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Well what have they missed? I mean it’s not aliens after all...Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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Boris gets 'Levelling Up' in. Cool!2
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Probably unconnected to the announcement but I've just had to reboot our boiler.3
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Lol not being covered live on BBC News0
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He seems to have something which is subtly dufferent, but which is crucial, that such personnel should not obey the Commander in Chief’s orders unless Milley gave his permission. Milley therefore put himself above the C-in-C.Philip_Thompson said:
He feared the POTUS could order a nuclear strike and did no more than make clear that anyone he could give the order to knew to double-check before sending the missiles.MrEd said:
Absolutely agree with that. Believe it or not, I don’t want nuclear war.Philip_Thompson said:
Quite right that the military shouldn't go launching the weapons by themselves without checks.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
Nor should the President.
If the President goes crazy the military absolutely has the duty to double-check with other relevant people before following through with such madness just because a deranged individual is telling them to send the weapons flying.
However, if this is a comment on my Milley point, I’ll reiterate - Milley wasn’t told by Trump to launch an attack nor were there any suggestions given but instead believed it could happen - without consulting anyone - and then acted on his own.
If you want to flip examples, let’s do a roll play scenario in 2017 where Michael Flynn is Chief of Staff and HRC is President. Flynn believes HRC is going to attack Russia over its Crimea behaviour and thinks she is going too far. He therefore takes steps to make sure HRC cant launch the missies even though she has given no direct orders to do so. Is he right to take action?
Absolutely that's entirely reasonable and nobody can object to that. He didn't say Trump couldn't order a strike, he just said that if an unprovoked first strike were ordered then rather than sending the missile it should be checked first.
Now, if the US wants to have a procedure where the CoS can do that, it should be in the Constitution or, at least, codified. The fact it is not suggests that politicians in the past have had misgivings.
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LOL no, just Morrison spoke first and was shown split-screen with Biden looking at him talking first. Now Boris is speaking. Presumably Biden will speak next.Mexicanpete said:
Late again?Philip_Thompson said:
And behind Biden too. Presumably behind Johnson but he's not on screen.Big_G_NorthWales said:Australia-US -UK flags behind Morrison
Main takeaway seems to be that Australia is getting nuclear subs with the assistance of USA and UK.0 -
Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?0
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Good job they just hired a highly impartial new top bod....Casino_Royale said:Gone to SkyNews which *does* have it.
The BBC needs to be put down.0 -
Auukward, is my verdict.0
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Biden's forgotten ScoMo's name!0
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You'd think they could have tipped off the subtitlers that it is not Orcas.MaxPB said:I keep hearing them say Orcas. It's weird.
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Did Joe Biden just forget Scott Morrison's name? "That fella down under"?0
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'That fellow down under'. What a disaster.1
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Oh god he forgot Scott's name1
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Keep up!Sandpit said:This is about China.
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The fella down under?0
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That fella downunder?tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
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Very good.Leon said:"That is why we intend to attack these mysterious craft"
Jesus
Seriously*, what's more likely, intelligent aliens reaching earth from a distant galaxy or people travelling back in time from the future? Either could conceivably explain UFOs.
(*Ok not really. Neither is possible imho but I'd prefer the latter to the former; at travellers from the future are unlikely to want to anihilate us beacuse it would presumably f*ck-up the, er, future.)0 -
Good job for the teleprompter for Sleepy Joe..... otherwise he might be talking of a New Zealand deal with PM Macron....0
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Replace, the theatre of war has shifted to APAC. Europe can't be trusted which means a new partnership needs to be formed. I expect we'll try and pull Japan in, especially if their constitution is amended to allow non-self defence military capabilities.Leon said:This is to replace NATO, or "augment" it
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We are uniting our nation with another nation led by a man in total senile decline. Brilliant0
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That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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Remember this is Biden, not Trump0
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Boris' remarks make it sound much like the Oz submarines will essentially be British, but assembled in down under.0
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Lol Biden forgot who Scott Morrison was0
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Johnson?Leon said:We are uniting our nation with another nation led by a man in total senile decline. Brilliant
Edit, sorry I thought you were directly quoting Biden.1 -
ScoMo would get my vote for president of the world if it was a choice of these three.0
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I think that was a joke tbh. President Biden appears to be taking this less seriously than the other two.tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
ETA that said, Boris's levelling-up speech sounded a bit off too.1 -
Total senile decline is still an improvement from what came before it.Leon said:We are uniting our nation with another nation led by a man in total senile decline. Brilliant
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Biden isn’t all there, is he?1
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I see that it is big news in Australia, but not clear what it means to us. Considering out militaries couldn't defeat a bunch of nutters on mopeds in Afghanistan.turbotubbs said:
Well what have they missed? I mean it’s not aliens after all...Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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Brilliant. Joe never fails to disappoint.CarlottaVance said:Biden's forgotten ScoMo's name!
