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Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives

20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

1. The case rate rises that have already happened haven't resulted in a corresponding sharp and continuous rise in hospitalisations
2. Her Long Covid claim looks suspiciously like something made up on the spot to frighten people

Even in her thread is a number very different from 20-30%. It says 1 in 20 may have at least one long lasting symptom. I make that 5% but then I’m not on iSAGE...

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives

20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

1. The case rate rises that have already happened haven't resulted in a corresponding sharp and continuous rise in hospitalisations
2. Her Long Covid claim looks suspiciously like something made up on the spot to frighten people

But it depends what she means by long Covid. It seems to cover many conditions from a slightly longer recovery to the situation poor Derek Draper ended up,in.

Malmesbury said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
·
12m
Leeds Hyde Park rave 'blatant' Covid rule breach.

*But if you do it while drinking Pimm's at Wimbledon, then it's absolutely fine. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Is she really that dense?

I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that one!

Here's the entry requirements for Wimbledon.

Upon entry to the Grounds, all Ticket Holders (age 11 and over) shall be required to show certification of a (i) negative COVID-19 lateral flow test result (taken in the 48 hours prior to attending The Championships) from a UK Government-approved test provider (either via a home kit or via a test centre), with certification shown via email or text or (ii) a double COVID-19 vaccination received at least 2 weeks prior to attending the Grounds, which Ticket Holders shall be required to show (a) via the NHS App for Ticket Holders in England or (b) via the approved certification routes for Ticket Holders from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. All other Ticket Holders will be required to undertake a COVID-19 lateral flow test and provide proof of a negative result in order to gain entry.

Now can somebody show me the entry requirements for the Hyde Park rave?

No entry without at least six cans of lager and your own spliff?

Your own spliff? That would upset the bouncers and the drugs dealers. Who would be the same people, actually.

To be honest I am too old to remember what precisely goes on. And I was at Leeds uni.

HYUFD said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

Very sobering and worrying story from Marr concerning the catching of Delta after being double jagged.

It did help ensure he avoided being hospitalised however.

The vaccinations don't prevent you catching Covid, it will likely always be with us now like flu and the common cold, however the vaccines do minimise your risk of being hospitalised by it or dying from it

Exactly right and when you consider Mr Marr has suffered heart conditions and a stroke it is even better News on vaccine effectivity in reducing hospitalisation.

Decent game of football, this

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MaxPB said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives




20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

It's literally all lies and takes no account of vaccines reducing severity of infection.

It does seem some want to destroy the country's economy completely

The Conservatives?

No - the zero covid zealots

rottenborough said:

MaxPB said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives




20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

It's literally all lies and takes no account of vaccines reducing severity of infection.

Is it just me but I detect that in last few days the zero-covid types have switched to going on about long covid?

Me thinks that with hospital numbers under control they are looking for a new front to keep the restrictions in place through summer and into an autumn lockdown.

Sure seems that way.

Taz said:

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives

20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

1. The case rate rises that have already happened haven't resulted in a corresponding sharp and continuous rise in hospitalisations
2. Her Long Covid claim looks suspiciously like something made up on the spot to frighten people

But it depends what she means by long Covid. It seems to cover many conditions from a slightly longer recovery to the situation poor Derek Draper ended up,in.

I know a couple of people with it. 100% caused by Cov-SARS-2 being a novel virus. Post vax if you catch it, it ain't novel.

MaxPB said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

Very sobering and worrying story from Marr concerning the catching of Delta after being double jagged.

Not worrying at all....he was unlucky to have caught it, was ill for a week, got better.... that's the vaccine working.

And remember his age plus previous health conditions, he is more vulnerable.

It does show that a certain proportion of us oldies will end up in the hospital being vented,

Not a huge number, Marr has got a heart condition so is already at risk and he's also over 60. That he's just had a "summer cold" is a brilliant result from a disease that was hospitalising around 40% of people in his category and killing off around 10% of people in his category.

It's a huge vindication of the vaccine and more evidence that everyone who is eligible should get it.

I believe PHE released new figures for each age group CFR when vaccinated. Overall it is down to 0.085%, but absolutely massive reductions in particular of over 50s...we know for when you got to 70s and 80s it was a scary percentage, it down to minute % now. I am sure somebody can pull out the data sheet.

MaxPB said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

Very sobering and worrying story from Marr concerning the catching of Delta after being double jagged.

Not worrying at all....he was unlucky to have caught it, was ill for a week, got better.... that's the vaccine working.

