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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    Foxy said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Yes but puppies and kittens are more popular than asylum seekers, nailed on.
    How many genuine Afghan hounds have been saved?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 732
    Carnyx said:



    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    "Scottish Seafood Association chief Jimmy Buchan backed Brexit but now he thinks it’s an opportunity missed:

    ‘Obviously the landscape has changed. To me Brexit possibly did not deliver all that we wished for.’"

    "‘They need to allow us to take workers in without all the ridiculous red tape.’

    -Scot Burgess, Whitelink Seafoods."

    In other words - they want carte blanche to import even cheaper furriners.

    What do they have between their ears? Crab gills?
    My heart pumps custard for that bunch of parasites.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
    http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdf
    Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.

    Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.
    “The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”
    It's just not the case that 5m (say) below the ground the ambient temperature is 14c. (At least I think it isn't - Am looking online to find some evidence).
    Why shouldn't it be? It's been London for rather a long time - lots of tarmac, lots of insolation, lots of sweaty yuppies, etc. And see this.

    http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/512282/1/Submitted (again) to QJEGH endSept 2015.pdf
    In part because it's freezing cold in the winter on the first, or near to first, tube.

    Mainly though I just think that it isn't, and evidence one way or another seems to be tricky to find.
    I think that is because they park the trains in the open overnight. Also (depending on where you are) many underground trains run in the open air at the further out legs - eg Northern Line through Cricklewood (I do know that from visiting the RAF Museum).
    That's certainly true. However before you get on the train in the winter it can be very cold on the station. I'm nearly 100% certain that I'm right, but I can't find anything to prove it. I'm fairly sure you don't believe the natural ambient temperature of 14c anyway.

    If I find anything I'll PM you.
    That would also be because they have cold air coming in on the fans at night, and without the crowds and trains there's not so much heat to compensate. (In fact it's just as well it is cold in the morning so it takes longer to start cooking the self-loading cargo.)

    Sudden thought: are you talking about the shallow Underground such as Circle and District? Or the deep bored Tube such as the Bakerloo? The former could well be chillier. The latter is where the heat problem is at, AIUI.

    The 14c doesnt' sound off, certainly on the deeper (bored) Tube - there is definitely a thermal gradient. Heat pumps for home heating, remember?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,232
    edited August 25
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:
    He is asking for $150k from each of 17 CO-respondents. It’s all about the money
    On the face of it it looks like absolute nonsense with a dash of utter hysteria, but perhaps there's an actual legal point in there somewhere.
    US claims like this are a game of poker, as we know.

    Shades of Virginia Giuffre.
    Apart from Giuffre actually being sexually exploited, whether with the participation of the Duke of York or not.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 1,534
    DougSeal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    Really?

    I ask because if you go down a coal mine, it gets warmer the deeper you go.

    “When the Bakerloo line opened in 1906, for example, advertisements paraded the tube as the coolest place to be in the hot summer weather. Two years later, that campaign stopped as platform and train temperatures started to get uncomfortable.”

    http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdf
    I used to work in the oil service industry before I went into teaching, and we always worked on the rough figure of an increase of 1 degree C for every 100 feet of depth.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,039
    Most Florida voters don't want DeSantis to run for president in 2024
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/569392-poll-most-florida-voters-dont-want-desantis-to-run-for-president-in-2024

    (Though two thirds of Florida Republicans apparently do.)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    edited August 25
    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
    It's not the ambient temperature of the clay though is it? There will be a temperature gradient from the tunnel walls to the clay well away from the tunnels. The latter might be 10-12C but the issue is how quickly the heat generated by the Tube (trains, people, etc.) can be conducted away by clay, a not very efficient conductor.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,562
    DougSeal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    Really?

    I ask because if you go down a coal mine, it gets warmer the deeper you go.

    “When the Bakerloo line opened in 1906, for example, advertisements paraded the tube as the coolest place to be in the hot summer weather. Two years later, that campaign stopped as platform and train temperatures started to get uncomfortable.”

    http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdf
    Two years later? That means that the cool air was very temporary. I don't think there could possibly be enough surface heat to warm up the clay 30 meters down in just two years.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540

    Foxy said:

    Paging @Foxy


    "A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"

    Mail

    This is the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.

    I am down on the IoW for the week though.
    Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.
    The risk is higher here, now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592
    Scott_xP said:

    I: Britain tells Afghans to forget the airport and go to border #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1430633922912825350/photo/1

    Sounds like good advice. Our government should negotiate visa free entrance to Pakistan, Iran, Tajikistan etc, otherwise they will get stuck at the border.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,343

    IshmaelZ said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    I can tell by your posting that that you hate little fluffy kittens with big googoo eyes almost as much as you hate Great Ormond Street Hospital for children.

