:
They cost less than a dollar each. Basically free.Anabobazina said:
Your daily reminder that mandating masks in public spaces is not no cost.rkrkrk said:
Basically agree, but plan B has a mix of stuff in there, some of which I'm not sure about.CorrectHorseBattery said:Plan B now. In a few weeks I think we will regret not taking action now.
We should definitely do all the low/no-cost stuff: bring back facemasks for public spaces/transit/buildings, encourage WFH. We should also be doing better ventilation in schools, workplaces. We could update the symptom guidelines which are out of date. We could be sorting out sick pay for people isolating.
Basically throw everything cheap and easy at this. Then hope it's enough.1 -
Cool - thanks for the advice. To be honest suicide is a way out of my predicament but please don't tell anyone about that otherwise I'll have Police Scotland knocking my door.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.0 -
The fact that his estranged daughter said that he was the one being abused seems to have played a big part in this. I know of two men who were severely abused by their wives and it is quite a common occurance. One we worked with on the rigs in Norway. He would regularly come back to the rig black and blue and would claim it was because he was always getting into pub brawls. It was only after his wife made such a concerted attack on him that she fractured his skull that we found out she used to beat the shit out of him and he was too embarrassed to tell anyone.Foxy said:
Yes, I see that the jury didn't believe her defence (by 10 to 2) but I suspect that we haven't heard the end of it.tlg86 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-deathFoxy said:Penelope Jackson case is an interesting one. I wonder if it will become a cause celebre over alleged coercive control and domestic violence. It does sound as if the jury didn't believe it.
But addressing the court, David Jackson’s estranged daughter from a former marriage, Jane Calverley, accused Penelope Jackson of being the abuser in the relationship and suggested she had “taken advantage” of a culture that does not support male victims of domestic abuse.
“My father was a proud man and this consequently cost him his life. He would not seek help from someone bullying, berating and psychologically controlling him because he would have viewed that as a man he should not be experiencing this and felt shame,” she said.
What sort of evidence would be required to prove it by either party?1 -
Some people are physically and/or mentally incapable of work. They really are. They're not malingerers. Indeed many may have worked for years or decades before becoming incapable of work. But shit happens. The fact you don't care is not an appealing trait.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.7 -
I’m really sorry to hear of your circs. Genuinely there are places to get help with gaining employment. And have you thought of volunteering in the interim? Apologies if this comes across patronising, but please ask for help.JBriskin3 said:
Cool - thanks for the advice. To be honest suicide is a way out of my predicament but please don't tell anyone about that otherwise I'll have Police Scotland knocking my door.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.3 -
That's a little misleading, don't you think? The people most likely to have Covid right now are in the 5 to 15 age range, and they're highly unlikely to die of it. (Which, by the way, is great as it means it'll run through this cohort, and then remove a major vector of transmission.)state_go_away said:
Given covid is no more fatal than flu at the moment (1 in 50 has it this week but only about 200 deaths ) then did you wear one pre covid because flu has always been here? time to move on and stop obsessing about it - just doing my bit for thatrcs1000 said:
Of course they don't like them! Masks are horrible things, and I'll throw a party when I get to burn mine.state_go_away said:
i was on the tube and DLR yesterday and did not wear a mask and neither did about 60% . People really dont like themCorrectHorseBattery said:If you can't be bothered to wear a mask then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you tbh, on TfL services it is required and part of the conditions of carriage, so unless you're legitimately exempt, then I stand by calling people either liars or lazy
But given the way that Covid accumulates in enclosed spaces with lots of people (and remember that probably the most dangerous job on a deaths per hour of work was bus driver), it's common courtesy to wear them on crowded public transport. Just as it's common courtesy to cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze.
The people I'm with on the tube are highly likely to be a lot older, and therefore to have a much higher CFR.
I think wearing a mask in settings where there is substantially higher risk that I'll infect other people is common courtesy. It's not something I'd legally require (and if the tube wasn't busy I probably wouldn't worry), but I do try to avoid causing pain and suffering to my fellow man as a general rule, even if it involves some small discomfort for a 20 minute tube ride.0 -
I'm quite OK with there being a higher rate for those who legitimately can't work and have been demonstrated that they can't - and that already happens. There is a higher rate for those with limited capabilities to work in the existing system.Northern_Al said:
Some people are physically and/or mentally incapable of work. They really are. They're not malingerers. Indeed many may have worked for years or decades before becoming incapable of work. But shit happens. The fact you don't care is not an appealing trait.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
For anyone else, they should be given the support to get back to work.
I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to uplift someone who is able to work's rate, if they're not bothering to work. Do you?2 -
My Psychiatrist is organising Occupational Therapy for me.turbotubbs said:
I’m really sorry to hear of your circs. Genuinely there are places to get help with gaining employment. And have you thought of volunteering in the interim? Apologies if this comes across patronising, but please ask for help.JBriskin3 said:
Cool - thanks for the advice. To be honest suicide is a way out of my predicament but please don't tell anyone about that otherwise I'll have Police Scotland knocking my door.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.1 -
If I met anyone who genuinely believed he was God’s representative on earth I think I would probably laugh. I mean, being polite, I would try not to, but seriously.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.1 -
Help and support is available for you if you need that.JBriskin3 said:
Cool - thanks for the advice. To be honest suicide is a way out of my predicament but please don't tell anyone about that otherwise I'll have Police Scotland knocking my door.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.
