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CarlottaVance said:

Few weeks ago we saw UK as an outlier re cases.

Now delta has taken hold in Europe, the growth looks similar if not steeper than UK has experienced.

I’m sure this will be shared widely by those sharing the previous one too.


https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1412517834706591745?s=20

bigjohnowls said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

To qualify (via penalties):-

Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06

Not really clear what that is based on.

Going first is an advantage?

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

squareroot2 said:

What are the odds on a pro Govt or should I say not anti Govt thread appearing?

dixiedean said:

How cool was that last pen?

MarqueeMark said:

(As once sung by Forest fans:)

Put the champagne on ice
We're going to Wembley twice.....

Foxy said:

alex_ said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

Which is a fairly good reason why the Taliban wouldn't do that...

I think they would. No way will anyone invade again.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Profitable night.

My laying of Spain for the tournament was never in doubt.

Thank you Italy.

Black_Rook said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

No. More likely (1) Biden tries and fails to use diplomacy and sanctions; (2) second-term Trump erases the cities of Afghanistan with nuclear weapons at a rate of one per week, until whatever's left of the Taliban chooses to adopt a more cooperative attitude.

Andy_JS said:

Maybe it's time for the football equivalent of the Duckworth-Lewis method in cricket, which would calculate which team had played the best and most positive football using a variety of objective measures such as amount of possession in the opposition half, yellow/red cards, shots on goal, etc. Each team's score could be displayed on the screen throughout the match so that everyone would know which team would win if the match ended in a draw after extra time.

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

alex_ said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

Which is a fairly good reason why the Taliban wouldn't do that...

I think they would. No way will anyone invade again.

Wrong, we would have to invade again if the Taliban harboured Al Qaeda again or risk 9/11 2.

There would be no alternative and the US military and establishment would ensure they did.

Personally I would keep a US and NATO military presence in Afghanistan indefinitely

solarflare said:

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

bigjohnowls said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

To qualify (via penalties):-

Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06

Not really clear what that is based on.

Going first is an advantage?

Statistically, yes.

I witnessed an ABBA shootout at the Community Shield a few years ago and that was a much fairer way of doing it. Not sure why it didn’t become the default.

The world is still to come round to my way of thinking of playing the penalty shootout before extra time, so that the team that lost it know they have to win the game in extra time - draw isn't enough for the losers of the penalties.

The extra incentive to throw people at it and then the chance of them being hit on the counter would make extra time an event as opposed to a (9 time out of 10) petering out of the game.

It probably wouldn't work, but let's try it anyway!

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

alex_ said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

Which is a fairly good reason why the Taliban wouldn't do that...

I think they would. No way will anyone invade again.

Wrong, we would have to invade again if the Taliban harboured Al Qaeda again or risk 9/11 2.

There would be no alternative and the US military and establishment would ensure they did.

Personally I would keep a US and NATO military presence in Afghanistan indefinitely

Can that really be the answer? It's certainly depressing what the situation is there 20 years on, but permanent occupation?

If the Taliban are smart they'll be very careful to not give succour to anyone interested in events beyond Afghanistan itself, since the world isn't going to care what happens internally.

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

bigjohnowls said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

To qualify (via penalties):-

Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06

Not really clear what that is based on.

Going first is an advantage?

Statistically, yes.

I witnessed an ABBA shootout at the Community Shield a few years ago and that was a much fairer way of doing it. Not sure why it didn’t become the default.

HYUFD said:

Black_Rook said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

No. More likely (1) Biden tries and fails to use diplomacy and sanctions; (2) second-term Trump erases the cities of Afghanistan with nuclear weapons at a rate of one per week, until whatever's left of the Taliban chooses to adopt a more cooperative attitude.

Though that scenario still sees Trump return to win the 2024 presidential election and claim a delayed second term

Foxy said:

Black_Rook said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

No. More likely (1) Biden tries and fails to use diplomacy and sanctions; (2) second-term Trump erases the cities of Afghanistan with nuclear weapons at a rate of one per week, until whatever's left of the Taliban chooses to adopt a more cooperative attitude.

No, Trump is not interested in foreign wars. He would stay out. Indeed it was the one positive from his Presidency.

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

alex_ said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.

Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.

One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20

Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway

Which is a fairly good reason why the Taliban wouldn't do that...

I think they would. No way will anyone invade again.

Wrong, we would have to invade again if the Taliban harboured Al Qaeda again or risk 9/11 2.

There would be no alternative and the US military and establishment would ensure they did.