    Never mind the Afghans, think about the doggies.
    Well as a cat owner....
    Are you trying to tell us that you are a pussy lover?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    Really?

    I ask because if you go down a coal mine, it gets warmer the deeper you go.

    “When the Bakerloo line opened in 1906, for example, advertisements paraded the tube as the coolest place to be in the hot summer weather. Two years later, that campaign stopped as platform and train temperatures started to get uncomfortable.”

    http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdf
    Two years later? That means that the cool air was very temporary. I don't think there could possibly be enough surface heat to warm up the clay 30 meters down in just two years.
    It only has to increase the temperature of the clay immediately surrounding the tunnels.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,585
    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    Really?

    I ask because if you go down a coal mine, it gets warmer the deeper you go.

    “When the Bakerloo line opened in 1906, for example, advertisements paraded the tube as the coolest place to be in the hot summer weather. Two years later, that campaign stopped as platform and train temperatures started to get uncomfortable.”

    http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdf
    Two years later? That means that the cool air was very temporary. I don't think there could possibly be enough surface heat to warm up the clay 30 meters down in just two years.
    Maybe it took that long to work it's way through the masonry and cladding of the stations and tunnels?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,490

    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
    It's not the ambient temperature of the clay though is it? There will be a temperature gradient from the tunnel walls to the clay well away from the tunnels. The latter might be 10-12C but the issue is how quickly the heat generated by the Tube (trains, people, etc.) can be conducted away by clay, a not very efficient conductor.
    Sure, however the clay temperature was my original point.

    I've not found any great sources on this, but this link sort of suggests that the ambient numbers are quite low.

    https://www.chelmervillage-weather.co.uk/wxsoiltempsummary.php?

    @Carnyx re update.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Paging @Foxy


    "A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"

    Mail

    This is the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.

    I am down on the IoW for the week though.
    Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.
    The risk is higher here, now.
    Even before the festival.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 3,683

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    If ever there was a future hollywood film in waiting
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Paging @Foxy


    "A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"

    Mail

    This is the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.

    I am down on the IoW for the week though.
    Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.
    The risk is higher here, now.
    Out of the frying pan and into the fire?? ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    There is also a belief in many strands of Islam that dogs are unclean, haram. Not good optics in the Muslim world if the heathen occupiers are seen to give higher priority to the pooches than the humans - even if the hounds ride in the cargo bay of a proper passenger jet, rather than a military transport or a civilian equivalent.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Paging @Foxy


    "A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"

    Mail

    This is the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.

    I am down on the IoW for the week though.
    Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.
    The risk is higher here, now.
    Out of the frying pan and into the fire?? ...
    Yes, but here I am not working!
  • isamisam Posts: 38,523

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 38,629
    edited August 25
    Carnyx said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    There is also a belief in many strands of Islam that dogs are unclean, haram.
    But isn't that insulting Allah (SWT) himself? That He would be dumb enough to create "unclean" animals?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,490
    Some people are clearly available to drive lorries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-58321580

    Or jump off cliffs.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    Which will come first? The break up and divorce or Johnson's ejection from No 10?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    edited August 25
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
    It's not the ambient temperature of the clay though is it? There will be a temperature gradient from the tunnel walls to the clay well away from the tunnels. The latter might be 10-12C but the issue is how quickly the heat generated by the Tube (trains, people, etc.) can be conducted away by clay, a not very efficient conductor.
    Sure, however the clay temperature was my original point.

    I've not found any great sources on this, but this link sort of suggests that the ambient numbers are quite low.

    https://www.chelmervillage-weather.co.uk/wxsoiltempsummary.php?

    @Carnyx re update.

    Soil temperature is irrelevant for the Tube.

    On the subject of soil temperatures however, this long-term study shows an increase of circa 1C in 49 years.

    http://www.halesowenweather.co.uk/soil_temperatures.htm
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 29,176

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    Which will come first? The break up and divorce or Johnson's ejection from No 10?
    Probably the break-up.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.

    I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
    It's not the ambient temperature of the clay though is it? There will be a temperature gradient from the tunnel walls to the clay well away from the tunnels. The latter might be 10-12C but the issue is how quickly the heat generated by the Tube (trains, people, etc.) can be conducted away by clay, a not very efficient conductor.
    Sure, however the clay temperature was my original point.

    I've not found any great sources on this, but this link sort of suggests that the ambient numbers are quite low.

    https://www.chelmervillage-weather.co.uk/wxsoiltempsummary.php?

    @Carnyx re update.