And remember his age plus previous health conditions, he is more vulnerable.

It does show that a certain proportion of us oldies will end up in the hospital being vented,

Not a huge number, Marr has got a heart condition so is already at risk and he's also over 60. That he's just had a "summer cold" is a brilliant result from a disease that was hospitalising around 40% of people in his category and killing off around 10% of people in his category.

It's a huge vindication of the vaccine and more evidence that everyone who is eligible should get it.

I totally agree with the last statement, I was just mentioning that perhaps we arn't all fireproof even after being double jabbed!

Daveyboy1961 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

Very sobering and worrying story from Marr concerning the catching of Delta after being double jagged.

'Man in his 60s gets covid and is back at work in a few days, because he has been vaccinated'

Yes, is should 'sober up' some of the panic merchants, but it wont.

MaxPB said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

Very sobering and worrying story from Marr concerning the catching of Delta after being double jagged.

Not worrying at all....he was unlucky to have caught it, was ill for a week, got better.... that's the vaccine working.

And remember his age plus previous health conditions, he is more vulnerable.

It does show that a certain proportion of us oldies will end up in the hospital being vented,

Not a huge number, Marr has got a heart condition so is already at risk and he's also over 60. That he's just had a "summer cold" is a brilliant result from a disease that was hospitalising around 40% of people in his category and killing off around 10% of people in his category.

It's a huge vindication of the vaccine and more evidence that everyone who is eligible should get it.

He has a heart condition as well?! I only knew about the stroke and cancer.

Complaining that he still had a nasty cold from covid struck me as tone deaf and ungrateful. What more do you want mate!

3-1 Pogba!

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

I am guessing 3-1 France in 90 minutes.

I feel this is Xherdan Shaqiri's night.

Enter Exit Shaqiri

Moonshine

YouTube comes free but it’s in one place along with Sky Sports BT Sport and tons of other channels.

I just choose the channel I want to watch, it takes less than a second unlike faffing around with a computer.

Streaming is useful if you are on the move, otherwise watch it on telly.

What France have above pretty much every other team, you can see them scoring at least once every game.

LOL. Backed France at 3 in the second half. Cashed out at 1.15 about 10 seconds before Pogba's goal.

Across these two games combined this must be the day of the tournament overall.

Perhaps the conclusion of the group of death round of games comes close for drama, but today's games have been quality.

isam said:

Dear me, that is outrageous too from Pogba

What a great player, I can’t understand the criticism he gets

Tyldesley & McCoist the perfect commentary team

Because Pogba doesn't do it often enough...with a feeling he chooses when he fancies it, when everybody knows he has incredible talent.

I understand he is also totally inflexible, he refuses to play anyway other than his role for France. If Man Utd ask him to adjust his role, he takes his bat and ball home.

isam said:

Dear me, that is outrageous too from Pogba

What a great player, I can’t understand the criticism he gets

Tyldesley & McCoist the perfect commentary team

Supremely talented but very Mercurial as a player.

You never know what you are going to get from him from game to game. Which seems to happen more frequently at club level.

Imagine what a dramatic half this would have been had Switzerland scored their penalty.

3-2!

Pogba’s just too flashy, too bling for some people. What’s with the silly hairdo and clobber?

DecrepiterJohnL said:

LOL. Backed France at 3 in the second half. Cashed out at 1.15 about 10 seconds before Pogba's goal.

Otoh after the Swiss goal to make it 3-2, France are back out to 1.16.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have we discussed this?

The police officer convicted of the manslaughter of Dalian Atkinson had been previously found by a police disciplinary hearing to have committed gross misconduct but was allowed to remain an officer and given a stun gun, it has been revealed.

PC Benjamin Monk was convicted of the manslaughter of Atkinson last week after firing a stun gun into him for 33 seconds, and then kicking him twice in the head after a clash in August 2016.

On Monday at Birmingham crown court a sentencing hearing was told that Monk had two criminal cautions for drunkenness and theft before he joined the police but that they had not been disclosed when he applied to be an officer.

The prosecutor, Alexandra Healy QC, told the court Monk had applied to join the police in 2001. He was cautioned for theft in 1997 while an employee at a Woolworths store. In 1999, Healy told the court, Monk was cautioned after he was found drunk. Neither was disclosed and Monk became an officer with the West Mercia force.

In 2010 Monk went through another vetting process, Healy told the court, and the criminal cautions were discovered by his bosses. Monk faced a police disciplinary hearing charged with gross misconduct, which can lead to dismissal. He was found guilty of the disciplinary charge, which amounted to “discreditable conduct”, Healy told the court.

