Starmer’s successor looks set to be one of these three – politicalbetting.com
Forget current betting favourite and twice leadership failure Andy Burnham the next party leader will surely come from the above trio who have all come to the fore in the past month.
If Starmer goes mid Parliament it is hard to see anyone but his Shadow Chancellor Reeves replacing him. She is competent, intelligent as an Oxford educated former economist and capable in the Commons as she showed on Wednesday and reasonably centrist.
Remember too the last time a Leader of the Opposition was replaced before being allowed to fight a general election, IDS in 2003, he was replaced by his Shadow Chancellor, Michael Howard. However Howard got 32.4% in 2005 which was little different to what the Tories were polling under IDS anyway. I don't think Reeves would really make much difference to Starmer to be honest, both are on the centrist wing of Labour and both tried to overturn Brexit by backing a Peoples' Vote. Similarly IDS and Howard were very much on the same spectrum on the Eurosceptic right of the Tory party.
If Labour lose the next general election and Burnham is elected as an MP again then he will be a contender for Labour leader, having opposed a second referendum on Brexit and not being too close to Corbyn, until then I agree he is out of the picture
I doubt Starmer will go before the election unless the polling turns from the poor to the catastrophic again. I don't see him having the humility or self-awareness that decision would need.
As for the replacements, each might do a better job, but does any of them have the Blair touch which has been needed to win an election against the Conservatives over the last 40 years? I'm not sure.
To be honest, an all woman shortlist might be the only way Labour elects a female leader. And even then I'm not convinced that they wouldn't mess it up!
To be honest, an all woman shortlist might be the only way Labour elects a female leader. And even then I'm not convinced that they wouldn't mess it up!
Unfortunately such shortlists are unbelievably and outrageously sexist and tokenism rarely produces the best outcomes.
I doubt Starmer will go before the election unless the polling turns from the poor to the catastrophic again. I don't see him having the humility or self-awareness that decision would need.
As for the replacements, each might do a better job, but does any of them have the Blair touch which has been needed to win an election against the Conservatives over the last 40 years? I'm not sure.
Labour can win without a Blairite leader. However it would probably rely on Welsh and Scottish votes ie the way they used to get in pre Blair as Harold Wilson won narrowly in 1964 and won most seats in Feb 1974 with the backing of Scottish and Welsh MPs despite Home and Heath winning majorities in England.
To win in England again though and get a majority rather than hung parliament and absent a recovery in Scotland then yes Labour would likely need a Blairite leader again. Blair being the only Labour leader ever to have won more than 1 majority in England
If Starmer goes mid Parliament it is hard to see anyone but his Shadow Chancellor Reeves replacing him. She is competent, intelligent as an Oxford educated former economist and capable in the Commons as she showed on Wednesday and reasonably centrist.
Remember too the last time a Leader of the Opposition was replaced before being allowed to fight a general election, IDS in 2003, he was replaced by his Shadow Chancellor, Michael Howard. However Howard got 32.4% in 2005 which was little different to what the Tories were polling under IDS anyway. I don't think Reeves would really make much difference to Starmer to be honest, both are on the centrist wing of Labour and both tried to overturn Brexit by backing a Peoples' Vote. Similarly IDS and Howard were very much on the same spectrum on the Eurosceptic right of the Tory party.
If Labour lose the next general election and Burnham is elected as an MP again then he will be a contender for Labour leader, having opposed a second referendum on Brexit and not being too close to Corbyn, until then I agree he is out of the picture
I’m not even sure he wants the job and, in any event, he has morphed into Mr North and would have to reinvent himself again to pitch for national leader.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
There is a statistical difference between the YouGov opinion polls and the others.
The difference is that YouGov have Labour 3% lower, and the Greens 3% higher, based on October polls.
The other pollster which have a significant difference is Redfield & Wilton Strategies which have Labour and the Lib Dems around 2% higher than the others (taking into account YouGov's adjustment).
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
In most jobs, incompetence is absolute, whereas in politics it is merely relative.
Actually watched QT last night. Yes, Phillipson was good, but her opposition was dire. Lucy Frazer repeated slogans, and the Dragon's Den lady wasn't politically coherent (not her job). Bridget was largely backed up by 2 extremely knowledgeable panellists. She really couldn't help but look good.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
Estelle Morris.
And Kevin Keegan of course.
"At the end of the day, at this level, I'm just a bit short."
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
Estelle Morris.
And she was probably fine as far as it went. Education secretaries seem to be loathed universally by the teaching profession, and that must be discouraging.
A few months ago it was de rigueur to bemoan the paucity of talent in the Labour shadow cabinet and wonder at the lack of alternatives to Starmer.
My suggestion is that this is evidence that Starmer's repair job to the Labour party is working, but it still has some way to go. It's possible that in another couple of years he will have developed a strong shadow cabinet that begins to look like a credible government-in-waiting.
Maybe they could go for a Jacinda-style shortcut and successfully swap leaders before the next election, but I think that the task of winning a Labour majority is so large that it would be a mistake.
The best Labour can credibly hope for is for Starmer to play a Michael Howard role of steadying the ship after the Corbyn debacle, chip away at the landslide majority of the government, and develop a stronger next generation so the next leader has more to work with.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
Estelle Morris.
To be fair to Estelle Morris she had been a teacher in an inner city comp in Coventry for years before becoming an MP, becoming Head of Sixth Form.