    That is AIUI the meteorological soil temperature, quite shallow. In that case it's some 0.1m (4"). And even that gives a mean temperature of 11.1degC. Deep down, the clay will be massively buffered by depth, so it's going to be relatively constant, and a bit warmer. Before any heat is pumped into it by 300-400 years of basements and the like.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    The Taliban wants to ‘forget’ the past,’ a leader tells The Times, but there will be some restrictions

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/world/asia/taliban-spokesman-interview.html
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    Which will come first? The break up and divorce or Johnson's ejection from No 10?
    Hardly likely to be concurrent.
  • Have I mentioned that Mike's holiday begins in a little over 48 hours?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    edited August 25
    isam said:

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
    I must have missed the debates around the minimum wage, which sound awfully like that.

    If he doesn't lift restrictions on immigration, or build new towns in the sticks such as Wizzy, what else can he do?

    I forgot: he could ban or tax imports of furrin fish, veg and fruit.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592

    Have I mentioned that Mike's holiday begins in a little over 48 hours?

    What could possibly go wrong...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    If ever there was a future hollywood film in waiting
    Saving Private Fido? No

    Black Dog Down? No

    Come on, I'm not doing all the work.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,873
    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
    I must have missed the debates around the minimum wage, which sound awfully like that.

    If he doesn't lift restrictions on immigration, or build new towns in the sticks such as Wizzy, what else can he do?
    Minimum wage is not maximum wage.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 940
    Carnyx said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    There is also a belief in many strands of Islam that dogs are unclean, haram. Not good optics in the Muslim world if the heathen occupiers are seen to give higher priority to the pooches than the humans - even if the hounds ride in the cargo bay of a proper passenger jet, rather than a military transport or a civilian equivalent.
    The story that they have been able to charter an A330 to Kabul to pick up the animals and staff seems extremely far fetched. Who would insure such a risky flight?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    kle4 said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    If ever there was a future hollywood film in waiting
    Saving Private Fido? No

    Black Dog Down? No

    Come on, I'm not doing all the work.
    I'd suggest Lassie: Peace is our Profession. But it's already taken:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D3OhmFQyNc
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592
    kle4 said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    If ever there was a future hollywood film in waiting
    Saving Private Fido? No

    Black Dog Down? No

    Come on, I'm not doing all the work.
    darkage said:

    Carnyx said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    There is also a belief in many strands of Islam that dogs are unclean, haram. Not good optics in the Muslim world if the heathen occupiers are seen to give higher priority to the pooches than the humans - even if the hounds ride in the cargo bay of a proper passenger jet, rather than a military transport or a civilian equivalent.
    The story that they have been able to charter an A330 to Kabul to pick up the animals and staff seems extremely far fetched. Who would insure such a risky flight?
    It's OK. They have 9 lives.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,991
    edited August 25

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    I wonder if Ben Wallace may resign once the immediate Afghan crisis is over? Reading between the lines, he seems fairly pissed off with Raab/FCO and with Boris (and/or Carrie), and he strikes me as if he may have a sense of honour/principle. Next Cabinet Minister out?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    If ever there was a future hollywood film in waiting
    Saving Private Fido? No

    Black Dog Down? No

    Come on, I'm not doing all the work.
    I'd suggest Lassie: Peace is our Profession. But it's already taken:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D3OhmFQyNc
    You know it is good when the whole thing is available on Youtube.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
    I must have missed the debates around the minimum wage, which sound awfully like that.

    If he doesn't lift restrictions on immigration, or build new towns in the sticks such as Wizzy, what else can he do?
    Minimum wage is not maximum wage.
    It was still more than some folk were earning before. A wage increase for quite a lot of people.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,873
    Has this been mentioned ?

    Delivering another blow to what’s left of former Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s legacy, New York’s new governor acknowledged on her first day in office that the state has had nearly 12,000 more deaths from COVID-19 than Cuomo told the public.

    “The public deserves a clear, honest picture of what’s happening. And that’s whether it’s good or bad, they need to know the truth. And that’s how we restore confidence,” Gov. Kathy Hochul said on NPR.

    In its first daily update on the outbreak Tuesday evening, Hochul’s office reported that nearly 55,400 people have died of the coronavirus in New York based on death certificate data submitted to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


    https://apnews.com/article/andrew-cuomo-health-coronavirus-pandemic-7312b49695e726eda8d59848e82271c5

    I doubt New York has been the only place under-reporting covid deaths.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,927
    dixiedean said:

    Charles said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden is an awful President who should never have won a primary let alone an election.

    Still infinitely better than Trump. But the Democrats need to think hard on the primaries for 2024 or the GOP really will have an easy ride then (so long as they don't choose Trump again).

    Only Biden could have beaten Trump imho.

