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16/1Northern_Al said:
I wonder if Ben Wallace may resign once the immediate Afghan crisis is over? Reading between the lines, he seems fairly pissed off with Raab/FCO and with Boris (and/or Carrie), and he strikes me as if he may have a sense of honour/principle. Next Cabinet Minister out?TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906791 -
Syd made a pass at everyone.Benpointer said:
Pass on that one.bigjohnowls said:Carrie on up the Khyber with your animals
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Carrie’s barking.SandyRentool said:Good to see that British troops are showing the bulldog spirit in Kabul.
Keeping the terrierists at bay.
And not being America's poodle.
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Thanks. That's rather tempting.StuartDickson said:
16/1Northern_Al said:
I wonder if Ben Wallace may resign once the immediate Afghan crisis is over? Reading between the lines, he seems fairly pissed off with Raab/FCO and with Boris (and/or Carrie), and he strikes me as if he may have a sense of honour/principle. Next Cabinet Minister out?TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906791 -
The wee beaker is for Boris.Northern_Al said:
Looks like Boris is on duty tonight.Leon said:0 -
Though the Conservatives had a popular vote lead of 1.2% at the last election in 2019 so that is actually a slight swing to Trudeau's party.Andy_JS said:The Canadian Conservatives now have a lead of about 0.5% with the latest polls. New ones being published all the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_Canadian_federal_election#Campaign_period
O'Toole's party need to get to about 36/37% to be assured of most seats0 -
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1430582839834251266/photo/1
Ouch
Telegraph absolutely laying in to Biden in this carton
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Mr Wallace added that earlier this afternoon, he was told by officials that no such charter plane had been hired.Richard_Nabavi said:
Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679
And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
An MP on the call said that one had subsequently been paid for, but Mr Wallace shot back that "two hours ago when my officials talked to them, they had not secured a plane".0 -
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
And there will be people who lose out from this - and that will be painful, and that sucks. But ultimately, one needs to let the market decide. Otherwise, we will end up with swapping a modern economy for one favoured industries get government support by the back door.1 -
Former Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman is a relative, a great grand nephew, despite the fact he was a Liberal PMdixiedean said:
He was put into bat as a minority by Balfour, in sure and certain knowledge that his government would collapse, he'd be ousted, and the Tories returned with a stonking majority.ClippP said:
I thought Campbell Bannerman had a vastly larger number of seats at the 1906 election than poor old Johnson got in 2019.dixiedean said:
Campbell Bannerman wasn't great?Charles said:
No really awful ones. Russell and Campbell Bannermann weren’t great. Chamberlain had a lot of potential but was found wanting against a v tough testOmnium said:
You'd probably want to lop off about 5 years to their modern equivalents. Some of these were awful.ydoethur said:
Oldest PMs by age of departure from officeIanB2 said:
It is striking how US voters are willing to tolerate candidates way beyond the age at which most European countries would look for someone with a bit more energy.ydoethur said:
I think the problem (and I’ve said this before) come aback to the lack of profile among Democratic candidates. All three of Obama’s two Secretaries of State and vice-President were in their 60s/70s in 2016. There were simply no younger candidates forcing their way through. Of those three, apart from age, Kerry was already a failed candidate and Hilary Clinton was incredibly divisive. That left Biden carrying the torch. And he did it very well - he said all the right things - but he’s not showing what’s needed now to sort things out.rottenborough said:
Only Biden could have beaten Trump imho.Philip_Thompson said:Biden is an awful President who should never have won a primary let alone an election.
Still infinitely better than Trump. But the Democrats need to think hard on the primaries for 2024 or the GOP really will have an easy ride then (so long as they don't choose Trump again).
That was his one last job.
Somewhere, a younger candidate in their fifties should have been brought forward, perhaps by Biden or Kerry resigning and being replaced by somebody younger, somebody being groomed for the succession. Bad oversight by Obama that he didn’t do it.
I really don’t know whether the US clings onto some excessive respect for those with decades of experience, or whether the $-driven nature of US politics makes it difficult to get to the top of the greasy pole without decades of greasing the right palms and dispensing the right pork.
Gladstone 84
Palmerston 80
Churchill 80
Disraeli 75
Lord John Russell 73
Lord Salisbury 72
Campbell Bannerman 71
Neville Chamberlain 71
The Duke of Portland 71
Lord Aberdeen 71
Earl Grey 70
It is to my mind rather striking that only one of those was elected via a general election in the age of universal suffrage.
Equally, of course, Palmerston probably would have won elections under any franchise even in his seventies.
(And to be controversial, Chamberlain would easily have won an election in October 1938, although fortunately he had more sense than to call one.)
For ahame.
And yet the Tory cheerleaders never stop talking about Johnson's 80 seat majority.
If that is the criterion, Campbell Bannerman wins hands down.
Instead he gained 216 seats and a majority of 125.0 -
It appears that Taliban chokehold around KBL airport is increasing. More checkpoints around and on the approach roads to the airport and other exit points from the city.
Meanwhile extractions from the Kabul and from elsewhere appear to be ongoing. Ther British are still at it night on night but the most significant new information is that the CIA are heavilty involved in try to collect people. They've been at it in other less public parts of the country for some time but it news of their effort is now reaching the public domain.
If there is one outfit that knows its way around Afghanistan its probably the CIA. Long multi generational association dating back to the Soviet era, led the way in 2001 and had a very deep network in the country. They have some serious assets to get out, can operate with high degree of independence and will be less encumbered than the uniforms by the DOD rules & restrictions. Not least they wont always call mother to make a decision, a major criticism of the ground operations at the airport.