Yes she may not have been up to moving from junior minister to Cabinet level and she had the strength to admit it to herself and resign but I doubt many of her Cabinet colleagues would have been able to control a class of rowdy teenagers as she used to do either
None of them give the impression of being the next Tony:
Prime Minister after the election: 2019 Tory 2017 Tory 2015 Tory 2010 Tory 2005 Tony 2001 Tony 1997 Tony 1992 Tory 1987 Tory 1983 Tory 1979 Tory 1974 LABOUR!
Bridget Phillipson has taken a while to come to prominence, but she is still young despite being in parliament since 2010.
There was a cluster of women representing north east seats who entered parliament back then. I remember thinking at the time that they were well placed to make an impression.
If the next Labour leadership election comes after the GE, then Phillipson will be a real contender. If Starmer quits early, Reeves is in the box seat.
I am not criticising batch cooking, it is a great idea that works for many. Can the people who say all ready meals are bad explain what is bad about the dishes I have linked to? Open to persuasion here but simply proclaiming something does not make it true.
To me they look fine, especially as a base for 2 meals with some fresh ingredients and a pork chop.
Look a little pricey, for what they are, though.
Adding half of a corn on the cob from the freezer would enhance nicely.
None of them give the impression of being the next Tony:
Prime Minister after the election: 2019 Tory 2017 Tory 2015 Tory 2010 Tory 2005 Tony 2001 Tony 1997 Tony 1992 Tory 1987 Tory 1983 Tory 1979 Tory 1974 LABOUR!
And even in 1974 as I said earlier Wilson never won a majority in England, it was Scottish and Welsh Labour MPs who put him in No 10.
Starmer may well rely on the SNP and Welsh Labour MPs therefore to get to power
I doubt Starmer will go before the election unless the polling turns from the poor to the catastrophic again. I don't see him having the humility or self-awareness that decision would need.
As for the replacements, each might do a better job, but does any of them have the Blair touch which has been needed to win an election against the Conservatives over the last 40 years? I'm not sure.
Labour can win without a Blairite leader. However it would probably rely on Welsh and Scottish votes ie the way they used to get in pre Blair as Harold Wilson won narrowly in 1964 and won most seats in Feb 1974 with the backing of Scottish and Welsh MPs despite Home and Heath winning majorities in England.
To win in England again though and get a majority rather than hung parliament and absent a recovery in Scotland then yes Labour would likely need a Blairite leader again. Blair being the only Labour leader ever to have won more than 1 majority in England
Not sure a Blairite leader would make much difference unless that's just code for a politician with the big persona and top top communication skills of your actual Tony Blair.
A few months ago it was de rigueur to bemoan the paucity of talent in the Labour shadow cabinet and wonder at the lack of alternatives to Starmer.
My suggestion is that this is evidence that Starmer's repair job to the Labour party is working, but it still has some way to go. It's possible that in another couple of years he will have developed a strong shadow cabinet that begins to look like a credible government-in-waiting.
Maybe they could go for a Jacinda-style shortcut and successfully swap leaders before the next election, but I think that the task of winning a Labour majority is so large that it would be a mistake.
The best Labour can credibly hope for is for Starmer to play a Michael Howard role of steadying the ship after the Corbyn debacle, chip away at the landslide majority of the government, and develop a stronger next generation so the next leader has more to work with.
Yes, it's interesting isn't it? Reeves is now a star, apparently - though she's been around a good while. Phillipson's rise is even more spectacular - from 'never heard of her' to 'star in the making' within a couple of days. And our very own HYUFD rates Thomas-Symonds highly, though he is yet to make enough of an impression for my liking.
Weighing up the three great offices of state we have Sunak, Patel and Truss vs. Reeves, Thomas-Symonds and Nandy. I know which threesome (please don't misinterpret) I'd go for.
Nandy is too lightweight, and Phillipson is still largely untested. I agree Reeves is the real deal and should now be the favourite.
Meanwhile, I was pleased to see that Rayner has finally apologised for Toryscumgate. Shame it took actual threats for her to see why her comments were unhelpful, but at least she's learning.
Labour poll lead nailed on by the end of the year, Keir's job is working and he is doing it well, quietly in the background. Best Labour leader since Blair
I doubt Starmer will go before the election unless the polling turns from the poor to the catastrophic again. I don't see him having the humility or self-awareness that decision would need.
As for the replacements, each might do a better job, but does any of them have the Blair touch which has been needed to win an election against the Conservatives over the last 40 years? I'm not sure.
Labour can win without a Blairite leader. However it would probably rely on Welsh and Scottish votes ie the way they used to get in pre Blair as Harold Wilson won narrowly in 1964 and won most seats in Feb 1974 with the backing of Scottish and Welsh MPs despite Home and Heath winning majorities in England.
To win in England again though and get a majority rather than hung parliament and absent a recovery in Scotland then yes Labour would likely need a Blairite leader again. Blair being the only Labour leader ever to have won more than 1 majority in England
Not sure a Blairite leader would make much difference unless that's just code for a politician with the big persona and top top communication skills of your actual Tony Blair.
Yes, I meant a Blair-like political genius, not his politics, which were pretty standard and utterly unoriginal.
Labour poll lead nailed on by the end of the year, Keir's job is working and he is doing it well, quietly in the background. Best Labour leader since Blair
I've got 57 squillion quid on that. Thanks for the tip.
