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Meanwhile, paging @ydoethur and others in the PB edu-posse. This is serious ravens-leaving-the-Tower-of-London stuff. So big it needs an international press conference to distract from it.
Bloody hell Nick Gibb's gone. I assume hell has actually frozen over?
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1438233786400088069?s=192 -
I wonder whether BJ has pre-briefed SKS.
On something like this it would perhaps be sensible.1 -
I know someone who will be very pleasedStuartinromford said:Meanwhile, paging @ydoethur and others in the PB edu-posse. This is serious ravens-leaving-the-Tower-of-London stuff. So big it needs an international press conference to distract from it.
Bloody hell Nick Gibb's gone. I assume hell has actually frozen over?
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1438233786400088069?s=191 -
Really odd how tv news is just ignoring this impending announcement. And basically all the print media websites are keeping quiet on what it’s about.1
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More likely the threat to China that if they invade Taiwan, we will all be very cross.MaxPB said:
Maybe they're going to present evidence for the lab leak and form a new defence partnership to counter future threats from China.Philip_Thompson said:
I can't think of anything like this before. A triple heads of government presentation at short notice.moonshine said:Were this some sort of reaffirmation of the Anglo alliance, would we not have heard about it for months? Why the sudden announcement?
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Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.0
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What happens when she stops being a teen? Ritual sacrifice or abdication followed by a replacement selected Strictly/X Factor stylee?Leon said:
I still reckon they're re-uniting under the Crown but maybe they're skipping Charles and going straight to the new Queen Emma Raducanu, which is why it needs a pretty big build-upMrEd said:
Dilyn to become Joint Head of all three countries with Carrie as Regentrottenborough said:
Johnson's bridge to Ireland is going to be extended to Australia via San Fransisco?MrEd said:
Possibly but I don't see why that would not be a Defence Secretary announcement instead of Heads of Government. Which suggests something major.Casino_Royale said:
I suspect it probably isn't - just some extra defence cooperation and a political astatement - but I'm sure it will be interesting nonetheless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I wait to hear the detail but this could be a very dramatic development with lots of implications for NATO and othersCasino_Royale said:Hang on, this can't be true.
I keep being told our foreign policy is finished after Brexit and the advantage is wholly with the EU.
And this from Joe Biden not Trump
Fine by me. A really Hot Teen Queen (to be known as HTQ from now on)0 -
Its like counting to 3 to a child then wondering what you do when you say 3 and they don't react.Mexicanpete said:
More likely the threat to China that if they invade Taiwan, we will all be very cross.MaxPB said:
Maybe they're going to present evidence for the lab leak and form a new defence partnership to counter future threats from China.Philip_Thompson said:
I can't think of anything like this before. A triple heads of government presentation at short notice.moonshine said:Were this some sort of reaffirmation of the Anglo alliance, would we not have heard about it for months? Why the sudden announcement?
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Nor BBCPhilip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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What’s your guess then?Philip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.
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Its this awfully named AUUKUS agreement but I'm not sure why that needs heads of government announcing it on TV like this.moonshine said:
What’s your guess then?Philip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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Nothing whatsoever trending on Twitter eitherBig_G_NorthWales said:
Nor BBCPhilip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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Getting your hopes up?moonshine said:Really odd how tv news is just ignoring this impending announcement. And basically all the print media websites are keeping quiet on what it’s about.
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This story is either far bigger than anyone can imagine or the dampest of damp squibs.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nor BBCPhilip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
Very strange
Not long to go.0 -
Presumably some will still use HTG with “Teen” replaced by “Twenties”Theuniondivvie said:
What happens when she stops being a teen? Ritual sacrifice or abdication followed by a replacement selected Strictly/X Factor stylee?Leon said:
I still reckon they're re-uniting under the Crown but maybe they're skipping Charles and going straight to the new Queen Emma Raducanu, which is why it needs a pretty big build-upMrEd said:
Dilyn to become Joint Head of all three countries with Carrie as Regentrottenborough said:
Johnson's bridge to Ireland is going to be extended to Australia via San Fransisco?MrEd said:
Possibly but I don't see why that would not be a Defence Secretary announcement instead of Heads of Government. Which suggests something major.Casino_Royale said:
I suspect it probably isn't - just some extra defence cooperation and a political astatement - but I'm sure it will be interesting nonetheless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I wait to hear the detail but this could be a very dramatic development with lots of implications for NATO and othersCasino_Royale said:Hang on, this can't be true.
