At Batley and Spen Starmer’s LAB did something that the Tories haven’t managed since 2016… – politic
At Batley and Spen Starmer’s LAB did something that the Tories haven’t managed since 2016… – politicalbetting.com
In all the focus on Labour’s by-election performances, there has been much less attention to the Tories who have struggled whenever they’ve been defending a seat.
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The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
Hurrah for Kim, Batley and Sir Keir.2
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Not necessarily, from 1987 to 1992 the Tories lost 7 of the 10 by elections in seats they held to Labour or the LDs (not holding a single seat after Hague's hold of Richmond in February 1989) but still went on to narrowly win in 19920
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rescued FPT, as I thought this splendid piece of HYUFD/Boris hubris ought not go unremarked...HYUFD said:
...Allowing an indyref2 with a 50% chance of a Yes vote which would end Boris' premiership the next day and see him go down in history for all eternity as the 21st century Lord North who lost Scotland rather than the architect of Brexit he wants to be remembered for is a different matter entirely.
Hence Boris has said there should be no indyref2 for 40 years...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wait-40-years-for-another-scottish-independence-vote-says-boris-johnson-kwb7njq992 -
There was no second EU referendum for 41 years after the first EEC referendum in 1975, though as I have said most likely an indyref2 will occur if and when Labour next get into powerNigelb said:rescued FPT, as I thought this splendid piece of HYUFD/Boris hubris ought not go unremarked...
HYUFD said:
...Allowing an indyref2 with a 50% chance of a Yes vote which would end Boris' premiership the next day and see him go down in history for all eternity as the 21st century Lord North who lost Scotland rather than the architect of Brexit he wants to be remembered for is a different matter entirely.
Hence Boris has said there should be no indyref2 for 40 years...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wait-40-years-for-another-scottish-independence-vote-says-boris-johnson-kwb7njq990 -
This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!17 -
There's a lot to be said for leaving FPT stuff on the PT.2
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But can she do faggots and Y. pud?TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!0 -
Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
Aaaaand...they’re off.Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.3 -
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.2 -
The old ones are the best ones.ydoethur said:TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
Aaaaand...they’re off.Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.0 -
Afternoon All!TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
That’s fairly elderly, Mr E; bit sexist, too, the bit about cooking!0 -
Typo - Goldwsmith
Generally, the Tories have been better at pushing out MPs who try and hang around too long.1 -
Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-245010041 -
Random story but was in the bank today to do a few bits and pieces and some guy kicked off quite a lot because they were not keen on accepting his cash to pay a bill...he ended up having a shouting match with the manager about how it was illegal to refuse cash. Sort of funny in a weird way.
Don't think they were ever going to refuse his cash, just that they wanted to process it a different way, but he made enough of a fuss that I think they ended up just doing whatever was needed to get him in and out the place ASAP.0 -
It came from a female friend.OldKingCole said:
Afternoon All!TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
That’s fairly elderly, Mr E; bit sexist, too, the bit about cooking!2 -
The "Boris" gaze barely stretches to 40 minutes let alone 40 years.Nigelb said:rescued FPT, as I thought this splendid piece of HYUFD/Boris hubris ought not go unremarked...
HYUFD said:
...Allowing an indyref2 with a 50% chance of a Yes vote which would end Boris' premiership the next day and see him go down in history for all eternity as the 21st century Lord North who lost Scotland rather than the architect of Brexit he wants to be remembered for is a different matter entirely.
Hence Boris has said there should be no indyref2 for 40 years...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wait-40-years-for-another-scottish-independence-vote-says-boris-johnson-kwb7njq990 -
The new PPC for Leicestershire is equally gorgeous!TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-245010040 -
Going by my exchanges on the last thread I concur with that.DecrepiterJohnL said:There's a lot to be said for leaving FPT stuff on the PT.
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I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.0 -
That joke went around in 1996.TheScreamingEagles said:
It came from a female friend.OldKingCole said:
Afternoon All!TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
That’s fairly elderly, Mr E; bit sexist, too, the bit about cooking!
Hell, it probably went around in 1966 too!1 -
When the new £10 note came out, or rather after the old tenner was withdrawn, there was a guy in the Post Office trying to change an old one, and the staff refused. He started to kick off so in the end I swapped it for one of mine. I don't know. I suppose if £10 means so much to you, then things are pretty desperate. On the other hand, it's the government that makes the rules, not the lowly-paid woman behind the counter.solarflare said:Random story but was in the bank today to do a few bits and pieces and some guy kicked off quite a lot because they were not keen on accepting his cash to pay a bill...he ended up having a shouting match with the manager about how it was illegal to refuse cash. Sort of funny in a weird way.