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SEATO Part IIMaxPB said:
Replace, the theatre of war has shifted to APAC. Europe can't be trusted which means a new partnership needs to be formed. I expect we'll try and pull Japan in, especially if their constitution is amended to allow non-self defenceLeon said:This is to replace NATO, or "augment" it
military capabilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization
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He has IDS's "frog" too...0
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Australia to buy nuclear subs off UK , paid for in thermal coal0
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What's most shocking here is that the Biden people who control the marionette strings are all in for a much closer UK/US partnership. The Biden team hasn't changed the Trump administration foreign policy outlook at all. In fact they seem to have doubled down and pushed the EU further away and hugged the UK closer.4
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Fuck off, we don't want France in this. Wankers
AUKUS is for the Anglos
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Did Biden mistake France for the UK there?0
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Nuclear-powered subs, not subs with nuclear weapons.Anabobazina said:
That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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But but but Biden's Irish heritage wibble wibbleMaxPB said:What's most shocking here is that the Biden people who control the marionette strings are all in for a much closer UK/US partnership. The Biden team hasn't changed the Trump administration foreign policy outlook at all. In fact they seem to have doubled down and pushed the EU further away and hugged the UK closer.
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Unless we already fecked up the future and they want revenge....Benpointer said:
Very good.Leon said:"That is why we intend to attack these mysterious craft"
Jesus
Seriously*, what's more likely, intelligent aliens reaching earth from a distant galaxy or people travelling back in time from the future? Either could conceivably explain UFOs.
(*Ok not really. Neither is possible imho but I'd prefer the latter to the former; at travellers from the future are unlikely to want to anihilate us beacuse it would presumably f*ck-up our the, er, future.)
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Biden: We are launching...
...consultations.
Just for a moment I thought it was getting serious.2 -
True. Probably better than actual madness, but still quite embarrassingPhilip_Thompson said:
Total senile decline is still an improvement from what came before it.Leon said:We are uniting our nation with another nation led by a man in total senile decline. Brilliant
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Bunch of public sector woke-obsessed sloppy space-cadet fuckwits.Pulpstar said:Lol not being covered live on BBC News
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Do you think Sleepy Joe has any idea what he is reading off the teleprompter? He certainly doesn't sound like it.1
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Nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. Though I imagine they may be able to carry Trident missiles in the future.Anabobazina said:
That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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And Johnson is?Sandpit said:Biden isn’t all there, is he?
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I assumed it was a folksy joke.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I think that was a joke tbh. President Biden appears to be taking this less seriously than the other two.tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
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The exclusion of Canada seems deliberate1
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BBC are shocking not covering this live0
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They’re fucking mental. They’ve ripped us out of Europe and are now lashing us to the US in time for conflict with China. Fuck me. Hasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan taught them anything?3
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This was just a showcase for a potential AUS-US arms deal. The presence of Boris wasn't really necessary at all.0
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18 months for China to invade Taiwan0
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“America’s Back!”Philip_Thompson said:
But but but Biden's Irish heritage wibble wibbleMaxPB said:What's most shocking here is that the Biden people who control the marionette strings are all in for a much closer UK/US partnership. The Biden team hasn't changed the Trump administration foreign policy outlook at all. In fact they seem to have doubled down and pushed the EU further away and hugged the UK closer.