I keep being told our foreign policy is finished after Brexit and the advantage is wholly with the EU.
And this from Joe Biden not Trump
Fine by me. A really Hot Teen Queen (to be known as HTQ from now on)0 -
Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI0 -
I'm willing to bet it is not UFOs. Sadly. Coz that would be enormous funmoonshine said:
Nothing whatsoever trending on Twitter eitherBig_G_NorthWales said:
Nor BBCPhilip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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An emergency presser just for Beijing while it’s 5am in BeijingFarooq said:
Sorry, but I though it was known to be about technology sharing with Australia. Probably making a big deal to show China the Pacific isn't theirs. I feel like it's a presser for Beijing's eyes more than ours.moonshine said:Really odd how tv news is just ignoring this impending announcement. And basically all the print media websites are keeping quiet on what it’s about.
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Quite right that the military shouldn't go launching the weapons by themselves without checks.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
Nor should the President.
If the President goes crazy the military absolutely has the duty to double-check with other relevant people before following through with such madness just because a deranged individual is telling them to send the weapons flying.1 -
Man City game is also a bit of a goal fest......5-3....0
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What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!0 -
Fingers crossed it all goes well. The rescues on the tv programme are often terrifying.Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI1 -
Well, these primary school kids, they will keep drifting out to sea on inflatable swans at 9:45 at night...Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI2 -
I hope it’s not UFOs. I mean it would be nice to have been right and all. But I’ve thought about it deeply for quite a long time now. And it would make me sick to my stomach. I’ve had an unpleasant racing heart for an hour just on the off chance it really is.turbotubbs said:
Getting your hopes up?moonshine said:Really odd how tv news is just ignoring this impending announcement. And basically all the print media websites are keeping quiet on what it’s about.
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I take it that the Tweeter in the header is actually reliable?moonshine said:
Nothing whatsoever trending on Twitter eitherBig_G_NorthWales said:
Nor BBCPhilip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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Don’t they also get a visit from the minister for magic?Farooq said:
For a little extra flavour, there's often talk when a new PM comes in about "the letter" they have to write: instructions to the subs about what to do if "contact is lost", i.e. a surprise attack has taken out the UK government thoroughly enough that no instructions on whether to retaliate or not. The contents of the letter are kept secret.MrEd said:
Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.2 -
Thanks and they never know what they may faceturbotubbs said:
Fingers crossed it all goes well. The rescues on the tv programme are often terrifying.Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI0 -
spooky0
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Sky just referenced it in an interview with Tobias Elwood(?). But aren’t really talking about it. There’s an embargo that seems to be holding.Stark_Dawning said:
I take it that the Tweeter in the header is actually reliable?moonshine said:
Nothing whatsoever trending on Twitter eitherBig_G_NorthWales said:
Nor BBCPhilip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
Very strange0 -
Chinese warships off Anglesey?Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI0 -
Actually, nothing per se except I’ve never known anyone in Media who actually has the degree. Maybe I’ve missed them but I wonder where they go to.Mexicanpete said:
What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!0 -
Yes, which is why I thought the subs just couldn’t launch them by themselves but they obviously can. Quite scary.Farooq said:
For a little extra flavour, there's often talk when a new PM comes in about "the letter" they have to write: instructions to the subs about what to do if "contact is lost", i.e. a surprise attack has taken out the UK government thoroughly enough that no instructions on whether to retaliate or not. The contents of the letter are kept secret.MrEd said:
Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.0 -
This had better be worth staying up until 1am to watch.williamglenn said:Here's the link to the White House feed for the BoJoScoMoJoBi announcement.
Jhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM0S8OwNiFY0 -
Just when the cabinet couldn’t be more rancid up pops the clueless Dorries to head Culture . The only qualifications needed to be in the cabinet from hell is to be a Bozo boot licker and member of the Brexit Unicorn cult .