Labour poll lead nailed on by the end of the year, Keir's job is working and he is doing it well, quietly in the background. Best Labour leader since Blair
I've got 57 squillion quid on that. Thanks for the tip.
143 for Bangladesh to beat the WIndies. A much better performance with the bat by the Carribean team, than they could muster against England last week.
I am not criticising batch cooking, it is a great idea that works for many. Can the people who say all ready meals are bad explain what is bad about the dishes I have linked to? Open to persuasion here but simply proclaiming something does not make it true.
To me they look fine, especially as a base for 2 meals with some fresh ingredients and a pork chop.
Look a little pricey, for what they are, though.
Adding half of a corn on the cob from the freezer would enhance nicely.
Thanks. On the price depends how you look at it.
£3.50, little planning and no cooking time vs say £1 for ingredients plus ensuring have a constant wide variety of fresh ingredients plus 10-30 mins per meal.
For me, that amount of extra cash is irrelevant vs the time. For others it will be different.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Of the three, Phillipson looks to have the toughest re-election campaign. If Starmer reaches the point where he decided to walk away before the next election then it’s possible she’ll be too busy working to hold her seat to be able to commit the time needed to run for leadership.
Don't think Rachel Reeves trounced Boris at PMQ's on Wednesday as Labour were represented by Ed Milliband. He shouted a lot but really just reminded us why Cameron beat him in 2015. Reeves gave a competent response to the budget but anyone could have done better than Annaliese Dodds' lamentable effort last year. Reeves has the handicap of having a terrible voice.
I could see that. Non-identical obviously, but sibling level.
Good to see the thread kicked off with such incisive political analysis
They could split the fringe vote
Or something hair raising could bob up.
I would rule Phillipson our for the next contest as too junior.
I wouldn't rule out Rosena or Jess either. Angela is also a fighter and the scum comment not so much a problem with the party selectorate.
I don't think it sexist that they are all women, I just don't see any male rivals with the same calibre.
Fine of course if that's the reason, unlike say Biden's VP pick.
But Labour's wokeness means there will always be a question mark over them.
I think it is the other way around. Labour have never selected a female leader, there should be question marks about whether the men were really the best options or whether the selectorate was biased.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the next contest there's three women (maybe the three named) who lose to one man who's stood for it.
UK is heading towards the 100,000 new cases/day mark, with the proportion of those double vaxxed now up to 29%. Probably more than one on fifth of us has covid right now. Numbers in ICU up 15% from last week. Recent cases are still mostly children although the 35-55 age group is now also on the rise. Some signs that the overall increases are starting to level off.
Our hopsitalisation rate is higher than most European countries, confirming the picture of the case statistics that the UK is now doing relatively poorly. Our double Vac rate is now middle of the pack. In Romania and Latvia hospitals are heading toward being overwhelmed by admissions. He suggests Portugal is doing the best and may soon achieve herd immunity.
He thinks ZOE is picking up more edge cases than the government confirmed data. Personally I wonder about the likely bias in people completing Zoe which surely by now leans toward the symptomatic?
He concedes that the greater restrictions in Scotland and Wales don’t seem to be making any difference to their data.
About 2 million a week are becoming eligible for boosters, and the booster programme isn’t keeping up.
I could see that. Non-identical obviously, but sibling level.
Good to see the thread kicked off with such incisive political analysis
They could split the fringe vote
Or something hair raising could bob up.
I would rule Phillipson our for the next contest as too junior.
I wouldn't rule out Rosena or Jess either. Angela is also a fighter and the scum comment not so much a problem with the party selectorate.
I don't think it sexist that they are all women, I just don't see any male rivals with the same calibre.
Fine of course if that's the reason, unlike say Biden's VP pick.
But Labour's wokeness means there will always be a question mark over them.
I think it is the other way around. Labour have never selected a female leader, there should be question marks about whether the men were really the best options or whether the selectorate was biased.
They chose Corbyn and Burnham ahead of Cooper. There are no question marks there.
UK is heading towards the 100,000 new cases/day mark, with the proportion of those double vaxxed now up to 29%. Probably more than one on fifth of us has covid right now. Numbers in ICU up 15% from last week. Recent cases are still mostly children although the 35-55 age group is now also on the rise. Some signs that the overall increases are starting to level off.
Our hopsitalisation rate is higher than most European countries, confirming the picture of the case statistics that the UK is now doing relatively poorly. Our double Vac rate is now middle of the pack. In Romania and Latvia hospitals are heading toward being overwhelmed by admissions. He suggests Portugal is doing the best and may soon achieve herd immunity.
He thinks ZOE is picking up more edge cases than the government confirmed data. Personally I wonder about the likely bias in people completing Zoe which surely by now leans toward the symptomatic?
He concedes that the greater restrictions in Scotland and Wales don’t seem to be making any difference to their data.
About 2 million a week are becoming eligible for boosters, and the booster programme isn’t keeping up.
Don't think Rachel Reeves trounced Boris at PMQ's on Wednesday as Labour were represented by Ed Milliband. He shouted a lot but really just reminded us why Cameron beat him in 2015. Reeves gave a competent response to the budget but anyone could have done better than Annaliese Dodds' lamentable effort last year. Reeves has the handicap of having a terrible voice.
I'm old enough to remember the time Starmer was viewed as nailed on in terms of com petence, leadership, electability..... On this site they go through potential Labour leaders like they're going out of fashion..oh hold on.. I see.....