Personally I would keep a US and NATO military presence in Afghanistan indefinitely

Can that really be the answer? It's certainly depressing what the situation is there 20 years on, but permanent occupation?

If the Taliban are smart they'll be very careful to not give succour to anyone interested in events beyond Afghanistan itself, since the world isn't going to care what happens internally.

If we have to keep troops in Afghanistan for 100 years so be it.

It is better than Al Qaeda and ISIS coming back and using it as a base to relaunch terrorist attacks on the West

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

Nunu3 said:

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

Surely they are not putting troops in Afghanistan?

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

Benpointer said:

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

You omitted the British Empire's failure in Afghanistan in the 19th century.

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

Andy_JS said:

Maybe it's time for the football equivalent of the Duckworth-Lewis method in cricket, which would calculate which team had played the best and most positive football using a variety of objective measures such as amount of possession in the opposition half, yellow/red cards, shots on goal, etc. Each team's score could be displayed on the screen throughout the match so that everyone would know which team would win if the match ended in a draw after extra time.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bloody hell, this government is terrible, first they ban foie gras now they banning boiling lobsters alive. Talk about woke shit about lobsters feeling pain.

EXC: Boiling lobsters alive will be banned as ministers prepare to back an amendment to recognise they can feel pain

Crabs, squid and octopus and cuttlefish are among the non-vertebrates set to be recognised as sentient under the plans

https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1412526422246240258

PS - Do you know how difficult it is for a good Muslim boy to find halal foie gras?

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bloody hell, this government is terrible, first they ban foie gras now they banning boiling lobsters alive. Talk about woke shit about lobsters feeling pain.

EXC: Boiling lobsters alive will be banned as ministers prepare to back an amendment to recognise they can feel pain

Crabs, squid and octopus and cuttlefish are among the non-vertebrates set to be recognised as sentient under the plans

https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1412526422246240258

PS - Do you know how difficult it is for a good Muslim boy to find halal foie gras?

Foie gras is going, isn’t it? I will miss it. I know it’s cruel and all that but wow it can be delicious

alex_ said:

Foxy said:

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

No, China doesn't do colonies. What it does is the mirror of European extraterritoriality in China in the century 1842-1943. Economic rather than political control.

Nor did America.

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

You omitted the British Empire's failure in Afghanistan in the 19th century.

That was only a game.

alex_ said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

You omitted the British Empire's failure in Afghanistan in the 19th century.

That was only a game.

I’ve heard quite a good one as well.

geoffw said:

alex_ said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

SandyRentool said:

Russia failed in Afghanistan.

The west failed in Afghanistan.

Surely it is China's turn to be humiliated there?

You omitted the British Empire's failure in Afghanistan in the 19th century.

That was only a game.

I’ve heard quite a good one as well.

It was a Great Game.

FrancisUrquhart said:

CarlottaVance said:

Few weeks ago we saw UK as an outlier re cases.

Now delta has taken hold in Europe, the growth looks similar if not steeper than UK has experienced.

I’m sure this will be shared widely by those sharing the previous one too.


https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1412517834706591745?s=20

Its a good job half of Europe won't be heading to the likes of Spain, Portugal and Greece for their summer holidays....

Anabobazina said:

alex_ said:

Anabobazina said:

tlg86 said:

solarflare said:

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

bigjohnowls said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

To qualify (via penalties):-

Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06

Not really clear what that is based on.

Going first is an advantage?

Statistically, yes.

I witnessed an ABBA shootout at the Community Shield a few years ago and that was a much fairer way of doing it. Not sure why it didn’t become the default.

The world is still to come round to my way of thinking of playing the penalty shootout before extra time, so that the team that lost it know they have to win the game in extra time - draw isn't enough for the losers of the penalties.

The extra incentive to throw people at it and then the chance of them being hit on the counter would make extra time an event as opposed to a (9 time out of 10) petering out of the game.

It probably wouldn't work, but let's try it anyway!

Yes, I’ve advocated this for a long time.

If we must persist with shootouts, this seems a great idea to me. I’m amazed I’ve not seen it seriously suggested before.

Because it’s not a good idea. Not much wrong with shootouts anyway - a real test of skill under pressure.

Well they decide a match based on an extremely narrow facet of the game - they are far from ideal as a tiebreaker.

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, President Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the final Vietnam withdrawal in 1975 and the fall of Saigon.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

Of course, the fact that the previous President and Vice-President had been forced out of their positions for *different* bits of corruption had absolutely nothing to do with the Republican's defeat in 1976.