    That was his one last job.
    I think the problem (and I’ve said this before) come aback to the lack of profile among Democratic candidates. All three of Obama’s two Secretaries of State and vice-President were in their 60s/70s in 2016. There were simply no younger candidates forcing their way through. Of those three, apart from age, Kerry was already a failed candidate and Hilary Clinton was incredibly divisive. That left Biden carrying the torch. And he did it very well - he said all the right things - but he’s not showing what’s needed now to sort things out.

    Somewhere, a younger candidate in their fifties should have been brought forward, perhaps by Biden or Kerry resigning and being replaced by somebody younger, somebody being groomed for the succession. Bad oversight by Obama that he didn’t do it.
    It is striking how US voters are willing to tolerate candidates way beyond the age at which most European countries would look for someone with a bit more energy.

    I really don’t know whether the US clings onto some excessive respect for those with decades of experience, or whether the $-driven nature of US politics makes it difficult to get to the top of the greasy pole without decades of greasing the right palms and dispensing the right pork.
    Oldest PMs by age of departure from office

    Gladstone 84
    Palmerston 80
    Churchill 80
    Disraeli 75
    Lord John Russell 73
    Lord Salisbury 72
    Campbell Bannerman 71
    Neville Chamberlain 71
    The Duke of Portland 71
    Lord Aberdeen 71
    Earl Grey 70

    It is to my mind rather striking that only one of those was elected via a general election in the age of universal suffrage.

    Equally, of course, Palmerston probably would have won elections under any franchise even in his seventies.

    (And to be controversial, Chamberlain would easily have won an election in October 1938, although fortunately he had more sense than to call one.)
    You'd probably want to lop off about 5 years to their modern equivalents. Some of these were awful.
    No really awful ones. Russell and Campbell Bannermann weren’t great. Chamberlain had a lot of potential but was found wanting against a v tough test
    Campbell Bannerman wasn't great?
    For ahame.
    I always get muddled up with the random liberal PMs of that period. Salisbury is the last PM I spent much time on
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    If ever there was a future hollywood film in waiting
    Saving Private Fido? No

    Black Dog Down? No

    Come on, I'm not doing all the work.
    I'd suggest Lassie: Peace is our Profession. But it's already taken:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D3OhmFQyNc
    Likewise already taken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dogs_of_War_(film)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,927

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Carrie Antoinette priotising pets over people.

    And some people still claim that this is not the worst government in living memory. How much more evidence does anyone need?
    Nah she’s prioritising newspaper headlines over rational decisions
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,873
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
    I must have missed the debates around the minimum wage, which sound awfully like that.

    If he doesn't lift restrictions on immigration, or build new towns in the sticks such as Wizzy, what else can he do?
    Minimum wage is not maximum wage.
    It was still more than some folk were earning before. A wage increase for quite a lot of people.
    It is and very good news that the exploitation of the low paid is being reduced.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Challenge accepted.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,873
    The south-west surge in cases looks very much like gap filling:

    Low levels of natural immunity in unvaccinated residents could be why part of Somerset has the highest rates of coronavirus cases in England.

    Director of Public Health for Somerset, Professor Trudi Grant, said that before the recent spike in Sedgemoor, the county had "very low infection rates".

    Sedgemoor District Council's 723 cases per 100,000 is the highest in England.

    Prof Grant said the majority of cases were in the younger population who were yet to receive their second jab.

    "What you've got to bear in mind is that traditionally we've had very low infection rates in Somerset," she said.

    "It has been lower than most parts of the UK and, as a result of that, we've got a lower level of natural immunity in our residents and in particular that younger population that haven't had full vaccination yet and, predominantly, that's where we're seeing most of the cases," she added.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58318658

    How many more gaps are there to be filled we will have to wait and see.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    edited August 25
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he liked pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    So what did the australopithecines of the Pliocene discuss? Bananas? Sabretooth tigers?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he like pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
    We do need some mad anecdotes. But I fear yours has an element of mendacity

    Have I ever told PB my Taj Mahal anecdote?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 11,154

    The south-west surge in cases looks very much like gap filling:

    Low levels of natural immunity in unvaccinated residents could be why part of Somerset has the highest rates of coronavirus cases in England.

    Director of Public Health for Somerset, Professor Trudi Grant, said that before the recent spike in Sedgemoor, the county had "very low infection rates".

    Sedgemoor District Council's 723 cases per 100,000 is the highest in England.

    Prof Grant said the majority of cases were in the younger population who were yet to receive their second jab.

    "What you've got to bear in mind is that traditionally we've had very low infection rates in Somerset," she said.