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Media Studies is just a new version of English that incorporates more than the written page.Mexicanpete said:
What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!2 -
The agreement might not need a big telly announcement, but at least two of the heads of government could do with a chance to do a big announcement with lots of flags.Philip_Thompson said:
Its this awfully named AUUKUS agreement but I'm not sure why that needs heads of government announcing it on TV like this.moonshine said:
What’s your guess then?Philip_Thompson said:Got the game on my laptop and Sky News in the background on the TV, but Sky just seem to be talking about the reshuffle still, not a hint from them of the PM speaking with POTUS and Aussie PM as far as I've seen.
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It may be more serious than thatMexicanpete said:
Chinese warships off Anglesey?Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI1 -
It sounds great to me.Farooq said:
I don't actually know what people study in Media Studies. Has anyone here genuinely studied it? I'll bet there's something cool in there.Mexicanpete said:
What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!0 -
10 more minutes won’t hurt...Sandpit said:
This had better be worth staying up until 1am to watch.williamglenn said:Here's the link to the White House feed for the BoJoScoMoJoBi announcement.
Jhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM0S8OwNiFY0 -
Its not going on for 3 hours is it !!!Sandpit said:
This had better be worth staying up until 1am to watch.williamglenn said:Here's the link to the White House feed for the BoJoScoMoJoBi announcement.
Jhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM0S8OwNiFY0 -
I think He Who Must Not Be Named is in charge of nuclear armageddon.turbotubbs said:
Don’t they also get a visit from the minister for magic?Farooq said:
For a little extra flavour, there's often talk when a new PM comes in about "the letter" they have to write: instructions to the subs about what to do if "contact is lost", i.e. a surprise attack has taken out the UK government thoroughly enough that no instructions on whether to retaliate or not. The contents of the letter are kept secret.MrEd said:
Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.0 -
As far as I can tell every major stock market will be shut at 10 pm uk.1
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Quite the result for Bruges0
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I just watched the NASA chief's interview. You're right, he is basically saying Yes, these are very likely some form of alien techmoonshine said:
I hope it’s not UFOs. I mean it would be nice to have been right and all. But I’ve thought about it deeply for quite a long time now. And it would make me sick to my stomach. I’ve had an unpleasant racing heart for an hour just on the off chance it really is.turbotubbs said:
Getting your hopes up?moonshine said:Really odd how tv news is just ignoring this impending announcement. And basically all the print media websites are keeping quiet on what it’s about.
Which is pretty fucking extraordinary, and yet we shrug
I've taken my eye off this story as I've regained my life - fun and bars and travel and the like. But, wow0 -
I suspect you don't move in Labour Party circles. I expect they all have them at Southside.MrEd said:
Actually, nothing per se except I’ve never known anyone in Media who actually has the degree. Maybe I’ve missed them but I wonder where they go to.Mexicanpete said:
What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!0 -
Not in the 8 knots of wind max we are getting tonight. WAFI who doesn't know basic engine maintenance is my guess.turbotubbs said:
Fingers crossed it all goes well. The rescues on the tv programme are often terrifying.Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
However, he has just had a shout by the RNLI0 -
It inevitably won't be. I expect it will be a reannouncement of stuff we already know plus some stuff about the special relationship, old alliances etc... Very little tangible policy shifts from any of the three just empty words intended to scare China.Sandpit said:
This had better be worth staying up until 1am to watch.williamglenn said:Here's the link to the White House feed for the BoJoScoMoJoBi announcement.
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But not just very cross, actually willing to defend Taiwan.Mexicanpete said:
More likely the threat to China that if they invade Taiwan, we will all be very cross.MaxPB said:
Maybe they're going to present evidence for the lab leak and form a new defence partnership to counter future threats from China.Philip_Thompson said:
I can't think of anything like this before. A triple heads of government presentation at short notice.moonshine said:Were this some sort of reaffirmation of the Anglo alliance, would we not have heard about it for months? Why the sudden announcement?
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I mean that’s fine, you were busy having sex with (at least?) two women after all.Leon said:
I just watched the NASA chief's interview. You're right, he is basically saying Yes, these are very likely some form of alien techmoonshine said:
I hope it’s not UFOs. I mean it would be nice to have been right and all. But I’ve thought about it deeply for quite a long time now. And it would make me sick to my stomach. I’ve had an unpleasant racing heart for an hour just on the off chance it really is.turbotubbs said:
Getting your hopes up?moonshine said:Really odd how tv news is just ignoring this impending announcement. And basically all the print media websites are keeping quiet on what it’s about.