Instead of being dismissed Monk was given a final written warning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/28/dalian-atkinson-killing-officer-was-kept-on-despite-gross-misconduct

Dear me, that is outrageous

I'm not convinced it is outrageous, if the bad stuff was years ago before he joined the police and was non-violent. What ought to concern us is giving tazers to all sorts of people without necessarily the same screening and training given to firearms officers.

Doesnt say much for his honesty though does it?
Not lying for personal gain ought to be some kind of baseline.
And, no, I am not concerned he had convictions.

MaxPB said:

Anabobazina said:

Pagel’s latest tweet is irresponsible in the extreme. She is a mathematician. How on Earth does she get away with this stuff?

She's a moron and gets signal boosted by people with Boris and Brexit derangement syndrome who are looking for any kind of idiot who is anti-government.

Having wasted some of my life a while back looking at her followers comments, it’s not hard to see why she does it. She is a hero to them. Quite a simply adulation for her fighting against the lies and evil from the government. It’s a heady mix.

Scott_xP said:

Oh. So here's one of the emails Boris' spokesperson said didn't exist. https://glplive.org/personal-email

Did Feldman have an official role at the time? If not then all you prove is that someone emailed Bethell on the wrong email address

isam said:

Pogba’s just too flashy, too bling for some people. What’s with the silly hairdo and clobber?

If you think Pogba clobber is too much....have you seen some of the photos of Haaland on his holidays? He appears to have been out and about in what looks like patterned silk PJs. Even too jazzy for Mr TSE.

moonshine said:

Anabobazina said:

Moonshine

YouTube comes free but it’s in one place along with Sky Sports BT Sport and tons of other channels.

I just choose the channel I want to watch, it takes less than a second unlike faffing around with a computer.

Streaming is useful if you are on the move, otherwise watch it on telly.

I have no idea what you mean by watching on a computer.

Also what are these “channels” things you speak of?

Oh, you see, you have the English Channel, then the Bristol Channel and also the St George's Channel...

Pulpstar said:

Taz said:

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives

20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

1. The case rate rises that have already happened haven't resulted in a corresponding sharp and continuous rise in hospitalisations
2. Her Long Covid claim looks suspiciously like something made up on the spot to frighten people

But it depends what she means by long Covid. It seems to cover many conditions from a slightly longer recovery to the situation poor Derek Draper ended up,in.

I know a couple of people with it. 100% caused by Cov-SARS-2 being a novel virus. Post vax if you catch it, it ain't novel.

Sorry, what does that mean to a layman. Novel and non novel ?

turbotubbs said:

MaxPB said:

Anabobazina said:

Pagel’s latest tweet is irresponsible in the extreme. She is a mathematician. How on Earth does she get away with this stuff?

She's a moron and gets signal boosted by people with Boris and Brexit derangement syndrome who are looking for any kind of idiot who is anti-government.

Having wasted some of my life a while back looking at her followers comments, it’s not hard to see why she does it. She is a hero to them. Quite a simply adulation for her fighting against the lies and evil from the government. It’s a heady mix.

I was shocked by that too: she has a followership that worship her. It’s weirdly cult-like.

turbotubbs said:

MaxPB said:

Anabobazina said:

Pagel’s latest tweet is irresponsible in the extreme. She is a mathematician. How on Earth does she get away with this stuff?

She's a moron and gets signal boosted by people with Boris and Brexit derangement syndrome who are looking for any kind of idiot who is anti-government.

Having wasted some of my life a while back looking at her followers comments, it’s not hard to see why she does it. She is a hero to them. Quite a simply adulation for her fighting against the lies and evil from the government. It’s a heady mix.

I bet her followers are largely either FBPE or piss diamonds.

GOOOOAAALLLL Switzerland!!!

Crikey

Lol.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have we discussed this?

The police officer convicted of the manslaughter of Dalian Atkinson had been previously found by a police disciplinary hearing to have committed gross misconduct but was allowed to remain an officer and given a stun gun, it has been revealed.

PC Benjamin Monk was convicted of the manslaughter of Atkinson last week after firing a stun gun into him for 33 seconds, and then kicking him twice in the head after a clash in August 2016.

On Monday at Birmingham crown court a sentencing hearing was told that Monk had two criminal cautions for drunkenness and theft before he joined the police but that they had not been disclosed when he applied to be an officer.