    "It has been lower than most parts of the UK and, as a result of that, we've got a lower level of natural immunity in our residents and in particular that younger population that haven't had full vaccination yet and, predominantly, that's where we're seeing most of the cases," she added.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58318658

    How many more gaps are there to be filled we will have to wait and see.

    Australia and New Zealand?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Kabul Canine Caper, that's it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594

    The south-west surge in cases looks very much like gap filling:

    Low levels of natural immunity in unvaccinated residents could be why part of Somerset has the highest rates of coronavirus cases in England.

    Director of Public Health for Somerset, Professor Trudi Grant, said that before the recent spike in Sedgemoor, the county had "very low infection rates".

    Sedgemoor District Council's 723 cases per 100,000 is the highest in England.

    Prof Grant said the majority of cases were in the younger population who were yet to receive their second jab.

    "What you've got to bear in mind is that traditionally we've had very low infection rates in Somerset," she said.

    "It has been lower than most parts of the UK and, as a result of that, we've got a lower level of natural immunity in our residents and in particular that younger population that haven't had full vaccination yet and, predominantly, that's where we're seeing most of the cases," she added.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58318658

    How many more gaps are there to be filled we will have to wait and see.

    Australia and New Zealand?
    "It is a biological fact that the disease will become endemic, it is headed towards that."

    Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,481
    edited August 25
    Biden's rating is now nearer the lower range of Presidents at this stage of their Presidency, only Trump and Bill Clinton had lower ratings at this stage in the last 50 years. They both of course saw their parties trounced in their first midterms which does not bode well for the Democrats next year.

    Biden will also clearly need to improve his rating if he wants to run again in 2024 with a good chance of being re elected
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,733
    Foxy said:

    Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing

    https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679

    Yes but puppies and kittens are more popular than asylum seekers, nailed on.
    Cuddly furry balls of fluff or "forriners". Not much of a RedWall conundrum I wouldn't have thought.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,523
    edited August 25
    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
    I must have missed the debates around the minimum wage, which sound awfully like that.

    If he doesn't lift restrictions on immigration, or build new towns in the sticks such as Wizzy, what else can he do?

    I forgot: he could ban or tax imports of furrin fish, veg and fruit.
    He could stop the dole money of people who have been unemployed 3 months or more and won’t pick fruit/work in supermarket warehouses rather than sit on their fat arse and claim benefits
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he like pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
    We do need some mad anecdotes. But I fear yours has an element of mendacity

    Have I ever told PB my Taj Mahal anecdote?
    Is that the one where you ended up sleeping with Mumtaz Mahal?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he like pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
    We do need some mad anecdotes. But I fear yours has an element of mendacity

    Have I ever told PB my Taj Mahal anecdote?
    Is that the one where you ended up sleeping with Mumtaz Mahal?
    No, it is better than that. It is majestic in its narcissism
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,873
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    You missed an opportunity when in Greece to head over the border to Bulgaria.

    Its in the process of having a covid surge which will be the worst in Europe.

    https://coronavirus.bg/

    Multiply by ten for UK equivalent.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594

    Rachel Wearmouth
    @REWearmouth
    Unite boss Len McCluskey has "left the building", according to a union source
  • isamisam Posts: 38,523
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    9/2 and 25/1 winners tipped on the football, that was relatively exciting
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he like pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
    We do need some mad anecdotes. But I fear yours has an element of mendacity

    Have I ever told PB my Taj Mahal anecdote?
    Is that the one where you ended up sleeping with Mumtaz Mahal?
    No, it is better than that. It is majestic in its narcissism
    Hmm. Gone on then. We are tempted as it is a slow news night.*



    * apart from those cats being saved from Taliban cat eaters which is obviously massive news in the flat at No 10.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,733


    Rachel Wearmouth
    @REWearmouth
    Unite boss Len McCluskey has "left the building", according to a union source

    Which building? The grace and favour mansion.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 891
    dixiedean said:

    Charles said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden is an awful President who should never have won a primary let alone an election.

    Still infinitely better than Trump. But the Democrats need to think hard on the primaries for 2024 or the GOP really will have an easy ride then (so long as they don't choose Trump again).

    Only Biden could have beaten Trump imho.

    That was his one last job.
    I think the problem (and I’ve said this before) come aback to the lack of profile among Democratic candidates. All three of Obama’s two Secretaries of State and vice-President were in their 60s/70s in 2016. There were simply no younger candidates forcing their way through. Of those three, apart from age, Kerry was already a failed candidate and Hilary Clinton was incredibly divisive. That left Biden carrying the torch. And he did it very well - he said all the right things - but he’s not showing what’s needed now to sort things out.