Ther advice from both the UK & US is do not come to the airport on security grounds. That includes citizens and Afghans who are eligible. Combine this with inceased Taliban presence and you wonder, apart from Agfghans who they are clearly blocking, papers or not, are the Taliban going to do their damnest to keep some westerners trying to get out, in?
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Just not funny clever or insightful.Floater said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1430582839834251266/photo/1
Ouch
Telegraph absolutely laying in to Biden in this carton1 -
It looks as if most books are shunning the next minister out market. I wonder if it is just too much hassle monitoring overnight rumours, or if there are too many complaints when a Cabinet reshuffle is settled as a ten-way dead heat.StuartDickson said:
16/1Northern_Al said:
I wonder if Ben Wallace may resign once the immediate Afghan crisis is over? Reading between the lines, he seems fairly pissed off with Raab/FCO and with Boris (and/or Carrie), and he strikes me as if he may have a sense of honour/principle. Next Cabinet Minister out?TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906790 -
Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
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Let the market decide… unless it hurts Tory core voters.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
And there will be people who lose out from this - and that will be painful, and that sucks. But ultimately, one needs to let the market decide. Otherwise, we will end up with swapping a modern economy for one favoured industries get government support by the back door.
Jocks, taffs and micks can be cleansed by the hurricane.0 -
Gawd, I’d forgotten Keith’s junky teeth..isam said:Bbc2 The Rolling Stones at the BBC
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Well...a story to appeal to Leon, perhaps. When I lived in Switzerland as a rising young IT executive in a very respectable, slightly stuffy pharmaceuticals company, I had a girlfriend who was up for anything, so long as she hadn't done it before. The only way to keep her more or less faithful was to think up new ideas, at least one a month.Leon said:
PossiblyNorthern_Al said:
Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?Leon said:This is the dullest thread in recent PB history
But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.
This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery
Come on PB, we can do better than this
I went to London on business, and wandered round Ann Summers, looking for something to amuse her, and lighted on some furry bright red metal handcuffs. They were briefly quite fashionable - I think you could buy them in supermarkets too. I thought this a suitable gift, and headed for the airport with them in my briefcase.
Where, of course, they set off the alarm. "What are these, Sir?" enquired the customs official politely.
"Uh...a toy for children playing policemen."
"I see, Sir. Yes. Well, we have to put them in the hold. You might use them to imprison the pilot."
"I really wouldn't."
"We can't take the chance" (twinkle in the eye).
So, when I got back to Basel airport, where there was an excellent chance of running into one or more colleagues, the luggage arrived and decanted onto the rondel. 50 or so suitcases. And one pair of furry handcuffs, with a huge label attached: "Dr Nicholas Palmer".
You never saw anyone grab his luggage so fast.
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We need to regard the EU as an essentially hostile powerCarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
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Yes. And it's a bit premature to put the Tories ahead. 338canada.com has LPC still projected ahead by 1.5%HYUFD said:
Though the Conservatives had a popular vote lead of 1.2% at the last election in 2019 so that is actually a slight swing to Trudeau's party.Andy_JS said:The Canadian Conservatives now have a lead of about 0.5% with the latest polls. New ones being published all the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_Canadian_federal_election#Campaign_period
O'Toole's party need to get to about 36/37% to be assured of most seats1 -
A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right0 -
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.0 -
Hah! Most unexpectedNickPalmer said:
Well...a story to appeal to Leon, perhaps. When I lived in Switzerland as a rising young IT executive in a very respectable, slightly stuffy pharmaceuticals company, I had a girlfriend who was up for anything, so long as she hadn't done it before. The only way to keep her more or less faithful was to think up new ideas, at least one a month.Leon said:
PossiblyNorthern_Al said:
Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?Leon said:This is the dullest thread in recent PB history
But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.
This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery
Come on PB, we can do better than this
I went to London on business, and wandered round Ann Summers, looking for something to amuse her, and lighted on some furry bright red metal handcuffs. They were briefly quite fashionable - I think you could buy them in supermarkets too. I thought this a suitable gift, and headed for the airport with them in my briefcase.
Where, of course, they set off the alarm. "What are these, Sir?" enquired the customs official politely.
"Uh...a toy for children playing policemen."
"I see, Sir. Yes. Well, we have to put them in the hold. You might use them to imprison the pilot."
"I really wouldn't."
"We can't take the chance" (twinkle in the eye).
So, when I got back to Basel airport, where there was an excellent chance of running into one or more colleagues, the luggage arrived and decanted onto the rondel. 50 or so suitcases. And one pair of furry handcuffs, with a huge label attached: "Dr Nicholas Palmer".
You never saw anyone grab his luggage so fast.
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Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=200 -
Another key announcement coming shortly is that the Government will be pursuing international data partnerships (adequacy agreements) with six countries, including US, South Korea and Australia.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
But long term it also wants India, Brazil, Indonesia and Kenya.