Don't think they were ever going to refuse his cash, just that they wanted to process it a different way, but he made enough of a fuss that I think they ended up just doing whatever was needed to get him in and out the place ASAP.1 -
Yep, I implemented that rule for tumbles with Philip. Changed my life.DecrepiterJohnL said:There's a lot to be said for leaving FPT stuff on the PT.
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Ousmane Dembele and Antoine Griezmann appear to be massive racists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0D7HKYOJI0 -
Yours is better though -Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.
Edit - oh god, TSE beat me to it!
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Typical French people.FrancisUrquhart said:Ousmane Dembele and Antoine Griezmann appear to be massive racists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0D7HKYOJI
Is 'amusing' considering Rakuten sponsor Barca.
Barca really are up shit creek, they really cannot afford to lose a sponsor.
https://theathletic.co.uk/2689613/2021/07/06/explained-why-barcelona-cannot-register-their-new-signings-and-what-it-means-for-lionel-messi/0 -
I reckon that Cav will do it in Paris. The perfect place to break the record.
I remember when he was led out round the final corner by Wiggo in yellow with half the team still there. This time it could be the World Champion at the front of the train and another textbook execution. I hope.0 -
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-245010041 -
You're saying that because she's female, she can't be sexist? That's a bit sexist, innit?TheScreamingEagles said:
It came from a female friend.OldKingCole said:
Afternoon All!TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
That’s fairly elderly, Mr E; bit sexist, too, the bit about cooking!
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I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.0 -
I said "truly English", so that's the Barnett fort you, ditto Sunday Trading (because English firms operated cross border IIRC), aNd who cares about killing foxes at great cost?Chelyabinsk said:
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.0 -
God no, as someone who is the not quite gay BFF of a lot of females, as well as the only guy on a girls night out and hen dos, I know how sexist women can be.Selebian said:
You're saying that because she's female, she can't be sexist? That's a bit sexist, innit?TheScreamingEagles said:
It came from a female friend.OldKingCole said:
Afternoon All!TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
That’s fairly elderly, Mr E; bit sexist, too, the bit about cooking!2 -
Prediction: any future Labour minority reliant on SNP votes will insert at least one line relevant to Scotland into every piece of legislation.Carnyx said:
I said "truly English", so that's the Barnett fort you, ditto Sunday Trading (because English firms operated cross border IIRC), aNd who cares about killing foxes at great cost?Chelyabinsk said:
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.0 -
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.0 -
In that time period there's been two General Elections, both of which returned Tory PMs (albeit by the skin of her teeth for May) and the most recent one was an eighty seat majority.
I think if the Tories can keep winning General Elections they don't badly need anything from a by election. By elections if won by a governing party are realistically a bonus.
It's only insanely high expectations that lead people to expect governing party gains now.1 -
In which case, I ask again, why are the Tories abolishing EVEL?Black_Rook said:
Prediction: any future Labour minority reliant on SNP votes will insert at least one line relevant to Scotland into every piece of legislation.Carnyx said:
I said "truly English", so that's the Barnett fort you, ditto Sunday Trading (because English firms operated cross border IIRC), aNd who cares about killing foxes at great cost?Chelyabinsk said:
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.
And the SNP don't have to vote on all the other lines anyway.0 -
Yup, he went down the plughole of George Soros as the powerful Jew trying to stop Brexit.FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tories-investigate-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/two-conservative-mps-receive-training-on-antisemitism-1.5104370 -
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.
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Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/0 -
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
If we are doing jokes like that then:kinabalu said:
Yours is better though -Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.
Edit - oh god, TSE beat me to it!
"Anyone interested in a free ride in a helicopter for 4 people? I am looking for 2 more people to join us. We leave early next Saturday morning from Derry Airport and will fly to Galway Bay where we will have breakfast and then onto a yacht for lunch. We then do a flight along the coast to see the cliffs of Moher and then fly back to Derry.
If interested please let me know. Preferably someone with a helicopter and yacht, otherwise we can't go"2 -
Old ones are the best oneskinabalu said:
Yours is better though -Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.
Edit - oh god, TSE beat me to it!0 -
Why do you want to leave all that stuff on me? 😕DecrepiterJohnL said:There's a lot to be said for leaving FPT stuff on the PT.
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There were definitely at least a dozen arses in Alba.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.