    Somewhere, a younger candidate in their fifties should have been brought forward, perhaps by Biden or Kerry resigning and being replaced by somebody younger, somebody being groomed for the succession. Bad oversight by Obama that he didn’t do it.
    It is striking how US voters are willing to tolerate candidates way beyond the age at which most European countries would look for someone with a bit more energy.

    I really don’t know whether the US clings onto some excessive respect for those with decades of experience, or whether the $-driven nature of US politics makes it difficult to get to the top of the greasy pole without decades of greasing the right palms and dispensing the right pork.
    Oldest PMs by age of departure from office

    Gladstone 84
    Palmerston 80
    Churchill 80
    Disraeli 75
    Lord John Russell 73
    Lord Salisbury 72
    Campbell Bannerman 71
    Neville Chamberlain 71
    The Duke of Portland 71
    Lord Aberdeen 71
    Earl Grey 70

    It is to my mind rather striking that only one of those was elected via a general election in the age of universal suffrage.

    Equally, of course, Palmerston probably would have won elections under any franchise even in his seventies.

    (And to be controversial, Chamberlain would easily have won an election in October 1938, although fortunately he had more sense than to call one.)
    You'd probably want to lop off about 5 years to their modern equivalents. Some of these were awful.
    No really awful ones. Russell and Campbell Bannermann weren’t great. Chamberlain had a lot of potential but was found wanting against a v tough test
    Campbell Bannerman wasn't great?
    For ahame.
    I thought Campbell Bannerman had a vastly larger number of seats at the 1906 election than poor old Johnson got in 2019.

    And yet the Tory cheerleaders never stop talking about Johnson's 80 seat majority.

    If that is the criterion, Campbell Bannerman wins hands down.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594


    Rachel Wearmouth
    @REWearmouth
    Unite boss Len McCluskey has "left the building", according to a union source

    Which building? The grace and favour mansion.
    Comments include:


    Have they checked the petty cash box?


    He’s probably just gone to The Ivy for oysters and champagne. He’ll be back to make some noise if Labour ever look like beating the Tories.


    Off to collect his knighthood for services to the Conservative Party
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    You missed an opportunity when in Greece to head over the border to Bulgaria.

    Its in the process of having a covid surge which will be the worst in Europe.

    https://coronavirus.bg/

    Multiply by ten for UK equivalent.
    Fo Sho

    This bug is not going away. It will be with us forever. Like Flu, but probably a lot worse. It will kill many thousands every year, but we will also have fast evolving vaccines, to counter it. An endless arms race

    Life expectancies will fall around the world, in response. Particularly amongst the co-morbid. Suddenly, being obese is not such a great life choice. That might not be such a bad thing

    But Zero Covid is a delusion and we will all have to accept life is somewhat riskier than it was. That's the only way forward. It should not be impossible psychologically. Somehow we all accept that life carries with it a 100% risk of death, without freaking out
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,733


    Rachel Wearmouth
    @REWearmouth
    Unite boss Len McCluskey has "left the building", according to a union source

    Which building? The grace and favour mansion.
    Comments include:


    Have they checked the petty cash box?


    He’s probably just gone to The Ivy for oysters and champagne. He’ll be back to make some noise if Labour ever look like beating the Tories.


    Off to collect his knighthood for services to the Conservative Party
    They all work for me.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,927
    Omnium said:

    Some people are clearly available to drive lorries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-58321580

    Or jump off cliffs.

    I’d like to see Mauritius enforce the proposed flight ban…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he like pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
    We do need some mad anecdotes. But I fear yours has an element of mendacity

    Have I ever told PB my Taj Mahal anecdote?
    Is that the one where you ended up sleeping with Mumtaz Mahal?
    No, it is better than that. It is majestic in its narcissism
    Hmm. Gone on then. We are tempted as it is a slow news night.*



    * apart from those cats being saved from Taliban cat eaters which is obviously massive news in the flat at No 10.
    It really needs the Vanilla photo facility to ram home that what I'm saying is true, otherwise it sounds ridiculous

    That is to say:I have photo evidence of my anecdote, not conclusive, but highly supportive
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    How does one post pix on PB these days? Or is it basically verboten?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 11,154
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    You missed an opportunity when in Greece to head over the border to Bulgaria.

    Its in the process of having a covid surge which will be the worst in Europe.

    https://coronavirus.bg/

    Multiply by ten for UK equivalent.
    Fo Sho

    This bug is not going away. It will be with us forever. Like Flu, but probably a lot worse. It will kill many thousands every year, but we will also have fast evolving vaccines, to counter it. An endless arms race

    Life expectancies will fall around the world, in response. Particularly amongst the co-morbid. Suddenly, being obese is not such a great life choice. That might not be such a bad thing

    But Zero Covid is a delusion and we will all have to accept life is somewhat riskier than it was. That's the only way forward. It should not be impossible psychologically. Somehow we all accept that life carries with it a 100% risk of death, without freaking out
    I agree with some of that, but sceptical about the life expectancy prediction. My guess is that life expectancy will continue to rise. The advance in general healthcare, science and adherence to science over superstition should counteract the effect of the virus.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    edited August 25
  • BalrogBalrog Posts: 150
    Two things.

