You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you want
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanity
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?
We do still live in democracies - I hope. We are not helpless Chinese peons.
Public opinion must see the guilty parties brought to justice, and scientists must be told Fuck This Bubonic Shit
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....
It's still possible she could outlive him.
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.
Odd. I can't understand disliking Brenda, but if you do surely someone parasitic on her is even worse?
It's not like he's parasitic on her... he doesn't take her money or time or precious bodily fluids. But since you bring parasitism up..
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....
It's still possible she could outlive him.
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.
Odd. I can't understand disliking Brenda, but if you do surely someone parasitic on her is even worse?
It's not like he's parasitic on her... he doesn't take her money or time or precious bodily fluids. But since you bring parasitism up..
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
lol. What do you expect Biden to do? He doesn't say France is MORE, he is saying France is just as loyal, decent, blah blah diplowank
Biden is the guy who warmly embraced Macron in Cornwall, even as, behind the scenes, he was plotting with Johnson and ScoMo to sabotage the biggest French defence deal in history, steal all France's business, and set up a new Anglo Saxon defence alliance explicitly excluding the French, despite a decade of Australian promises to Paris
He's hardly gonna double down on the insults, there is no need, America got what it wanted (as did Boris and Morrison)
A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?
To be utterly cynical: Johnson gets out of a total hole as the whole thing is shaping up to be a flop.
Expectations are so low for it that unless the places burns down during the conference from a freak heatwave it will be sold as a success.
Even if that happens, Johnson will walk away from the inferno, dust himself down, declare that England is rising once again, and call an early general election.
A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?
To be utterly cynical: Johnson gets out of a total hole as the whole thing is shaping up to be a flop.
Expectations are so low for it that unless the places burns down during the conference from a freak heatwave it will be sold as a success.
Even if that happens, Johnson will walk away from the inferno, dust himself down, declare that England is rising once again, and call an early general election.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
But this is a Macron trying to arrange it to be harder, I.e. exactly what is implied by ‘punishment beatings’. I don’t expect our friends in the EU to give use special treatment. We left the place where that existed. But it would be nice if our allies (NATO) and the country we spent money and lives to liberate didn’t actively set out to harm us for having the temerity to leave the EU.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
Perhaps. But this is the French Prime Minister asking the European Commission to SHOW European public opinion that Brexit will be more harmful to Britain than Remaining.... and this is in regard to some fishing licences??!!
So it really is all about Brexit, it's fuck all to do with fish, France wants Britain to hurt, and to be seen to be hurting, so other European countries don't get ideas about quitting. That's it. That's what it says
Your pathetic shrug really is a giveaway. If a British Leaver prime minister sent a letter like this, asking for a European ally to be harmed, solely for the benefit of some public opinion, you and all your fellow Remoaners would blow a fucking gasket
But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
I wonder how he's planning on dragging this out until the election date without getting embarrassed?
It's about winning, it's about creating an external enemy.
To be fair to Macron, I don't think he created the notion of Les Rosbifs being the external enemy.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
You can sort of see why the EU, a union of consent, might wave a big, encouraging stick from time to time. Why the UK, a union of constraint, feels the need to is another question.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
Never let the facts get in the way of your ridiculous prejudices.
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
Your denial of what this letter says, and all that it implies, is just dim. It is there, written down. Everyone can see the many translations
To be fair to smarter Remainers on Twitter, they are admitting that this is an embarrassing mistake, at best, and not at all helpful for France/Brussels.
It does shine a light on elite French thinking, tho. Deep down they see Brexit as an existential threat to the EU, which is their core ideology. We must never be allowed to prosper EVER, or others will follow our example. This is a big problem for them, and because of them, for us. They REALLY need to get over Brexit
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge of retesting, and that is now subsiding.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
It's just possible that both remainers and leavers are cretins
I would allow that
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.) 1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge or retesting, and that is now subsiding.
Retests and new tests are something those with access to the raw (anonymised) data sets could split out. Would be an interesting thing to do. Retesting is deffo a substantial skewing factor though.
It's just possible that both remainers and leavers are cretins
I would allow that
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.) 1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
Don't you go dragging clever and interesting anecdotes into my everyone-sniping. You'll make me seem like I've actually got a point or some deep wisdom.
It's just possible that both remainers and leavers are cretins
I would allow that
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.) 1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge or retesting, and that is now subsiding.
Retests and new tests are something those with access to the raw (anonymised) data sets could split out. Would be an interesting thing to do. Retesting is deffo a substantial skewing factor though.
If you look at say the Wiltshire cases on the dashboard there is a definite hump up and now it is returning back to where it was. I know from acquaintances that they were offered fresh tests. The wise ones turned them down as they were clearing the Covid but would surely still test positive on PCR and thus book 10 more days shut in. I think others have been less discerning. I think the ons did not show big differences in the SW from the average, so if the surge was real, we’d have seen it.
Watching a rather amusing Korean drama on Netflix. They often seem to have weird tones, these Korean shows - it's about a South Korean business heiress and a North Korean soldier, and it's half romantic soap opera, and then half, suddenly, 'Right, she's stuck in North Korea and they could both be killed at any moment by the authorities'.
Spare a thought for Denis MacShane's friend who is really suffering because of Brexit:
@DenisMacShane A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
Wasn’t it capturing Gibraltar on the grounds it was more valuable than his instructed target of Minorca?
Spare a thought for Denis MacShane's friend who is really suffering because of Brexit:
@DenisMacShane A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
Who on Earth has favourite socks? Or is fussy about shower gel? And regularly buys wet suits? Dislike the term Remoaner. But... Some years ago this would be described as unspoofable.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretins
No, Leavers are cretins.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
You can sort of see why the EU, a union of consent, might wave a big, encouraging stick from time to time. Why the UK, a union of constraint, feels the need to is another question.