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, President Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the final Vietnam withdrawal in 1975 and the fall of Saigon.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

Of course, the fact that the previous President and Vice-President had been forced out of their positions for *different* bits of corruption had absolutely nothing to do with the Republican's defeat in 1976.

Anabobazina said:

alex_ said:

Anabobazina said:

tlg86 said:

solarflare said:

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

bigjohnowls said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

To qualify (via penalties):-

Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06

Not really clear what that is based on.

Going first is an advantage?

Statistically, yes.

I witnessed an ABBA shootout at the Community Shield a few years ago and that was a much fairer way of doing it. Not sure why it didn’t become the default.

The world is still to come round to my way of thinking of playing the penalty shootout before extra time, so that the team that lost it know they have to win the game in extra time - draw isn't enough for the losers of the penalties.

The extra incentive to throw people at it and then the chance of them being hit on the counter would make extra time an event as opposed to a (9 time out of 10) petering out of the game.

It probably wouldn't work, but let's try it anyway!

Yes, I’ve advocated this for a long time.

If we must persist with shootouts, this seems a great idea to me. I’m amazed I’ve not seen it seriously suggested before.

Because it’s not a good idea. Not much wrong with shootouts anyway - a real test of skill under pressure.

Well they decide a match based on an extremely narrow facet of the game - they are far from ideal as a tiebreaker.

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, President Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the final Vietnam withdrawal in 1975 and the fall of Saigon.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

Of course, the fact that the previous President and Vice-President had been forced out of their positions for *different* bits of corruption had absolutely nothing to do with the Republican's defeat in 1976.

Ford was not Nixon and had relatively high approval ratings initially which collapsed by the fall of Saigon.

In 1974 for example Ford's approval was at 71% despite Watergate, which had plummeted to 40% by April 1975 and the fall of Saigon

https://news.gallup.com/poll/23995/gerald-ford-retrospective.aspx

dixiedean said:

Andy_JS said:

Maybe it's time for the football equivalent of the Duckworth-Lewis method in cricket, which would calculate which team had played the best and most positive football using a variety of objective measures such as amount of possession in the opposition half, yellow/red cards, shots on goal, etc. Each team's score could be displayed on the screen throughout the match so that everyone would know which team would win if the match ended in a draw after extra time.

At Junior School we decided house and class football draws by number of corners.

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

alex_ said:

Malmesbury said:

IshmaelZ said:

Malmesbury said:

williamglenn said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.

Back to the statues.

So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?

Where this did come from - Donald Trump?

real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?

And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.

Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.

Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....

On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.

The world isn't very interested.

If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, President Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the final Vietnam withdrawal in 1975 and the fall of Saigon.

However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.

Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out

Of course, the fact that the previous President and Vice-President had been forced out of their positions for *different* bits of corruption had absolutely nothing to do with the Republican's defeat in 1976.

Ford was not Nixon and had relatively high approval ratings initially which collapsed by the fall of Saigon.

In 1974 for example Ford's approval was at 71% despite Watergate, which had plummeted to 40% by April 1975 and the fall of Saigon

https://news.gallup.com/poll/23995/gerald-ford-retrospective.aspx

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Anabobazina said:

alex_ said:

Anabobazina said:

tlg86 said:

solarflare said:

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

bigjohnowls said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

To qualify (via penalties):-

Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06

Not really clear what that is based on.

Going first is an advantage?

Statistically, yes.

I witnessed an ABBA shootout at the Community Shield a few years ago and that was a much fairer way of doing it. Not sure why it didn’t become the default.

The world is still to come round to my way of thinking of playing the penalty shootout before extra time, so that the team that lost it know they have to win the game in extra time - draw isn't enough for the losers of the penalties.

The extra incentive to throw people at it and then the chance of them being hit on the counter would make extra time an event as opposed to a (9 time out of 10) petering out of the game.

It probably wouldn't work, but let's try it anyway!

Yes, I’ve advocated this for a long time.

If we must persist with shootouts, this seems a great idea to me. I’m amazed I’ve not seen it seriously suggested before.

Because it’s not a good idea. Not much wrong with shootouts anyway - a real test of skill under pressure.

Well they decide a match based on an extremely narrow facet of the game - they are far from ideal as a tiebreaker.

A golden goal after the 30 minutes of extra time please.

Too long. Ten minutes of extra time, then golden goal, but take off a player from each side every five minutes