Which is pretty fucking extraordinary, and yet we shrug
I've taken my eye off this story as I've regained my life - fun and bars and travel and the like. But, wow
But yes, they now have their cover don't they. “We didn’t lie and cover it up! We fucking told you! What more did you want from us!?”0 -
Absolutely agree with that. Believe it or not, I don’t want nuclear war.Philip_Thompson said:
Quite right that the military shouldn't go launching the weapons by themselves without checks.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
Nor should the President.
If the President goes crazy the military absolutely has the duty to double-check with other relevant people before following through with such madness just because a deranged individual is telling them to send the weapons flying.
However, if this is a comment on my Milley point, I’ll reiterate - Milley wasn’t told by Trump to launch an attack nor were there any suggestions given but instead believed it could happen - without consulting anyone - and then acted on his own.
If you want to flip examples, let’s do a roll play scenario in 2017 where Michael Flynn is Chief of Staff and HRC is President. Flynn believes HRC is going to attack Russia over its Crimea behaviour and thinks she is going too far. He therefore takes steps to make sure HRC cant launch the missies even though she has given no direct orders to do so. Is he right to take action?0 -
I quite liked the 'first day' for President Hayes in Stargate SG1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aONj0D4TJoturbotubbs said:
Don’t they also get a visit from the minister for magic?Farooq said:
For a little extra flavour, there's often talk when a new PM comes in about "the letter" they have to write: instructions to the subs about what to do if "contact is lost", i.e. a surprise attack has taken out the UK government thoroughly enough that no instructions on whether to retaliate or not. The contents of the letter are kept secret.MrEd said:
Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.
Great victory for Liverpool and Sky just acknowledging the announcement live after the ads now.2 -
It’s 1am for me, I’m three time zones ahead of most of you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Its not going on for 3 hours is it !!!Sandpit said:
This had better be worth staying up until 1am to watch.williamglenn said:Here's the link to the White House feed for the BoJoScoMoJoBi announcement.
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Sky
PM security announcement next0 -
Do the Chinese get scared by empty words? I know they stand up to paper tigers.0
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YesMrEd said:
Absolutely agree with that. Believe it or not, I don’t want nuclear war.Philip_Thompson said:
Quite right that the military shouldn't go launching the weapons by themselves without checks.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
Nor should the President.
If the President goes crazy the military absolutely has the duty to double-check with other relevant people before following through with such madness just because a deranged individual is telling them to send the weapons flying.
However, if this is a comment on my Milley point, I’ll reiterate - Milley wasn’t told by Trump to launch an attack nor were there any suggestions given but instead believed it could happen - without consulting anyone - and then acted on his own.
If you want to flip examples, let’s do a roll play scenario in 2017 where Michael Flynn is Chief of Staff and HRC is President. Flynn believes HRC is going to attack Russia over its Crimea behaviour and thinks she is going too far. He therefore takes steps to make sure HRC cant launch the missies even though she has given no direct orders to do so. Is he right to take action?1 -
I certainly don’t although, believe it or not (and I suspect you won’t), I was a member years back. God, there were some boring meetings .Mexicanpete said:
I suspect you don't move in Labour Party circles. I expect they all have them at Southside.MrEd said:
Actually, nothing per se except I’ve never known anyone in Media who actually has the degree. Maybe I’ve missed them but I wonder where they go to.Mexicanpete said:
What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!0 -
It’s quite the incentive to reach the heights of PM or president, just to see exactly what you do get told on day one...Philip_Thompson said:
I quite liked the 'first day' for President Hayes in Stargate SG1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aONj0D4TJoturbotubbs said:
Don’t they also get a visit from the minister for magic?Farooq said:
For a little extra flavour, there's often talk when a new PM comes in about "the letter" they have to write: instructions to the subs about what to do if "contact is lost", i.e. a surprise attack has taken out the UK government thoroughly enough that no instructions on whether to retaliate or not. The contents of the letter are kept secret.MrEd said:
Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.
Great victory for Liverpool and Sky just acknowledging the announcement live after the ads now.2 -
Here we go. Remember this moment. It could change your life...0
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Thank you. Clear cut.Foxy said:
YesMrEd said:
Absolutely agree with that. Believe it or not, I don’t want nuclear war.Philip_Thompson said:
Quite right that the military shouldn't go launching the weapons by themselves without checks.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
Nor should the President.