Because in this example they self evidently have no case. There are plenty of situations I assume where they would be able to justify their actions
Am watching NBA for the first time in years. The standard of shooting is bloody incredible.
Not a basketball fan, but whenever I catch clip compilations and the like it's pretty impressive stuff, in a way I feel it'd be harder to tell for a football novice watching random clips.
Spare a thought for Denis MacShane's friend who is really suffering because of Brexit:
@DenisMacShane A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
Ironically, the specific failure of test and trace in Wolverhampton, and the resulting COVID surge in Wessex, might be as near as we ever get to evidence that T&T at least did something.
I’m not convinced we are having a surge of cases. We are seeing the surge of retesting, and that is now subsiding.
Not convinced we can read much into the case numbers because of the testing variation, but they seem to be fairly steady around 40K. What's more worrying is the hospitalisation number which has been rising steadily towards 10K over the last few days.
Am watching NBA for the first time in years. The standard of shooting is bloody incredible.
Not a basketball fan, but whenever I catch clip compilations and the like it's pretty impressive stuff, in a way I feel it'd be harder to tell for a football novice watching random clips.
Used to play. (Was 5 10 at age 12). It is a damned sight harder to even hit the rim, let alone get it in, than it looks. Am still 5 10 btw. My stubborn refusal to grow taller ruined my nascent career. Absolutely wonderful sporting experience to sit on the front row courtside. Even for British game. One of the sports much more impressive live at close quarters.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
Wasn’t it capturing Gibraltar on the grounds it was more valuable than his instructed target of Minorca?
Both Gibraltar AND Menorca were ceded to Britain by the Treaty of Utrecht.
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...
Wasn’t it capturing Gibraltar on the grounds it was more valuable than his instructed target of Minorca?
No. He was ordered to relieve Minorca, which was under French attack. However, he had insufficient soldiers to effect a landing and after being challenged by the French, with his already small and undermanned fleet damaged, he returned to Gibraltar with the intention of repairing and coming back with a fresh force to have another go.
However, the British government received him of command before he could make the attempt. Thereby ironically dooming the garrison at Minorca, which is what Byng was actually shot for…
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To be honest it is not a complete shock, you've always had an undercurrent of darkness.
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
Biden is the guy who warmly embraced Macron in Cornwall, even as, behind the scenes, he was plotting with Johnson and ScoMo to sabotage the biggest French defence deal in history, steal all France's business, and set up a new Anglo Saxon defence alliance explicitly excluding the French, despite a decade of Australian promises to Paris
He's hardly gonna double down on the insults, there is no need, America got what it wanted (as did Boris and Morrison)
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
So it really is all about Brexit, it's fuck all to do with fish, France wants Britain to hurt, and to be seen to be hurting, so other European countries don't get ideas about quitting. That's it. That's what it says
Your pathetic shrug really is a giveaway. If a British Leaver prime minister sent a letter like this, asking for a European ally to be harmed, solely for the benefit of some public opinion, you and all your fellow Remoaners would blow a fucking gasket
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)
And there’s no one whiter (literally) than a Scotchman.
It wasn’t just a waste of money – it failed to prevent two more lockdowns.
ANDREW ORLOWSKI"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/29/the-catastrophe-of-nhs-test-and-trace/
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.
To be fair to smarter Remainers on Twitter, they are admitting that this is an embarrassing mistake, at best, and not at all helpful for France/Brussels.
It does shine a light on elite French thinking, tho. Deep down they see Brexit as an existential threat to the EU, which is their core ideology. We must never be allowed to prosper EVER, or others will follow our example. This is a big problem for them, and because of them, for us. They REALLY need to get over Brexit
Just flicking through channels and Graham Norton is interviewing....
Obama and Springsteen.
He's upped his guest quality.
There is one intriguing etymology of "cretin" which derives it from the French/Latin for Christians, ie - anyone or everyone
Cretin (n.)
1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).
https://www.etymonline.com/word/cretin
We are ALL cretins
You'll make me seem like I've actually got a point or some deep wisdom.
I think the ons did not show big differences in the SW from the average, so if the surge was real, we’d have seen it.
@DenisMacShane
A friend, successful French businessman in UK emails that his favourite wet suit (water ski) comes from Germany. No longer delivered to UK. His favourite sox are from Selfridges but can't order them on line. Shower gel is Czech. They deliver worldwide but not UK. Bravo Brexit!
https://twitter.com/DenisMacShane/status/1454145787798167558
And regularly buys wet suits?
Dislike the term Remoaner. But... Some years ago this would be described as unspoofable.
The standard of shooting is bloody incredible.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Shower-300ml-Czech-Republic/dp/B07QDKBX54
And, in fact the manufacturer will ship to the uk:
Russians and Ukrainians, though? Out in the cold...
Am still 5 10 btw.
My stubborn refusal to grow taller ruined my nascent career.
Absolutely wonderful sporting experience to sit on the front row courtside. Even for British game. One of the sports much more impressive live at close quarters.
Yes: 48% (=)
No: 52% (=)
Via
@SavantaComRes
, 22-28 Oct.
Changes w/ 3-9 Sep.
8 of the last 10 polls have shown a lead for NO, one has shown a lead for YES
No way Sturgeon is ever calling her indyref2
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/oct/29/trudeau-government-canada-indigenous-children
However, the British government received him of command before he could make the attempt. Thereby ironically dooming the garrison at Minorca, which is what Byng was actually shot for…