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Getting rid of the cookie cutter nonsense would be a benefit for Brexit all by itself. It's a completely stupid and infuriating PITA that literally serves no purpose whatsoever.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Deregulation or smarter regulations shouldn't be solely about increasing our protection it's not a simple linear scale where more protection is always a good thing with no downside at all.1 -
Longer term, ministers also hope to strike agreements with rapidly emerging markets such as Brazil and India, which will help facilitate cross-border data flows in everything from law enforcement, GPS navigation, scientific research, to online banking and retail.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/08/25/web-cookie-requests-red-tape-scrapped-post-brexit-data-revolution/
While other nations look to protect their citizens' data, HMG looks to give ours away. We will be less protected than our peers in China and Russia. Cross-border data flows in GPS navigation ffs!1 -
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy and the market economy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the west is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
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Surely this just means most companies will need to comply with two standards rather than one. If WIgan-based ACME plc has European customers, it will still need to comply with GDPR, aiui.Philip_Thompson said:
Getting rid of the cookie cutter nonsense would be a benefit for Brexit all by itself. It's a completely stupid and infuriating PITA that literally serves no purpose whatsoever.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Deregulation or smarter regulations shouldn't be solely about increasing our protection it's not a simple linear scale where more protection is always a good thing with no downside at all.1 -
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right0 -
Good.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Longer term, ministers also hope to strike agreements with rapidly emerging markets such as Brazil and India, which will help facilitate cross-border data flows in everything from law enforcement, GPS navigation, scientific research, to online banking and retail.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/08/25/web-cookie-requests-red-tape-scrapped-post-brexit-data-revolution/
While other nations look to protect their citizens' data, HMG looks to give ours away. We will be less protected than our peers in China and Russia. Cross-border data flows in GPS navigation ffs!
"Protection"ism doesn't work. Good riddance to that unscientific, backwards, halfarsed bullshit.
If "protecting" our data is a good idea then why the hell did you want it shared with the rest of Europe in the first place? Why's it OK to share data with Austria but not Australia? Italy but not India?0 -
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp0 -
If there is a reason why its worth doing then companies are quite capable of handling multiple forms of standards.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Surely this just means most companies will need to comply with two standards rather than one. If WIgan-based ACME plc has European customers, it will still need to comply with GDPR, aiui.Philip_Thompson said:
Getting rid of the cookie cutter nonsense would be a benefit for Brexit all by itself. It's a completely stupid and infuriating PITA that literally serves no purpose whatsoever.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Deregulation or smarter regulations shouldn't be solely about increasing our protection it's not a simple linear scale where more protection is always a good thing with no downside at all.
With smart databases nowadays customers data is handled differently depending upon which individual opt-ins etc the customer has chosen or not chosen, what data they've offered over or not offered over.
It won't be beyond the wit of ACME plc to have a field in their database marking which clients data has to meet GDPR standards and which clients data does not, then using the freedoms gained from no longer being in the GDPR quagmire to have better use of data as appropriate to British standards with the data that doesn't require to be GDPR compliant.
Plenty of companies across the globe already do this. Many American websites will treat GDPR and non-GDPR visibly differently while others will do more subtly.
If a company decides its too much fuss they might just go with the lowest common denominator which may be GDPR. That's their choice if so, but it gives freedom for others to have smarter choices. That can only be a good thing for ACME surely?0 -
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp1 -
I don't think HMG is proposing to stop sharing with Europe.Philip_Thompson said:
Good.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Longer term, ministers also hope to strike agreements with rapidly emerging markets such as Brazil and India, which will help facilitate cross-border data flows in everything from law enforcement, GPS navigation, scientific research, to online banking and retail.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/08/25/web-cookie-requests-red-tape-scrapped-post-brexit-data-revolution/
While other nations look to protect their citizens' data, HMG looks to give ours away. We will be less protected than our peers in China and Russia. Cross-border data flows in GPS navigation ffs!
"Protection"ism doesn't work. Good riddance to that unscientific, backwards, halfarsed bullshit.
If "protecting" our data is a good idea then why the hell did you want it shared with the rest of Europe in the first place? Why's it OK to share data with Austria but not Australia? Italy but not India?0 -
“The Left” frequently blame someone who hasn’t been in power for over three decades and dead for nearly one…DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp1 -
If I want to put an image here I go to https://imgbb.com/ and paste the image there, then copy the URL link to the image and embed it here. You can use the add image button and paste the link there.Leon said:
But it stopped working recentlyDecrepiterJohnL said:
Attach image button on the comment box?Leon said:How does one post pix on PB these days? Or is it basically verboten?
However I have now just attached an image and it works fine
BTW I would be impressed if any PB-er can guess what it shows0 -
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world0 -
Quite rightly it shouldn't. Nor should it only share with Europe we should be going beyond just Europe. Data is global, it takes microseconds to send data across the globe so why the heck would you only trade data with 6% of the world's population?DecrepiterJohnL said:
I don't think HMG is proposing to stop sharing with Europe.Philip_Thompson said:
Good.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Longer term, ministers also hope to strike agreements with rapidly emerging markets such as Brazil and India, which will help facilitate cross-border data flows in everything from law enforcement, GPS navigation, scientific research, to online banking and retail.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/08/25/web-cookie-requests-red-tape-scrapped-post-brexit-data-revolution/
While other nations look to protect their citizens' data, HMG looks to give ours away. We will be less protected than our peers in China and Russia. Cross-border data flows in GPS navigation ffs!
"Protection"ism doesn't work. Good riddance to that unscientific, backwards, halfarsed bullshit.
If "protecting" our data is a good idea then why the hell did you want it shared with the rest of Europe in the first place? Why's it OK to share data with Austria but not Australia? Italy but not India?