Oh sorry, not that sort of seat?0 -
Happy memories oif standing knee deep in the stuff shovelling it for my father, who seemed to put about a cubic yard of the stuff on every square yard of his large garden and even bigger allotment. Which reminds me, the sun is over the yardarm, so I ought to go and have a drink to him. Have a good weekend!malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.2 -
If I can tempt you away from your Scotland gripes for a second -Black_Rook said:
Prediction: any future Labour minority reliant on SNP votes will insert at least one line relevant to Scotland into every piece of legislation.Carnyx said:
I said "truly English", so that's the Barnett fort you, ditto Sunday Trading (because English firms operated cross border IIRC), aNd who cares about killing foxes at great cost?Chelyabinsk said:
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.
Shapovalov looks like he has the game to worry Novak but not quite the temperament. Keeps blowing the big points.0 -
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?0 -
Said the Bishop to the Actress ...malcolmg said:
Old ones are the best oneskinabalu said:
Yours is better though -Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.
Edit - oh god, TSE beat me to it! 1 -
Your theory on the previous thread is about as good as any, I suppose. Though FWIW, EVEL is just a set of procedures that a majority in the House can easily modify at will. Just as easily achieved by a non-Tory majority after the next election as a Tory one now.Carnyx said:
In which case, I ask again, why are the Tories abolishing EVEL?Black_Rook said:
Prediction: any future Labour minority reliant on SNP votes will insert at least one line relevant to Scotland into every piece of legislation.Carnyx said:
I said "truly English", so that's the Barnett fort you, ditto Sunday Trading (because English firms operated cross border IIRC), aNd who cares about killing foxes at great cost?Chelyabinsk said:
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.
And the SNP don't have to vote on all the other lines anyway.
We're talking about politicians here. Their principles can usually be bought. If the price of a second referendum and a large sack of cash is voting through Labour's bills then I'm sure they'll do it.1 -
The first since Eric Forth in 2006, and the fifth in total since 1997.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?0 -
Another good one! They might be old but they're all new to me.kjh said:
If we are doing jokes like then then:kinabalu said:
Yours is better though -Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.
Edit - oh god, TSE beat me to it!
"Anyone interested in a free ride in a helicopter for 4 people? I am looking for 2 more people to join us. We leave early next Saturday morning from Derry Airport and will fly to Galway Bay where we will have breakfast and then onto a yacht for lunch. We then do a flight along the coast to see the cliffs of Moher and then fly back to Derry.
If interested please let me know. Preferably someone with a helicopter and yacht, otherwise we can't go"1 -
Personally I find this pretty shocking. I obviously understand the general approach by Australian Govts to tighten up their borders etc. But it’s also clear that as a result they’ve simply abandoned many of their own citizens and made no pro-active attempts to help them return home at all.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/people-just-dont-care-australians-stranded-overseas-come-to-terms-with-their-own-country-abandoning-them/news-story/a322777fbccf1ac9eb32f88a04844aa40 -
I rather fear that they were off long ago already.ydoethur said:TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
Aaaaand...they’re off.Northern_Al said:Off topic.
A friend of mine, ages ago, managed to secure a ticket for the final at Wembley on Sunday. £300, including accommodation. However, the idiot has only just realised that this clashes with his wedding!
So, if anybody is interested in taking his place, could they let him know? It's at 4pm, Sunday, Burnley Registry Office. The bride's name is Brenda.1 -
I know, he's given Novak a good game but he's squandered so many opportunities. The performance merits something better than being beaten in straight sets but you can see that coming. It's quite sad. And FWIW I don't see Berrettini doing much better on Sunday.kinabalu said:
If I can tempt you away from your Scotland gripes for a second -Black_Rook said:
Prediction: any future Labour minority reliant on SNP votes will insert at least one line relevant to Scotland into every piece of legislation.Carnyx said:
I said "truly English", so that's the Barnett fort you, ditto Sunday Trading (because English firms operated cross border IIRC), aNd who cares about killing foxes at great cost?Chelyabinsk said:
The only separatists who are principled enough to keep clear of English legislation are Sinn Fein.Carnyx said:completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.
Scots MPs attacked over fees vote (27 January, 2004)
A political row has broken out over the role of Scottish Labour MPs whose votes proved crucial as the government won the vote on university top-up fees... the plans will not apply north of the border... The Tories' sole Scottish MP, Peter Duncan, abstained on Tuesday's vote. Mr Duncan said: "This is a dark day for British democracy, and the actions of Scottish MPs are reprehensible...