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the next contest there's three women (maybe the three named) who lose to one man who's stood for it.
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Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Finally an admission from the right that status quo/traditional selection processes dont automatically pick the best person for the job. Hope that will be remembered for the next positive discrimination discussions, the Labour Party is a great example to use.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
Not just a spokeswoman: she was the Secretary of State for Education (or whatever the department was called at the time).
UK is heading towards the 100,000 new cases/day mark, with the proportion of those double vaxxed now up to 29%. Probably more than one on fifth of us has covid right now. Numbers in ICU up 15% from last week. Recent cases are still mostly children although the 35-55 age group is now also on the rise. Some signs that the overall increases are starting to level off.
Our hopsitalisation rate is higher than most European countries, confirming the picture of the case statistics that the UK is now doing relatively poorly. Our double Vac rate is now middle of the pack. In Romania and Latvia hospitals are heading toward being overwhelmed by admissions. He suggests Portugal is doing the best and may soon achieve herd immunity.
He thinks ZOE is picking up more edge cases than the government confirmed data. Personally I wonder about the likely bias in people completing Zoe which surely by now leans toward the symptomatic?
He concedes that the greater restrictions in Scotland and Wales don’t seem to be making any difference to their data.
About 2 million a week are becoming eligible for boosters, and the booster programme isn’t keeping up.
Apart from that, how does he think it's going?
The booster program is just above an average of 300K per day. It seems to be in a pattern of start low on Monday Sunday (reported) and build towards the next weekend.
Actually watched QT last night. Yes, Phillipson was good, but her opposition was dire. Lucy Frazer repeated slogans, and the Dragon's Den lady wasn't politically coherent (not her job). Bridget was largely backed up by 2 extremely knowledgeable panellists. She really couldn't help but look good.
That was a remarkably wise choice, considering that the alternative way of spending your evening was finding out that next to no-one who has ever f**ked SeanT is willing to give it a second go…even for money.
I am not criticising batch cooking, it is a great idea that works for many. Can the people who say all ready meals are bad explain what is bad about the dishes I have linked to? Open to persuasion here but simply proclaiming something does not make it true.
To me they look fine, especially as a base for 2 meals with some fresh ingredients and a pork chop.
Look a little pricey, for what they are, though.
Adding half of a corn on the cob from the freezer would enhance nicely.
Thanks. On the price depends how you look at it.
£3.50, little planning and no cooking time vs say £1 for ingredients plus ensuring have a constant wide variety of fresh ingredients plus 10-30 mins per meal.
For me, that amount of extra cash is irrelevant vs the time. For others it will be different.
Looking at random at the Teriyaki chicken noodles. Too much sugar. Too few calories. 391 kcal is not a main meal. And 27g is not "high protein" you should be aiming to eat a gram per kilo of bodyweight and most people will get most of that in their main meal.
If Starmer goes mid Parliament it is hard to see anyone but his Shadow Chancellor Reeves replacing him. She is competent, intelligent as an Oxford educated former economist and capable in the Commons as she showed on Wednesday and reasonably centrist.
Remember too the last time a Leader of the Opposition was replaced before being allowed to fight a general election, IDS in 2003, he was replaced by his Shadow Chancellor, Michael Howard. However Howard got 32.4% in 2005 which was little different to what the Tories were polling under IDS anyway. I don't think Reeves would really make much difference to Starmer to be honest, both are on the centrist wing of Labour and both tried to overturn Brexit by backing a Peoples' Vote. Similarly IDS and Howard were very much on the same spectrum on the Eurosceptic right of the Tory party.
If Labour lose the next general election and Burnham is elected as an MP again then he will be a contender for Labour leader, having opposed a second referendum on Brexit and not being too close to Corbyn, until then I agree he is out of the picture
I’m not even sure he wants the job and, in any event, he has morphed into Mr North and would have to reinvent himself again to pitch for national leader.
Would Starmer permit Burnham to stand as prospective MP in any constituency, given that Burnham would represent an obvious challenger to his leadership?
UK is heading towards the 100,000 new cases/day mark, with the proportion of those double vaxxed now up to 29%. Probably more than one on fifth of us has covid right now. Numbers in ICU up 15% from last week. Recent cases are still mostly children although the 35-55 age group is now also on the rise. Some signs that the overall increases are starting to level off.
Our hopsitalisation rate is higher than most European countries, confirming the picture of the case statistics that the UK is now doing relatively poorly. Our double Vac rate is now middle of the pack. In Romania and Latvia hospitals are heading toward being overwhelmed by admissions. He suggests Portugal is doing the best and may soon achieve herd immunity.
He thinks ZOE is picking up more edge cases than the government confirmed data. Personally I wonder about the likely bias in people completing Zoe which surely by now leans toward the symptomatic?
He concedes that the greater restrictions in Scotland and Wales don’t seem to be making any difference to their data.
About 2 million a week are becoming eligible for boosters, and the booster programme isn’t keeping up.
Apart from that, how does he think it's going?
The booster program is just above an average of 300K per day. It seems to be in a pattern of start low on Monday (reported) and build to weekend.
On that topic... Interesting study showing that #SARSCoV2 breakthrough infection of vaccinated people strongly boosts neutralizing antibody titers, with extent of boosting similar to Moderna booster vaccines https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1453833007098302467
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
If Starmer goes mid Parliament it is hard to see anyone but his Shadow Chancellor Reeves replacing him. She is competent, intelligent as an Oxford educated former economist and capable in the Commons as she showed on Wednesday and reasonably centrist.