Either you take the view that sharing data is a good thing, in which case you should welcome the ability to have trade deals with India, USA, Australia and more - or you think its a bad thing in which case you should be looking to stop trading data with Italy, France, Germany etc
I can't think of a single non-racist reason to say we should be trading data of all things with Europeans but not non-Europeans. Do you have one?0 -
Oh, both sides yearn for things to row about, I wish they'd just acknowledge they both benefit from rowing all the time rather than getting uppity about it.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=200 -
Am I right in thinking Arsenal won a football match today?0
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That's politics. Gordon Brown was still trying the 'last tory government' line in his final year in office, unsuccessfully. The Tories will keep on using the 'last labour government' line as long as they possibly can - they'll use it in 2028/29 if they win the next GE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp0 -
A major western nation will, in the next 10-20 years, elect an outright Fascist government, to try and stop the decline. The USA already elected Trump once, and nearly did it again (and then tried a coup)HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Left has no idea of the demons it is invoking. Madness0 -
So who benefits? ACME plc now has to service an additional standard. It's more work for them, not less. And British end-users might lose out if foreign companies decide, as some American firms did with GDPR, that it is just too much hassle so they will block access from here.Philip_Thompson said:
If there is a reason why its worth doing then companies are quite capable of handling multiple forms of standards.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Surely this just means most companies will need to comply with two standards rather than one. If WIgan-based ACME plc has European customers, it will still need to comply with GDPR, aiui.Philip_Thompson said:
Getting rid of the cookie cutter nonsense would be a benefit for Brexit all by itself. It's a completely stupid and infuriating PITA that literally serves no purpose whatsoever.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Deregulation or smarter regulations shouldn't be solely about increasing our protection it's not a simple linear scale where more protection is always a good thing with no downside at all.
With smart databases nowadays customers data is handled differently depending upon which individual opt-ins etc the customer has chosen or not chosen, what data they've offered over or not offered over.
It won't be beyond the wit of ACME plc to have a field in their database marking which clients data has to meet GDPR standards and which clients data does not, then using the freedoms gained from no longer being in the GDPR quagmire to have better use of data as appropriate to British standards with the data that doesn't require to be GDPR compliant.
Plenty of companies across the globe already do this. Many American websites will treat GDPR and non-GDPR visibly differently while others will do more subtly.
If a company decides its too much fuss they might just go with the lowest common denominator which may be GDPR. That's their choice if so, but it gives freedom for others to have smarter choices. That can only be a good thing for ACME surely?1 -
The cookie business is an obvious 'win', and a lot of the GDPR stuff comes across as pointlessly bureaucratic, but whatever the joy of the first, it's no guarantee that overhauling the rules in general will resolve the second. Given how governments generally act we can look forward to multiple annoying requirements.Philip_Thompson said:
Getting rid of the cookie cutter nonsense would be a benefit for Brexit all by itself. It's a completely stupid and infuriating PITA that literally serves no purpose whatsoever.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Deregulation or smarter regulations shouldn't be solely about increasing our protection it's not a simple linear scale where more protection is always a good thing with no downside at all.0 -
Even in America, the right controlled the White House (and Congress) until this year.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world0 -
Housing needs to be more free market, but we also have to recognise that building (whether houses or chemical plants or football stadiums) results in negative (and positive) externalities.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.
If I build a 400 home housing development on the edge of your village, you will find that the roads will suddenly become jammed and the schools full. Likewise, if I build a chemical refinery next door to your house, you may suddenly find your street very smelly.1 -
On the subject of GDPR, at PythonAnywhere we have two different services:
eu.pythonanywhere.com, where everything is hosted in the EU, and it is GDPR compliant.
and
www.pythonanywhere.com, where everything is hosted in the US, and it is California Consumer Protection Act compliant. Yeah... you basically take the most restrictive laws, and they end up setting it for everybody. Because it's less hassle than having michigan.pythonanywhere.com
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The Left is in power, culturally, across the West. This is absurd to denyDecrepiterJohnL said:
Even in America, the right controlled the White House (and Congress) until this year.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world
The modern indentitarian Left is the source of the corrosive self-hatred which governs virtually all our institutions. Various rightwing governments have feebly kicked back, with Trump as the most potent and unpleasant manifestation
We will see far far worse than Trump, within 2 decades0 -
The ironic thing is the people driving this are not the real elite in the United States. They are the wannabe elite. People who think that by being ultra-Woke they'll impress the people at the top so much that they'll be allowed to become a member of the real elite. In fact the people right at the top probably don't care that much, so they may be wasting their time.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right0 -
Trump's politics were identarian politics.Leon said:
The Left is in power, culturally, across the West. This is absurd to denyDecrepiterJohnL said:
Even in America, the right controlled the White House (and Congress) until this year.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world
The modern indentitarian Left is the source of the corrosive self-hatred which governs virtually all our institutions. Various rightwing governments have feebly kicked back, with Trump as the most potent and unpleasant manifestation
We will see far far worse than Trump, within 2 decades
One doesn't fight Left Wing identarian politics with Right Win identarian politics. One fights it with non-identarian politics.2 -
But exactly. By saying "all whites are intrinsically racist" you won't get endless white people saying Sorry, you will get a ton of White Pride and White Supremacism. You will get Trump, but worsercs1000 said:
Trump's politics were identarian politics.Leon said:
The Left is in power, culturally, across the West. This is absurd to denyDecrepiterJohnL said:
Even in America, the right controlled the White House (and Congress) until this year.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world
The modern indentitarian Left is the source of the corrosive self-hatred which governs virtually all our institutions. Various rightwing governments have feebly kicked back, with Trump as the most potent and unpleasant manifestation
We will see far far worse than Trump, within 2 decades
One doesn't fight Left Wing identarian politics with Right Win identarian politics. One fights it with non-identarian politics.
By saying "all that matters is the colour of your skin" you get white people saying, OK, I'm fucking white, deal with it, and "I will vote for Worse-Than-Trump"
I genuinely fear that it is too late to step back from this. America sets the pace, but the rest of the West is following. Look at the popularity of the Hard Right in France. Marine le Pen is the most popular politician in France, amongst those aged..... 24-35
A vicious fascistic backlash is building, in the West. The Left stokes it, daily and gaily, without realising the certain nightmares ahead. Partly because "progressive causes" have advanced without any serious pushback for five decades (and they have done much good thereby). But now the advance must end or we will all be fucked2 -
A 400 home development is unlikely to suddenly jam up all the roads, since besides not generating huge traffic it will include a transport assessment by the local Highways Authority as a routine part of the planning process, and if it will result in too much congestion the PP would be refused, or suitably mitigated.rcs1000 said:
Housing needs to be more free market, but we also have to recognise that building (whether houses or chemical plants or football stadiums) results in negative (and positive) externalities.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.