Scottish National Party MP Alex Salmond argued that Mr Duncan had "sat on his hands" and done nothing while Scottish interests were "put to the sword" by Scottish Labour MPs... "The needs of Scottish higher education required top-up fees to be voted down and Scottish Labour and Tory have sold Scotland out. For that, they will now face the wrath of the Scottish electorate."
See also Sunday Trading, fox hunting, and anything which might have Barnett consequentials.
Shapovalov looks like he has the game to worry Novak but not quite the temperament. Keeps blowing the big points.
The women's final looks much more promising for a close contest, but I've already got somewhere else to go tomorrow so shall miss it, alas.2 -
Gloria's decision to stand down was I suspect partly because she expected a real mudfest if she stood and he came out with whatever he could think of about things she'd said at odd moments over the years - wouldn't need to be anything dreadful, but the most casual remark can be twisted. And I expect the Tories picked him with just that advantage in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
The politics of the seat (which was next to Broxtowe and shared two wards with the borough) were always horrible - I knew Labour, LibDem and Tory councillors, and early in any conversation they would all rant about their colleagues and their opponents as if they really hated each other. Geoff Hoon was the unlikely previous MP - a smooth posh intellectual in a seat that in part makes Hartlepool look like Chelsea.3 -
Maybe the Tories should reaffiliate him. He was Labour under Corbyn, then switched sides seeing that the seat was going Tory. Expel him, call him a "maverick Labour politician" and retain the seat in 2023 as its the loony "Labour" MP people will vote to get shut of.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
Does show, when you are bagging a lot of candidates quickly for a long list of suddenly in play seats, and you judge fealty over all other considerations, you can end up with absolute spanners. Same in any party - look at Claudia Webbe FFS.0 -
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/0 -
Eric Forth (Bromley and Chislehurst) was I think the last Conservative MP death, in 2006.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?
It’s a combination of MPs getting younger, retiring rather than staying in office into old age, and the huge swings seen in 1997, 2010, 2015 in Scotland, and to some extent 2019, that cleared out large numbers of MPs.0 -
'but the Tories badly need a hold in a heartlands seat.'
Must have been suprressing a chuckle typing that one. If only the Tories were as well placed as the Lib Dems, eh?1 -
Of course, not different at all for a party in power since 2010, oh no .....0
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Almost as acceptable as racism against "chavvy" WWC which you see from many on the left.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/0 -
When Dave became leader he made a conscious effort to get older MPs to stand down at the 2010 and 2015 GEs.Sandpit said:
Eric Forth (Bromley and Chislehurst) was I think the last Conservative MP death, in 2006.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?
It’s a combination of MPs getting younger, retiring rather than staying in office into old age, and the huge swings seen in 1997, 2010, 2015 in Scotland, and to some extent 2019, that cleared out large numbers of MPs.
For the large part it worked.0 -
and red heads, and short people.MrEd said:
Almost as acceptable as racism against "chavvy" WWC which you see from many on the left.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/0 -
That's not limited to the left.MrEd said:
Almost as acceptable as racism against "chavvy" WWC which you see from many on the left.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/0 -
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
There's a reason for that though, sadly, and it isn't racism.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/
Travelling communities do have a tendency to being crime and disorder with them and they're not a race. It's a cultural not a racial issue.
Not all do, but too many do. And if you've had crime and disorder linked to previous travelling sites appearing then it's only natural to be concerned when new ones do.1 -
Is it unfair to suggest David Cameron used the expenses scandal to get rid of a lot of bed blockers or just MPs who weren't fully onboard with hugging hoodies?TheScreamingEagles said:
When Dave became leader he made a conscious effort to get older MPs to stand down at the 2010 and 2015 GEs.Sandpit said:
Eric Forth (Bromley and Chislehurst) was I think the last Conservative MP death, in 2006.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?
It’s a combination of MPs getting younger, retiring rather than staying in office into old age, and the huge swings seen in 1997, 2010, 2015 in Scotland, and to some extent 2019, that cleared out large numbers of MPs.