Perhaps try the Samaritans or any other organisations near you and see what help you can get if you need it?0 -
Well, at least you've backed down from your previous statements: If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one, and: If anyone isn't working, they can get a job.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm quite OK with there being a higher rate for those who legitimately can't work and have been demonstrated that they can't - and that already happens. There is a higher rate for those with limited capabilities to work in the existing system.Northern_Al said:
Some people are physically and/or mentally incapable of work. They really are. They're not malingerers. Indeed many may have worked for years or decades before becoming incapable of work. But shit happens. The fact you don't care is not an appealing trait.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
For anyone else, they should be given the support to get back to work.
I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to uplift someone who is able to work's rate, if they're not bothering to work. Do you?2 -
Catholicism is the most believed religion in the world.DavidL said:
If I met anyone who genuinely believed he was God’s representative on earth I think I would probably laugh. I mean, being polite, I would try not to, but seriously.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.0 -
Same mistake though that Pontious Pilate (no idea how you spell it ) made tDavidL said:
If I met anyone who genuinely believed he was God’s representative on earth I think I would probably laugh. I mean, being polite, I would try not to, but seriously.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.0 -
Evening all
As always, throwing phrases like "full employment" round is misleading and often belies a simplistic approach to complex issues.
The question isn't that there are plenty of jobs but what kind of jobs, where and how much they are paying. There are acute shortages in some professions in key areas - we know that. It's the epitome of the square peg and the round hole - those available for work and the jobs available for them to do.
It is also a problem at the lowest end of the labour market where the jobs are often unpleasant and repetitive and still not well paid. It's also a problem in some professions where the lack of suitably-qualified people means a buyers' market where individuals can quickly move up the salary ladder leaving those companies and organisations which can't or won't pay the new "going rate" in trouble.
It is these shortages in key professional and skilled areas which drive up wage and price inflation not the old chestnut of why we can't find anyone to clean the toilets (for example).
The "answer" which is straight out of the Tony Blair handbook is to raise the skill level of the native population - that works up to a point but this is why the immigration of the skilled and the professional is always welcomed and supported.
The trouble is, the jobs at the lowest end are still going begging or at least until AI so we are told.
Finally, commiserations to those who backed the Conservatives in Carlisle last evening. If you've another tenner to spend on a long-range lost cause, I'll offer DELTA WORK in the Champion Chase at Down Royal tomorrow afternoon.2 -
JBriskin3 said:
Cool - thanks for the advice. To be honest suicide is a way out of my predicament but please don't tell anyone about that otherwise I'll have Police Scotland knocking my door.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.
Two possibilities here. One is that this is an appalling comment you should be ashamed of. The other is FFS speak to someone, anyone, and get the help and support you need.JBriskin3 said:
Cool - thanks for the advice. To be honest suicide is a way out of my predicament but please don't tell anyone about that otherwise I'll have Police Scotland knocking my door.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then keep trying until you find an employer who is willing to stomach it. Many companies are doing so deliberately right now.JBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
If you've given up I see no reason the state should pay you not to be looking though.
If it’s the latter you have my very best wishes and prayers, seriously.5 -
Everyone should be given support to get back to work.Philip_Thompson said:
For anyone else, they should be given the support to get back to work.Northern_Al said:
Some people are physically and/or mentally incapable of work. They really are. They're not malingerers. Indeed many may have worked for years or decades before becoming incapable of work. But shit happens. The fact you don't care is not an appealing trait.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
However, this sector has been butchered over 11 years. Replaced with hectoring, threats and sanctions. And professional specialists employed by the DWP replaced by grant farming unqualified chancers.
A labour shortage is what you sow for a decade of total disregard of, and contempt for basic employment skills training.
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I see Ms Dick of the Yard is wanting to add to doom and gloom (as if covid is not enough ) by saying Londoners shoudl be "alert " to a terrorist threat this Christmas . I mean is this really necessary ? You know, make people thing they could be blown up /shot or stabbed as they go Christmas Shopping - for no reason- because lets face it how alert do you have to be to avoid a terrorist attack? - you just need to be lucky or not unlucky . The police and intelligence service should be alert , shoppers not so unless we really want to live in a society where everything causes anxiety due to needing to be "alert"4
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The lesson ought to have been, wall to wall on one channel, something else to watch on the others.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
Whether they are bright enough to have worked that out is another matter1 -
state_go_away said:
Same mistake though that Pontious Pilate (no idea how you spell it ) made tDavidL said:
If I met anyone who genuinely believed he was God’s representative on earth I think I would probably laugh. I mean, being polite, I would try not to, but seriously.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.