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Yes, I got that but my post wasn’t clearSandpit said:
Nuclear-powered subs, not subs with nuclear weapons.Anabobazina said:
That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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White House link cuts off before the press corps can ask any questions of the President.0
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They'll surely cover it before 22:30 just not live.Big_G_NorthWales said:BBC are shocking not covering this live
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No, I'm sorry, I've got senile relatives (sadly). And that was pure senilityAnabobazina said:
I assumed it was a folksy joke.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I think that was a joke tbh. President Biden appears to be taking this less seriously than the other two.tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
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He simply forgot. Classic. So you stumble on a replacement - "that fella down under"0 -
Says one of the woke obsessed.Casino_Royale said:
Bunch of public sector woke-obsessed sloppy space-cadet fuckwits.Pulpstar said:Lol not being covered live on BBC News
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My WhatsApp has been full of Remoaners delighted that Biden withdrew from Afghanistan without telling the UK.. for 36 hours.MaxPB said:What's most shocking here is that the Biden people who control the marionette strings are all in for a much closer UK/US partnership. The Biden team hasn't changed the Trump administration foreign policy outlook at all. In fact they seem to have doubled down and pushed the EU further away and hugged the UK closer.
Totally silent now.0 -
No, that would be a very different design. At most they could perhaps manage a few nuclear cruise missiles.MaxPB said:
Nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. Though I imagine they may be able to carry Trident missiles in the future.Anabobazina said:
That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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It is indeed.MrEd said:
“America’s Back!”Philip_Thompson said:
But but but Biden's Irish heritage wibble wibbleMaxPB said:What's most shocking here is that the Biden people who control the marionette strings are all in for a much closer UK/US partnership. The Biden team hasn't changed the Trump administration foreign policy outlook at all. In fact they seem to have doubled down and pushed the EU further away and hugged the UK closer.
POTUS is sharing a stage with America's longstanding closest allies.
Not kowtowing before the Russian President.3 -
Leon said:
The exclusion of Canada seems deliberate
Election timing, Canada to join later?0 -
He walked off i think. Time for his afternoon nap.Sandpit said:White House link cuts off before the press corps can ask any questions of the President.
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Yes but in what sense? If it is just an announcement that Australia will be buying British and American submarines, why would Canada be involved? Biden and Morrison were both at pains to mention that existing partnerships would be honoured.Leon said:The exclusion of Canada seems deliberate
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Japan, India and Australia. Rope China the fuck in all round.MaxPB said:
Replace, the theatre of war has shifted to APAC. Europe can't be trusted which means a new partnership needs to be formed. I expect we'll try and pull Japan in, especially if their constitution is amended to allow non-self defence military capabilities.Leon said:This is to replace NATO, or "augment" it
Nasty regime.2 -
10.15 and made it to bbc news0
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Now on BBC 10pm news0
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It could be the Purdah rules around their own election, or could also be related to their failure to spend half the NATO target on defence.Leon said:The exclusion of Canada seems deliberate
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No, it seems to be all about getting Aussie nuclear submarines into the Pacific with UK and US support.Benpointer said:
Not sure what Canada would have to do about that?1 -
Quite rigid for the News Channel not to break from the 10 o'clock news for it, but I wouldn't have led BBC1 with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:BBC are shocking not covering this live
Just on the news now.0 -
What would your approach to China be?northern_monkey said:They’re fucking mental. They’ve ripped us out of Europe and are now lashing us to the US in time for conflict with China. Fuck me. Hasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan taught them anything?
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Could damage Trudeau?
"Canada left out again... Do our allies just not trust Trudeau?"
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Well, I'll wager one thing: we won't be hearing about AUUKUS ever again.0
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Why would Canada want to be part of this?Benpointer said:0 -
The tripartite deal will strengthen the UK defence industry and must lead to a US trade dealnorthern_monkey said:They’re fucking mental. They’ve ripped us out of Europe and are now lashing us to the US in time for conflict with China. Fuck me. Hasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan taught them anything?
Europe has been sidelined and it will pose big questions for Starmer and indeed Europe itself2 -
At least they've dropped that awkward "U" in AUKUS....
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No pun intended but I suspect the shot across the bows is deliberate.MaxPB said:
Nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. Though I imagine they may be able to carry Trident missiles in the future.Anabobazina said:
That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
Suggests the UK and US wouldn't rule out throwing Australia under a nuclear umbrella.2 -
Called it...
...It went on to say that the defence pact would also focus on cyber capabilities, artificial intelligence and "additional undersea capabilities".