If I build a 400 home housing development on the edge of your village, you will find that the roads will suddenly become jammed and the schools full. Likewise, if I build a chemical refinery next door to your house, you may suddenly find your street very smelly.
The applicant will have to spend many thousands on a suitable study.
I've done it, though for sonething slightly smaller.
Ditto schools - if there is no capacity they will have to pay for necessary extra school places to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions, and the education authority will make provision. Education is - beside affforable housing - often the largest chunk of a Section 106 agreement.0 -
What planning permission? Surely the assumption was that in creating a completely free market, this would have been abolished. Unless I've missed the point.MattW said:
A 400 home development is unlikely to suddenly jam up all the roads, since besides not generating huge traffic it will include a transport assessment by the local Highways Authority as a routine part of the planning process, and if it will result in too much congestion the PP would be refused, or suitably mitigated.rcs1000 said:
Housing needs to be more free market, but we also have to recognise that building (whether houses or chemical plants or football stadiums) results in negative (and positive) externalities.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.
If I build a 400 home housing development on the edge of your village, you will find that the roads will suddenly become jammed and the schools full. Likewise, if I build a chemical refinery next door to your house, you may suddenly find your street very smelly.
The applicant will have to spend many thousands on a suitable study.
I've done it, though for sonething slightly smaller.
Ditto schools - if there is no capacity they will have to pay for necessary extra school places to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions, and the education authority will make provision. Education is - beside affforable housing - often the largest chunk of a Section 106 agreement.0 -
The analogy is correct in that criminal allegations are being pursued by civil means. Though I'll give you that the Nirvana one seems more speculative.Theuniondivvie said:
Apart from Giuffre actually being sexually exploited, whether with the participation of the Duke of York or not.MattW said:
US claims like this are a game of poker, as we know.kle4 said:
Shades of Virginia Giuffre.
As far as I am aware, for Giuffre so far we have a lot of allegations, one set of claims in a criminal case excluded from the case by the Court, lots of media shouting, two or three civil cases, and a couple of out of Court settlements. So no rulings on the truth of Giuffre's allegations, and in law no basis afaics for your statement. Open to correction if I am wrong on any of that.
And that's leaving aside that many criminal verdicts in US courts seem highly questionable as they are plea bargains. eg Personally I have no faith in the verdict in the NatWest Three (Enron) case, as the process seemed to impose a far greater potential punishment than the sentence they accepted by plea bargain.
And that is because the US 'justice' system is fundamentally abusive.
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That's was - indeed - exactly my point.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What planning permission? Surely the assumption was that in creating a completely free market, this would have been abolished. Unless I've missed the point.MattW said:
A 400 home development is unlikely to suddenly jam up all the roads, since besides not generating huge traffic it will include a transport assessment by the local Highways Authority as a routine part of the planning process, and if it will result in too much congestion the PP would be refused, or suitably mitigated.rcs1000 said:
Housing needs to be more free market, but we also have to recognise that building (whether houses or chemical plants or football stadiums) results in negative (and positive) externalities.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.
If I build a 400 home housing development on the edge of your village, you will find that the roads will suddenly become jammed and the schools full. Likewise, if I build a chemical refinery next door to your house, you may suddenly find your street very smelly.
The applicant will have to spend many thousands on a suitable study.
I've done it, though for sonething slightly smaller.
Ditto schools - if there is no capacity they will have to pay for necessary extra school places to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions, and the education authority will make provision. Education is - beside affforable housing - often the largest chunk of a Section 106 agreement.1 -
I interpreted it as not quite that pure a proposal.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What planning permission? Surely the assumption was that in creating a completely free market, this would have been abolished. Unless I've missed the point.MattW said:
A 400 home development is unlikely to suddenly jam up all the roads, since besides not generating huge traffic it will include a transport assessment by the local Highways Authority as a routine part of the planning process, and if it will result in too much congestion the PP would be refused, or suitably mitigated.rcs1000 said:
Housing needs to be more free market, but we also have to recognise that building (whether houses or chemical plants or football stadiums) results in negative (and positive) externalities.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.
If I build a 400 home housing development on the edge of your village, you will find that the roads will suddenly become jammed and the schools full. Likewise, if I build a chemical refinery next door to your house, you may suddenly find your street very smelly.
The applicant will have to spend many thousands on a suitable study.
I've done it, though for sonething slightly smaller.
Ditto schools - if there is no capacity they will have to pay for necessary extra school places to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions, and the education authority will make provision. Education is - beside affforable housing - often the largest chunk of a Section 106 agreement.
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To a large extent wokeness is driven by corporate America anxious not to offend potential customers. My guess would be they are mostly run by a mix of libertarian Republicans and country-club Republicans.Andy_JS said:
The ironic thing is the people driving this are not the real elite in the United States. They are the wannabe elite. People who think that by being ultra-Woke they'll impress the people at the top so much that they'll be allowed to become a member of the real elite. In fact the people right at the top probably don't care that much, so they may be wasting their time.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right0 -
The animals of Farthing would like a wordStuartDickson said:
Carrie’s barking.SandyRentool said:Good to see that British troops are showing the bulldog spirit in Kabul.