The prosecutor, Alexandra Healy QC, told the court Monk had applied to join the police in 2001. He was cautioned for theft in 1997 while an employee at a Woolworths store. In 1999, Healy told the court, Monk was cautioned after he was found drunk. Neither was disclosed and Monk became an officer with the West Mercia force.

In 2010 Monk went through another vetting process, Healy told the court, and the criminal cautions were discovered by his bosses. Monk faced a police disciplinary hearing charged with gross misconduct, which can lead to dismissal. He was found guilty of the disciplinary charge, which amounted to “discreditable conduct”, Healy told the court.

Instead of being dismissed Monk was given a final written warning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/28/dalian-atkinson-killing-officer-was-kept-on-despite-gross-misconduct

Presumably you think he was wrong to accept those cautions.

Black_Rook said:

Carnyx said:

Black_Rook said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Scott_xP said:

tlg86 said:

Flower of Scotland isn’t too bad.

It really is

Naah. Play it at a lively pace and put some umph into it. God Save the Queen can't be saved the same way without a rewrite

OK, in the spirit of recent Department for Education initiatives, I'll give it a try...

God Save One Britain!
Long Live One Nation!
Down with the Trots!

Praise for Her Majesty!
Praise for our Unity!
We're all One Family!
(Even the Scots.)

***Closes piano lid as quietly as possible, puts on coat, skulks out of back door***

Britain = Not including Ireland, N or otherwise.

More work needed.

Pedant.

Second verse:

God Save One Britain!
Long Live One Nation!
Let's all be cheery!

Wales, England, Scotland,
AND NORTHERN IRELAND,
We are all One Land,
At least in theory...

There. Happy now? Some people are never satisfied...

Does Northern Ireland have a land connection to GB?

Taz said:

Pulpstar said:

Taz said:

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives

20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

1. The case rate rises that have already happened haven't resulted in a corresponding sharp and continuous rise in hospitalisations
2. Her Long Covid claim looks suspiciously like something made up on the spot to frighten people

But it depends what she means by long Covid. It seems to cover many conditions from a slightly longer recovery to the situation poor Derek Draper ended up,in.

I know a couple of people with it. 100% caused by Cov-SARS-2 being a novel virus. Post vax if you catch it, it ain't novel.

Sorry, what does that mean to a layman. Novel and non novel ?

Vaccination shows the body the virus (well a bit of it), so when it encounters the real thing, it’s no longer a new (novel) infection, and has a head start in fighting it, usually with better results.

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have we discussed this?

The police officer convicted of the manslaughter of Dalian Atkinson had been previously found by a police disciplinary hearing to have committed gross misconduct but was allowed to remain an officer and given a stun gun, it has been revealed.

PC Benjamin Monk was convicted of the manslaughter of Atkinson last week after firing a stun gun into him for 33 seconds, and then kicking him twice in the head after a clash in August 2016.

On Monday at Birmingham crown court a sentencing hearing was told that Monk had two criminal cautions for drunkenness and theft before he joined the police but that they had not been disclosed when he applied to be an officer.

The prosecutor, Alexandra Healy QC, told the court Monk had applied to join the police in 2001. He was cautioned for theft in 1997 while an employee at a Woolworths store. In 1999, Healy told the court, Monk was cautioned after he was found drunk. Neither was disclosed and Monk became an officer with the West Mercia force.

In 2010 Monk went through another vetting process, Healy told the court, and the criminal cautions were discovered by his bosses. Monk faced a police disciplinary hearing charged with gross misconduct, which can lead to dismissal. He was found guilty of the disciplinary charge, which amounted to “discreditable conduct”, Healy told the court.

Instead of being dismissed Monk was given a final written warning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/28/dalian-atkinson-killing-officer-was-kept-on-despite-gross-misconduct

Presumably you think he was wrong to accept those cautions.

Quite, anyone dumb enough to accept a caution, let alone two, is too stupid to be a toilet cleaner let alone a rozzer.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Get rid of the round of the last 16...too boring....

UEFA must be loving it. They will claim total justification, was totally for footballing reasons and making a few extra quid as well.

It's certainly been better than the borefest five years ago.

But I'd still prefer more games between better teams rather than the lottery of the draw.

Charles said:

Black_Rook said:

Carnyx said:

Black_Rook said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Scott_xP said:

tlg86 said:

Flower of Scotland isn’t too bad.

It really is

Naah. Play it at a lively pace and put some umph into it. God Save the Queen can't be saved the same way without a rewrite

OK, in the spirit of recent Department for Education initiatives, I'll give it a try...