Remember too the last time a Leader of the Opposition was replaced before being allowed to fight a general election, IDS in 2003, he was replaced by his Shadow Chancellor, Michael Howard. However Howard got 32.4% in 2005 which was little different to what the Tories were polling under IDS anyway. I don't think Reeves would really make much difference to Starmer to be honest, both are on the centrist wing of Labour and both tried to overturn Brexit by backing a Peoples' Vote. Similarly IDS and Howard were very much on the same spectrum on the Eurosceptic right of the Tory party.
If Labour lose the next general election and Burnham is elected as an MP again then he will be a contender for Labour leader, having opposed a second referendum on Brexit and not being too close to Corbyn, until then I agree he is out of the picture
I’m not even sure he wants the job and, in any event, he has morphed into Mr North and would have to reinvent himself again to pitch for national leader.
Would Starmer permit Burnham to stand as prospective MP in any constituency, given that Burnham would represent an obvious challenger to his leadership?
TBF the way the party works, it wouldn’t necessarily be under his control.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
Not just a spokeswoman: she was the Secretary of State for Education (or whatever the department was called at the time).
Secretary of State for Education, Education, Education.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Finally an admission from the right that status quo/traditional selection processes dont automatically pick the best person for the job. Hope that will be remembered for the next positive discrimination discussions, the Labour Party is a great example to use.
If the prior processes are not picking the right person for the job then the solution is to tackle the discrimination so that going forwards the best person is chosen.
"Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, it doesn't do that.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
All of this may be true, but that shouldn’t be reassuring. An algorithm may just be a big dumb means to an end, a clunky way of maneuvering a massive, dynamic network toward a desired outcome. But Facebook’s enormous size gives it tremendous, unstable power. Facebook takes whole populations of people, pushes them toward radicalism, and then steers the radicalized toward one another. For those who found themselves in the “Stop the Steal” corners of Facebook in November and December of last year, the enthusiasm, the sense of solidarity, must have been overwhelming and thrilling. Facebook had taken warped reality and distributed it at scale....
UK is heading towards the 100,000 new cases/day mark, with the proportion of those double vaxxed now up to 29%. Probably more than one on fifth of us has covid right now. Numbers in ICU up 15% from last week. Recent cases are still mostly children although the 35-55 age group is now also on the rise. Some signs that the overall increases are starting to level off.
Our hopsitalisation rate is higher than most European countries, confirming the picture of the case statistics that the UK is now doing relatively poorly. Our double Vac rate is now middle of the pack. In Romania and Latvia hospitals are heading toward being overwhelmed by admissions. He suggests Portugal is doing the best and may soon achieve herd immunity.
He thinks ZOE is picking up more edge cases than the government confirmed data. Personally I wonder about the likely bias in people completing Zoe which surely by now leans toward the symptomatic?
He concedes that the greater restrictions in Scotland and Wales don’t seem to be making any difference to their data.
About 2 million a week are becoming eligible for boosters, and the booster programme isn’t keeping up.
Apart from that, how does he think it's going?
The booster program is just above an average of 300K per day. It seems to be in a pattern of start low on Monday Sunday (reported) and build towards the next weekend.
Bridget Phillipson has taken a while to come to prominence, but she is still young despite being in parliament since 2010.
There was a cluster of women representing north east seats who entered parliament back then. I remember thinking at the time that they were well placed to make an impression.
If the next Labour leadership election comes after the GE, then Phillipson will be a real contender. If Starmer quits early, Reeves is in the box seat.
He won't though. So Burnham may possibly come into the frame. I'd also say Rayner has a stronger chance than the three listed in the header because I think she would do well in the membership vote, but I'm not certain of that.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the next contest there's three women (maybe the three named) who lose to one man who's stood for it.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Finally an admission from the right that status quo/traditional selection processes dont automatically pick the best person for the job. Hope that will be remembered for the next positive discrimination discussions, the Labour Party is a great example to use.
If the prior processes are not picking the right person for the job then the solution is to tackle the discrimination so that going forwards the best person is chosen.
"Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, it doesn't do that.
Yes of course, if you could magically get rid of all the discriminatory biases and processes in the real world that would be fantastic. Also magical, it ain't gonna happen. Human brains are built on using bias and pattern recognition very heavily, more than we use rationality.
I am not criticising batch cooking, it is a great idea that works for many. Can the people who say all ready meals are bad explain what is bad about the dishes I have linked to? Open to persuasion here but simply proclaiming something does not make it true.
To me they look fine, especially as a base for 2 meals with some fresh ingredients and a pork chop.
Look a little pricey, for what they are, though.
Adding half of a corn on the cob from the freezer would enhance nicely.
Thanks. On the price depends how you look at it.
£3.50, little planning and no cooking time vs say £1 for ingredients plus ensuring have a constant wide variety of fresh ingredients plus 10-30 mins per meal.
For me, that amount of extra cash is irrelevant vs the time. For others it will be different.
Looking at random at the Teriyaki chicken noodles. Too much sugar. Too few calories. 391 kcal is not a main meal. And 27g is not "high protein" you should be aiming to eat a gram per kilo of bodyweight and most people will get most of that in their main meal.