Keeping the terrierists at bay.
And not being America's poodle.0 -
Arsenal did win but a cup match so in the league, Arsenal are still pointless (and West Ham remain table-toppers).rcs1000 said:Am I right in thinking Arsenal won a football match today?
In the cricket, Notts lost in the T20 despite trading at 1.01.0 -
Most country club Republicans are now reluctant Democrats.DecrepiterJohnL said:
To a large extent wokeness is driven by corporate America anxious not to offend potential customers. My guess would be they are mostly run by a mix of libertarian Republicans and country-club Republicans.Andy_JS said:
The ironic thing is the people driving this are not the real elite in the United States. They are the wannabe elite. People who think that by being ultra-Woke they'll impress the people at the top so much that they'll be allowed to become a member of the real elite. In fact the people right at the top probably don't care that much, so they may be wasting their time.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right0 -
All of the good parts of left wing identitarian politics (bringing focus to unfair disparities etc) can be done from a traditional liberal democratic framework, while also avoiding all the worst parts of it.rcs1000 said:
Trump's politics were identarian politics.Leon said:
The Left is in power, culturally, across the West. This is absurd to denyDecrepiterJohnL said:
Even in America, the right controlled the White House (and Congress) until this year.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world
The modern indentitarian Left is the source of the corrosive self-hatred which governs virtually all our institutions. Various rightwing governments have feebly kicked back, with Trump as the most potent and unpleasant manifestation
We will see far far worse than Trump, within 2 decades
One doesn't fight Left Wing identarian politics with Right Win identarian politics. One fights it with non-identarian politics.0 -
Clear to see you’re not a politician.rcs1000 said:
That was - indeed - exactly my point.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What planning permission? Surely the assumption was that in creating a completely free market, this would have been abolished. Unless I've missed the point.MattW said:
A 400 home development is unlikely to suddenly jam up all the roads, since besides not generating huge traffic it will include a transport assessment by the local Highways Authority as a routine part of the planning process, and if it will result in too much congestion the PP would be refused, or suitably mitigated.rcs1000 said:
Housing needs to be more free market, but we also have to recognise that building (whether houses or chemical plants or football stadiums) results in negative (and positive) externalities.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely we should have a free market in housing, just like we should have a free market in food.IshmaelZ said:
And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
If there's a shortage of housing then companies will act to build new ones until the demand is satiated. Sorted.
Let the market and free acting individuals determine what they find a better use of land: agriculture, residential or A N Other purpose. No need for the state to regulate or interfere.
If I build a 400 home housing development on the edge of your village, you will find that the roads will suddenly become jammed and the schools full. Likewise, if I build a chemical refinery next door to your house, you may suddenly find your street very smelly.
The applicant will have to spend many thousands on a suitable study.
I've done it, though for sonething slightly smaller.
Ditto schools - if there is no capacity they will have to pay for necessary extra school places to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions, and the education authority will make provision. Education is - beside affforable housing - often the largest chunk of a Section 106 agreement.0 -
Bonkers. Stark raving bonkers.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world5 -
Do you disagree that the left are in charge in the USA? Particularly the cultural left.StuartDickson said:
Bonkers. Stark raving bonkers.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world1 -
the idea that the "cultural left" (a vague term if I ever heard it) is in charge of the USA is a strange one - judiciary - dominated by a legal system funded by big business, Congress - dominated by PACs funded again by businesses and lobbies such as Israel supporters and religious groups, a President with only a marginal grip on Senate and HofRs (thats up for grabs in 15 months time... and as for the military, police and security agencies... absolutely no evidence of being run by cultural left.,... I for one completely disagree with the idea that the "cultural left are in charge"...Andy_JS said:
Do you disagree that the left are in charge in the USA? Particularly the cultural left.StuartDickson said:
Bonkers. Stark raving bonkers.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world4 -
Yes.Andy_JS said:
Do you disagree that the left are in charge in the USA? Particularly the cultural left.StuartDickson said:
Bonkers. Stark raving bonkers.HYUFD said:
In the US the left are in power and the US is the most powerful western nation still by far but unwilling to stand up to China, Russia and jihadi Islam and for western values instead of trashing them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The left is not in power now. The blue team's been running the show for more than a decade. Oh look, something bad's happening. Let's blame "the left".HYUFD said:
More the left, particularly in the US, has abandoned the West.Leon said:
The West has abandoned the West. We are fuckedHYUFD said:
It may well end up being India who we need alongside us to revitalise western values of freedom and democracy if the US under Biden and indeed much of the rest of the world is giving up the fight and plunging into self absorbed trashing of its own culture and heritage.Leon said:A superbly pessimistic take on the Future of the West
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/25/four-mega-trends-condemn-west-irreversible-decline/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=415365_WEB-5012_morestories-recommended-for-you--mostpopular
He is absolutely right
They will not be in power forever, there will be a conservative counter reaction in due course, maybe a liberal one too.
JFK once inspired the world with these words on freedom, Biden has abandoned the fight but a future President will fight it again
'Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.'
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kennedy.asp
The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress and it is the woke left in the Democratic Party driving the agenda of hatred of western heritage and culture and Biden at the top leading US retreat from the world
Yes.1 -
Lowest levels of car production for any July since 1956, UK industry reports
UK carmakers made 53,400 vehicles in July, a 37.6% drop when compared with the same month in 2020, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)
Jaguar Land Rover and Nissan, the two largest manufacturers in the UK, have both previously been forced to cut production because of shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/26/lowest-levels-of-car-production-for-any-july-since-1956-uk-industry-reports0 -
No.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
And there will be people who lose out from this - and that will be painful, and that sucks. But ultimately, one needs to let the market decide. Otherwise, we will end up with swapping a modern economy for one favoured industries get government support by the back door.