God Save One Britain!
Long Live One Nation!
Down with the Trots!

Praise for Her Majesty!
Praise for our Unity!
We're all One Family!
(Even the Scots.)

***Closes piano lid as quietly as possible, puts on coat, skulks out of back door***

Britain = Not including Ireland, N or otherwise.

More work needed.

Pedant.

Second verse:

God Save One Britain!
Long Live One Nation!
Let's all be cheery!

Wales, England, Scotland,
AND NORTHERN IRELAND,
We are all One Land,
At least in theory...

There. Happy now? Some people are never satisfied...

Does Northern Ireland have a land connection to GB?

It was a tribute to the stupid OBON song. And the rhyming just about works. OK?

Why can't people just appreciate bad art for what it is, rather than nitpick?

I'll cry if you lot aren't careful.

Jeesh crossbar for my bet.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Get rid of the round of the last 16...too boring....

UEFA must be loving it. They will claim total justification, was totally for footballing reasons and making a few extra quid as well.

Yup. Vindicated.

Well all the games not involving us are an absolute joy.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Black_Rook said:

Carnyx said:

Black_Rook said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Scott_xP said:

tlg86 said:

Flower of Scotland isn’t too bad.

It really is

Naah. Play it at a lively pace and put some umph into it. God Save the Queen can't be saved the same way without a rewrite

OK, in the spirit of recent Department for Education initiatives, I'll give it a try...

God Save One Britain!
Long Live One Nation!
Down with the Trots!

Praise for Her Majesty!
Praise for our Unity!
We're all One Family!
(Even the Scots.)

***Closes piano lid as quietly as possible, puts on coat, skulks out of back door***

Britain = Not including Ireland, N or otherwise.

More work needed.

Pedant.

Second verse:

God Save One Britain!
Long Live One Nation!
Let's all be cheery!

Wales, England, Scotland,
AND NORTHERN IRELAND,
We are all One Land,
At least in theory...

There. Happy now? Some people are never satisfied...

Pedantry was wrong. Britain = UK, as opposed to Great Britain. Mind you, it's not long since England was commonly used for the whole country.

It is a highly inflammatorty approximation in NI.

turbotubbs said:

Taz said:

Pulpstar said:

Taz said:

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
4h
But rapid recent increases have not yet fed through to hospitalisations - so hospitalisations will go up over next 2 wks.

Also, 20-30% of people infected will likely end up with long covid - with maybe 15% having it severely affect their daily lives

20-30% get Long Covid? Seriously? Where does that figure come from?

1. The case rate rises that have already happened haven't resulted in a corresponding sharp and continuous rise in hospitalisations
2. Her Long Covid claim looks suspiciously like something made up on the spot to frighten people

But it depends what she means by long Covid. It seems to cover many conditions from a slightly longer recovery to the situation poor Derek Draper ended up,in.

I know a couple of people with it. 100% caused by Cov-SARS-2 being a novel virus. Post vax if you catch it, it ain't novel.

Sorry, what does that mean to a layman. Novel and non novel ?

Vaccination shows the body the virus (well a bit of it), so when it encounters the real thing, it’s no longer a new (novel) infection, and has a head start in fighting it, usually with better results.

Cheers

MaxPB said:

Anabobazina said:

Pagel’s latest tweet is irresponsible in the extreme. She is a mathematician. How on Earth does she get away with this stuff?

She's a moron and gets signal boosted by people with Boris and Brexit derangement syndrome who are looking for any kind of idiot who is anti-government.

There are those who, for instance, have watched and read about Andrew Marr's experience and will feel even with two vaccinations they cannot risk contracting the virus.

Why - because they have pre-existing health conditions and other factors which mean they are scared if they catch covid they will need to go to hospital and fear they won't return. Quoting statistics at them doesn't help - we need a different approach .

How do you confront that kind of fear? Well, shouting at people and calling them names isn't going to help. Opening up and pretending everything can be "normal" may not be the answer either - we need a proper sensible adult conversation about the risks for the doubly vaccinated and especially the most vulnerable.

dixiedean said:

What a ball by Xhaka again.

He's certainly improved in the last five years.

isam said:

Pogba’s just too flashy, too bling for some people. What’s with the silly hairdo and clobber?

Quite

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8163515.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Jeremy-Corbyn-on-Channel-4s-The-Last-Leg.jpg

Black_Rook said:

Meanwhile, at Wimbledon, Murray finally gets over the finishing line.

3rd set collapse might ultimately help. Remind him of how it is - big time tennis.