    1) where can you bet on next cabinet minister to leave?

    2) re temperature surrounding the underground. There will be the background temperature of the clay. Then there will be the temperature around the tube, which will be highest at the wall and decay radially until it reaches the background temperature. With a ground source heat pump a metre down the temperature varies from say 15 degrees in the summer to about 7 or 8 degrees I think. With the pump running the temperature near the coils is depressed by a few degrees, it seems to go down to about 5 in the depths of winter when the heat is taken out. Pipes have to be a metre apart to stop the colder zones joining up. So presumably in the tube the temperature drop takes place over a few metres or perhaps a few tens of metres. So the volume isn't that great and I can easily believe wall temp more than 10 degrees over background.

    Sorry for somewhat boring/rambling post but I can't really help being a physics/engineering nerd...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    test 2
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,927
    kle4 said:

    Kabul Canine Caper, that's it.

    Afghan Hound
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,739
    London yesterday – the touristy bits around Westminster and Trafalgar Square – not many black cabs about, and summoning an Uber took about 10 seconds (we nearly missed it, it was so fast).
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 15,478
    ClippP said:

    dixiedean said:

    Charles said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden is an awful President who should never have won a primary let alone an election.

    Still infinitely better than Trump. But the Democrats need to think hard on the primaries for 2024 or the GOP really will have an easy ride then (so long as they don't choose Trump again).

    Only Biden could have beaten Trump imho.

    That was his one last job.
    I think the problem (and I’ve said this before) come aback to the lack of profile among Democratic candidates. All three of Obama’s two Secretaries of State and vice-President were in their 60s/70s in 2016. There were simply no younger candidates forcing their way through. Of those three, apart from age, Kerry was already a failed candidate and Hilary Clinton was incredibly divisive. That left Biden carrying the torch. And he did it very well - he said all the right things - but he’s not showing what’s needed now to sort things out.

    Somewhere, a younger candidate in their fifties should have been brought forward, perhaps by Biden or Kerry resigning and being replaced by somebody younger, somebody being groomed for the succession. Bad oversight by Obama that he didn’t do it.
    It is striking how US voters are willing to tolerate candidates way beyond the age at which most European countries would look for someone with a bit more energy.

    I really don’t know whether the US clings onto some excessive respect for those with decades of experience, or whether the $-driven nature of US politics makes it difficult to get to the top of the greasy pole without decades of greasing the right palms and dispensing the right pork.
    Oldest PMs by age of departure from office

    Gladstone 84
    Palmerston 80
    Churchill 80
    Disraeli 75
    Lord John Russell 73
    Lord Salisbury 72
    Campbell Bannerman 71
    Neville Chamberlain 71
    The Duke of Portland 71
    Lord Aberdeen 71
    Earl Grey 70

    It is to my mind rather striking that only one of those was elected via a general election in the age of universal suffrage.

    Equally, of course, Palmerston probably would have won elections under any franchise even in his seventies.

    (And to be controversial, Chamberlain would easily have won an election in October 1938, although fortunately he had more sense than to call one.)
    You'd probably want to lop off about 5 years to their modern equivalents. Some of these were awful.
    No really awful ones. Russell and Campbell Bannermann weren’t great. Chamberlain had a lot of potential but was found wanting against a v tough test
    Campbell Bannerman wasn't great?
    For ahame.
    I thought Campbell Bannerman had a vastly larger number of seats at the 1906 election than poor old Johnson got in 2019.

    And yet the Tory cheerleaders never stop talking about Johnson's 80 seat majority.

    If that is the criterion, Campbell Bannerman wins hands down.
    He was put into bat as a minority by Balfour, in sure and certain knowledge that his government would collapse, he'd be ousted, and the Tories returned with a stonking majority.
    Instead he gained 216 seats and a majority of 125.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    Leon said:
    So we can post photos again? Confuzzled
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,739
    edited August 25
    Leon said:

    How does one post pix on PB these days? Or is it basically verboten?

    Attach image button on the comment box?

    ETA ah, some evidence you have already figured it out.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    Leon said:

    Leon said:
    So we can post photos again? Confuzzled
    Were we ever unable to?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    How does one post pix on PB these days? Or is it basically verboten?