That’s what you get for listening to Mick Jagger.state_go_away said:
Same mistake though that Pontious Pilate (no idea how you spell it ) made tDavidL said:
If I met anyone who genuinely believed he was God’s representative on earth I think I would probably laugh. I mean, being polite, I would try not to, but seriously.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.0 -
If DELTA WORK runs at anything like the speed that Delta spreads, it looks like a good bet.stodge said:Evening all
As always, throwing phrases like "full employment" round is misleading and often belies a simplistic approach to complex issues.
The question isn't that there are plenty of jobs but what kind of jobs, where and how much they are paying. There are acute shortages in some professions in key areas - we know that. It's the epitome of the square peg and the round hole - those available for work and the jobs available for them to do.
It is also a problem at the lowest end of the labour market where the jobs are often unpleasant and repetitive and still not well paid. It's also a problem in some professions where the lack of suitably-qualified people means a buyers' market where individuals can quickly move up the salary ladder leaving those companies and organisations which can't or won't pay the new "going rate" in trouble.
It is these shortages in key professional and skilled areas which drive up wage and price inflation not the old chestnut of why we can't find anyone to clean the toilets (for example).
The "answer" which is straight out of the Tony Blair handbook is to raise the skill level of the native population - that works up to a point but this is why the immigration of the skilled and the professional is always welcomed and supported.
The trouble is, the jobs at the lowest end are still going begging or at least until AI so we are told.
Finally, commiserations to those who backed the Conservatives in Carlisle last evening. If you've another tenner to spend on a long-range lost cause, I'll offer DELTA WORK in the Champion Chase at Down Royal tomorrow afternoon.1 -
Nice of the French to confirm what Remainers once tried to deny
“French PM Jean Castex has sent a letter to Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission’s president, to notify her of Paris’ planned reprisals against the UK in the fish war. Castex asks for support because the EU needs to show ‘leaving the Union is more damaging than remaining in it’.”
https://twitter.com/barnes_joe/status/1454110348005490693?s=212 -
You should see the gaps on *my* CVJBriskin3 said:
Well the gaps on my CV are too great for potential employers to stomach.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's great demand right now for labour up and down the country.JBriskin3 said:
You keep using this "full employment" term but don't seem understand the laws of supply and demand.Philip_Thompson said:
Then they should work. 🤷♂️TheScreamingEagles said:
Except, I'll state this again, UC isn't just a de facto unemployment benefit, it merged things for people who cannot work/work more hours.Philip_Thompson said:
By my back of the fag paper maths, anyone working full time will be directly better off with the taper cut than they were with the £20 uplift.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they'll compare it to the income of the previous 18 out 19 months rather than the last one?JBriskin3 said:
The cut in UC took effect in October so it will go up compared to their November income.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not compared to their September/October incomes.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t the reduced UC taper come in by 1st December? An awful lot of people will see more cash in their pay packets before Christmas, thanks to Santa Sunak.RobD said:
No, just that for the vast majority of people it will not be on their radar in several weeks. Let’s see if it’s still headline news at the start of December.stodge said:
Are you saying the whole point of the Budget was just to achieve a temporary increase in the Conservative Party's poll rating?RobD said:
In a few weeks no one will be talking about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The last budget was popular on day one.
YouGov is the start. In a few weeks it will be unpopular and Tories will pretend they never agreed with it
Silly me - I thought it was meant to be a significant speech outlining the economic direction of the country.
Indirectly they'll be much better off due to the easing of the poverty trap.
If anyone isn't working, they can get a job. We have full employment.
The taper relief makes no impact for them.
We have full employment and the ability to work from home. If you want more money then work for it.
If anyone doesn't have a job, now is the time to go and get one - and the government has just rightly cut the tax on getting one.
That's better than a handout. Keep more of your own money you work for instead.
Until that changes I'll be unemployed during a period of "full employment"
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Probably a bit of FOMO though if the Channel head of the one that is excused from having to mourn gets jealous of his or her more mournful colleagues.IanB2 said:
The lesson ought to have been, wall to wall on one channel, something else to watch on the others.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
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To call her a dick is a deep insult to millions of well meaning prats and fools who might otherwise suffer that epithet.state_go_away said:I see Ms Dick of the Yard is wanting to add to doom and gloom (as if covid is not enough ) by saying Londoners shoudl be "alert " to a terrorist threat this Christmas . I mean is this really necessary ? You know, make people thing they could be blown up /shot or stabbed as they go Christmas Shopping - for no reason- because lets face it how alert do you have to be to avoid a terrorist attack? - you just need to be lucky or not unlucky . The police and intelligence service should be alert , shoppers not so unless we really want to live in a society where everything causes anxiety due to needing to be "alert"
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Not sure this tete a tete is a vindication of LEAVE given these arguments naturally occur between rival organisations/countries or people- Its the act of leaving and pitting ourselves against France that causes it not the fact that the French are wrong or evil or petty .Since the year dot rivals have arguments and seek revenge .Leon said:Nice of the French to confirm what Remainers once tried to deny
“French PM Jean Castex has sent a letter to Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission’s president, to notify her of Paris’ planned reprisals against the UK in the fish war. Castex asks for support because the EU needs to show ‘leaving the Union is more damaging than remaining in it’.”
https://twitter.com/barnes_joe/status/1454110348005490693?s=210
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