Portion sizes are sometimes way out, small as well as large, as that is how the traffic light nutrition system is reckoned, is it not? We had some all bran clusters (or whatever they're called) sent in error in a delivery. Taste very sweet, but the nutrition breakdown doesn't look that bad for sugar per portion. But the reckoned portion size is tiny. You see it also in e.g. 'sharing bag' sweets, where the portion size for malteasers is (exaggerate, but maybe not by much) two malteasers...
"Student, 21, jumped to her death from bridge over the Menai Strait after getting university email wrongly telling her she had failed her exams
Mared Foulkes, 21, of Anglesey, was studying pharmacy at Cardiff University One email from the university incorrectly stated she had failed her exams Ms Foulkes had already taken her own life before the mistake was rectified"
That’s really tragic. I do worry about the way we often outsource mental health support - we treat it as a kind of separate service that people have to choose to utilise when they’re under extreme stress/depression, when really we need people to be trained to be far more sensitive when delivering potentially life changing news like in this situation.
We also need to be teaching resilience from a young age. I remember the extreme stress I was under in the final months of my undergraduate course. It took me to some bad places. This kind of automated email could possibly have tipped me over the edge. Having someone relevant to have been able to have a sensitive chat to, at that precise moment may well have saved that poor girls life.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the next contest there's three women (maybe the three named) who lose to one man who's stood for it.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
Court jester ...team mascot ? Not sure about either of those, tbf.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the next contest there's three women (maybe the three named) who lose to one man who's stood for it.
Oh, God. Burgon.
I wouldn't rate Burgon above demigod, personally
Judging by his Twitter feed Gary Neville has his eyes on Starmer’s job.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Finally an admission from the right that status quo/traditional selection processes dont automatically pick the best person for the job. Hope that will be remembered for the next positive discrimination discussions, the Labour Party is a great example to use.
If the prior processes are not picking the right person for the job then the solution is to tackle the discrimination so that going forwards the best person is chosen.
"Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, it doesn't do that.
Yes of course, if you could magically get rid of all the discriminatory biases and processes in the real world that would be fantastic. Also magical, it ain't gonna happen. Human brains are built on using bias and pattern recognition very heavily, more than we use rationality.
No need for magic, just tackling the real issues.
"Positive discrimination" is no better at finding the right person for the job, if you're still discriminating against the people you were discriminating against then the 'right person' still suffers because they're being discriminated against. Promoting someone else from the same group because "they all look the same" to you isn't a fix.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
Is that Kwasi "Fixed price tariffs will be honoured" Kwarteng?
Update, still holding firm on my Labour lead poll bet by end of the year, hope you will all send me good luck in that it pays out!
There have been several close calls the last couple of weeks. The Smarkets by 2 Nov market I'm on for No at 1/3, but I'd say odds on just about for a lead this year,
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
"the demolition of BoJo by Rachel Reeves at PMQs on Wednesday" ??
Did he think this was real?
"The all-woman shadow cabinet she had selected had taken their seats in the Commons that first Wednesday after the leadership win. She well recalled standing up at PMQs and beginning with “What a f*ing mess these boys have got this country into, Mr Speaker” as she waved at Johnson, Gove and Sunak. It was a master move that would get Labour finally noticed by the public announced the press in unison as they roared on Angela and Yvette taking it in turns to pound the hapless, floundering fag end government day after day. " https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/27/december-2024-a-tongue-in-cheek-prediction/
I am not criticising batch cooking, it is a great idea that works for many. Can the people who say all ready meals are bad explain what is bad about the dishes I have linked to? Open to persuasion here but simply proclaiming something does not make it true.
To me they look fine, especially as a base for 2 meals with some fresh ingredients and a pork chop.
Look a little pricey, for what they are, though.
Adding half of a corn on the cob from the freezer would enhance nicely.
Thanks. On the price depends how you look at it.
£3.50, little planning and no cooking time vs say £1 for ingredients plus ensuring have a constant wide variety of fresh ingredients plus 10-30 mins per meal.
For me, that amount of extra cash is irrelevant vs the time. For others it will be different.
Looking at random at the Teriyaki chicken noodles. Too much sugar. Too few calories. 391 kcal is not a main meal. And 27g is not "high protein" you should be aiming to eat a gram per kilo of bodyweight and most people will get most of that in their main meal.
Thanks for the analysis. For a middle aged person losing weight 391 kcal as the lighter of main meals feels in the right range for me, only too low if it is every meal, whereas in a week there might be a couple of pub/restaurant meals that need offsetting too. Obviously depends on age, exercise, height and gender.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Finally an admission from the right that status quo/traditional selection processes dont automatically pick the best person for the job. Hope that will be remembered for the next positive discrimination discussions, the Labour Party is a great example to use.
If the prior processes are not picking the right person for the job then the solution is to tackle the discrimination so that going forwards the best person is chosen.
"Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, it doesn't do that.
Yes of course, if you could magically get rid of all the discriminatory biases and processes in the real world that would be fantastic. Also magical, it ain't gonna happen. Human brains are built on using bias and pattern recognition very heavily, more than we use rationality.
No need for magic, just tackling the real issues.
"Positive discrimination" is no better at finding the right person for the job, if you're still discriminating against the people you were discriminating against then the 'right person' still suffers because they're being discriminated against. Promoting someone else from the same group because "they all look the same" to you isn't a fix.
What a random non sequitur. All woman and all men do not look the same time to me.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
Is that Kwasi "Fixed price tariffs will be honoured" Kwarteng?
Some caller on the radio the other day said Kwasi like Elmer Fudd saying Crazy.
