I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
You can sort of see why the EU, a union of consent, might wave a big, encouraging stick from time to time. Why the UK, a union of constraint, feels the need to is another question.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
Never let the facts get in the way of your ridiculous prejudices.
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
Your denial of what this letter says, and all that it implies, is just dim. It is there, written down. Everyone can see the many translations
To be fair to smarter Remainers on Twitter, they are admitting that this is an embarrassing mistake, at best, and not at all helpful for France/Brussels.
It does shine a light on elite French thinking, tho. Deep down they see Brexit as an existential threat to the EU, which is their core ideology. We must never be allowed to prosper EVER, or others will follow our example. This is a big problem for them, and because of them, for us. They REALLY need to get over Brexit
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge of retesting, and that is now subsiding.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
It's just possible that both remainers and leavers are cretins
I would allow that
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.) 1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge or retesting, and that is now subsiding.
Retests and new tests are something those with access to the raw (anonymised) data sets could split out. Would be an interesting thing to do. Retesting is deffo a substantial skewing factor though.
It's just possible that both remainers and leavers are cretins
I would allow that
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.) 1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge or retesting, and that is now subsiding.
Retests and new tests are something those with access to the raw (anonymised) data sets could split out. Would be an interesting thing to do. Retesting is deffo a substantial skewing factor though.
If you look at say the Wiltshire cases on the dashboard there is a definite hump up and now it is returning back to where it was. I know from acquaintances that they were offered fresh tests. The wise ones turned them down as they were clearing the Covid but would surely still test positive on PCR and thus book 10 more days shut in. I think others have been less discerning. I think the ons did not show big differences in the SW from the average, so if the surge was real, we’d have seen it.
Watching a rather amusing Korean drama on Netflix. They often seem to have weird tones, these Korean shows - it's about a South Korean business heiress and a North Korean soldier, and it's half romantic soap opera, and then half, suddenly, 'Right, she's stuck in North Korea and they could both be killed at any moment by the authorities'.
Spare a thought for Denis MacShane's friend who is really suffering because of Brexit:
@DenisMacShane A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
Wasn’t it capturing Gibraltar on the grounds it was more valuable than his instructed target of Minorca?
Spare a thought for Denis MacShane's friend who is really suffering because of Brexit:
@DenisMacShane A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
Who on Earth has favourite socks? Or is fussy about shower gel? And regularly buys wet suits? Dislike the term Remoaner. But... Some years ago this would be described as unspoofable.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
You can sort of see why the EU, a union of consent, might wave a big, encouraging stick from time to time. Why the UK, a union of constraint, feels the need to is another question.
Because in this example they self evidently have no case. There are plenty of situations I assume where they would be able to justify their actions
Am watching NBA for the first time in years. The standard of shooting is bloody incredible.
Not a basketball fan, but whenever I catch clip compilations and the like it's pretty impressive stuff, in a way I feel it'd be harder to tell for a football novice watching random clips.
Spare a thought for Denis MacShane's friend who is really suffering because of Brexit:
@DenisMacShane A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge of retesting, and that is now subsiding.
Not convinced we can read much into the case numbers because of the testing variation, but they seem to be fairly steady around 40K. What's more worrying is the hospitalisation number which has been rising steadily towards 10K over the last few days.
Am watching NBA for the first time in years. The standard of shooting is bloody incredible.
Not a basketball fan, but whenever I catch clip compilations and the like it's pretty impressive stuff, in a way I feel it'd be harder to tell for a football novice watching random clips.
Used to play. (Was 5 10 at age 12). It is a damned sight harder to even hit the rim, let alone get it in, than it looks. Am still 5 10 btw. My stubborn refusal to grow taller ruined my nascent career. Absolutely wonderful sporting experience to sit on the front row courtside. Even for British game. One of the sports much more impressive live at close quarters.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
Wasn’t it capturing Gibraltar on the grounds it was more valuable than his instructed target of Minorca?
Both Gibraltar AND Menorca were ceded to Britain by the Treaty of Utrecht.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
Wasn’t it capturing Gibraltar on the grounds it was more valuable than his instructed target of Minorca?
No. He was ordered to relieve Minorca, which was under French attack. However, he had insufficient soldiers to effect a landing and after being challenged by the French, with his already small and undermanned fleet damaged, he returned to Gibraltar with the intention of repairing and coming back with a fresh force to have another go.
However, the British government received him of command before he could make the attempt. Thereby ironically dooming the garrison at Minorca, which is what Byng was actually shot for…
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To be fair to smarter Remainers on Twitter, they are admitting that this is an embarrassing mistake, at best, and not at all helpful for France/Brussels.
It does shine a light on elite French thinking, tho. Deep down they see Brexit as an existential threat to the EU, which is their core ideology. We must never be allowed to prosper EVER, or others will follow our example. This is a big problem for them, and because of them, for us. They REALLY need to get over Brexit
Just flicking through channels and Graham Norton is interviewing....
Obama and Springsteen.
He's upped his guest quality.
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.)
1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
https://www.etymonline.com/word/cretin
We are ALL cretins
I think the ons did not show big differences in the SW from the average, so if the surge was real, we’d have seen it.
@DenisMacShane
A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
https://twitter.com/DenisMacShane/status/1454145787798167558
And regularly buys wet suits?
Dislike the term Remoaner. But... Some years ago this would be described as unspoofable.
The standard of shooting is bloody incredible.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Shower-300ml-Czech-Republic/dp/B07QDKBX54
And, in fact the manufacturer will ship to the uk:
Russians and Ukrainians, though? Out in the cold...
Am still 5 10 btw.
My stubborn refusal to grow taller ruined my nascent career.
Absolutely wonderful sporting experience to sit on the front row courtside. Even for British game. One of the sports much more impressive live at close quarters.
Yes: 48% (=)
No: 52% (=)
Via
@SavantaComRes
, 22-28 Oct.
Changes w/ 3-9 Sep.
8 of the last 10 polls have shown a lead for NO, one has shown a lead for YES
No way Sturgeon is ever calling her indyref2
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/oct/29/trudeau-government-canada-indigenous-children
However, the British government received him of command before he could make the attempt. Thereby ironically dooming the garrison at Minorca, which is what Byng was actually shot for…