For the large part it worked.0 -
Surely the worse "racism" against the WWC is from the snooty end of the Tory party who work very hard to keep them poor and ill-educated.MrEd said:
Almost as acceptable as racism against "chavvy" WWC which you see from many on the left.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/2 -
No, 12 Alba MSPs was a fantasy, as anyone with half a brain cell realised when they saw Salmond's approval ratings.malcolmg said:
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
Same to you Carnyx.Carnyx said:
Happy memories oif standing knee deep in the stuff shovelling it for my father, who seemed to put about a cubic yard of the stuff on every square yard of his large garden and even bigger allotment. Which reminds me, the sun is over the yardarm, so I ought to go and have a drink to him. Have a good weekend!malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.1 -
It’s not just us that have noticed this *thing*
‘When are we going to get a longread on the social media radicalisation of FBPE people? It's very sad to watch’
‘ > often educated professionals
> 10k follows
> 11k followers
> Bio an alphabet soup of acronyms
> Can't watch the football because they think they live in a Hitlerite regime
They haven't quite got to paedo-deep-state conspiracy but the distinction with Qboomers isn't massive!’
https://twitter.com/eggrollshogun/status/1413129834356563972?s=212 -
Boris was personally burying bodies in the gardens of Chequers for some....ok I exaggerate, but many genuinely pushed this conspiracy that the government were hiding deaths from COVID, when actually they were doing the opposite, and over counting.Leon said:It’s not just us that have noticed this *thing*
‘When are we going to get a longread on the social media radicalisation of FBPE people? It's very sad to watch’
‘ > often educated professionals
> 10k follows
> 11k followers
> Bio an alphabet soup of acronyms
> Can't watch the football because they think they live in a Hitlerite regime
They haven't quite got to paedo-deep-state conspiracy but the distinction with Qboomers isn't massive!’
https://twitter.com/eggrollshogun/status/1413129834356563972?s=212 -
Yes it is unfair.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is it unfair to suggest David Cameron used the expenses scandal to get rid of a lot of bed blockers or just MPs who weren't fully onboard with hugging hoodies?TheScreamingEagles said:
When Dave became leader he made a conscious effort to get older MPs to stand down at the 2010 and 2015 GEs.Sandpit said:
Eric Forth (Bromley and Chislehurst) was I think the last Conservative MP death, in 2006.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?
It’s a combination of MPs getting younger, retiring rather than staying in office into old age, and the huge swings seen in 1997, 2010, 2015 in Scotland, and to some extent 2019, that cleared out large numbers of MPs.
For the large part it worked.
He was gutted to lose people like Andrew Mackay.
Ultimately Dave realised you cannot talk about implementing austerity whilst your own MPs are taking the piss with expenses.2 -
Some sites are fine. Others seem to be the source of all fly tipping within a 10 mile radius (amongst other things).RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/
Sadly the reaction may be based on experience, even if it is stereotyping.2 -
Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637
And growing evidence that the AZN issue is to do with user error.
AZN is slower acting and not quite as good as Pfizer / Moderna (but from link I posted down below not that far off), but the likes of South Africa totally stopped using it because of the "fake news" from Europe.
How many 1000s of extra deaths as quasi-effective Macron / Germany FT only 5% effective (or whatever horseshit number it was) caused?
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South Africa has administered at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccine to around 6% of its population and the percentage of the fully vaccinated population is just over 2%.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/devastating-south-africa-buckles-under-covid-19-wave-driven-by-delta-variant-101625837321458.html0 -
Big shout out to the Lions for going out to South Africa right now.FrancisUrquhart said:Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637
And growing evidence that the AZN issue is to do with user error.
AZN is slower acting and not quite as good as Pfizer / Moderna (but from link I posted down below not that far off), but the likes of South Africa totally stopped using it because of the "fake news" from Europe.
How many 1000s of extra deaths as quasi-effective Macron / Germany FT only 5% effective (or whatever horseshit number it was) caused?
-------
South Africa has administered at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccine to around 6% of its population and the percentage of the fully vaccinated population is just over 2%.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/devastating-south-africa-buckles-under-covid-19-wave-driven-by-delta-variant-101625837321458.html0 -
I used to work in a shop growing up and there were seven (large) families from the local traveller site that would visit. Of those, members of six of the seven would be guaranteed to attempt shoplifting if they were not being directly watched by a retail assistant. One we found we could trust. It is very hard to not develop prejudicial views with those sort of ratios.Flatlander said:
Some sites are fine. Others seem to be the source of all fly tipping within a 10 mile radius (amongst other things).RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/2 -
It isn't. And when it comes to calling out that sort of prejudice, left icon Owen Jones - quite literally - wrote the book.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not limited to the left.MrEd said:
Almost as acceptable as racism against "chavvy" WWC which you see from many on the left.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/0 -
It is Pride month. 😇TheScreamingEagles said:
It came from a female friend.OldKingCole said:
Afternoon All!TheScreamingEagles said:This may be of interest to someone:
A friend has 2 tickets in a corporate box for the England v Italy game on Sunday. He paid £3000 each, but he didn't realise when he bought them months ago that it was going to be the same day as his wedding! If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...