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What are you on about?Casino_Royale said:
My WhatsApp has been full of Remoaners delighted that Biden withdrew from Afghanistan without telling the UK.. for 36 hours.MaxPB said:What's most shocking here is that the Biden people who control the marionette strings are all in for a much closer UK/US partnership. The Biden team hasn't changed the Trump administration foreign policy outlook at all. In fact they seem to have doubled down and pushed the EU further away and hugged the UK closer.
Totally silent now.1 -
If forgetting someone’s name (a name you really ought to know) is a sign of senility, then I’ve been senile my whole life.Leon said:
No, I'm sorry, I've got senile relatives (sadly). And that was pure senilityAnabobazina said:
I assumed it was a folksy joke.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I think that was a joke tbh. President Biden appears to be taking this less seriously than the other two.tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
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He simply forgot. Classic. So you stumble on a replacement - "that fella down under"
It makes teaching a bit more of a challenge, but that’s what seating plans are for.5 -
Wasn't he reading it? Unless the autocue broke, it was more likely a scripted joke.Leon said:
No, I'm sorry, I've got senile relatives (sadly). And that was pure senilityAnabobazina said:
I assumed it was a folksy joke.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I think that was a joke tbh. President Biden appears to be taking this less seriously than the other two.tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
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No, it's the Woke who are woke-obsessed.Mexicanpete said:
Says one of the woke obsessed.Casino_Royale said:
Bunch of public sector woke-obsessed sloppy space-cadet fuckwits.Pulpstar said:Lol not being covered live on BBC News
I'm only pointing out their obsession.
Those who object (like you) only do so because you are also woke-obsessed, and therefore part of the problem.1 -
Shashank Joshi
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Our piece on AUKUS, which the British government refers to as a "new defence alliance". The agreement, originally proposed by Australia, will be signed in Washington next week, presumably during
@ScottMorrisonMP
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An Aussie proposal, interestingly. But suits US and UK
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What can a non nuclear nuclear sub actually do ?0
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The first Polaris subs were actually cut-and-shut attack subs. One was literally cut in half on the building slip, the two ends pulled apart and the missile compartment added in.Foxy said:
No, that would be a very different design. At most they could perhaps manage a few nuclear cruise missiles.MaxPB said:
Nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. Though I imagine they may be able to carry Trident missiles in the future.Anabobazina said:
That is an absolute joke. ITV too. Sky are the only ones running it. Nuclear subs in Aussie waters, a fairly big story…Philip_Thompson said:
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_George_Washington_(SSBN-598)
The next generation US/UK attack subs are larger - to help accommodate their natural convection reactors, which require more height. This would make such a conversion even easier.0 -
Hmmm.. can’t see why AUUKUS would just “go away”. Strategically important I thinkStark_Dawning said:Well, I'll wager one thing: we won't be hearing about AUUKUS ever again.
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Says that fella with the flint...Leon said:
No, I'm sorry, I've got senile relatives (sadly). And that was pure senilityAnabobazina said:
I assumed it was a folksy joke.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I think that was a joke tbh. President Biden appears to be taking this less seriously than the other two.tlg86 said:Biden forgot ScoMo’s name?
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Whatever you say...Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tripartite deal will strengthen the UK defence industry and must lead to a US trade dealnorthern_monkey said:They’re fucking mental. They’ve ripped us out of Europe and are now lashing us to the US in time for conflict with China. Fuck me. Hasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan taught them anything?
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Looks to me like Scotty wanted a bit of face saving as his deal with the French over subs became unaffordable, mostly over costs of building in Australia.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'll wager one thing: we won't be hearing about AUUKUS ever again.
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It was a rare live tripartite address by the leaders of UK US and Australia and they decide not to feed it livePro_Rata said:
Quite rigid for the News Channel not to break from the 10 o'clock news for it, but I wouldn't have led BBC1 with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:BBC are shocking not covering this live
Just on the news now.
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Grow a dick. We're all fucked unless we stand up to and contain China.northern_monkey said:They’re fucking mental. They’ve ripped us out of Europe and are now lashing us to the US in time for conflict with China. Fuck me. Hasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan taught them anything?
Entirely necessary and the right thing to do for the future of humanity, and you're a naïve idiot if you disagree.2 -
Good. There never should have been two consecutive U's there.CarlottaVance said:At least they've dropped that awkward "U" in AUKUS....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-us-and-australia-launch-new-security-partnership
Just like CANZUK if you can merge two names into one sharing a vowel then you do.0