Still no sign of any surge in prevalence amongst the older cohorts. Surprising after all that sensationalist news about the vaccine effectiveness suddenly wearing off in a few short weeks.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the next contest there's three women (maybe the three named) who lose to one man who's stood for it.
Oh, God. Burgon.
I wouldn't rate Burgon above demigod, personally
Judging by his Twitter feed Gary Neville has his eyes on Starmer’s job.
Maybe, after Burgon has one day in charge (he's the Allerdyce figure, no offence to either intended). Takes over fom uninspiring leader (Hodgson/Starmer). Highly rated, apparently loved by the British English public. Creates a good team. Comes close, even takes the lead, but loses in the end to a cynical but stronger opponent.
Will the Labour membership vote for a woman? Every single woman who has stood for a membership vote for leader, has been beaten by every man in the contest.
Finally an admission from the right that status quo/traditional selection processes dont automatically pick the best person for the job. Hope that will be remembered for the next positive discrimination discussions, the Labour Party is a great example to use.
If the prior processes are not picking the right person for the job then the solution is to tackle the discrimination so that going forwards the best person is chosen.
"Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, it doesn't do that.
Yes of course, if you could magically get rid of all the discriminatory biases and processes in the real world that would be fantastic. Also magical, it ain't gonna happen. Human brains are built on using bias and pattern recognition very heavily, more than we use rationality.
No need for magic, just tackling the real issues.
"Positive discrimination" is no better at finding the right person for the job, if you're still discriminating against the people you were discriminating against then the 'right person' still suffers because they're being discriminated against. Promoting someone else from the same group because "they all look the same" to you isn't a fix.
What if the organisation has never had a minority C-level executive. And it interviews two candidates for one such role and they are exactly equal and one is from the minority whose inequality you want to address and one is from the prevailing majority.
I can only remember one politician who resigned because they admitted they weren't up to the job. From memory it was a Labour spokeswoman in the 2000s. Virtually all try to brazen it out in the hope that things will get better.
It is a dangerous precedent. If incompetence were a bar, who would be left from the current Cabinet? No one springs to mind...
I don't think that's true at all. Of course we can disagree, but personally I'd keep Liz Truss, Javid, Kwasi at least. Maybe Gove in some role - not sure what though.
Zahawi is another obvious omission.
No, I'd probably keep him.
He’s one I feel is overrated; yes, he’s combative in interview, but it generally doesn’t come across well to the listener. A bit of a bully, i fear.
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Remember too the last time a Leader of the Opposition was replaced before being allowed to fight a general election, IDS in 2003, he was replaced by his Shadow Chancellor, Michael Howard. However Howard got 32.4% in 2005 which was little different to what the Tories were polling under IDS anyway. I don't think Reeves would really make much difference to Starmer to be honest, both are on the centrist wing of Labour and both tried to overturn Brexit by backing a Peoples' Vote. Similarly IDS and Howard were very much on the same spectrum on the Eurosceptic right of the Tory party.
If Labour lose the next general election and Burnham is elected as an MP again then he will be a contender for Labour leader, having opposed a second referendum on Brexit and not being too close to Corbyn, until then I agree he is out of the picture
As for the replacements, each might do a better job, but does any of them have the Blair touch which has been needed to win an election against the Conservatives over the last 40 years? I'm not sure.
To win in England again though and get a majority rather than hung parliament and absent a recovery in Scotland then yes Labour would likely need a Blairite leader again. Blair being the only Labour leader ever to have won more than 1 majority in England
It was that cracking which caused Portillo's self destruct in his leadership campaign.
I can't see Starmer suddenly losing his - which means that he thinks he is the best person for the job.
There is a statistical difference between the YouGov opinion polls and the others.
The difference is that YouGov have Labour 3% lower, and the Greens 3% higher, based on October polls.
The other pollster which have a significant difference is Redfield & Wilton Strategies which have Labour and the Lib Dems around 2% higher than the others (taking into account YouGov's adjustment).
"At the end of the day, at this level, I'm just a bit short."
Immortal words - and the mark of the man really.
My suggestion is that this is evidence that Starmer's repair job to the Labour party is working, but it still has some way to go. It's possible that in another couple of years he will have developed a strong shadow cabinet that begins to look like a credible government-in-waiting.
Maybe they could go for a Jacinda-style shortcut and successfully swap leaders before the next election, but I think that the task of winning a Labour majority is so large that it would be a mistake.
The best Labour can credibly hope for is for Starmer to play a Michael Howard role of steadying the ship after the Corbyn debacle, chip away at the landslide majority of the government, and develop a stronger next generation so the next leader has more to work with.
Yes she may not have been up to moving from junior minister to Cabinet level and she had the strength to admit it to herself and resign but I doubt many of her Cabinet colleagues would have been able to control a class of rowdy teenagers as she used to do either
Prime Minister after the election:
2019 Tory
2017 Tory
2015 Tory
2010 Tory
2005 Tony
2001 Tony
1997 Tony
1992 Tory
1987 Tory
1983 Tory
1979 Tory
1974 LABOUR!
There was a cluster of women representing north east seats who entered parliament back then. I remember thinking at the time that they were well placed to make an impression.
If the next Labour leadership election comes after the GE, then Phillipson will be a real contender. If Starmer quits early, Reeves is in the box seat.
Look a little pricey, for what they are, though.