It's at Leeds Registry Office, at 4pm. Her name is Sharon -- she's 5'4", about 8 stone, quite pretty, has her own income and is a really good cook!
That’s fairly elderly, Mr E; bit sexist, too, the bit about cooking!0 -
I think you are an excellent ambassador for the sort of mentality that would run an independent Scotland. All Scots voters should use your sort of example when voting in the next referendum.malcolmg said:
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
The behaviour of some of our European neighbours, not friends, regarding AZ has been almost as bad as some of the mad stuff Trump came out with about covid. The have blood on their hands.FrancisUrquhart said:Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637
And growing evidence that the AZN issue is to do with user error.
AZN is slower acting and not quite as good as Pfizer / Moderna (but from link I posted down below not that far off), but the likes of South Africa totally stopped using it because of the "fake news" from Europe.
How many 1000s of extra deaths as quasi-effective Macron / Germany FT only 5% effective (or whatever horseshit number it was) caused?
-------
South Africa has administered at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccine to around 6% of its population and the percentage of the fully vaccinated population is just over 2%.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/devastating-south-africa-buckles-under-covid-19-wave-driven-by-delta-variant-101625837321458.html2 -
I never for a minute thought they would get 12 MSP's, so mince.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, 12 Alba MSPs was a fantasy, as anyone with half a brain cell realised when they saw Salmond's approval ratings.malcolmg said:
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
It's a problem, and those who deny it is a problem don't help.Aslan said:
I used to work in a shop growing up and there were seven (large) families from the local traveller site that would visit. Of those, members of six of the seven would be guaranteed to attempt shoplifting if they were not being directly watched by a retail assistant. One we found we could trust. It is very hard to not develop prejudicial views with those sort of ratios.Flatlander said:
Some sites are fine. Others seem to be the source of all fly tipping within a 10 mile radius (amongst other things).RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/
Especially since it's a cultural issue not a racial one. You can't look at someone's skin colour and think that.0 -
Not just the EU, lots of other countries have not used AZN including the USA.glw said:
The behaviour of some of our European neighbours, not friends, regarding AZ has been almost as bad as some of the mad stuff Trump came out with about covid. The have blood on their hands.FrancisUrquhart said:Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637
And growing evidence that the AZN issue is to do with user error.
AZN is slower acting and not quite as good as Pfizer / Moderna (but from link I posted down below not that far off), but the likes of South Africa totally stopped using it because of the "fake news" from Europe.
How many 1000s of extra deaths as quasi-effective Macron / Germany FT only 5% effective (or whatever horseshit number it was) caused?
-------
South Africa has administered at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccine to around 6% of its population and the percentage of the fully vaccinated population is just over 2%.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/devastating-south-africa-buckles-under-covid-19-wave-driven-by-delta-variant-101625837321458.html0 -
Yes but they weren't having politicians leak to the media bullshit efficacy numbers and leaders claiming it was quasi-effective. They had plentiful supplies of Moderna and Pfizer.Foxy said:
Not just the EU, lots of other countries have not used AZN including the USA.glw said:
The behaviour of some of our European neighbours, not friends, regarding AZ has been almost as bad as some of the mad stuff Trump came out with about covid. The have blood on their hands.FrancisUrquhart said:Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637
And growing evidence that the AZN issue is to do with user error.
AZN is slower acting and not quite as good as Pfizer / Moderna (but from link I posted down below not that far off), but the likes of South Africa totally stopped using it because of the "fake news" from Europe.
How many 1000s of extra deaths as quasi-effective Macron / Germany FT only 5% effective (or whatever horseshit number it was) caused?