I mean, yes, but I don't know any evidence that supermarkets are bloated behemoths which deserve to go to the free market wall. They operate on tight margins. Sure you can tighten them further, but the continued existence of tesco in the face of lidl shows that the market doesn't necessarily want them tightened further. Philip thinks all market solutions are good solutions, but the solution here is that he pays higher prices in a continuing to exist tesco or lidl. Not clear why he is cheering that.0 -
Wow.StuartDickson said:Lowest levels of car production for any July since 1956, UK industry reports
UK carmakers made 53,400 vehicles in July, a 37.6% drop when compared with the same month in 2020, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)
Jaguar Land Rover and Nissan, the two largest manufacturers in the UK, have both previously been forced to cut production because of shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/26/lowest-levels-of-car-production-for-any-july-since-1956-uk-industry-reports0 -
Food shortages are expected to get worse when new post-Brexit paperwork kicks in soon
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/worse-to-come0 -
How long before he leaves that rather nice apartment in the Barbican, that Unite got for him?rottenborough said:
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It should be added that these shortages are probably not Brexit-related, but due to the IC shortage bedevilling many industries.StuartDickson said:Lowest levels of car production for any July since 1956, UK industry reports
UK carmakers made 53,400 vehicles in July, a 37.6% drop when compared with the same month in 2020, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)
Jaguar Land Rover and Nissan, the two largest manufacturers in the UK, have both previously been forced to cut production because of shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/26/lowest-levels-of-car-production-for-any-july-since-1956-uk-industry-reports
Talking of which, Mrs J has a 7am conference call...0 -
Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +680 -
Sad to see, but the containment strategy has now clearly failed. They need to get everyone vaccinated yesterday, and people need to stay at home until it’s done.williamglenn said:Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +680 -
Aren't less cars and less food a good thing? I thought we had a problem with climate change and obesity...0
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BoZo cancels Christmas...
Ministers are resisting calls from the bosses of some of Britain’s biggest supermarkets for the relaxation of immigration rules to fill a large shortfall in lorry drivers amid warnings of product shortages at Christmas. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-eu-lorry-drivers-deliver-us-from-chaotic-christmas-shop-bosses-urge-6xzq0cgn5?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16299560350 -
There no single explanation.JosiasJessop said:
It should be added that these shortages are probably not Brexit-related, but due to the IC shortage bedevilling many industries.StuartDickson said:Lowest levels of car production for any July since 1956, UK industry reports
UK carmakers made 53,400 vehicles in July, a 37.6% drop when compared with the same month in 2020, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)
Jaguar Land Rover and Nissan, the two largest manufacturers in the UK, have both previously been forced to cut production because of shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/26/lowest-levels-of-car-production-for-any-july-since-1956-uk-industry-reports
Talking of which, Mrs J has a 7am conference call...
The IC shortage is a problem. JLR has been losing market share. And just in time inventory is still adjusting to Brexit.
Nevertheless, one has to acknowledge that car production in Germany has not been as badly hit. Total German playstation in July feel to 246,600 units from 247,400.0 -
We don't see many stories about it, but the same is true in China. They have major Delta issues across the country, and they are also far from fully vaccinated.Sandpit said:
Sad to see, but the containment strategy has now clearly failed. They need to get everyone vaccinated yesterday, and people need to stay at home until it’s done.williamglenn said:Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +680 -
No one is going to starve. Some people may pay slightly more for their food.Scott_xP said:Food shortages are expected to get worse when new post-Brexit paperwork kicks in soon
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/worse-to-come1 -
And if you want to do any business with the EU you have to comply anyway. C.f. the US alignment with EU/GDPR requirements. It's a total lack of understanding of the practicalities of international trade.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hard to see the upside – even if GDPR is a PITA, it is a trans-European PITA. And "allowing data to be used more flexibly" does not sound like the government will be increasing our protection.CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Let's hope they don't accidentally create *different* requirements which means we all end up having to meet two sets of regulation.3 -
those sunny uplands seem that little bit further than we were promised........rcs1000 said:
No one is going to starve. Some people may pay slightly more for their food.Scott_xP said:Food shortages are expected to get worse when new post-Brexit paperwork kicks in soon
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/worse-to-come1 -
Well, there's a surprise:
Dear Sir; my team & my animals are stuck at airport circle. We have a flight waiting. Can you please facilitate safe passage into the airport for our convoy?
@suhailshaheen1 We are an NGO who will come back to Afghanistan but right now I want to get everyone out safely.....
We have been here for 10 hours after being assured that we would have safe passage. Truly would like to go home now. Folded hands Let’s prove the IEA are taking a different path.
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Good morning everyone. 13.2degC and cloudy again. Lovely afternoon yesterday, sitting in a friends garden, drinking wine.
Never thought about Brexit, Afghanistan or anything like that......0 -
"Some" people = that subset of people which consumes food on a daily basis? "Slightly" = substantially for the many for whom pretty much any increase in outgoings is substantial?rcs1000 said:
No one is going to starve. Some people may pay slightly more for their food.Scott_xP said:Food shortages are expected to get worse when new post-Brexit paperwork kicks in soon
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/worse-to-come2 -
One thing I don't understand, I believe the animals in question are dogs and cats. The story we are being sold is they don't infringe on human space, they'll travel in the hold. If hold conditions are comfortable for dogs and cats they are comfortable for human beings, more of whom could travel on the plane if the animals are terminated. If hold conditions are not comfortable for dogs and cats this guy should be prosecuted for cruelty, and for being an utter arsehole.CarlottaVance said:Well, there's a surprise:
Dear Sir; my team & my animals are stuck at airport circle. We have a flight waiting. Can you please facilitate safe passage into the airport for our convoy?