Adding half of a corn on the cob from the freezer would enhance nicely.
Starmer may well rely on the SNP and Welsh Labour MPs therefore to get to power
Weighing up the three great offices of state we have Sunak, Patel and Truss vs. Reeves, Thomas-Symonds and Nandy. I know which threesome (please don't misinterpret) I'd go for.
Meanwhile, I was pleased to see that Rayner has finally apologised for Toryscumgate. Shame it took actual threats for her to see why her comments were unhelpful, but at least she's learning.
£3.50, little planning and no cooking time vs say £1 for ingredients plus ensuring have a constant wide variety of fresh ingredients plus 10-30 mins per meal.
For me, that amount of extra cash is irrelevant vs the time. For others it will be different.
I would rule Phillipson our for the next contest as too junior.
I wouldn't rule out Rosena or Jess either. Angela is also a fighter and the scum comment not so much a problem with the party selectorate.
I don't think it sexist that they are all women, I just don't see any male rivals with the same calibre.
But Labour's wokeness means there will always be a question mark over them.
But yes, a pool of talented women who could contest a leadership election.
Of the men, then EdM is probably top of the pile, and I'm sure he won't be standing.
Reeves gave a competent response to the budget but anyone could have done better than Annaliese Dodds' lamentable effort last year. Reeves has the handicap of having a terrible voice.
UK is heading towards the 100,000 new cases/day mark, with the proportion of those double vaxxed now up to 29%. Probably more than one on fifth of us has covid right now. Numbers in ICU up 15% from last week. Recent cases are still mostly children although the 35-55 age group is now also on the rise. Some signs that the overall increases are starting to level off.
Our hopsitalisation rate is higher than most European countries, confirming the picture of the case statistics that the UK is now doing relatively poorly. Our double Vac rate is now middle of the pack. In Romania and Latvia hospitals are heading toward being overwhelmed by admissions. He suggests Portugal is doing the best and may soon achieve herd immunity.
He thinks ZOE is picking up more edge cases than the government confirmed data. Personally I wonder about the likely bias in people completing Zoe which surely by now leans toward the symptomatic?
He concedes that the greater restrictions in Scotland and Wales don’t seem to be making any difference to their data.
About 2 million a week are becoming eligible for boosters, and the booster programme isn’t keeping up.
Mared Foulkes, 21, of Anglesey, was studying pharmacy at Cardiff University
One email from the university incorrectly stated she had failed her exams
Ms Foulkes had already taken her own life before the mistake was rectified"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10142029/Student-fell-death-bridge-getting-email-WRONGLY-telling-failed-exams.html
Younger than the PM and LOTO. Seems like a character from a different age.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations#card-people_who_have_received_booster_or_3rd_dose_vaccinations_by_report_date
300*7 = ......
Interesting study showing that #SARSCoV2 breakthrough infection of vaccinated people strongly boosts neutralizing antibody titers, with extent of boosting similar to Moderna booster vaccines
https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1453833007098302467
Labour comeback in Scotland.
Have all those Graun columnists who rowed in to support Rayner when she made the remarks likewise apologised, a la Private Eye?
"Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, it doesn't do that.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/facebook-papers-democracy-election-zuckerberg/620478/
...One argument goes something like this: Facebook’s algorithms aren’t magic, its ad targeting isn’t even that good, and most people aren’t that stupid.
All of this may be true, but that shouldn’t be reassuring. An algorithm may just be a big dumb means to an end, a clunky way of maneuvering a massive, dynamic network toward a desired outcome. But Facebook’s enormous size gives it tremendous, unstable power. Facebook takes whole populations of people, pushes them toward radicalism, and then steers the radicalized toward one another. For those who found themselves in the “Stop the Steal” corners of Facebook in November and December of last year, the enthusiasm, the sense of solidarity, must have been overwhelming and thrilling. Facebook had taken warped reality and distributed it at scale....
We also need to be teaching resilience from a young age. I remember the extreme stress I was under in the final months of my undergraduate course. It took me to some bad places. This kind of automated email could possibly have tipped me over the edge. Having someone relevant to have been able to have a sensitive chat to, at that precise moment may well have saved that poor girls life.
We need to do better, as a society.
RIP
Not sure about either of those, tbf.
"Positive discrimination" is no better at finding the right person for the job, if you're still discriminating against the people you were discriminating against then the 'right person' still suffers because they're being discriminated against. Promoting someone else from the same group because "they all look the same" to you isn't a fix.
"The all-woman shadow cabinet she had selected had taken their seats in the Commons that first Wednesday after the leadership win. She well recalled standing up at PMQs and beginning with “What a f*ing mess these boys have got this country into, Mr Speaker” as she waved at Johnson, Gove and Sunak. It was a master move that would get Labour finally noticed by the public announced the press in unison as they roared on Angela and Yvette taking it in turns to pound the hapless, floundering fag end government day after day. "
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/27/december-2024-a-tongue-in-cheek-prediction/
▪️ increased in England, now at a similar level to early 2021
▪️ increased in Northern Ireland.
Trends were uncertain in Wales and there were early signs of an increase in Scotland ow.ly/zGLx50GAXsy
https://twitter.com/ons/status/1454040643198758916?s=21
“One in”:
Wales: 40
England: 50
Scotland: 75
NI: 75
Or was it a private bet?
It's now how I say it in my head.
Yep, I can see that.
What is wrong with positive discrimination then?
How far he has fallen.