-------
South Africa has administered at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccine to around 6% of its population and the percentage of the fully vaccinated population is just over 2%.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/devastating-south-africa-buckles-under-covid-19-wave-driven-by-delta-variant-101625837321458.html3 -
Wasn't it you at the beginning of the tournament dissing the England team, and clutching at your pearls over taking the knee?Leon said:It’s not just us that have noticed this *thing*
‘When are we going to get a longread on the social media radicalisation of FBPE people? It's very sad to watch’
‘ > often educated professionals
> 10k follows
> 11k followers
> Bio an alphabet soup of acronyms
> Can't watch the football because they think they live in a Hitlerite regime
They haven't quite got to paedo-deep-state conspiracy but the distinction with Qboomers isn't massive!’
https://twitter.com/eggrollshogun/status/1413129834356563972?s=213 -
Labour politics in Ashfield were toxic - largely thanks to the antics of your Corbynite friends - which was why Gloria stood down.NickPalmer said:
Gloria's decision to stand down was I suspect partly because she expected a real mudfest if she stood and he came out with whatever he could think of about things she'd said at odd moments over the years - wouldn't need to be anything dreadful, but the most casual remark can be twisted. And I expect the Tories picked him with just that advantage in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
The politics of the seat (which was next to Broxtowe and shared two wards with the borough) were always horrible - I knew Labour, LibDem and Tory councillors, and early in any conversation they would all rant about their colleagues and their opponents as if they really hated each other. Geoff Hoon was the unlikely previous MP - a smooth posh intellectual in a seat that in part makes Hartlepool look like Chelsea.1 -
Well you kinda did, you said they would get 12-14% minimum on the list, which would have meant around a dozen seats for them.malcolmg said:
I never for a minute thought they would get 12 MSP's, so mince.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, 12 Alba MSPs was a fantasy, as anyone with half a brain cell realised when they saw Salmond's approval ratings.malcolmg said:
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
Leonardo Bonucci believes that playing the Euro 2020 final against England at Wembley will give Italy extra motivation and has said they are not afraid of facing Gareth Southgate’s side there.
The Juventus defender was part of the Italy team that lost 4-0 in the final of Euro 2012 against Spain and will pick up his 109th cap on Sunday. He refused to concede that England had an advantage for the final even though they will be on home turf and a limited number of Italy supporters, including president Sergio Mattarella, are expected to be in attendance.
“We are looking forward to going to Wembley on Sunday, even though there will be a mostly English crowd,” Bonucci said. “Being there will be additional motivation for us – we want to achieve something historic and we will do everything we can to play a great match. We will play at their home but we are not afraid of that.”0 -
Cheryl Gillam would have retired in 2019 if her husband hadn't died - that was the reason she stayed as an MPTheScreamingEagles said:
When Dave became leader he made a conscious effort to get older MPs to stand down at the 2010 and 2015 GEs.Sandpit said:
Eric Forth (Bromley and Chislehurst) was I think the last Conservative MP death, in 2006.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?
It’s a combination of MPs getting younger, retiring rather than staying in office into old age, and the huge swings seen in 1997, 2010, 2015 in Scotland, and to some extent 2019, that cleared out large numbers of MPs.
For the large part it worked.0 -
I reckon that's the reason why Ken Clarke didn't stand down in 2017, death of a spouse makes you stick with the familiar.eek said:
Cheryl Gillam would have retired in 2019 if her husband hadn't died - that was the reason she stayed as an MPTheScreamingEagles said:
When Dave became leader he made a conscious effort to get older MPs to stand down at the 2010 and 2015 GEs.Sandpit said:
Eric Forth (Bromley and Chislehurst) was I think the last Conservative MP death, in 2006.dixiedean said:
I think it is also, partially, the cull of 1997. The Tories had very few MP's before 2005. Labour's tend, therefore to be older.LostPassword said:I think the most notable thing about this is that, as discussed on here previously, the Conservatives have been a lot more proactive, or a lot more successful, at moving on MPs who are at risk of triggering by-elections. We can imagine that if there had been as many by-elections in Conservative-held seats as Labour-held seats in the last few years then, sure, the Tories might have held one of them, but they could also have lost a fair few, and we see how that can have an effect on a leader's prospects with the importance of the recent by-elections to Starmer.
Indeed, since 2010, there have been 26 by-elections in Labour-held seats and only 9 by-elections in Conservative-held seats - despite their being more Conservative MPs than Labour MPs for all of that period. In the 9 by-elections the Tory record is 3 holds, 3 losses to Lib Dems, 2 losses to UKIP and 1 loss to Labour.
Imagine scaling up that by-election record in defences to the same rate of by-elections as in Labour-held seats, and it's easy to see how important this strategy of avoiding by-elections has been to avoiding a narrative of weakness and defeat from being built around the Conservatives.
Wasn't Cheryl Gillan the first Tory MP to die in post for a long time?
It’s a combination of MPs getting younger, retiring rather than staying in office into old age, and the huge swings seen in 1997, 2010, 2015 in Scotland, and to some extent 2019, that cleared out large numbers of MPs.