@suhailshaheen1 We are an NGO who will come back to Afghanistan but right now I want to get everyone out safely.....
We have been here for 10 hours after being assured that we would have safe passage. Truly would like to go home now. Folded hands Let’s prove the IEA are taking a different path.
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I think the Australia figure is actually slightly over 1,100. 1,029 are in NSW. Several of the other States still have zero cases and are doing everything they can to keep it out. NSW has accepted that zero Covid is now impossible.Sandpit said:
Sad to see, but the containment strategy has now clearly failed. They need to get everyone vaccinated yesterday, and people need to stay at home until it’s done.williamglenn said:Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +68
NZ are still aiming for Zero Covid. Personally I think it has now gone too far for them to now get it under control.0 -
I assume 'playstation' should be 'production', or the conversation suddenly took an odd turn ...rcs1000 said:
There no single explanation.JosiasJessop said:
It should be added that these shortages are probably not Brexit-related, but due to the IC shortage bedevilling many industries.StuartDickson said:Lowest levels of car production for any July since 1956, UK industry reports
UK carmakers made 53,400 vehicles in July, a 37.6% drop when compared with the same month in 2020, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)
Jaguar Land Rover and Nissan, the two largest manufacturers in the UK, have both previously been forced to cut production because of shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/26/lowest-levels-of-car-production-for-any-july-since-1956-uk-industry-reports
Talking of which, Mrs J has a 7am conference call...
The IC shortage is a problem. JLR has been losing market share. And just in time inventory is still adjusting to Brexit.
Nevertheless, one has to acknowledge that car production in Germany has not been as badly hit. Total German playstation in July feel to 246,600 units from 247,400.
It'd be interesting to know if the German manufacturers are prioritising their German plants over their foreign ones.1 -
And their vaccines don't work very well. Which is a bit surprising given that they designed the virus in the first place.rcs1000 said:
We don't see many stories about it, but the same is true in China. They have major Delta issues across the country, and they are also far from fully vaccinated.Sandpit said:
Sad to see, but the containment strategy has now clearly failed. They need to get everyone vaccinated yesterday, and people need to stay at home until it’s done.williamglenn said:Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +681 -
"Very credible reporting of imminent attack (at Kabul airport)" - R4 - James Heappey, Armed Forces Minister.
There is an ongoing and high threat of terrorist attack. Do not travel to Kabul Hamid Karzai International Airport. If you are in the area of the airport, move away to a safe location and await further advice.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/afghanistan0 -
Whilst the EU GDPR laws are Fucking Stupid, our repeal of them is unlikely to be the start of the great spyware era. For all the major players how much faff is it to rewrite your code and permissions just for us?CarlottaVance said:Exclusive: Ministers are preparing to overhaul the EU GDPR rules and replace with new British data privacy laws
Oliver Dowden says will spell end to 'pointless' cookie requests and red tape for biz
But diverging threatens to spark fresh row with EU
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1430649157312819207?s=20
Are we doing this because we think we should, or because the likes of Dowden think we need another battle with the evil power?1 -
Because in all large bureaucracies different departments work so harmoniously together that "fingers of the same hand" is the metaphor which springs to mind.DavidL said:
And their vaccines don't work very well. Which is a bit surprising given that they designed the virus in the first place.rcs1000 said:
We don't see many stories about it, but the same is true in China. They have major Delta issues across the country, and they are also far from fully vaccinated.Sandpit said:
Sad to see, but the containment strategy has now clearly failed. They need to get everyone vaccinated yesterday, and people need to stay at home until it’s done.williamglenn said:Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +68
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Everything must be Brexified, at any cost.RochdalePioneers said:Are we doing this because we think we should, or because the likes of Dowden think we need another battle with the evil power?
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Pioneers, it sounds like a needless diversion that will get some headlines, make things worse, and distract attention from the more important matter of trying to get things on an even keel.1 -
Shit.CarlottaVance said:"Very credible reporting of imminent attack (at Kabul airport)" - R4 - James Heappey, Armed Forces Minister.
There is an ongoing and high threat of terrorist attack. Do not travel to Kabul Hamid Karzai International Airport. If you are in the area of the airport, move away to a safe location and await further advice.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/afghanistan
Now I can't sleep for thinking about those doggies and pussies.0 -
Brexit latest:
▪️Xmas supplies threatened by lack of lorry drivers
▪️Stocks in shops at lowest level since records began
▪️Worst supply chain disruption since 70s
▪️Foreign direct investment in UK halved
▪️Lack of agricultural workers leaves food rotting
And that’s just today
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/14306037166342840350 -
Although, the last time I discussed this with my son, he was still saying he had to have been jabbed with a Chinese vaccine before any (business) trip to China.I think, too that UK doesn't accept vaccination with Chinese vaccine as conferring immunity.DavidL said:
And their vaccines don't work very well. Which is a bit surprising given that they designed the virus in the first place.rcs1000 said:
We don't see many stories about it, but the same is true in China. They have major Delta issues across the country, and they are also far from fully vaccinated.Sandpit said:
Sad to see, but the containment strategy has now clearly failed. They need to get everyone vaccinated yesterday, and people need to stay at home until it’s done.williamglenn said:Cases in Australia and New Zealand are still going up:
Australia: +1,098
New Zealand: +68
Which means FOUR vaccinations for somewhat wants to visit both China and Britain/Europe.
Mr S, from the sandpit, may have further and better info, of course0
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