If the President goes crazy the military absolutely has the duty to double-check with other relevant people before following through with such madness just because a deranged individual is telling them to send the weapons flying.
However, if this is a comment on my Milley point, I’ll reiterate - Milley wasn’t told by Trump to launch an attack nor were there any suggestions given but instead believed it could happen - without consulting anyone - and then acted on his own.
If you want to flip examples, let’s do a roll play scenario in 2017 where Michael Flynn is Chief of Staff and HRC is President. Flynn believes HRC is going to attack Russia over its Crimea behaviour and thinks she is going too far. He therefore takes steps to make sure HRC cant launch the missies even though she has given no direct orders to do so. Is he right to take action?0 -
He feared the POTUS could order a nuclear strike and did no more than make clear that anyone he could give the order to knew to double-check before sending the missiles.MrEd said:
Absolutely agree with that. Believe it or not, I don’t want nuclear war.Philip_Thompson said:
Quite right that the military shouldn't go launching the weapons by themselves without checks.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
Nor should the President.
If the President goes crazy the military absolutely has the duty to double-check with other relevant people before following through with such madness just because a deranged individual is telling them to send the weapons flying.
However, if this is a comment on my Milley point, I’ll reiterate - Milley wasn’t told by Trump to launch an attack nor were there any suggestions given but instead believed it could happen - without consulting anyone - and then acted on his own.
If you want to flip examples, let’s do a roll play scenario in 2017 where Michael Flynn is Chief of Staff and HRC is President. Flynn believes HRC is going to attack Russia over its Crimea behaviour and thinks she is going too far. He therefore takes steps to make sure HRC cant launch the missies even though she has given no direct orders to do so. Is he right to take action?
Absolutely that's entirely reasonable and nobody can object to that. He didn't say Trump couldn't order a strike, he just said that if an unprovoked first strike were ordered then rather than sending the missile it should be checked first.1 -
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Or a moment of nothing ...state_go_away said:a moment of history coming--
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Twitter going mad0
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Let's all link arms for auld lang syne in 5,4,3,2...1
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You mean the invasion could already be underway. I do hope Johnson gets to say "we will fight them on the beaches". He would have lived his life for that moment..Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may be more serious than thatMexicanpete said:
Chinese warships off Anglesey?Big_G_NorthWales said:Told my son about tonight's announcement which he is very interested in
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This could be hugeLeon said:Twitter going mad
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Of course its fucking not, its China.Leon said:Fuck. It is UFOs????
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It’s scary, very much so.turbotubbs said:
It’s quite the incentive to reach the heights of PM or president, just to see exactly what you do get told on day one...Philip_Thompson said:
I quite liked the 'first day' for President Hayes in Stargate SG1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aONj0D4TJoturbotubbs said:
Don’t they also get a visit from the minister for magic?Farooq said:
For a little extra flavour, there's often talk when a new PM comes in about "the letter" they have to write: instructions to the subs about what to do if "contact is lost", i.e. a surprise attack has taken out the UK government thoroughly enough that no instructions on whether to retaliate or not. The contents of the letter are kept secret.MrEd said:
Have to admit I thought that was barmy and must be wrong but you are right. I stand corrected.Foxy said:
Unlike the Americans, British Nukes are launched by the submarine crew, with no code required.MrEd said:
But with civilian authorisation. Correct me if I am wrong but, unless in extreme circumstances, the military can’t go launching nuclear missles by themselves.Foxy said:
Really?MrEd said:
Most sane - and true - liberal voters would see Milley’s actions as unjustified. And you still haven’t answered whether you would support Milley’s actions if a Democratic President was involved in a similar situation.ydoethur said:
Any sane person would see it as justified.MrEd said:
Stanislav Petrov is a bad example. He was the Duty Officer and made a decision that the alarm was probably false.rpjs said:
Nope, no-one elected Mark Milley but no-one elected Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov either, but we might not still be here if they hadn’t done what they did.MrEd said:Even if you do not like Trump, the second to last paragraph is spot on:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/elected-mark-milley-china-military/
And US military swear oaths to obey lawful orders from their superiors, and the bit about defending the Constitution comes first IIRC. Hard to defend a constitution if the country it constitutes is a pile of smoking rubble.