For the large part it worked.
Although being an MP for 50 years was also in sight for him.0 -
Yup, a pound shop Laurence Fox.Foxy said:
Wasn't it you at the beginning of the tournament dissing the England team, and clutching at your pearls over taking the knee?Leon said:It’s not just us that have noticed this *thing*
‘When are we going to get a longread on the social media radicalisation of FBPE people? It's very sad to watch’
‘ > often educated professionals
> 10k follows
> 11k followers
> Bio an alphabet soup of acronyms
> Can't watch the football because they think they live in a Hitlerite regime
They haven't quite got to paedo-deep-state conspiracy but the distinction with Qboomers isn't massive!’
https://twitter.com/eggrollshogun/status/1413129834356563972?s=210 -
Meanwhile, from the pages of Viz... https://external-preview.redd.it/LIvTpL6qteIJklNiOhxiiTzM6PLGFmySBd_QymwvnKc.png?auto=webp&s=deb5c7222029085df7964df9c6ec25acf58c2630Philip_Thompson said:
It's a problem, and those who deny it is a problem don't help.Aslan said:
I used to work in a shop growing up and there were seven (large) families from the local traveller site that would visit. Of those, members of six of the seven would be guaranteed to attempt shoplifting if they were not being directly watched by a retail assistant. One we found we could trust. It is very hard to not develop prejudicial views with those sort of ratios.Flatlander said:
Some sites are fine. Others seem to be the source of all fly tipping within a 10 mile radius (amongst other things).RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/
Especially since it's a cultural issue not a racial one. You can't look at someone's skin colour and think that.0 -
Don’t disagree in general but I don’t think the EU had anything to do with South Africa ditching AZ. It came purely on the back of a preliminary report suggesting it didn’t work against the SA variant. By the time better studies came along they’d given it all away.glw said:
The behaviour of some of our European neighbours, not friends, regarding AZ has been almost as bad as some of the mad stuff Trump came out with about covid. The have blood on their hands.FrancisUrquhart said:Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637
And growing evidence that the AZN issue is to do with user error.
AZN is slower acting and not quite as good as Pfizer / Moderna (but from link I posted down below not that far off), but the likes of South Africa totally stopped using it because of the "fake news" from Europe.
How many 1000s of extra deaths as quasi-effective Macron / Germany FT only 5% effective (or whatever horseshit number it was) caused?
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South Africa has administered at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccine to around 6% of its population and the percentage of the fully vaccinated population is just over 2%.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/devastating-south-africa-buckles-under-covid-19-wave-driven-by-delta-variant-101625837321458.html
NZ (as another example) also are very slow as a result to ditch the initial plans to use AZ in favour of Pfizer. Not as extreme reason as SA but that was also on the basis of a belief that it wasn’t quite as good as Pfizer, and they could “afford to wait” for the best.1 -
"Majority for Independence, and ALBA will get seats." - malcolmg, 29 April.malcolmg said:
I never for a minute thought they would get 12 MSP's, so mince.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, 12 Alba MSPs was a fantasy, as anyone with half a brain cell realised when they saw Salmond's approval ratings.malcolmg said:
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.
"I see first reasonable poll has ALBA on 6 seats, watch that climb over next month. " - malcolmg, 4 April.
Best I can do with this search function: any advance on 6+?0 -
Evening Malc. Trust the health situation is still improvingmalcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
I've gotChelyabinsk said:
"Majority for Independence, and ALBA will get seats." - malcolmg, 29 April.malcolmg said:
I never for a minute thought they would get 12 MSP's, so mince.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, 12 Alba MSPs was a fantasy, as anyone with half a brain cell realised when they saw Salmond's approval ratings.malcolmg said:
Your arse I am never abusive to anyone, fact that you are jessie boys who cry if you are not being praised for your mince does not make it abusive. Stick to your fantasies.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite Scotch expert was you when you predicted over a dozen seats for Alba and was abusive to anyone who said otherwise.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.
"I see first reasonable poll has ALBA on 6 seats, watch that climb over next month. " - malcolmg, 4 April.
Best I can do with this search function: any advance on 6+?
'Numpty , I would expect about 12%-14% minimum , mainly SNP but some Labour as well.'
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3327078#Comment_3327078
And
They will get 6 seats with just under 6% and only 1 of those is SNP , so even at that it is a big benefit.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3327069#Comment_3327069
FYI when you put Alba in at 12% it was 13 seats for Alba in the seat predictors.0