    Attach image button on the comment box?
    But it stopped working recently

    However I have now just attached an image and it works fine


    BTW I would be impressed if any PB-er can guess what it shows
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Leon said:
    So we can post photos again? Confuzzled
    Were we ever unable to?
    Yes. They went micro
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,991
    Leon said:
    Looks like Boris is on duty tonight.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    Ok, how about I once shared a taxi with a member of Radiohead who said he like pineapple on pizza before pontificating on the wonders of AV?
    We do need some mad anecdotes. But I fear yours has an element of mendacity

    Have I ever told PB my Taj Mahal anecdote?
    Is that the one where you ended up sleeping with Mumtaz Mahal?
    No, it is better than that. It is majestic in its narcissism
    Hmm. Gone on then. We are tempted as it is a slow news night.*



    * apart from those cats being saved from Taliban cat eaters which is obviously massive news in the flat at No 10.
    It really needs the Vanilla photo facility to ram home that what I'm saying is true, otherwise it sounds ridiculous

    That is to say:I have photo evidence of my anecdote, not conclusive, but highly supportive
    Incoming "UFO over the Taj Mahal" alert!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:
    So we can post photos again? Confuzzled
    Were we ever unable to?
    Yes. They went micro
    Ah yes, I did see some of those - good point.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.

    https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21

    Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.
    The PM implements wage hikes for employees of private businesses? Who suggested that?
    I must have missed the debates around the minimum wage, which sound awfully like that.

    If he doesn't lift restrictions on immigration, or build new towns in the sticks such as Wizzy, what else can he do?

    I forgot: he could ban or tax imports of furrin fish, veg and fruit.
    He could stop the dole money of people who have been unemployed 3 months or more and won’t pick fruit/work in supermarket warehouses rather than sit on their fat arse and claim benefits
    He'd need to deport them to the fields of East Anglia etc. Hence my remark on new towns. Which would go down really well in the Northern Red Wall.
  • Have I mentioned that Mike's holiday begins in a little over 48 hours?

    AV Thread inbound?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,826
    The Canadian Conservatives now have a lead of about 0.5% with the latest polls. New ones being published all the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_Canadian_federal_election#Campaign_period
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893
    edited August 25

    Leon said:

    How does one post pix on PB these days? Or is it basically verboten?

    Attach image button on the comment box?

    ETA ah, some evidence you have already figured it out.
    Only applies to Vanilla. In PB.com you can post images using html
    img src="url" embedded in the pointy brackets (the less than and greater than signs)
  • isamisam Posts: 38,523
    Bbc2 The Rolling Stones at the BBC
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is the dullest thread in recent PB history

    Not sure about that. Wasn't there one recently when someone kept sharing snaps of their holiday food with us?
    Possibly

    But this thread has no focus, no argument, no interesting anecdotes, no totally random but fascinating information, no feuds being invoked or settled. The best threads combine all of this.

    This is just low-watt waffle. Subdued lowbrow muttering. This is a thread on Fentanyl. This is like looking into the soul of CorrectHorseBattery

    Come on PB, we can do better than this
    You missed an opportunity when in Greece to head over the border to Bulgaria.

    Its in the process of having a covid surge which will be the worst in Europe.

    https://coronavirus.bg/

    Multiply by ten for UK equivalent.
    Fo Sho

    This bug is not going away. It will be with us forever. Like Flu, but probably a lot worse. It will kill many thousands every year, but we will also have fast evolving vaccines, to counter it. An endless arms race

    Life expectancies will fall around the world, in response. Particularly amongst the co-morbid. Suddenly, being obese is not such a great life choice. That might not be such a bad thing

    But Zero Covid is a delusion and we will all have to accept life is somewhat riskier than it was. That's the only way forward. It should not be impossible psychologically. Somehow we all accept that life carries with it a 100% risk of death, without freaking out
    I agree with some of that, but sceptical about the life expectancy prediction. My guess is that life expectancy will continue to rise. The advance in general healthcare, science and adherence to science over superstition should counteract the effect of the virus.
    I should have been more precise. I suspect life expectancies will fall, for a while, in the less healthy and more-obese-prone of advanced societies. So the USA, UK, Oz (eventually), UAE, Ireland, parts of eastern Europe, etc. Also developing places like Mexico, Argentina, Polynesia

    That said, there may be highly successful therapies for Covid very soon, it is hard to say

    I am pretty certain Covid-19 will be with us for decades



  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,893

    Carrie on up the Khyber with your animals

    Pass on that one.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Have I mentioned that Mike's holiday begins in a little over 48 hours?

    AV Thread inbound?
    More like WW3 :smiley:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,343
    Good to see that British troops are showing the bulldog spirit in Kabul.

    Keeping the terrierists at bay.

    And not being America's poodle.

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