It is slightly different to telling your opposite number you will give them advance notice of an attack and consult no civilian on your actions.
As I said to @ydoethur the question is, if Milley did this to a Democrat President under the same circumstances or a similar situation, would you see it as similarly justified or say it is wrong?
I am aware this definition does not include most current Republican voters.
British nuclear weapon launching is under military rather than political control, I believe.
While I want the things scrapped, I would rather trust the Royal Naval officers, than politicians of any Party.
Bloody Hell.
Great victory for Liverpool and Sky just acknowledging the announcement live after the ads now.
One of the very first tasks of a new Prime Minister, is to write the Standing Orders letters to the Trident sub commanders.
Every single former PM, when asked what was the worst part of the job, has referred to an SAS mission abroad, many of which we don’t get to hear about, but where UK military lives were on the line to save others.0 -
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Evergreen comment. Its always been mad.Leon said:Twitter going mad
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Whitehouse link going live.0
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Australia-US -UK flags behind Morrison0
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Joe....joe.....the camera is on....0
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Aussies running this…0
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"That is why we intend to attack these mysterious craft"
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Nothing on the ten o’clock news whatsoever0
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And behind Biden too. Presumably behind Johnson but he's not on screen.Big_G_NorthWales said:Australia-US -UK flags behind Morrison
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4chEI8Q5PE0 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM0S8OwNiFYIshmaelZ said:
Where?Sandpit said:Whitehouse link going live.
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I used to go to ones in Camden in the 1980s. Surreal was the word I would use.MrEd said:
I certainly don’t although, believe it or not (and I suspect you won’t), I was a member years back. God, there were some boring meetings .Mexicanpete said:
I suspect you don't move in Labour Party circles. I expect they all have them at Southside.MrEd said:
Actually, nothing per se except I’ve never known anyone in Media who actually has the degree. Maybe I’ve missed them but I wonder where they go to.Mexicanpete said:
What's wrong with Media Studies? Of more practical modern day use than my Politics degree. I have never needed to use my encyclopaedic knowledge of Robert Nozick's political discourse for one moment during my working life.MrEd said:
Knew it was Media Studies though 😀Farooq said:
No, I'm not even a nice person if you must know. But I steer clear of fascist writers and supporting sex pest politicians, so there's always that.MrEd said:
Yes, yes, and I bet you go around telling everyone you are a good person who is a true democrat, and you can’t believe all the evil people in the world. As long as you vote for a person that you approve of.Farooq said:
I don't know everything. I only see things clearly that are plain to anyone with eyes. I have no great skill.MrEd said:
But you're a wrong 'un. I'm certain of that.
If you want to label all those who said they would vote Trump as wrong and evil, go ahead. I said at the time his post election behaviour was wrong.
We had a discussion on here the other day about whether Labour would ever win again. It’s individuals like you - and your attitude - who make that unlikely. Nobody likes the smug, superior type even if they do have a degree in Sociology or Media Studies
Oh and I got kicked off my Media Studies course, so I don't have a degree at all. Ha, bet you feel silly now!0 -
Trade deal with the US must followPhilip_Thompson said:
And behind Biden too. Presumably behind Johnson but he's not on screen.Big_G_NorthWales said:Australia-US -UK flags behind Morrison
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Its live on Sky.Anabobazina said:Nothing on the ten o’clock news whatsoever
The 3 flags are behind Boris too. Biden has the 3 flags repeatedly.0 -
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It's an announcement about possible later announcements.0
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Late again?Philip_Thompson said:
And behind Biden too. Presumably behind Johnson but he's not on screen.Big_G_NorthWales said:Australia-US -UK flags behind Morrison
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So not aliens then? Asking for a friend...MaxPB said:
It's live on Sky News. So far it's just Australia being brought into the US/UK defence industry sphere.Anabobazina said:Nothing on the ten o’clock news whatsoever
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The BBC seriously is a bag of shite.2 -
And people claim we need to pay for the BBC because its a public service broadcaster - and they've missed this? What a joke.DavidL said:BBC wittering on about the reshuffle. Truly bizarre. Completely lost the place.
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This is about China.3
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This is to replace NATO, or "augment" it1
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Gone to SkyNews which *does* have it.
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